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05:05 <@fenn> '"Forgetting" is a key part of human existence that most wearable applications tend to ignore.' pffff blrghh why am i reading this crap
05:26 <@fenn> this whole ycombinator thread has devolved into a discussion of the merits of lifelogging, not really anything to do with wearable enhancement
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05:29 < chris_99> what thread is that fenn?
05:38 <@fenn> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4993498
05:39 < chris_99> cheers
05:39 <@fenn> now this is what i want: "Another thing I did was create glasses that allowed me to see in different spectral bands. I could see where people had recently walked because the ground was still warm. I could look into a parking lot and see which cars had recently been parked because the engine was still hot."
05:39 <@fenn> that was steve mann circa 2000
05:41 < chris_99> i looked into how much passive IR recievers are, and they're ridiculously expensive at least for the ones i was looking at
05:42 < chris_99> i think that was for 2um+
05:43 <@fenn> theyre about $3k
05:43 <@fenn> but that's for a consumer device, not a development kit
05:43 <@fenn> it might be possible to get defective sensors for less
05:43 < chris_99> i was looking at the sensors themselves
05:43 <@fenn> missing pixels or whatever
05:44 < chris_99> and was quoted around £1k
05:44 <@fenn> quoted by who?
05:47 < chris_99> i'm just trying to find the email, it's a japanese company, who seem to be one of the main manufacturers, begins with H
05:49 < chris_99> got it hamamatsu
05:50 < chris_99> that was for an InGaAs
06:23 <@fenn> cool. thanks for the data point. hamamatsu is a high end scientific sensor company, so it's possible that someone like extech would have cheaper sensors
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06:44 < chris_99> cheers, hadn't heard of extech
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11:26 < heath> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/
11:26 < heath> qml
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11:44 <@kanzure> ah yes.. http://www.w3.org/.ger-test.php.swp
11:45 < eudoxia> wait dicks
11:45 < eudoxia> you can use /. and /.. in URLs?
11:46 < eudoxia> oh dear lord it works
11:46 < eudoxia> it goes back up
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11:46 <@kanzure> yes ../ usually works
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11:46 <@kanzure> most people running apache leave the default enabled to block access to .dotfiles
11:47 < eudoxia> fucking nuts
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11:49 < ThomasEgi> eudoxia, do you wan't a picture that matches your last phrase?
11:49 < eudoxia> no thanks but i have a joke that matches it
11:49 < eudoxia> "H, the victim was found with his dick in a jar of peanut butter"
11:50 < eudoxia> "well i guess you could say..." *puts on shades* "... he was fucking nuts"
11:50 < eudoxia> YEAAAHHHHH
11:52 <@kanzure> uh..
11:52 < ThomasEgi> .. the pic would've been the better choice. compared to the joke
11:52 <@fenn> heath: ubuntu seems to be making some odd choices lately, " Looking for music? Ubuntu doesn’t just search your phone. It also searches online retailers including Amazon and the Ubuntu One Music Store, putting the whole world of music at your fingertips,"
11:53 < eudoxia> i didn't think people still bought music
11:55 < ThomasEgi> well the last 4 times i was willing to buy music. i was unable to buy it , no matter where i looked or what i tried. so i got it via other means. their fault for making it impossible to buy it.
11:59 <@fenn> oh well at least they've got an incentive to port more stuff to ARM now
12:01 <@fenn> pooh. "Please note that currently only Marvell Armada-XP (server only) and TI Panda development boards are supported."
12:05 < EnLilaSko> http://singularityhub.com/2012/12/13/patented-book-writing-system-lets-one-professor-create-hundreds-of-thousands-of-amazon-books-and-counting/ - No idea if it fits here (or is well known), but damn that was cool
12:05 <@kanzure> yes it's well known. there are lots of spammers everywhere.
12:05 <@fenn> i'd rather have the opposite: a program that lets me read 100,000 books and condense them info one book
12:07 < chris_99> the books it generates are really weirdly priced though, like some are $400 for a load of crap
12:07 <@kanzure> i figure it's probably the same as the wikipedia book generator thing.. it just dumps a bunch of articles into a pdf. and sometimes it takes hours to render the pdf and fails anyway.
12:08 <@fenn> "what’s the next book genre Parker is targeting to have software produce? Romance novels."
12:09 <@fenn> hard to distinguish the auto-generated ones i bet
12:09 <@kanzure> 12:03 < nmz787> kanzure_: i just paid $27 to register at pdx.edu for some non-degree status
12:09 <@kanzure> 12:03 < nmz787> but i get library access
12:09 <@kanzure> 12:03 < nmz787> and i think it's instant
12:09 <@kanzure> 12:03 < nmz787> http://www.pdx.edu/registration/nondegree-register
12:10 <@fenn> cool
12:10 <@kanzure> we already have access to pdx thanks to jrayhawk
12:10 < EnLilaSko> chris_99: The pricing is fucked up idd - http://www.icongrouponline.com/industries.asp?sid=610991291&kw=Cancer
12:10 <@kanzure> but maybe there's another university that has this
12:11 <@fenn> don't you also have to pay for at least one credit hour?
12:11 <@kanzure> i hope not
12:12 <@fenn> well anyway there are probably ways to get around it
12:12 <@fenn> like signing up for a class, then dropping the class
12:12 <@kanzure> take a sabbatical
12:18 <@kanzure> rit seems to offer it
12:18 <@kanzure> nmz787: how is rit's paper access?
12:19  * vitno goes to RIT. what about our paper access?
12:21 <@kanzure> vitno: can you pastebin the list you find here? https://ezproxy.rit.edu/login
12:22 < vitno> http://pastebin.com/ZKBPgax3
12:22 <@kanzure> sciencedirect, nature, wiley interscience, but no ieee
12:23 < vitno> oh, of course we have IEEE. i've used it many times
12:23 < vitno> I don't see it though...
12:23 <@kanzure> but there's also acs, asm, aip, blackwell synergy, and elsevier
12:23 < vitno> I don't think thats the total offering
12:23 <@kanzure> oh i see it, Xplore is listed
12:23 <@kanzure> that's ieee
12:23 < vitno> kk
12:23 <@kanzure> ah and ingenta.. okay sounds like rit is a good option.
12:24 <@kanzure> http://www.rit.edu/academicaffairs/registrar/node/241/attachment
12:45 <@kanzure> nmz787: so do you have access to pdx.edu now?
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15:08 < eudoxia> my eyes have finally been opened to the wonders of git and text files
15:08 < eudoxia> at last I truly see
15:08 <@kanzure> what happened?
15:08 < eudoxia> I fell in love with YAML
15:08 < Mariu> :p
15:09 <@kanzure> you're a few years late on the yaml train
15:09 <@kanzure> but better late than never i guess
15:09 < eudoxia> yeah
15:09 <@kanzure> ever look at a diff of xml? yep..
15:10 < eudoxia> i also grew tired of looking for programs to replace Scrivener, and realized, it would be much easier if I just wrote every essay/paper/story/article on a plain text file and then wrote a script to pandoc it to something else, or put it together into a book, etc.
15:10 < eudoxia> I always disliked XML, it's horrid and redundant and hard to write
15:10 < eudoxia> buttsexpressions on the other hand are much more compact
15:10 <@kanzure> is that a lisp machine feature?
15:11 < eudoxia> no, just using things liek
15:11 < eudoxia> like*
15:11 < eudoxia> (html (head ***) (body lang:"en" ***))
15:11 < eudoxia> instead of, well, you know
15:12 < eudoxia> and *** should be ...
15:12 <@kanzure> have you used haml?
15:12 < eudoxia> it looks like shit and relies on indentation
15:13 < eudoxia> people will do all sorts of crazy things to escape parentheses or other delimiters
15:13 <@kanzure> but at least i don't need to craft parentheses jump expressions just to edit a document
15:13 <@kanzure> i don't actually use haml, for the record.
15:13 < eudoxia> i guessed
15:16 <@fenn> i just wish yaml had a canonical sort order for "unsorted lists"
15:17 <@fenn> so you could actually do line by line diffs
15:17 < jrayhawk> for a second i was really hoping 'buttsexpressions' was a structured plaintext format that i could be using
15:17 <@fenn> i think that was the implication
15:18 < jrayhawk> index.bsex
15:19 <@fenn> all files must begin with the string ( )x( )
15:19 < jrayhawk> * is the official butthole symbol
15:20 < jrayhawk> "Determining argininosuccinate synthetase (ASS) expression in patients with melanoma treated with arginine depleting therapy."
15:21 <@fenn> google thinks it's got you figured out
15:24 < jrayhawk> i think i may have synthesized enough ass for the time being
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15:44 < eudoxia> oh also i was reading fenn's site and caught the plain text bug
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15:50 <@fenn> i guess i have some text files up in pseudo yaml format
15:53 <@fenn> or maybe he's talking about skdb
15:57 <@kanzure> unsorted-dictionaries/lists-by-default is pretty evil
15:58 <@kanzure> *unsorted-lists
15:59 <@kanzure> it means that in many cases my http headers are sent out of order
16:00 <@kanzure> http headers aren't supposed to have an order but some servers are evil
16:00 <@kanzure> and other related problems that original-order-not-guaranteed causes.
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17:54 < juri_> Nice. one of my old students just got back ahold of me. he's also doing the 3d printer thing.
17:55 <@kanzure> have you ever read the ecoli/plastics papers?
17:55 < juri_> nopenope.
17:55 <@kanzure> prejudice?
17:55 < juri_> i'm still working on reading the last paper you sent me.
17:55 <@kanzure> okay.
17:56 < juri_> i've really just been too busy doing for-pay free-software stuffs.
17:56 < juri_> it doesn't pay well, so... got to do a lot of it to make ends meet.
17:57 <@kanzure> erm or you could solve the problem at the source.. don't take jobs that don't pay well.
17:57  * juri_ nods.
17:57 < juri_> still working on that. first, it was important to get my plate 'full' of paying work. now i can be pickier.
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17:58 <@kanzure> not that there's anything wrong with asuka
17:59 < juri_> asuka?
17:59 <@kanzure> sorry, channel leak
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18:16 <@kanzure> behold me ranting about phantomjs http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5000561
18:20 <@kanzure> what a terrible dependency manager for 3d prints https://github.com/blog/1368-make-me
18:22 <@kanzure> a chat bot just seems suboptimal
18:22 <@kanzure> how about cupsd or something..
18:23 <@fenn> given a choice between an irc bot and cupsd, i think i'd take the bot
18:24 <@kanzure> oh. hrm.
18:26 <@kanzure> man why are there no 'socket saturation' articles out there. surely someone has tried to play with all 32,000 sockets simultaneously?
18:27 <@kanzure> hah http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=66 "golang: http server hangs after ~16,400 connections"
18:31 <@kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2831434/how-to-retain-one-million-simultaneous-tcp-connections
18:31 <@kanzure> "I've run tests (here: http://www.lenholgate.com/blog/2005/11/windows-tcpip-server-performance.html) with a low spec Windows Server 2003 machine and easily achieved more than 70,000 active TCP connections"
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18:43 <@kanzure> "The main reason using TCP keep-alives were a non-starter was because in our testing, carriers handled them in "special" ways which usually meant they rarely or never actually reach ed the intended endpoint."
18:43 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1593959
18:44 <@kanzure> urban airship did 37k connections with python/eventlet
18:44 <@kanzure> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/note/c044af8b-4e8a-47b5-a618-82122a60ed26/hellblazer/DistributedSystems#st=p&n=c044af8b-4e8a-47b5-a618-82122a60ed26
18:44 <@kanzure> http://jon.doblados.net/2010/09/linux-kernel-tuning-for-c500k-urban-airship-blog/
18:46 <@kanzure> "To do this we made the socket servers pretty much just socket servers."
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19:17 <@kanzure> pdx.edu subscriptions menu http://pastebin.com/PsmCMz2i
19:18 <@kanzure> interscience, ieee xplore, nature publishing group (maybe?), sciencedirect, blackwell synergy, springerlink, ingentaconnect
19:20 < yashgaroth> did the pdx thing turn out to work without signing up for classes?
19:21 <@kanzure> yes, nmz787 dumped that list on pastebin
19:21 <@kanzure> after logging in.
19:22 < yashgaroth> right but did he get dem fulltextz
19:22 <@kanzure> let the feast begin gentlemen
19:23 <@kanzure> ezproxy doesn't limit your access to full text
19:23 <@kanzure> it's just whatever subscription deal the university has with the publisher
19:25 < yashgaroth> shit I wonder if any california state schools are that easy, I bet they've got some sweet subscrips
19:25 <@kanzure> so far it looks like pdx.edu is the only one that offers this immediate access
19:25 <@kanzure> some other schools seem to require transcripts or letters of recommendation
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19:35 < yashgaroth> doesn't seem instant so far
19:35 <@kanzure> 46% access on sciencedirect journals
19:36 < yashgaroth> so do I need to wait for "A representative from the PSU Registration Office will review your application and you will be contacted with more information within three days"
19:37 <@kanzure> ask nmz787
19:37 <@kanzure> 416-677-8207
19:38 < yashgaroth> ta
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19:42 <@kanzure> let us know what he says
19:43 < yashgaroth> +1 (416) 677-8207 - Ontario Parking Lot Services Ltd. ?
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19:44 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: 412-677-8207
19:44 <@kanzure> this time confirmed.. http://www.nathanmccorkle.com/resume_10_2012.pdf
19:47 < nmz787> yashgaroth:
19:48 < nmz787> yashgaroth: it was prety instant but it was during the daytime so maybe they handcheck them all?
19:48 < nmz787> yashgaroth: did you use a portland area address?
19:49 <@kanzure> let's use pdx.edu's address
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19:58 <@kanzure> nmz787: so you have confirmed fulltext access?
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19:59 < nmz787> no
20:00 <@kanzure> access denied?
20:01 < nmz787> confirmed
20:01 < nmz787> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/cb3006424
20:01 < nmz787> turns into this
20:02 < nmz787> http://pubs.acs.org.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/pdf/10.1021/cb3006424
20:02 < nmz787> the latter works when i log in
20:02 < nmz787> bbl, watchin movie
20:03 <@kanzure> how can you watch a movie at a time like this
20:03 <@kanzure> i'm throwing a huge party over this
20:14 < joshcryer> leech the shit out of it kanzure
20:15 <@kanzure> for leeching i can use the illicit access
20:18 < superkuh> Does this require having a PSU ID?
20:18 <@kanzure> it gives you a psu id
20:19 <@kanzure> http://www.pdx.edu/registration/nondegree-register
20:19 <@kanzure> "To be eligible to register for the first time, submit an online Non-Degree Entry form. The online process takes only a few minutes to complete and generates a student record so you may begin the registration process as soon as possible. [See the Priority Registration Schedule.] A non-refundable $25 proceessing fee applies and is charged to your credit card as part of the form completion process."
20:20 <@kanzure> "The online registration period runs from Nov. 5, 2012 through Jan. 13, 2013."
20:20 <@kanzure> oh oops that's just the deadline for winter 2013. it's probably rolling admission.
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20:42 < yashgaroth> but it didn't give me a username
20:42 <@kanzure> i think you get it by email
20:42 < yashgaroth> nope, so maybe that's where the PSU office review comes in, if he submitted his during business hours
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21:43 <@kanzure> hmm https://github.com/deanmao/node-hubbub
21:44 <@kanzure> i've never really understood the point of jsdom. it seems to be in the same category as a compatibility layer?
21:47 <@kanzure> "It's merely an integration library for the netsurf browser. It's the html parser for a real browser. I considered using the parser from other browsers like firefox or webkit, but netsurf had the fewest external dependencies."
21:58 < nmz787> yashgaroth: you there
21:58 < nmz787> ?
21:58 < yashgaroth> ya
21:58 < nmz787> yashgaroth: the username is in the payment confirmation page
21:58 < nmz787> it said to save it
21:58 < nmz787> or print it
21:58 < yashgaroth> nnnnoooooooooo
21:58 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: backbackbackbackback
21:59 < nmz787> but yeah it had the student ID @
21:59 < nmz787> #
21:59 < yashgaroth> I prune tabs obsessively
21:59 < nmz787> and then a temp password
21:59 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: undo close tab?
21:59 < nmz787> and it said to prefix the temp password with your 6 digit birthdate
21:59 < nmz787> ctrl-shift-t
21:59 < nmz787> you had to log in to odin
21:59 < yashgaroth> closed like 3 hours ago, I'll go hunting through my history
22:00 < nmz787> http://pubs.acs.org.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/pdf/10.1021/cb3006424
22:00 < nmz787> whoops
22:00 < nmz787> https://oam.pdx.edu/idm/user/login.jsp
22:00 < nmz787> that's the one
22:00 <@kanzure> this is why closing a tab is a bad idea
22:00 < nmz787> the confirm page is https://banweb.pdx.edu/pls/oprd/bwskalog.P_DispSigPage_cc?transaction_id=
22:01 < nmz787> where the ID is an 8 character long mixed case+nums
22:01 < yashgaroth> Application not found. Restarting application process.
22:01 < nmz787> ctrl-h then search that URL
22:01 < yashgaroth> no confirmation email? what is this, 1993?
22:01 < nmz787> nope
22:01 < nmz787> i was confused for 20-45 mins
22:01 < nmz787> then read that confirm tab carefully
22:02 < nmz787> To start your PSU computer account please visit the website below
22:02 < nmz787> https://oam.pdx.edu
22:04 < yashgaroth> nope it's fucked
22:06 < yashgaroth> well hopefully they'll think to include it in the review email
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22:29 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: i got an email
22:30 < yashgaroth> aaaaaagh
22:30 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: i was just testing the process, don't fret. i think it's worth a few bucks to have an actually legit account for once.
22:31 < yashgaroth> well I'll email them tomorrow, otherwise I'll sign up again...still costs less than a single journal article
22:32 <@kanzure> yep
22:32 <@kanzure> kinda sick isn't it
22:32 < yashgaroth> even their fucking opinion articles are double-digit $s, like come on seriously
22:32 <@kanzure> https://login.ezproxy.lib.pdx.edu/login sweet justice
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22:36 <@kanzure> wait, no.. it seems to be http://proxy.lib.pdx.edu/menu instead
22:38 < yashgaroth> it says "Please review the information below and print a copy for your records." but there's no information, it just says "Our automated process is unable to complete your request at this time"
22:38 < yashgaroth> but I did get a receipt email this time?
22:38 <@kanzure> the receipt email doesn't include the necessary information
22:39 < yashgaroth> all it gave me was a reference # and invoice #
22:39 <@kanzure> you are not having a good day :(
22:39 <@kanzure> you should dispute one of the charges with your cc provider
22:40 < yashgaroth> indeed
22:40 <@kanzure> suck it elsevier http://www.nature.com.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/nature/journal/v438/n7067/pdf/nature04405.pdf
22:41 <@kanzure> and nature publishing group
22:48 < nmz787> lol
22:48 < nmz787> good thing I need this class to get into super college, or else I may not have discovered this ;)
23:00 <@kanzure> nmz787: what would it take to keep you out of super college?
23:01 < nmz787> access to equivalent resources with a better deal than $20k/year for teaching and/or on-the-clock research
23:08 <@kanzure> what if you got $60k/year and you had to buy your own resources
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23:26 < nmz787> sure, how would that work?
23:27 < nmz787> tell me where to go within 20 miles to do that
23:27 < nmz787> trading teaching/lab/research for $60k/year?
23:28 <@kanzure> i could probably find you a python gig in portland
23:28 <@kanzure> that would pay at least that much
23:28 < nmz787> well that is not chemistry though
23:28 <@kanzure> no, you would have to do chemistry things somewhere else, like at home.
23:28 < nmz787> maybe if it was a scientific problem
23:30 < nmz787> let me know more about this potential python gig
23:30 < nmz787> but that's still not teaching
23:30 < nmz787> right, and I like doing that
23:31 <@kanzure> there are tons of python gigs flying around all the time
23:32 <@kanzure> i don't have a specific one in mind.
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