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01:00 < wrldpc> From what I heard about Armstrong no one will get the awards.  They will simply list no winner for those years.
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01:05 <@kanzure> that's neat.
01:06 <@kanzure> that means that someone can come along and create a judging committee to award something for those years since all of the top competitors already competed
01:07 <@kanzure> i suppose it's not as exciting to announce the results of a competition in retrospect, though..
01:08 < bkero> sup doodz
01:08 <@kanzure> they were all doping anyway, so i don't imagine it would be a stretch to convince them that a competition where doping is allowed would be okay
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05:46 <@fenn> woah. "exposure to Mycobacterium vaccae may work as an antidepressant because it stimulates the generation of serotonin and norepinephrine in the brain.[4][5] More specifically, it induces the neurogenesis of neurons that produce those two compounds."
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05:49 <@fenn> i wonder if this is the jonah lehrer effect again
06:19 <@fenn> there seems to be a patent on the effect
06:21 <@fenn> "the present inventors have also discovered that preparations of Mycobacteria such as M. vaccae can activate specific areas of the brain using previously unknown neural pathways. These novel pathways relay signals of inflammation from the periphery to highly selective areas of the brain. ... Afferent nerves stimulated by methods according to the present invention may be associated with the vagus
06:21 <@fenn> nerve, the dorsal root ganglia or other neural pathway."
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06:28 <@fenn> there's a lot of neuroanatomy stuff here i don't know enough about to say whether it's important or not
06:28 <@fenn> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2003/0170275.html
06:31 <@fenn> same patent, different viewer http://www.google.com/patents?id=cLaFAAAAEBAJ&dq=%22Treatment+of+conditions+of+the+central+nervous+system+using+mycobacteria%22
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06:34 <@fenn> too bad there's no peer reviewed scientific article
06:44 <@fenn> nice picture of a dorsal root ganglion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DRG_Chicken_e7.jpg
06:45 < chido> thanks for a nice desktop background :)
06:48 <@fenn> my current desktop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctic_krill_(Euphausia_superba).jpg
06:49 < chido> aaaw now I can't decide... but I like b/w images
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06:51 < chido> I had this for months now http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/092/5/a/winter_delay_by_kvasilchuk-d4urdly.jpg
06:52 <@fenn> cool i should have read the image caption before, it's from this http://www.ecoscope.com/krill/index.htm
06:52 <@fenn> nice photo, but i wish it were shooting lightning bolts
06:53 < chido> I just imagine it does
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06:57 <@fenn> wow that "virtual microscope" goes all the way down to the single cell level (at least in the eye)
07:00 <@fenn> http://www.ecoscope.com/ocean/index.htm
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12:38 < nmz787> kanzure: how do i change the last commit comment for a certain file?
12:38 <@kanzure> git commit --ammend
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12:39 <@kanzure> uh except imagine i can spell
12:39 <@kanzure> --amend
12:40 < nmz787> thx
12:40 < nmz787> but uhh, how do I know what is in the git repo?
12:40 <@kanzure> git status
12:41 < nmz787> i have the code directory autocommitting
12:41 <@kanzure> this is a good time to experiment with squishing commits together
12:41 < nmz787> but in the autocommit script i also rm -f *.o
12:41 <@kanzure> git rebase --interactive
12:41 < nmz787> but i think git is picking up the o files
12:41 <@kanzure> echo "*.o" >> .gitignore
12:41 <@kanzure> git add .gitignore
12:42 <@kanzure> this makes git ignore your .o files and not commit them
12:43 < brownies> um
12:43 < brownies> i would not recommend beginners to experiment with rebase, tbh.
12:43 <@kanzure> he's doing something crazy
12:43 <@kanzure> he wrote some script to monitor changes to his directory
12:43 <@kanzure> and he autocommits each time a file is changed
12:43 <@kanzure> so he has tons of useless commits
12:43 < nmz787> how would i ignore all .o files?
12:44 < brownies> good god why?
12:44 <@kanzure> git rebase --interactive lets him squish commits together
12:44 <@kanzure> brownies: no fucking clue dude
12:44 < nmz787> since i'm using git add --all
12:44 < brownies> hahah
12:44 <@kanzure> nmz787: echo "*.o" >> .gitignore
12:44 < nmz787> everytime it autocommits
12:44 <@kanzure> git add respects .gitignore rules
12:44 < brownies> the real advice is to stop autocommitting.
12:45 < nmz787> ok
12:45 < nmz787> thanks
12:46 <@kanzure> brownies: yes, we were talking about this yesterday. i can't figure out why he wants to autocommit.
12:46 < nmz787> so i dont have to gid add .gitignore
12:46 < nmz787> everytime i autocommit?
12:46 < brownies> just once.
12:46 <@kanzure> actually you don't have to add .gitignore ever
12:46 < nmz787> so i dont add it or not?
12:46 <@kanzure> but if you want other people who clone your repository to have the same .gitignore.. then you have to add it.
12:46 < brownies> set aside the pedantry and just add it.
12:46 <@kanzure> (that includes yourself)
12:47 <@kanzure> when you add a file that just means that it will appear in the next commit
12:47 < nmz787> so she typed git add .git ignore
12:47 < nmz787> do i have to remove .git somehow?
12:47  * brownies facepalms
12:48 <@kanzure> git reset --hard HEAD^
12:48 < brownies> haha
12:48 <@kanzure> right?
12:48 < nmz787> wtf does that do?
12:48 < brownies> could just do HEAD and not HEAD^ i'm pretty sure.
12:48 <@kanzure> btw since you're already autocommitting i bet .gitignore is already in the logs -_-
12:48 < brownies> HEAD^ might be one too far.
12:48 <@kanzure> no, HEAD is your current commit.
12:49 <@kanzure> HEAD^ gets you back to the previous one.
12:49 <@kanzure> oh you're right sorry
12:49 < nmz787> why do i need to do that?
12:49 < nmz787> .git doesnt exist
12:49 < nmz787> so would add even have worked?
12:49 <@kanzure> you mean you're not in a git repository?
12:49 <@kanzure> ls -la
12:49 < brownies> well there's HEAD and staging area, so he just needs to go back to HEAD
12:49 <@kanzure> do you see .git?
12:51 < nmz787> ok i did the reset
12:51 < nmz787> yeah .git dir was there
12:51 <@kanzure> check "git status" to see if things look okay
12:51 < nmz787> yeah nothing to commit
12:51 < nmz787> so now i should rebase?
12:51 <@kanzure> ls -la to check if .gitignore is there
12:51 < nmz787> i re-echoed it
12:52 < nmz787> and then said git add .gitignore
12:52 <@kanzure> git commit and type a fancy commit message about how much you like .gitignore
12:52 <@kanzure> then you will start your journey of learning about git rebase --interactive
12:52 < nmz787> nothing to commit
12:52 < nmz787> it must have autocommitted
12:52 < nmz787> :P
12:52 <@kanzure> ok i bet your autocommitter autocommitted
12:52 <@kanzure> sigh
12:53 < nmz787> so can't i just type git remove .git
12:53 < nmz787> ?
12:53 < nmz787> to make sure
12:53 < nmz787> it isn't being versioned
12:54 < nmz787> ?
12:54 <@kanzure> .git is not being versioned, you're fine. git is smarter than that.
12:55 < nmz787> can i just delete .git and then say git init?
12:55 <@kanzure> no that would delete all of your commit history
12:55 <@kanzure> it's fine the way it is
12:55 < nmz787> well would it make sure it's not broken in the future tho
12:55 < nmz787> the code is working now
12:55 <@kanzure> it's not broken, we already confirmed that
12:55 < nmz787> well i may have needed to go back several revisions
12:55 < nmz787> you said HEAD^
12:56 < nmz787> but i may have needed to go bac one more
12:56 < nmz787> since there was git add .git ignore
12:56 < nmz787> then i think git add .gitignore
12:56 <@kanzure> git add .git ignore did nothing
12:56 < nmz787> then i issued git --hard HEAD^
12:56 <@kanzure> i was just worrying unnecessarily
12:56 < nmz787> ahh
12:56 < nmz787> ok
12:56 < nmz787> fine
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12:57 < nmz787> rebase says it needs a branch
12:58 < brownies> see how many bad things happen when you autocommit -_-
12:58 < nmz787> :D
12:58 <@kanzure> git rebase --interactive master
12:58 < nmz787> see how bad things happen when the software doesn't autocommit as a feature
12:59 <@kanzure> also if you don't have a favorite editor setup you will probably be thrown into nano
12:59 <@kanzure> if you don't want nano then you should set your eidtor
12:59 <@kanzure> export EDITOR="vim"
12:59 < nmz787> so its aksing me for a command
12:59 <@kanzure> what?
13:00 < nmz787> s for squahs?
13:00 < nmz787> squash
13:00 <@kanzure> https://help.github.com/articles/interactive-rebase
13:00 <@kanzure> squash = use commit, but meld into previous commit
13:00 < nmz787> thats what i should use?
13:01 <@kanzure> squash will merge multiple autocommits into a single commit
13:01 <@kanzure> this is handy for cleaning up your version history and making it more meaningful to yourself/readers
13:01 < nmz787> ok
13:02 < nmz787> i see, i could have said HEAD~50 to dothe last 50 commits
13:02 < nmz787> but master will do all?
13:03 <@kanzure> master will let you choose all
13:03 <@kanzure> but you might only change one or two lines, it's up to you
13:03 <@kanzure> iirc at the very bottom of the file there should be an explanation
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13:10 <@fenn> vim-like mplayer interface to youtube etc: https://github.com/intnull/videotop
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14:03 <@kanzure> "Lipitor for high cholesterol ($1,500 a year), Zyprexa for schizophrenia ($7,000 a year) or Avastin for cancer ($50,000 a year)"
14:03 <@kanzure> hmmm
14:04 <@kanzure> "Alexion Pharmaceutical's Soliris, at $409,500 a year, is the world's single most expensive drug. This monoclonal antibody drug treats a rare disorder in which the immune system destroys red blood cells at night. The disorder, paroxysymal nocturnal hemoglobinuria (PNH), hits 8,000 Americans."
14:04 <@kanzure> so uh.. a monoclonal antibody is pretty easy to make in the scheme of things (compared to other crazy drugs).
14:05 < yashgaroth> compared to non-antibody protein drugs
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14:06 <@kanzure> it could be a clinic called "Last Resort"
14:07 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: you think you could replicate that antibody work for <$100k?
14:08 < yashgaroth> sure, but everyone on soliris gets it via insurance anyway
14:08 <@kanzure> huh? not everyone has insurance.
14:08 < yashgaroth> yeah but then they die
14:08 <@kanzure> and government assistance usually takes a while to get coverage (or maybe not? maybe there's an accelerated processing thing)
14:09 <@kanzure> i mean, in the 3 months that it takes to get government assistance for the $1000/day drug, surely you'd rpobably die?
14:09 <@kanzure> R. Pobably
14:09 < yashgaroth> alexion's entire staff nowadays is sales reps who hunt down people with the disorder and get them coverage
14:09 < yashgaroth> and people finding ways to spend their piles of cash
14:09 <@kanzure> ah so people without coverage are not dying
14:09 <@kanzure> find me a drug where uncovered people would die before the govt accepts their application
14:10 < yashgaroth> well there's also whether people in other countries have access to soliris, or whether it's even approved there
14:10 <@kanzure> i doubt there's diagnostics where it matters
14:10 <@kanzure> "oh obviously you need soliris"
14:10 <@kanzure> says the man wearing only one leaf...
14:11 <@kanzure> ok i guess it's not fair to assume non-US docs are underinformed
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14:12 <@kanzure> oh right the pharma companies usually offer assistance
14:12 <@kanzure> i don't understand the 'hunt them down and get them coverage' thing.. why would an insurance company accept a $300k/year cost?
14:12 < yashgaroth> because that's what insurance is for
14:13 < yashgaroth> hemophiliacs have a similarly insane yearly cost, and there's a lot more of them
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14:13 <@kanzure> maybe i don't understand insurance then
14:14 <@kanzure> regardless of the upcoming 2014 pre-existing condition changes,
14:14 <@kanzure> an insurance company can't reject a hemophiliac at the moment?
14:14 < yashgaroth> not until they require genome sequencing upon enrollment in 1-3 years
14:14 < yashgaroth> don't ask me on specifics, I don't even have health insurance
14:15 <@kanzure> you might want to consider it
14:15 < yashgaroth> surely my company will provide it in a few months :/
14:16 < yashgaroth> I think that 400k pricetag is similar to adderall - they cut discounts for insurance companies and hardship cases, very few actually pay full price
14:16 <@kanzure> i have health insurance but i pay full price for adderall anyway
14:16 <@kanzure> it's worth it and i earn 100x more income usingi t
14:16 <@kanzure> *using it
14:16 < yashgaroth> heh fair enough
14:26 <@kanzure> patient assistance programs by manufacturers is weird. "we'll give it to you for free but eventually we'll stop providing it"
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15:44 < brownies> so
15:44 < brownies> when all these manufacturing/hardware startups say "we need $X0,000 for tooling and setup"
15:44 < brownies> what the hell is "tooling and setup" ?
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15:48 <@kanzure> this looks sorta useless but maybe it will help http://www.toolingu.com/definition-950140-54648-tooling-cost.html
15:49 <@kanzure> "tooling cost: The cost to buy or build new tools or to revise older tools to make a specific product. This can be a direct or indirect cost, though most companies view it as indirect."
15:49 <@kanzure> i mean, pretty standard definition.
15:50 <@kanzure> here's some examples from forging.. https://www.forging.org/design/332-tooling-costs
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16:00 < brownies> intriguing. that forging look is useful.
16:01 <@kanzure> i don't actually know how maintenance gets factored into the accounting
16:01 <@kanzure> but you don't usually run the tools into the ground because your production line would stop..
16:04 < brownies> presumably you'd stop long before you run the tools into the ground, because the output would start to vary outside your error tolerance
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17:33 < DoYouKnow> anyone here ever succeed in growing brazil nuts in an exported country?
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17:34 < DoYouKnow> I'm trying to figure out the best place to buy fresh brazil nuts that are still viable
17:38 < DoYouKnow> I'm looking at this page: http://www.ehow.com/how_6457521_germinate-brazil-nuts.html
17:39 < DoYouKnow> based on all the similar pages on ehow that seem to contradict, I'm wondering about its legitimacy
17:39 < DoYouKnow> and other pages elsewhere
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17:51 < DoYouKnow> as I understand it, it's hit or miss with them
17:57 < DoYouKnow> I don't know of any resources on the topic... if there's a way to calculate the percentage of viability based on x days dry and out of the fruit, I'd be interested in hearing it
17:58 <@kanzure> ehh.. http://genomealberta.ca/livestock/farmer-to-biohackers-want-to-team-up.aspx
17:58 <@kanzure> "Cruver, while proudly seeking organic status for his first offshore shellfish farm in federal waters, is open to suggestions from biohackers on how to improve shellfish farming further in a completely green, socially responsible, and profitable way."
17:58 <@kanzure> i don't understand what this has to do with biohackers.. why doesn't he just ask for employees?
18:01 < DoYouKnow> kanzure: why does everything have to be so black and white with you?
18:02 < DoYouKnow> how old are you btw?
18:02 <@kanzure> what's black and white
18:02 <@kanzure> i am old enough
18:02 < DoYouKnow> those employed are employees
18:04 <@kanzure> so basically he wants free labor
18:04 < DoYouKnow> fuck the NRA
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22:12 <@kanzure> error: [Errno 98] Address already in use
22:12 <@kanzure> netstat -apn | grep 8081
22:12 <@kanzure> i don't see it. any ideas?
22:13 < jrayhawk> it's possible that's my fault. which server?
22:13 < bkero> kanzure: sudo netstat
22:13 < bkero> also grep tproxy
22:13 < bkero> grep 8081 /etc/services ;)
22:13 < jrayhawk> n takes care of that
22:13 < jrayhawk> and sudo is only useful for p
22:14 < jrayhawk> which is technically optional
22:14 <@kanzure> the only 80xx service running was adb which was on a separate port
22:14 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: localhost, definitely not your problem
22:15 < jrayhawk> Sounds scary.
22:15 <@kanzure> urllib3 runs some unit tests that start up a server
22:15 <@kanzure> and for some reason i can't run the unit tests after the umpteenth time
22:15 <@kanzure> i tried changing the port it asks for but i get the same error
22:20 < jrayhawk> strace -fe bind,close,listen,getsockname
22:21 < jrayhawk> it might be racing
22:21 <@kanzure> futex(0x8e11a88, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 0, NULL) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
22:21 <@kanzure>  bind(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(18080), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use)
22:21 <@kanzure> huh? where did 18080 come from.
22:23 < jrayhawk> I guess you could add ,connect to that strace for the hell of it
22:24 <@kanzure> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1481453/
22:27 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ curl -vvv http://paste.ubuntu.com/1481453/plain/
22:27 < jrayhawk> > GET /1481453/plain/ HTTP/1.1
22:27 < jrayhawk> < HTTP/1.1 302 Found
22:27 < jrayhawk> < Location: http://paste.ubuntu.com/openid/login?next=/1481453/plain/
22:27 <@kanzure> well that looks evil
22:28 <@kanzure> why can't pastebinit choose a more sane default pastebin
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22:37 < jrayhawk> alias pastebinit='ssh gnusha.org bash -c \"cat \> \$\(mktemp --tmpdir=/home/bryan/public_html/irc/ paste-XXXXXXXX.txt\)\"'
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22:38 <@kanzure> haha
22:38 <@kanzure> well i was trying to install /etc/pastebin.d/gist.github.conf
22:38 <@kanzure> but it turns out that doesn't work
22:38 <@kanzure> and nobody has bothered to backport pastebinit updates to whatever release of debian thisi s
22:38 <@kanzure> *this is
22:39 <@kanzure> then i got annoyed at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/pastebinit/dev-arbitrary-dest/revision/69#pastebin.d/gist.github.com.conf because launchpad is a billion times worse than sourceforge (why would i want to select line numbers when copying? and why would i want a valid Content-Type instead of the plaintext of a file?)
22:39 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: http://pastie.org/5600866
22:42 < jrayhawk> shouldn't it be doing the connect *after* the bind and listen?
22:44 <@kanzure> in python land things don't have to make sense
22:44 <@kanzure> and http can be molested however you want
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22:54 < jrayhawk> hmm. well, not seeing anything obvious, but sockets might be getting passed around under a different system call
22:58 < jrayhawk> alternatively, your userspace isn't privileged with full /proc/net/tcp(|6) output, suggesting network namespaces/openvz/vserver or a rootkit
22:58 < jrayhawk> i think unhide can bruteforce tcp and pids
22:58 <@kanzure> haven't checked for rootkits in a while
22:59 < jrayhawk> but more likely the unit tests are just racy
23:03 < jrayhawk> oh, no i was just looking at the wrong thing. 1180 and 1181 interfere with eachother.
23:03 < jrayhawk> hurf durf
23:04 < jrayhawk> so yeah, just rerun that strace without the -e filter and you can work out what the last two processes are.
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23:14 <@kanzure> i only see: read(10, "pyRH\0\0\0\324\0\0\0s4\0\0\0\6\1\t\6\t\4\6\2\t\16\t\v\t\6\t\6"..., 4096) = 1180
23:14 <@kanzure> nothing about 1181
23:15 < jrayhawk> [pid  1180] bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(18080), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0
23:15 < jrayhawk> [pid  1181] bind(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(18080), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use)
23:16 <@kanzure> oops didn't know you were looking at a pid, of course it will be different
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