--- Log opened Sun Jan 06 00:00:00 2013 --- Day changed Sun Jan 06 2013 00:00 < archbox> L-tryptophan 00:00 < xx> I'll see what the shrink makes up after i see her. 00:00 < archbox> brownies: 5-HTP is a 5-HT precursor not dopamine 00:00 < brownies> archbox: yes, 5-HTP is a precursor in serotonin production; that's why i said "that other one that's a dopamine precursor" because dopamine plays a similar role 00:00 < archbox> I don't recommend 5-HTP because peripherally it can cause damage. Stick to tryptophan imo. safer, at least 00:01 < brownies> synthesize ALL the neurotransmitters! 00:01 < archbox> ohhhhhhh, thanks 00:01 < archbox> :D 00:01 < xx> 5 htp does something to your heart if im not mistaken. google it 00:01 < archbox> DL-phenylalanine, brownies 00:01 < archbox> xx: correct 00:01 < brownies> this is the first i'm hearing of such claims of harmfulness around 5-HTP or L-Dopa... 00:01 < brownies> i don't supplement with them, but i thought they were on the "relatively harmless" side of the spectrum 00:01 < xx> effexor probably does horrid shit too. but meh, i have no fucks to give 00:01 < archbox> if you take carbidopa with 5-HTP it might prevent peripheral buildup and save your heart 00:02 < brownies> ahh right i'd read about this. 00:02 < archbox> xx: just take some aspartame 00:02 < brownies> you need to take 5-HTP with something else, so that it crosses the blood-brain barrier instead of accumulating in your heart/organs/etc. 00:02 < brownies> naturally, i've forgotten what that magic other thing is. 00:02 < archbox> carbidopa 00:02 < xx> archbox: how effective is it ? is it like inositol effectiveness? 00:02 < archbox> take levodopa carbidopa and 5HTP you will become god 00:02 < archbox> xx: aspartame? no 00:03 < xx> dose? 00:03 < xx> price? 00:03 < archbox> I take 500mg DLPA 00:03 < archbox> it's cheap 00:03 < archbox> >Phenylalanine is a precursor for tyrosine, the monoamine signaling molecules dopamine, norepinephrine (noradrenaline), and epinephrine (adrenaline), and the skin pigment melanin. 00:03 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: fuck it I'm out of here] 00:03 < xx> let's become black uguise 00:03 < archbox> http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-dlpa-dl-phenylalanine/?NttSR=1 00:04 < archbox> this one has a BOGO special: http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-dlpa-dl-phenylalanine-500-mg-60-capsules-1/?NttSR=1 00:04 < xx> is it really effective ? 00:04 < brownies> my 2cents is that one should not go bargain-hunting for nootropics =P 00:04 < archbox> brownies: it's just amino acidz 00:04 < xx> they are all the same... 00:04 < archbox> which = proteins = gainz 00:05 < archbox> peptides are just proteins. Let's make peptide shakes 00:05 < xx> i already take some taurine and beta alanine 00:05 < archbox> any1 tried DSIP? 00:05 < brownies> archbox: EGCG 00:05 < archbox> brownies: green tea catechins?? 00:05 < xx> is that why high protein diets are good for depression? 00:05 < archbox> i take 800mg daily 00:05 < brownies> archbox: taking EGCG with your 5-HTP inhibits the thing that converts the 5-HTP into 5-HT outside of your brain 00:05 < archbox> xx: yes and because it tastes good 00:05 < archbox> brownies: wow 00:06 < brownies> archbox: that was on our earlier thread... EGCG was what i was thinking of to complement 5HTP 00:06 < archbox> ohhh 00:06 < archbox> xx: this suggests not using beeta alanine and taurine: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54028-treating-anxiety-safely-effectively/ 00:06 < archbox> longecity so take with a grain of salt 00:06 < xx> why ? 00:06 < archbox> something about GABA something 00:06 < brownies> but, yeah, i hear EGCG is pretty cool by itself too. 00:06 < archbox> It does appear that BETA-ALANINE is also a GABA RECEPTOR AGONIST - see this study for example: Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9. 00:07 < xx> I'm so tired of trying different things. I wish i could find something that works. 00:07 < archbox> :< 00:07 < xx> like just a magic pill . boom. happeh. forevar 00:07 < archbox> how was inositol? 00:07 < archbox> try aniracetam 00:07 < xx> shiet 00:07 < archbox> it works great for me 00:07 < archbox> i take 00:07 < archbox> 50mg inositol 00:07 < brownies> this is going to sound pretty radical 00:07 < brownies> but have you tried diet, exercise, and sleep? 00:08 < xx> T_T 00:08 < xx> I stopped smoking , 8th month, took commutting, i am vegan (my diet is primarly veggies) and i sleep 00:08 < archbox> brownies: where can i get pills for those 00:08 < archbox> or a bulk powder, if that's cheaper 00:08 < brownies> heh 00:08 < archbox> http://www.healthsupplementwholesalers.com/products/melatonin 00:08 < xx> when im on my down phase though, no force in the universe can stop me from sabotaging all the progress i made 00:09 < archbox> 1000mg for under $3 bulk 00:09 < brownies> xx: nice start! now get daily sunlight and tackle your diet. 00:09 < archbox> and get some modafinil 00:09 < archbox> (from your doctor if your doctor approves) 00:09 < xx> yeah ill see what she ll give 00:10 < xx> I really just want a stable mood. im sick and tired of cycling. 00:10 < xx> 2 months happy. 6 months crap. 3 months trying to get back on feet. Rinse and repeat 00:10 < archbox> tell her you are afraid of all antidepressants but tell her that moda is going into phase III trials for depression and moda is neuroprotective 00:11 <@fenn> xx: selenium and magnesium are your friends 00:11 < xx> i'll tell her exactly that archbox 00:11 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-73-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:11 < archbox> fenn: what upper limit for magnesium do you recommend for anxiety? 00:12 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@neuroblastoma.cs.pdx.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:12 < archbox> i took 200mcg selenium and 4x133mg magnesium glycinate chelate tonight 00:12 <@kanzure> paperbot: .fetch Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9. 00:12 <@kanzure> erm.. 00:12 <@kanzure> .fetch Neurochem Int. 2010 Oct;57(3):177-88. Epub 2010 Jun 9. 00:12 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 00:12 <@fenn> o rly 00:13 < archbox> man i love taking pills 00:13 <@fenn> .fetch doi: 10.1080/00365520500235334 00:13 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 00:13 < archbox> 'night everyone 00:13 <@kanzure> paperbot: fucking work already 00:13 <@kanzure> fdjkalfkjdkafjakda 00:13 < xx> You know , I hear you all talking about supplements and that it works for you. but I'd like to hear of somoene who has been diagnosed with major depressive disorder's point of view. Supplementations vs Drugs 00:13 <@fenn> .fetch Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 2006, Vol. 41, No. 4 : Pages 408-419 00:13 < paperbot> trying to fetch the paper... 00:13 <@kanzure> fenn: it's borked 00:13 <@kanzure> sorry to have gotten your hopes up 00:13 < archbox> rip paperbot 00:13 <@fenn> xx: which is it, major depressive or bipolar? they're not the same thing 00:14 < xx> who said im bipolar? 00:14 < brownies> yeah that is hugely different 00:14 <@fenn> "2 months happy. 6 months crap. 3 months trying to get back on feet. Rinse and repeat" basic symptoms of bipoar disorder 00:14 < xx> oh. 00:14 < xx> well maybe i am bipolar. 00:15 < xx> last diagnosis was when i was 15: doctor said i had major depressive disorder 00:15 < xx> psychotherapy for 5 years: 800 mg lithium + prozac + 3rd drug 00:15 <@fenn> common misdiagnosis; doctor only sees you when you're on the down swing 00:15 <@fenn> oh if they gave you lithium they knew you were bipolar 00:15 <@fenn> anyway, i see lithium as a poor substitute for magnesium 00:15 <@kanzure> google scholar is terrible at resolving "doi: 10.1080/00365520500235334" 00:15 < xx> i dont think so. 00:16 < brownies> you could just put in the DOI URL -_- 00:16 < xx> scratch that i stopped the psychotherapy when i got 18. 00:16 < xx> so it was only 3 years 00:16 < xx> i dk why its 5 in my head. 00:17 <@fenn> well i forgot what causes bipolar, sorry 00:17 <@fenn> past my bedtime 00:17 <@kanzure> brownies: true, but it would be nice if google scholar was smart enough to resolve citations 00:18 < brownies> kanzure: i suppose so 00:18 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@neuroblastoma.cs.pdx.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19 <@fenn> archbox: 600mg is okay, i don't know what the upper limit is 00:21 <@kanzure> 17 MB/sec to ftp.mozilla.org 00:30 -!- Undine [~Undine@64.235.97.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:32 <@fenn> xx: http://autoimmunethyroid.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/gaba-and-diy-for-bipolar-disorder/ and possibly ketamine 00:33 <@fenn> she's sensitive to amines such as tyramine, which is confusing because she presents it as if everyone else is also sensitive to amines 00:34 < JayDugger> ketamine: for bipolar disorder? 00:34 <@fenn> i don't think tomato and broccoli are a problem 00:35 -!- wizrobe [~aserid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 00:35 <@fenn> JayDugger: xx http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120530/10085/ketamin-bipolar-disorder-depression.htm depression symptoms significantly improved within 40 minutes, and remained improved over 3 days. 00:36 <@fenn> "ketamine is classified as an NMDA receptor antagonist." and so is magnesium, so that's why i recommend magnesium 00:37 <@fenn> and yes i know ketamine does a bunch of other stuff 00:38 <@fenn> and you will pee your pants and have a heart attack and turn into a total loser 00:38 < JayDugger> That rather understates its potence. 00:39 <@fenn> hehe "psychotomimetic phenomenon" 00:39 < JayDugger> Yeah, let's go with that euphemism. 00:44 <@kanzure> fyi i am upgrading things on gnusha so let me know if your favorite packages go poof 00:44 <@kanzure> so far libsdl1.2-dev went poof 00:45 <@kanzure> "Preparing to replace g++ 4:4.5.2-2 (using .../g++_4%3a4.7.2-1_i386.deb) " 00:45 <@kanzure> wonder how %3 got in there 00:45 <@kanzure> ":" 00:52 < Undine> what is gnusha? 00:55 <@kanzure> it's a monkey creature that provides open source hardware and dependency resolution 00:57 <@kanzure> $ ls -l xpcshell 00:57 <@kanzure> -rwxr-xr-x 1 bryan bryan 952595 Nov 19 19:11 xpcshell 00:57 <@kanzure> $ ./xpcshell 00:57 <@kanzure> -bash: ./xpcshell: No such file or directory 00:58 <@kanzure> what am i doing wrong? 00:58 < Undine> ...ok 01:03 <@fenn> gnusha's not ganesha! or something like that 01:04 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:05 <@kanzure> our acronymlyzer is broken 01:05 <@fenn> kanzure: did you delete or move the directory you're in? or maybe you have to log out 01:06 <@kanzure> i tried logging it out and back into a different shell 01:06 <@kanzure> didn't delete 01:06 <@fenn> does it do #!/usr/bin/foobar 01:08 <@kanzure> no they are binaries 01:08 <@kanzure> weird the i686 version works but not the x86_64 version 01:08 <@kanzure> uname claims that we're x86_64 01:09 <@fenn> well good luck with that 01:09 <@kanzure> maybe i installed some i386/i686 packages and xulrunner is dynamically linked 01:39 < jrayhawk> fenn: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853431/ i think you should reconsider 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http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1001462 04:20 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1001462 04:20 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01436-5 04:20 < paperbot> KeyError: 'mimeType' (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/papers.py", line 60, in download) 04:21 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:21 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01436-5 04:21 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Structural%20Basis%20for%20dsRNA%20Recognition%2C%20Filament%20Formation%2C%20and%20Antiviral%20Signal%20Activation%20by%20MDA5.pdf 04:22 < chris_99> does paperbot work for things like IEEE/ACM out of curiousity 04:22 <@kanzure> try it 04:24 < chris_99> paperbot: 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Exciting regardless. 04:26 <@kanzure> it should have given 501 for sciencemag.org 04:27 <@kanzure> thanks for the test data.. keep it coming. 04:29 <@kanzure> oh also "didn't find any pdfs" is indicative of subscription failure 04:29 <@kanzure> i suppose i should try on multiple proxies 04:31 < superkuh> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0741-3335/52/3/032001/ 04:31 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Multiple%20pinch%20formations%20in%20small%20plasma-focus%20devices.pdf 04:32 < superkuh> Hah. Great. I've had that one in my session file for a year. 04:35 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has quit [Changing host] 04:35 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:36 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:42 < superkuh> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=901261 04:42 < paperbot> error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=901261 04:42 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [Quit: bbl] 04:43 <@kanzure> hack hack hack 04:44 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:44 <@kanzure> right now it's just pdx.edu, and they tend to have sucky ieee availability. 04:54 <@kanzure> http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA220914 04:54 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Heterodyne%20Characterization%20of%20High-Speed%20Photomixers%20for%20the%20Ultraviolet.pdf 05:14 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:46 <@kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7430/full/nature11717.html 05:46 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20vast%2C%20thin%20plane%20of%20corotating%20dwarf%20galaxies%20orbiting%20the%20Andromeda%20galaxy.pdf 05:59 < EnLilaSko> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6407/abs/361031a0.html 05:59 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6407/abs/361031a0.html 05:59 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20synaptic%20model%20of%20memory%3A%20long-term%20potentiation%20in%20the%20hippocampus.pdf 05:59 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20synaptic%20model%20of%20memory%3A%20long-term%20potentiation%20in%20the%20hippocampus.pdf 05:59 < EnLilaSko> Oh, really cool kanzure 06:03 <@kanzure> hmm that one didn't work 06:03 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 < EnLilaSko> No, noticed. But cool function anyway 06:03 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:04 < EnLilaSko> But found it somewhere else 06:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-143-85.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:11 <@kanzure> http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/139 06:11 <@kanzure> damn. 06:13 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007/978-4-431-53993-3_10 06:13 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007/978-4-431-53993-3_10 06:14 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00726-012-1311-1 06:14 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00726-012-1311-1 06:15 <@kanzure> pfft. 06:15 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:19 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has quit [Changing host] 06:19 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:32 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:32 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:32 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.126.145] has quit [Changing host] 06:32 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:39 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-143-85.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:57 -!- archbox [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:27 -!- devrando1 [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@gateway/tor-sasl/niftyzero1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-143-85.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 < eudoxia> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/could-human-enhancement-turn-soldiers-into-weapons-that-violate-international-law-yes/266732/ 07:31 < eudoxia> these people in charge of ethics 07:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-143-85.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/abs/nrn2867.html 07:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Long-term%20depression%20in%20the%20CNS.pdf 07:47 < EnLilaSko> kanzure: The bot doesn't seem to like me, lol 07:49 * bkero waves to all you crazy nightowls 07:55 < strangewarp> Cyclical-schedule owl, for me, heh 07:56 < strangewarp> Right, time to run to Radioshack for a particular phono jack panel that's only available there, for some reason, then keep my nose to the grindstone on these two musical hardware-hacking projects that I really desperately want to finish soon before it drives me crazy... 07:57 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 < juri_> neat. a paperbot. nice. 08:54 -!- qu-bit_ [~shroedngr@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@gw-ko-kostr2.inka-online.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-73-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:59 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:26 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: hi 11:26 < yashgaroth> sup 11:27 <@kanzure> paperbot. 11:27 < yashgaroth> paperbot: fetch me a bagel 11:30 < yashgaroth> well that needs work, but I see it does do papers 11:32 < brownies> i want on in this bagel run too 11:35 <@kanzure> i need to figure out proxies. 11:35 <@kanzure> does anyone have a stable proxy i can add to it? i don't reaaally want to add stolen account details. 11:36 <@kanzure> something other than pdx.edu 11:37 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@75-163-93-111.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:43 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: what's up? 11:52 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you happen to have anything to scrape facebook for all your posts? 12:19 <@kanzure> facebook offered a download thing that gives you that content 12:21 < delinquentme> REALLY 12:22 < delinquentme> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 12:22 <@kanzure> ok ok calm down don't go super saiyin on me 12:25 < delinquentme> they're apparently packing up my data right now .. kinda awesome. 12:26 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:29 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.225.51.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:37 <@kanzure> delinquentme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us8Qojiy5J8 12:39 < delinquentme> =] not bad intro! 12:39 < delinquentme> trying to locate this remix by pretty lights ... I labeled it on facebook as "existential gangster dubstep" 12:39 < delinquentme> it was surprisingly solid 12:40 < delinquentme> reminds me alot of the FF10 blitzball intro video 12:42 < strangewarp> I read that as "experimental gender dubstep" 12:46 < strangewarp> which, honestly, would have been just as interesting 12:48 < delinquentme> haha 12:48 < delinquentme> TIL biggie was gender queer 13:31 -!- panax [panax@131.247.116.140] has quit [] 13:41 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 <@kanzure> paperbot: reload papers 13:41 < paperbot> kanzure: (version: 2013-01-06 21:41:31) 13:41 <@kanzure> eww a timestamp for a version 13:42 -!- _0bitcount [~ulises11@82.158.225.51.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/abs/nrn2867.html 13:43 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n7/pdf/nrn2867.pdf 13:43 <@kanzure> ah much better 13:50 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=901261 13:50 < paperbot> error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=901261 13:50 <@kanzure> uhuh.. 14:05 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 14:05 < paperbot> error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 14:11 < brownies> paperbot: reload __init__ 14:11 < brownies> eh, worth a shot =P 14:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:20 <@fenn> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20655949 14:20 < paperbot> error: didn't find any pdfs on http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20655949 14:20 <@kanzure> it's telling the truth you know 14:20 <@fenn> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163782710000354 14:20 < paperbot> error: HTTP 501 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163782710000354 (battle station not fully operational) 14:20 <@kanzure> sciencedirect is broken for some reason 14:20 <@fenn> paperbot: man battle stations! 14:21 <@fenn> "no manual entry for battle stations!" 14:21 <@kanzure> so.. ieee xplore should actually work. 14:21 <@kanzure> i've been debugging https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/IEEE%20Xplore.js 14:22 <@kanzure> it seems to be capable of finding the element but it's just not happening for some reason? 14:25 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 14:26 < paperbot> error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 14:26 <@kanzure> http://pastebin.com/XiZmkchJ 14:28 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 14:28 < paperbot> error: didn't find any pdfs on http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=901261 14:29 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:34 < brownies> paperbot: man cat 14:34 < brownies> worst. robot. ever. 14:35 < yashgaroth> even I can't parse that 14:35 <@kanzure> it's pretty amazing it even works at all, give the bot a break. 14:48 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: what should i install to enable sftp on gnusha? someone wants sftp tab completion. apparently scp tab completion sucks? 14:50 <@kanzure> is proftpd safe? 14:52 < AlonzoTG> why is this channel called hplusroadmap? nobody seems to ever talk about the big picture or present anything that could be called a roadmap.... 14:52 <@kanzure> ah wait we have vsftpd 14:53 <@kanzure> AlonzoTG: because there was a roadmap and then we deleted it or something 14:53 < juri_> alonzo: people here are busy doing. 14:53 <@kanzure> "the big picture" is that you should go learn these things http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration 14:53 <@kanzure> how do i force vsftpd to enable sftp 14:54 <@fenn> i've been reading "the case for mars" in which the author argues that nasa has been failing for the past 40 years because of a distinct lack of mission. instead of developing technologies that lead to a goal, various technical communities compete to create their favorite project that may or may not actually be useful for anything at all 14:55 <@fenn> he calls this "shuttle mode" vs "apollo mode" 14:56 <@fenn> we're in the same boat, but without 20 billion in annual funding 14:57 <@kanzure> oh openssh-sftp-server seems to be configurable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config 15:00 < brownies> but what's the analogous goal for the transhumanist community? 15:00 < brownies> space program has mars. transhumanists have... glowing cats? 15:00 <@kanzure> whole brain emulation 15:00 <@kanzure> an actually useful nootropic 15:00 < brownies> (1) doesn't seem useful (2) piracetam 15:00 < brownies> NEXT! 15:00 <@kanzure> piracetam isn't really that great 15:01 < brownies> i've heard a few horror stories about dependencies and withdrawal and such, but on the whole it seems to be a magic thing that you take and it makes you slightly smarter 15:01 < brownies> *with zero to minimal side effects 15:01 <@kanzure> so what? slightly smarter? who the fuck cares.. 15:01 < yashgaroth> piracetam's good for saving money on other things, but I never noticed a nootropic effect per se 15:01 <@kanzure> i mean, slightly smarter is totally useless and irrelevant 15:01 < brownies> honestly even "5-10% smarter" would be a meaningful boost that's nothing to sneeze at 15:02 <@kanzure> yes, it is statistically significant 15:03 <@kanzure> whole brain emulation is useful because you can experiment on changes to the brain without having to actually stimulate your brain to figure out what will kill yuo 15:03 <@kanzure> *you 15:04 <@kanzure> i also strongly believe that transcranial ultrasound and other ways to get information in/out of the brain can provide transhumanist results 15:05 <@kanzure> brownies: oh and longevity is another obvious one 15:05 < juri_> sub quantum interference detector, eh? 15:06 <@kanzure> for what 15:06 < juri_> (i guess you didn't watch that movie) 15:06 <@kanzure> soundsl ike BS 15:06 <@kanzure> *like 15:06 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:06 < yashgaroth> it was a good movie 15:06 < juri_> of course it is, but it as a good plot device. 15:07 <@kanzure> brownies: btw the reason i say 5% is useless is because there are people who are 5% smarter than any of us in here, and they aren't particularly more effective at making better smart drugs 15:08 <@kanzure> the "smartest guy in the world" is some bar hop.. 15:09 <@kanzure> erm.. i mean. he doesn't seem to be more effective at his maths than anybody else. 15:09 <@kanzure> i want orders of magnitude 15:09 < brownies> heh, i remember reading that article. poor bastard. 15:09 <@kanzure> (and it's not a "oh maybe he's happy with that job" situation) 15:10 < brownies> kanzure: one would presume that the reason they aren't particularly effective at making smart drugs is that they're not dedicating every moment of their entire lives to it 15:10 < brownies> and instead they've come here to fuck around on IRC instead of researching nootropics 15:10 < brownies> your average PhD has an IQ of, what, 120? not exactly a monument of genius, but since they work full-time on research, they contribute more than us navel-gazers 15:10 <@kanzure> no, irc is not the reason you suck at nootropics brownies 15:11 < brownies> kanzure: that was just a jab. the point is that it's a function of time invested. 15:11 <@kanzure> don't be so sure about that either, most phd students don't read that much 15:11 <@kanzure> their papers are usually only 200 references, they usually exclude thousands of highly relevant papers. these guys are lightweights.. 15:12 * kanzure grumps off 15:12 < brownies> given that they're still producing papers, that seems like a strawman. 15:15 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 < juri_> i still haven't produced any papers worth speaking about. 15:19 < juri_> but, i can type on irc! :) 15:33 < AlonzoTG> I have a minecraft server up, I've sketched out some insane ideas there. =P 15:41 <@kanzure> ? 15:41 < AlonzoTG> yeah, I'm crazy. 15:51 -!- mochanstein [6c53c57b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.83.197.123] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- mochanstein [6c53c57b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.83.197.123] has quit [Client Quit] 16:01 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@c-24-3-73-35.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:14 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:42 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 18:08 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-111-12.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:49 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 < joehot> kanzure: i've got a friend sitting on a printer. he says he's looking for any excuse to use it. what should he make 18:57 < juri_> what kind of printer? 18:57 < JayDugger> http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/cad/ar15_receiver.pdf 18:58 < joehot> the kind that matters 18:58 < joehot> very funny 18:59 < JayDugger> Who's kidding? 18:59 < JayDugger> If that strikes you as flame bait, duly noted. I meant it in seriousness. 19:00 < juri_> print more printers. 19:00 < JayDugger> That's an even better idea. 19:06 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 <@kanzure> joehot: he should make http://thingiverse.com/ things 19:50 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@75-148-41-126-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- AdrianG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 <@kanzure> Adifex: hi 20:01 < Adifex> hey! anything happening around here? 20:02 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 20:02 -!- JayDugger [~duggerjw@pool-173-74-81-239.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03 < nmz787> paperbot http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=689788&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel4%2F779%2F1278%2F00689788.pdf%3Farnumber%3D689788 20:03 <@kanzure> paperbot only understands "paperbot: " or a message beginning with "http" 20:03 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 <@kanzure> and it definitely can't handle login.jsp 20:04 < nmz787> paperbot:http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=689788&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel4%2F779%2F1278%2F00689788.pdf%3Farnumber%3D689788 20:04 <@kanzure> also.. ieee xplore is broken anyway :P 20:06 < nmz787> well that bokmarklet and chrome does 20:07 <@kanzure> paperbot is not chrome 20:07 <@kanzure> paperbot: reload papers 20:07 < paperbot> kanzure: (version: 2013-01-07 04:07:10) 20:08 <@kanzure> paperbot: reload papers 20:08 < paperbot> kanzure: (version: 2013-01-07 04:08:51) 20:09 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1986.64.4.0594 20:09 < paperbot> error: HTTP 501 http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1986.64.4.0594 (battle station not fully operational) 20:09 < Adifex> lol 20:09 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.20572/abstract 20:09 < paperbot> error: HTTP 501 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.20572/abstract (battle station not fully operational) 20:09 <@kanzure> damn. 20:10 <@kanzure> nmz787: the bookmarklet in that case will take you to the pdf because that's what the url is, but in most cases it's not immediately obvious where on the page the pdf link is 20:12 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27 < jrayhawk> kanzure: did you sort out your crazy ftp thing 20:36 < Adifex> Is there a good compilation of transhumanist papers around, like a year-end type of thing? Or do I have to find them all on my own? 20:36 < Adifex> And what journals are good for that type of thing? 20:36 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:38 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Ciao a tutti!] 20:58 < nmz787> Adifex: kanzure should know 21:04 < Adifex> heh. kanzure must be out 21:04 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@75-148-41-126-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 21:06 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@75-148-41-126-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:23 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@68-115-57-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:56 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30 <@kanzure> Adifex: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ has a bunch of useful things, but no there's no journal specifically for transhumanist things. 23:30 <@kanzure> and don't listen to the liars who claim jeet serves that purpose. 23:31 < Adifex> kanzure: thanks a bunch. Maybe we need to start a journal! :D --- Log closed Mon Jan 07 00:00:23 2013