--- Log opened Sat Dec 29 00:00:09 2012 --- Day changed Sat Dec 29 2012 00:00 -!- barriers [~syntrope@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:03 < saurik> CTO of twitpic responded to me: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4979472 00:14 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:29 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Quit: .] 01:27 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@29.sub-70-192-70.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:34 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@103.sub-70-192-67.myvzw.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:06 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:08 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:17 <@fenn> wow i didn't know lance armstrong and team were stripped of their tour de france medals 02:18 <@fenn> "led the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen" 02:24 <@fenn> holy crap "At his peak, he had a resting heart rate of 32–34 beats per minute (bpm) with a maximum heart rate of 201 bpm." 02:33 < strangewarp> I heard that the highest-placing cyclist confirmed not to be doping came in 24th, so stripping Armstrong of his medals was a pretty gutsy move - they've got to give them to that guy now, or else be hypocrites 02:39 < EnLilaSko> Everyone on that level use doping 02:39 < EnLilaSko> (pretty much) 02:43 <@fenn> "growth hormone, cortisone, EPO, steroids and testosterone" we've come a long way from eating bees 02:47 < chido> eating bees? was that ever a thing? 02:47 <@fenn> in ancient greece during the olympics 02:48 <@fenn> so is livestrong.com run by armstrong? 02:48 < strangewarp> My big sister's ex-husband used to eat bee-and-mayo sandwiches. I have no idea why 02:48 <@fenn> or is that just livestrong.org 02:59 <@fenn> i guess "run by" is giving him too much credit 03:08 < erasmus> if everyone is cheating then what do you do? 03:08 < erasmus> it's like all the cars on the highway around you are speeding, but then the cop decides to pull you over. 03:10 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:23 <@fenn> "A baptized Witness who unrepentantly accepts a blood transfusion is deemed to have disassociated himself from the religion by abandoning its doctrines and is subsequently subject to organized shunning by other members." 03:24 <@fenn> now, they're not talking about something minor like winning a bike race, this is for a medical procedure that will keep you from dying in a severe accident 03:33 <@fenn> The court said: "The freedom to accept or refuse specific medical treatment, or to select an alternative form of treatment, is vital to the principles of self-determination and personal autonomy. A competent adult patient is free to decide ... regardless of how irrational, unwise or imprudent such choices may appear to others." 03:33 <@fenn> unfortunately it seems this sort of "open-mindedness" on behalf of the cours only extends to nutty christian biblical interpretations 03:33 <@fenn> courts* 03:34 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:35 -!- Jaakko96 [~Jaakko@94-194-89-130.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 04:05 -!- barriers_ [~barriers@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- barriers [~syntrope@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:06 -!- barriers_ [~barriers@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 -!- barriers [~barriers@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- barriers [~barriers@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:19 -!- barriers 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<@kanzure> fenn: no i haven't been able to turn off that feature either :( 10:13 -!- Guest41524 [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:37 -!- Zimmeri [~Zimmeri@64.235.97.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- panax [panax@131.247.116.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:54 -!- Charlie__ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:06 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:12 <@kanzure> weird that the average age of a stackoverflow contributor (that has a social profile linked on their account page) is always >26 years 11:12 <@kanzure> http://www.brianbondy.com/stackexchange/expected-age/stackoverflow/ 11:12 <@kanzure> i'm sure there are users <26 years but they are never the majority for a given subject 11:13 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:25 < jrayhawk> Young people might be more likely to be non-contributory 11:25 <@kanzure> wouldn't young people have more questions? possibly? 11:26 < barriers> ? 11:26 < jrayhawk> or possibly young people are more likely to conceal their age 11:26 < barriers> waiting for teleomerase therapy 11:27 <@kanzure> barriers: telomerase isn't going to do that much good 11:27 <@kanzure> barriers: read more http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ 11:27 < barriers> stem cell regeneration? 11:28 < barriers> there were those contacts for retina repair posted a week or so back 11:28 -!- qu-bit [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 < barriers> hey guy 11:30 < barriers> kanzure: could you recommend a paper? 11:30 < barriers> or elaborate 11:31 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Ciao a tutti!] 11:31 -!- qu-bit_ [~heisenbur@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:32 <@kanzure> barriers: actually, no. 11:32 <@kanzure> heh android+ocr is 50 years average http://www.brianbondy.com/stackexchange/expected-age/android/ 11:34 < barriers> kanzure: do you have a favoured development for life extension? 11:35 <@kanzure> no, but i guess sens is a reasonable place to start if you only know about telomeres. 11:36 < barriers> er there's also synthetic organ replacements 11:36 < barriers> xna 11:36 < barriers> brain uploading 11:36 < barriers> idk 11:36 <@kanzure> what are you delineating a list of? 11:37 < barriers> life extension technologies 11:37 <@kanzure> your list is incomplete. 11:37 < barriers> of course 11:37 < barriers> what would you addend? 11:49 -!- safitan [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:58 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:01 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:02 -!- barriers 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it's somewhat meaningless 14:03 <@kanzure> i saw another page on that site where n=100 so i'm not sure the data is useful to begin with 14:09 < nmz787> kanzureis there a GUI text editor that does version control everytime i save (normally with ctrl-s) 14:09 < nmz787> kanzure ^ 14:10 <@kanzure> all of the good editors can be configured to interact with git 14:10 <@kanzure> if you are using vim these days you might be interested in the undo history tree that it automagically keeps 14:10 < nmz787> all i see for geany is this http://plugins.geany.org/geanyvc.html 14:11 <@kanzure> is that what you want? 14:12 <@kanzure> i highly recommend investing 30min of your time to learn vim. it's not a gui editor but you will find that you don't need that. 14:13 < nmz787> no 14:14 < nmz787> i just want to be able to hit ctrl-s like i do now, and another version is saved 14:14 < nmz787> i don't want to 'commit' anything 14:14 < nmz787> i just want it to do that obscured from me 14:14 <@kanzure> can you explain why? i'm trying to understand. 14:14 < nmz787> i dont remember all the commit related commands 14:15 < nmz787> and i havent been able to for 5 years 14:15 <@kanzure> git add foo; git commit foo. that's all. 14:15 <@kanzure> um sorry. i mean git add foo; git commit. 14:17 <@kanzure> so, is this because you want to be able to undo things quickly with ctrl-z, or is it because you're paranoid that you wont remember how to use git, or what's going on? 14:20 < nmz787> i'm not paranoid, i just don't remember them 14:20 < nmz787> windows server auto-versions all files 14:21 < nmz787> so if you screw up you just right-click on that file and go through the 'previous versions' tab 14:21 <@kanzure> i'm not convinced that's a sane thing to do 14:21 <@kanzure> but if you want to do it on linux: 14:21 <@kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/420143/making-git-auto-commit 14:22 <@kanzure> and if you want to get rid of the automatic messages you can do git rebase --interactive to squish them together 14:35 -!- safitan [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:37 < nmz787> so some folks on that thread say to commit 14:37 < nmz787> but another guy adds push to the autoscript 14:38 <@kanzure> push is for sending the commits to another computer/server/thing 14:38 < nmz787> ahh, so if the git is local it doesnt need push 14:38 <@kanzure> git is always local 14:38 <@kanzure> push is useful if you, say, want to update a remote repository on github with your latest changes 14:39 <@kanzure> sometimes people push to a testing server that runs all of their unit tests and browser tests so that they can auto-email the developer back with an error report of everything he's broken 14:42 < nmz787> what does this do su -c /home//bin/gitwait -l 14:42 < nmz787> i dont get the -c and -l 14:42 < nmz787> since the gitwait is a bash scrip 14:44 <@kanzure> su -c is to execute the following command as another user. su by default switches to root. 14:44 <@kanzure> -l is for gitwait. i don't know what gitwait is. 14:44 < nmz787> its a simple script that has an infinite loop with that inotifywait command 14:44 <@kanzure> oh. nope. -l is for su and chooses the username. 14:44 < nmz787> and then it commits 14:44 < nmz787> yeah 14:45 < nmz787> i dont need to exec it like that 14:45 -!- ArmilusDajjal [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:46 < nmz787> so i have a clean dir with two text files 14:46 < nmz787> i have it being monitored for changes 14:46 < nmz787> and git commit -a -m 'blah blah' being issued on file change 14:47 -!- safitan [~safitan@75-105-12-23.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47 < nmz787> how do i start a git repo or whatever for that dir 14:47 <@kanzure> git init 14:47 <@kanzure> your monitor script will have to do 'git add' if you want to add new files that have not been previously committed 14:47 < nmz787> isnt that what -a does? 14:48 <@kanzure> "automatically "add" changes from all known files (i.e. all files that are already listed in the index)" 14:48 < nmz787> so i still have to git add? 14:49 <@kanzure> you have to do 'git add --all' if you want to find new things 14:50 <@kanzure> i like to leave files around in my repositories that i don't commit, like scratch notes and other crap 14:50 < nmz787> ok 14:51 -!- Zimmeri [~Zimmeri@64.235.97.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:51 -!- Zimmeri [~Zimmeri@64.235.97.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@75-163-77-201.omah.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:03 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:09 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has 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##hplusroadmap 18:55 <@kanzure> "When they call you must answer their questions truthfully. Suppose you buy ethanol under the pretense of molecular biology and then divert that material to beverages. You have now committed mail / wire fraud, a serious crime." 18:56 <@kanzure> you must answer a supplier's questions truthfully or else it's mail fraud? 18:58 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01 -!- emancipate [~emancipat@50.14.1.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:22 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Quit: going to bed.] 19:26 < jrayhawk> http://www.threefelonies.com/Typicalfelonies/tabid/86/Default.aspx 19:33 -!- wrldpc [~wrldpc@2600:1000:b02b:c12a:f198:8d7f:7f95:817a] has quit [Quit: wrldpc] 19:34 <@kanzure> is it because ethanol for beverages is taxed differently? 19:35 < yashgaroth> we still pay the beverage tax on non-denatured alcohol, I believe 19:40 <@kanzure> i can imagine ordering ethanol for uh, some precipitation reaction or something, and then using it for sterilization because why not. 19:41 < yashgaroth> still technically lab use, unless you're sterilizing your martini 19:41 < yashgaroth> sigma's "tax-paid" ethanol (http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/chemistry/solvents/products.html?TablePage=14577624) is the same price as their regular listing 19:43 < yashgaroth> maybe large uni's bother getting an exemption, but no one else seems to care enough for the hassle 20:07 -!- Zimmeri [~Zimmeri@64.235.97.82] has quit [] 21:51 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:12 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:29 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:43 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 22:50 -!- yashgaroth [~f@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:39 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:47 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Ciao a tutti!] --- Log closed Sun Dec 30 00:00:15 2012