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00:36 < nmz787> cool
00:36 < nmz787> got that to work pretty well
00:36 <@kanzure> paste the code http://gist.github.com/
00:45 < nmz787> https://gist.github.com/4554609
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00:47 < nmz787> ttyl
00:49 <@kanzure> my suggestion: never use single letter variable names, ever
00:49 <@kanzure> otherwise looks okay
00:50 < eleitl> morning, gentlemen.
00:51 <@kanzure> morning, commander.
00:51 < eleitl> :)
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01:03 < nsh> kanzure
01:03 < nsh> pm
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01:36 <@kanzure> ponged.
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01:38 < dende> hi using a console-curses irc weechat
01:39 < dende> usually i use pidgin, which irc clients do you use ?
01:40 < juri_> i'm using irssi.
01:40 < eleitl> also irssi here
01:41 < dende> yes looks nice i just saw some screenshots
01:42 < dende> i wonder why anyone would chose standalone clients over multi-protocol programs such as empathy and pidgin
01:42 < dende> do you use only irc ?
01:43 < dende> i installed this standalone irc "weechat" supports scripting plugins etc , i need him for a project i'm working on which will communicate to programs over an irc channel
01:44 < dende> on 2 servers
01:44 <@kanzure> eleitl: you should tell liberationtech about science-liberation-front
01:44 < juri_> i only use irc, and keep all my irssi sessions inside of screen.
01:45 < dende> do you use a gui, windows manager etc ? or plain old terminal ?
01:45 < dende> you would be deprived of the internet if that were the case, so i doubt it very much lol
01:46 < juri_> I'm using a multi-headed linux box. one head just for irc sessions with no window decoration, the other running some *box window manager.
01:46 <@kanzure> the internet works without a gui, i don't see your point
01:46 < dende> yes i actually meant web browsing
01:46 < dende> took me too literally
01:46 < dende> multi-headed is dual boot same ?
01:47 < juri_> not at all. two physical screens.
01:47 <@kanzure> sigh
01:47 < dende> ok i understand
01:47 <@kanzure> i still intend to answer your earlier questions but it will have to wait for another day.
01:48 < dende> haha
01:48 < juri_> kanzure: you looking for some other project to foist me onto? ;)
01:48 <@kanzure> no
01:48 < eleitl> will do, kanzure
01:48 <@kanzure> i just didn't look at your links
01:48 < eleitl> I thought I've forwarded some emails there already
01:48 <@kanzure> i don't read that list so i wouldn't know
01:49 < eleitl> I read so that you don't have to
01:49 < juri_> oh. ok, you've still got some time. i've probably got a week of hacking still to do.
01:49  * eleitl is effectively a human router at this stage in life
01:49 < dende> juri what are you hacking? biology, hardware or software ?
01:50 <@kanzure> eleitl: i realized years ago that you are a sophisticated postfix spam filter gone terribly wrong
01:50 < eleitl> ;)
01:51 < juri_> dende: right now, EMR software. i'll get back around to hacking all three soon.
01:51 < dende> i'm wondering what language to put my ircchat script in, i have choice of ruby, perl, pyhton, Lua, Tcl, Guile
01:52 < dende> do you get paid for your hacking endeavours or are you a spare-time hobbyist
01:53 < juri_> yes. ;)
01:53 < juri_> i'm a full time hacker. sometimes i'm paid, sometimes im just doing to contribute.
01:54 < dende> thats nice
01:54 < dende> i feel like i am working my way up, gaining experience in areas i lack it
01:54 < dende> which at the momement is scripting and web-page stuff
01:56 < dende> currently i am playing with css and html, probably will have to use js or php because i am going to make a ranking table which is created dynamically
01:56 < dende> from input data over an irc channel, fed from some other servers which hold the data which i want to process
01:56 <@kanzure> please don't start with php
01:57 <@kanzure> i will kickban you
01:57 < dende> right
01:57 < dende> then js it is :P
01:57 < eleitl> friends don't let friends use php
01:57 < dende> but my good friend already advised me to use publicfile by djb as web server, but i wanted experience, so i uninstalled it and put apache instead
01:58 < dende> i never have heard negative criticism of php, whats all the fuss ?
01:58 < nsh> ahaha
01:58 <@kanzure> dude, just leave
01:59 <@kanzure> you were banned for a reason
02:00 < dende> i will stop , i much rather sit silently than be ushered out
02:00  * kanzure sleeps
02:00 < eleitl> good night
02:00  * juri_ sleeps
02:00 < eleitl> we GMT+1 tribe will shoulder the load interim
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02:04 < dende> how many years it took you to realize the problems of php, did you notice them first-hand? *kanzure can i speak a bit further?*
02:04 < eleitl> the problems of php were obvious the very moment it was released
02:04 < dende> ok thats all i wanted to ask, thank you
02:05 < dende> i cross php off, now i balance python and ruby and perl
02:05 < dende> any recommendation ?
02:05 < eleitl> perl is a bit obsolete, though it has a large codebase
02:06 < eleitl> I do not see much advantage of ruby over python, and some or the ruby community gives me the willies
02:06 < eleitl> So python looks like a good conservative choice at the moment.
02:06 < dende> ty
02:06 < eleitl> Ruby doesn't hurt, though I probably would want to stay away from RoR.
02:07 < dende> i was familiar with webserver addon php-cgi, is there addons for python which can do similar job?
02:07 < eleitl> If you want to look into python, there are interesting things like Twisted, django, and the likes.
02:08 < gedankenstuecke> dende: there are python wsgi adapters for apache
02:08 < gedankenstuecke> (and other webservers as well)
02:09 < eleitl> apart from native webservers in Python, I would look into nginx and fcgi
02:10 < dende> ok, that opens my horizons ty appreciated
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02:18 < eleitl> apache is bit long in the tooth and overkill for many purposes
02:18 < eleitl> you can combine nginx/apache just fine
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02:19 < eleitl> for small footprint applications asynchronous webservers (though apache does have an async option now) have an edge
02:19 < dende> wikipedia irc server ? can i get on there too?
02:19 < eleitl> too often you see small systems killed by running out of memory by having to serve many requests
02:20  * eleitl has no idea about wikipedia
02:20 < dende> yes i am running only on a virtual private server
02:20 < dende> so i have not much memory to spare
02:21 < dende> i am reading up django atm
02:21 < eleitl> good, so do look into nginx then
02:21 < eleitl> are you on debian?
02:23 < dende> yes the vps is running debian
02:23 < dende> my home system is linux mint
02:24 < eleitl> nginx is in debian packages
02:24 < eleitl> you might have to look into backports for more freshness
02:24 < gedankenstuecke> dende: depending on what you want to do django may be overkill. it's similar to ruby on rails in terms of size and features, with all the benefits and drawbacks
02:24 < eleitl> in a pinch, roll your own nginx packages
02:24 < eleitl> nginx/fcgi is probably a good start with python on a small vserver
02:25 < dende> ok i'll look into it
02:35 < nsh> NO SPACES BEFORE QUESTION-MARKS
02:36 < nsh> let's at least be civilised.
02:39 < dende> lol
02:43 < dende> its strange that i do apt-get remove --purge for apache2 and its libraries, yet still remains an apache2 folder and some files in the /etc/ dir
02:46 < nsh> it's a conspiracy
02:49 < dende> oh its apt-get --purge remove maybe
02:49 < dende> or just apt-get purge
02:49 < dende> i did apt-get remove --purge
02:50 < dende> but the manual says remove --purge is equivalent to the purge
02:52 < dende> ah found the answer, it was The config files are from the package apache2-common, not apache2, so ...
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03:23 < nsh> good troubleshooting
03:23 < nsh> for future reference there's no way ordering of --purge could make a difference, and it's equivalent apt-get purse <package>
03:23 < nsh> *purge
03:23 < dende> i'm not sure i need a web application framework program for my little website, it seems more for businesses
03:25 < nsh> that would be a semicolon
03:25 < dende> what ever it offers me, i would have more pleasure doing myself :/
03:25 < nsh> or just a new sentence
03:25 < nsh> what's your website going to do?
03:25 < dende> display a table of names
03:25 < dende> but the order is dynamic and requires updating
03:27 < dende> its a ladder, of rankings, for a game, so the players wish is to be at the top ..
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03:27 < nsh> i see
03:28 < nsh> WAF would probably be overkill
03:28 < nsh> and self-implementation would be educational
03:28 < dende> i want to use python, becasue the others say php is not good
03:28 < dende> but when i research python + nginx, they all recommend some kind of web framework software
03:28 < dende> i hear of this thing called "flup"
03:28 < nsh> php is an awful language by any metric, however it is well established for web and there are lots of resources
03:29 < nsh> python kinda requires some special sauce to do web stuff
03:29 < nsh> haven't heard of flup
03:29 < dende> yes , i do not play on the computer only for the end result, i also do it for a learning curve, and it seems more worthwhile to do it on something which is not frowned upon
03:29 < dende> actually, i only do it for learning curve ^^
03:30 < dende> the other is ... just to make the learning curve easier to ride
03:31 < nsh> i find a toboggan helps
03:32 < dende> i have 2 things to make today, 1) a fcgi python script to dynamically create a html page with a table 2) to make a python script which this ircchat i am using now (weechat) uses to search irc chat for data and to pass that data to the webserver(nginx) somehow
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03:33 < chris_99> flask is nice dende for python web dev
03:33 < chris_99> it's like a micro web framework
03:33 < dende> yes wikipedia listed that as a web framework
03:34 < dende> ok
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03:35 < dende> is it possible for me to not use any web framework at all ?
03:35 < dende> then i just print or echo html lol
03:35 < chris_99> er, why though
03:35 < chris_99> flask is really nice and saves you implementing a lot of boring stuff
03:35 < superkuh> You can use nginx and parse the logs with shell scripts to autogenerate pages.
03:35 < superkuh> It's what I do.
03:36 < superkuh> Or whatever server, really.
03:36 < nsh> +1
03:36  * nsh just uses netcat and bash
03:37 < nsh> like god intended
03:37 < dende> you auto generate log pages? for which purpose ?
03:38 < chris_99> haha, i've tried that before nsh
03:40 < dende> wait i think i know what you mean superkuh, you make deliberate log statements in say javascript? then you parse thoes log statements later on for more autogenerated pages?
03:40 < superkuh> nginx has an access log. I use event driven perl modules to tail it, then parse with regex looking for dynamic page requests, comment submissions, etc. The perl script then names and writes the appropriate html file.
03:41 < dende> oh i get ya
03:41 < superkuh> I use a bit of javascript to invoke reloading of the html in browser.
03:42 < dende> so you are a DIY man
03:42 < dende> event driven, such as the event that the access.log file was written to ?
03:42 < superkuh> I suppose. I don't have the patience to learn how other people do things the right and elegant ways.
03:43 < superkuh> It is a buzzword I am repeating that I believe means the script will not always be taking much processing power and it mostly is sleeping.
03:44 < dende> oh ok , so it does have a loop? just its very slow ?
03:44 < dende> or does it use signals ?
03:44 < superkuh> POE::Wheel::FollowTail
03:45 < eleitl> hello superkuh
03:46 < dende> its clever stuff, leaves me wondering how it knows when to tail it
03:47 < dende> This wheel follows the end of an ever-growing file
03:47 < dende> PollInterval is the number of seconds to wait between file checks.Once FollowTail re-reaches the end of the file, it waits this longbefore checking again.
03:48 < dende> so then it makes it sound simple again, which makes me wonder why fopen doesn't do the job
03:50 < dende> ah right, its about multi threading and saving Lines of Codes
03:50 < dende> now i understand why its more suited for the job
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03:57 < eleitl> not just lines of code, memory footprint under load
03:58 < eleitl> classical apache way is to keep a preforked pool
04:01 < dende> interesting, i am reading about cgi on wiki now
04:01 < eleitl> http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpFastcgiModule
04:04 < eleitl> I can't really say much about python+fcgi+nginx at this point.
04:04 < eleitl> There seem to be multiple frameworks, some more supported and/or lightweight.
04:05 < eleitl> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7048057/running-python-through-fastcgi-for-nginx
04:08 < dende> i am thinking to use web.py
04:08 < dende> but i'm still not sure why i am forced to use a web framework program
04:10 < Sanky> I recommend Flask
04:10 < Sanky> fcgi is only required for deployment
04:11 < Sanky> (and there are other options)
04:12 < dende> what do you mean by its only required for deployment, what is deployment in this context?
04:13 < Sanky> flask has a development server which is trivial to use, but you want to use a real server like nginx for "deployment" (actually running the site publicly)
04:14 < dende> ok so when it comes to deployment , then i face this problem, but in the meantime i use flask, is that it?
04:14 < Sanky> if you decide to use flask at all, then yes, that's the general workflow
04:15 < dende> but how does flask relate to fcgi /w nginx and deployment, and why is flask even necessary
04:16 < Sanky> you want to use a framework, there are multiple, like pyramid, flask, django, web.py as you mentioned
04:16 < dende> i feel i have no choice
04:17 < dende> i don't particularly want to
04:17 < dende> i would rather not
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04:17 < eudoxia> web.py seems nice
04:17 < Sanky> so what are you solving
04:17 < dende> i want to use python to dynamically create a html page
04:17 < dende> its usually called cgi i think
04:17 < dende> and then the faster version fcgi
04:18 < Sanky> if it's only a single page, then you probably don't want an entire framework
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04:18 < dende> so i need a fcgi server which locally communicates with nginx
04:18 < dende> and supports python ?
04:19 < dende> its a single page, yes i want something simple
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04:22 < dende> yes i think the fastcgi communication from teh webserver to the fcgi client is when the content needs to be created, instead of writing to a file, it stores it in memory instead
04:23 < dende> i actually like superkuh's method , which was using an event driven model which responds when a user visits his page, then he responds by writing a file, its very manual, i might try that
04:24 < dende> Although flup is primarily used as a fastcgi server, it also includes a fastcgi client.
04:26 < dende> https://gist.github.com/3720207
04:26 < dende> what about that
04:30 < dende> http://docs.python.org/2/howto/webservers.html
04:30 < dende> setting up fastcgi
04:30 < dende> i will follow that
04:44 < eleitl> you should look at several alternatives
04:44 < dende> i am fairly confident this is what i want
04:44 < eleitl> see whether they fit your requirements, and are still supported/have a community
04:45 < dende> my requirements are always very minimum
04:45 < eleitl> unfortunately, this whole web monkey business is full of poo
04:45 < dende> i am a lone soldier :P
04:45 < eleitl> if your requirements are minimal, why not a web server written in Python?
04:45 < dende> hehe
04:45 < eleitl> Try Twisted.
04:46 < dende> minimum - but still require dynamic content
04:48 < dende> it seems i am using this after all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Server_Gateway_Interface
04:48 < eleitl> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5458631/whats-so-cool-about-twisted
04:48 < dende> wsgi
04:50 < eleitl> I humbly suggest that you don't really know what you want yet
04:50 < eleitl> Perhaps you should spend some time evaluating multiple alternatives before deciding on one.
04:54 < eleitl> You trouble will be that there are too damn many to choose from.
05:00 < dende> my mind craves understanding
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06:02 < nsh> see logs for gist of channel
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06:20 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
06:21 < eleitl> good afternoon
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06:58 < dende> hi whats with the addresses i see
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06:58 < dende> i thought this channel only existed on freenode network, yet i see strange @domain tags which are not that of freenode.net
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07:00 < dende> there must be a way to link to the freenode network
07:00 < dende> or register to it somehow i don't know
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07:00 < chris_99> what addresses?
07:01 < dende> leave the channel and then come back
07:01 < dende> i will tell you yours
07:01 < chris_99> that's just the IP/domain of the person connecting
07:01 < dende> oh ok, what sort of ip is "unaffiliated/barriers"
07:01 < chris_99> that's a cloak
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07:02 < chris_99> to hide your IP
07:02 < dende> ok i would like one of those
07:02 < chris_99> go to #freenode
07:02 < chris_99> and ask
07:02 < dende> ok
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07:44 < balrog> http://m.techcrunch.com/2013/01/17/elsevier-mendeley-education/
07:53 < eleitl> very nice, my all-in-one zfs install seems to be succeeding
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07:58 < eleitl> is it just me, or is imgur turning into 9gag within a mere week?
08:31 < JayDugger> I've not used either, eleitl, so I can't say.
08:32 < JayDugger> I'm envious of your all-in-one zfs install, though.
08:35 < JayDugger> Do you have any details on the zfs all-in-one to share?
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10:02 < dende> is anyone here well informed about ASM ?
10:02 < dende> i have a small favour to ask
10:03 < ParahSai1in> and you've just wasted everyone-who-could-help-you's time by not asking
10:03 < dende> ok i'll say it
10:03 < dende> i am looking at some asm
10:03 < dende> it looks like this
10:03 < dende> mov     edx, offset sub_10013A50
10:03 < dende> sub     edx, 2005DB66h
10:03 < dende> push    edi             ; lpAddress
10:03 < dende> call    esi ; VirtualProtect
10:04 < dende> i skipped some line sinbetween the 3rd and 2nd
10:04 < dende> because not relevant to the question
10:04 < dende> but to my calculations , edi is negative number
10:04 < dende> and that can't be
10:04 < dende> first line : edx stores 10013A50h
10:04 < dende> second line : 10013A50h = 10013A50h - 2005DB66h
10:07 < dende> 2005DB66 is bigger than 10013A50 so its negative
10:08 < dende> have i interpreted the asm wrongly , i assume that i must have done, but where
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10:42 <@kanzure> http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/01/17/safe-dump-this-down-the-drain-ask-biosafety-expert/XjpWRYkgrVcKLMatLPZqTK/blog.html
10:42 <@kanzure> for ask.diybio.org
10:42 <@kanzure> i don't know why they don't just answer questions on the mailing list though
10:42 <@kanzure> seems kinda fishy
10:43 < ParahSai1in> its safe to pour anything down the drain that won't corrode pipes
10:46 < ThomasEgi> ParahSai1in, even if it is so toxic that the vapours will kill half the town? ;)
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10:50 < ParahSai1in> anything you're likely to get your hands on
10:51 < ParahSai1in> obviously your city's wastewater treatment plant bugs are not going to biodegrade radioisotopes
10:51 < ParahSai1in> and exotic reactive chemicals
10:51 <@kanzure> i wonder if they run geiger counters on that waste water
10:52 < ParahSai1in> nah, they just check it for 30 30 -- 30 mg/l oxygen demand, 30 mg/l ammonia
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11:15 < EnLilaSko> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/pdf
11:16 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/pdf
11:16 < EnLilaSko> Or should I rather link the non-buying page?
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11:18 <@kanzure> well maybe that would help
11:18 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/pdf
11:18 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f1863b6640c214ec2e8c9899ab2a1418.txt
11:19 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x/asset/j.1468-3083.2009.03513.x.pdf?v=1&amp;t=hc2a8moi&amp;s=ca6f1691ca8512738c97890ac8851bc7a26fc47d
11:19 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e3286dca204d9e335d3185c4452fef50.pdf
11:22 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-13772-3_43?LI=true
11:23 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cd628a1592c77382b9f568284d75d185.txt
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11:23 <@kanzure> man, these translators suck
11:23 <@kanzure> wiley and springer aren't exactly uncommon
11:24 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: www.springerlink.com/index/K7581P72137Q2W74.pdf
11:24 <@kanzure> needs http
11:25 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://www.springerlink.com/index/K7581P72137Q2W74.pdf
11:25 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bf52af3f7c5d9ffc12e80d75feb00975.txt
11:26 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://csc.sagepub.com/content/9/2/166.full.pdf+html
11:26 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Look%20Out%20New%20World%2C%20Here%20We%20Come%3F%20Race%2C%20Racialization%2C%20and%20Sexuality%20in%20Four%20Children%27s%20Animated%20Films%20by%20Disney%2C%20Pixar%2C%20and%20DreamWorks.pdf
11:27 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03189650?LI=true
11:27 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f133f089d7b5215b531ea7c88254259f.txt
11:27 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065230X08609173
11:27 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c782ecd70ce729e93697f7a08f1980f9.txt
11:28 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://pdn.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=273038&_user=1694017&_pii=S0065230X08609173&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=1955--31&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLbVlS-zSkWA&md5=fa18a32cb7423bacef792089133880e9&pid=1-s2.0-S0065230X08609173-main.pdf
11:28 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/73f8f41acaac6bbe88859bf852c66fa8.txt
11:32 <@kanzure> shiet i didn't think about that
11:33 <@kanzure> most of the zotero translators have spaces in their name
11:33 <@kanzure> oh wait it can still work
11:34 <@kanzure> so i need a post-receive hook in zotero-translators.git on diyhpl.us that will kill the current server and run ~/code/paperbot/translation-server/run.sh
11:34 <@kanzure> run.sh recompiles translation-server with the new translators and then runs the server
11:35 <@kanzure> it's using the translators from /srv/ikiwiki/zotero-translators/ which get compiled from /srv/git/zotero-translators.git
11:35 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/zotero-translators/JSTOR.js
11:36 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: any thoughts on the best way to track instances of zotero translation-server?
11:44 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=0ea4cd0b Bryan Bishop: add article about ellen jorgensen at ted
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12:00 < ParahSai1in> the big product here apparently is going to be genotyping hundreds of loci while multiplexing thousands of samples on next generation sequencing, and being cheaper than microarray
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12:12 < sivoais> Springer changed its site design completely in the last couple of months, so maybe the new translator isn't as tested?
12:13 < sivoais> (I had written my own scraper and I see that it is now in need of fixing)
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13:13 <@kanzure> balrog: thanks for the ezproxy url
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13:29 < balrog> np
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13:32 <@kanzure> ah there's a /etc/init.d/skeleton
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13:58 < ParahSai1in> cathal: "I'd consider it unethical to operate on anything with vertebra (or Octopus..)."
13:58 < ParahSai1in> boring...
13:58 < ParahSai1in> is he some sort of vegan?
13:59 <@kanzure> pfft next he is going to start saying that operating on humans is "morally dubious"
14:01 < ParahSai1in> i ran over a retarded duck yesterday, but mostly i was sad that i couldnt cook it because i was in a hurry to get to work
14:02 <@kanzure> you're a quack
14:02 < ParahSai1in> i think next thanksgiving im gonna bag one of those
14:02 < ParahSai1in> muscovy ducks are supposed to have very good textured meat
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14:27 <@kanzure> "On another note, why is there only one 'kind' of copyright? Why do the same rules that apply to work written for profit apply to work written for scientific edification?"
14:27 <@kanzure> "Some differentiation there would go a long way towards solving these problems."
14:27 <@kanzure> from http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5075359
14:37 <@kanzure> welp i broke git on diyhpl.us have fun everyone
14:41 < eudoxia> this is what you get for not using mediawiki
14:41  * eudoxia is joking
14:49 < nmz787> ParahSai1in: yes he's vegan or at least vege
14:54 < ParahSai1in> creepy
14:54 < nmz787> so i need to replace my truck's speedometer, and I am considering just buying an android table and mouting it where my gauges are currently
14:55 < nmz787> $50 gets so much, except that it has to boot up... so it might be a while to get speeds if i start driving quickly from key-on
14:56 < nmz787> kanzure: could you control the brightness very well in android, or is it driver dependent?
14:56 < nmz787> my cell phone for example is a little too bright on it's lowest setting to work in my dash board at night
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15:02 <@kanzure> nmz787: you could have the tablet in sleep mode, so it would only take a second to activate the screen
15:03 <@kanzure> nmz787: dunno if it works on android, but you could try http://pastebin.com/92neVhUr
15:04 <@kanzure> you will probably have to poke around in /sys to see if there's anything relevant like that
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15:31 < nmz787> kanzure: do you know of any web libraries that can access a serial port?
15:32 < nmz787> the spectrometer i used today just has a USB to serial converter in it, and spits out ascii over the port when you ask for a reading
15:32 < nmz787> so i copy-pasted from terminal each time we took a reading
15:32 <@kanzure> web libraries?...
15:32 <@kanzure> well you could write a small web application that access the serial port of the server
15:32 < nmz787> but i'm wondering what I could write that wouldn't need to be installed
15:33 <@kanzure> for instance, python/flask
15:33 < nmz787> so i thought browser maybe
15:33 < nmz787> i dont know if python is on the machines they have
15:33 <@kanzure> you would have to write a small server to proxy information from the serial port to the browser for javascript to get access to, possibly using websockets or a basic json format
15:34 < nmz787> hmmm, so a windows exe
15:34 < nmz787> with all the libs statically linked (or most)
15:34 <@kanzure> why is it windows?
15:34 < nmz787> so i wouldn't have to install it
15:34 < nmz787> that's what they have in the labs
15:34 < nmz787> because it's normal people
15:34 <@kanzure> python can access a serial port
15:34 < nmz787> yes i know
15:35 <@kanzure> you can deploy python to windows machines with py2exe or nanite or apt-cyg or something
15:35 < nmz787> hmm
15:36 < nmz787> i wonder how many libs can be linked statically
15:36 < nmz787> i've heard of py2exe i think
15:36 < nmz787> basically the output exe needs to be 'portable'
15:37 < chris_99> what's the exe gonna do?
15:37 <@kanzure> serve the serial port over http or websockets
15:37 < nmz787> well at least interpret the ASCII stream coming from the spectrometer
15:37 < nmz787> and make a CSV file that is also human readable
15:38 < chris_99> you could do that in C easy enough
15:38 <@kanzure> he said he wanted it "web" i presume he doesn't want to write a web server in c :p
15:38 < nmz787> yeah but then i'd have to use visual studio
15:38 <@kanzure> no
15:38 < nmz787> well i said web because it's already installed
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15:38 < nmz787> the javascript interpreter
15:38 <@kanzure> you can compile things for windows from linux
15:39 < nmz787> python would be way easier than C too, esp if i added graphing
15:39 < nmz787> previously my buddy thought he would make the graphing stuff in javascript
15:39 < nmz787> using some nice graph lib he found
15:40 < nmz787> that did zooming and all that jazz
15:40 <@kanzure> sure, three.js or d3.js would be appropriate
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15:42 < chris_99> can you read com ports directly like a file, via a webbrowser?
15:43 < nmz787> would that be better than any python lib?
15:43 < nmz787> can you pop open a webkit pane in python?
15:43 <@kanzure> you can do python/webkit things but i wouldn't recommend it
15:43 < balrog> http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/government-surplus-dna-sequenc.html
15:43 < nmz787> hmm
15:44 < nmz787> so maybe it's a python program that sets up a local server port, then opens chrome/etc (default browser somehow) and navigates to itself
15:45 < nmz787> As long as it was 1-click to get working, that would be OK
15:46 <@kanzure> why are you running the browser locally? i thought you wanted to do "web stuff" so that you can access it remotely?
15:46 < nmz787> nah
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15:47 <@kanzure> if you want to do math visualization stuff you could just use matplotlib directly
15:47 < nmz787> i said i wanted something that didnt need installed
15:47 < nmz787> yeah winpython has that builtin
15:48 < nmz787> http://code.google.com/p/winpython/wiki/PackageIndex_27
15:48 <@kanzure> you're going to need to use something to pipe the com port data to anything
15:49 <@kanzure> you could write a complicated series of bat scripts to use the com prompt thing
15:49 <@kanzure> really you should just throw it out and put in a computer that you can install things on
15:49 < nmz787> com prompt?
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15:50 <@kanzure> there's this hyperterminal thing in windows that shows you what's being transmitted
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15:51 < nmz787> that's not default though
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16:48 <@kanzure> so.. who won the gada prize?
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16:55 < eudoxia> oh i totally forgot about that thing
16:58 <@kanzure> i've seen no announcements
16:59 <@kanzure> and nobody from either organization contacted me
16:59 < eudoxia> start bugging them
16:59 < eudoxia> or, not
16:59 <@kanzure> haha that would involve communicating with them
16:59 <@kanzure> yeah i'd rather not
16:59 < eudoxia> it's not like anyone will do anything
17:00 < eudoxia> what a bunch of useless organizations
17:00 <@kanzure> even with hundreds of reprap developpers jumping up and down.. nobody got that act together??
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18:01 < nmz787> kanzure when was that assaydepot sponsorship thing?
18:01 < nmz787> ahh mar and sept they closed
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18:15 < strangewarp> Hmmmm. My mother gave me a Precautionary Principle lecture about nootropics.
18:26 < abetusk> winning the gada prize proper is still a couple years away
18:27 <@kanzure> yes but in the "legal docs" i wrote i said that $20k was to be awarded by 2013-01-01
18:29 < abetusk> The award was to be handed out to the person closest to meeting the criteria?
18:30 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gadastuff/
18:31 < abetusk> so the board needs to come to a decision
18:31 <@kanzure> no, they were not in charge of the decision
18:31 <@kanzure> read the docs
18:34 < abetusk> under the gada prize doc, "End Game Scenario".  Isn't that the state it's in now?  No one has fulfilled the criteria and now the board need to come to a decision?
18:35 <@kanzure> i believe a few of the entries fulfilled the requirements
18:36 < abetusk> Are they open to the public?  Do you have a link?
18:36 <@kanzure> they are somewhere on reprap.org, i can never remember the url
18:39 < abetusk> I don't believe it
18:40 <@kanzure> http://google.com/search?q=site:reprap.org+gada+prize
18:40 < brownies> strangewarp: wtf is the precautionary principle?
18:41 <@kanzure> brownies: a sort of policy that groups of politicians like to use to argue that technology is evil
18:42 <@kanzure> or that any proposed technology will murder babies
18:42 < abetusk> I know how to google
18:43 <@kanzure> maybe it was deleted
18:43 <@kanzure> in that case you can use a backup of their wiki http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap/
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19:30 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:43 < JayDugger> Anyone here know of MicroFabLab (http://www.microfablab.com) by reputation, contact, or participation?
19:46 < JayDugger> A division of Potomac Photonics, per Google
19:49 < delinquentmee__> not me JayDugger ... I cant even seem to find a state / location
19:49 <@kanzure> can someone get me google glass?
19:49 <@kanzure> i wasn't mailed a copy
19:50 < delinquentmee__> 4445 Nicole Drive
19:50 < delinquentmee__> Lanham, MD 20706
19:50 < JayDugger> You found it.
19:51 < JayDugger> kanzure, do you look for the patents or did I miss some news while catching up on sleep today?
19:52 <@kanzure> google has emailed some initial programmers about availability
19:52 < JayDugger> Oh.
19:52 <@kanzure> i was not on this list
19:52 < JayDugger> I hadn't heard.
19:54 < delinquentmee__> you didnt get wan?
19:54 < delinquentmee__> they're mailing out the first round on the 20th
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20:50 < nmz787> JayDugger: microfablab.com looks OK, prices are pretty reasonable
20:51 < nmz787> just barely micro though
20:51 < abetusk> nmz787, hows the laser cutter coming?
20:58 < nmz787> bah, kinda of dropped it
20:58 < nmz787> i need to buy laser glasses to start anymore really
20:59 < nmz787> then I started to think I'm just gonna do lithography
20:59 < nmz787> i would like to try using CDROM  drives if I can focus the laser really well
20:59 < nmz787> I started playing with some pro optics modelling software
20:59 < nmz787> trying to model the edmund optics lenses that I was considering for the laser focus
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21:17 <@kanzure> weird seeing ieet picking up ellen's ted talk http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/comments/jorgensen20130117
21:19 <@kanzure> also another video http://vimeo.com/57536108 (this is the museum one that i groaned and complained about a month ago)
21:21 < yashgaroth> "watch the shadows of scientists play across the walls" wut
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21:47 < nmz787> kanzure: so it seems to not be an out-of-boc feature for fwplayer to play over ftp
21:48 < nmz787> i wonder if you think that would be possible, or some better soln
21:48 <@kanzure> you could potentially implement sftp over websockets, but i don't see why you need ftp in the first place?
21:49 < nmz787> for the s
21:49 <@kanzure> what do you have against installing software, again?
21:50 < nmz787> i supposed i might be able to make a skin for VLC
21:51 < nmz787> that would act like a media center for my dad
21:51 <@kanzure> why can't you just wipe windows off his computer
21:51 < nmz787> that wouldn't exactly make things easier for him
21:52 < nmz787> he probably wouldn't trust linuz
21:52 < nmz787> and bitch about it all the time to me
21:52 < nmz787> how i fucked up his computer
21:52 <@kanzure> maybe you should just get a better dad
21:52 < nmz787> (i always do that)
21:52 <@kanzure> hmm
21:52 < nmz787> lol
21:53 <@kanzure> oh weird i just got an email from kevin mitnick
21:53 < nmz787> nah i was just thinkin it would be nice for that jwplayer file to work over secure protocol
21:53 <@kanzure> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-January/007330.html
21:53 <@kanzure> mitnick in da house
21:55 <@kanzure> " If I were to write something like "this conference will coincide with the week celebrating Nikola Tesla Day, a global event for men in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics" it would sound preposterous"
21:55 <@kanzure> haha
21:56 <@kanzure> oh it's a lie
21:57 <@kanzure> how disappointing
21:59 < nmz787> so did he actually email you then?
22:00 <@kanzure> no he spoofed some headers methinks
22:00 <@kanzure> i mean, this not kevin person spoofed headers
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22:40 < abetusk> so are you guys still working on getting a microfluidic system running?
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22:41 < nmz787> yeah
22:41 < nmz787> i just applied to more school here
22:41 < abetusk> applied as in graduate school or applied as in post doc?
22:41 < nmz787> to get access to cool toys
22:41 < nmz787> phd in chem
22:42 < abetusk> what kind of detail are you looking to get for a microfluidic system?
22:43 < nmz787> well if its my phd project i will explore a bunch of stuff, from DIYable to nanofluidics
22:44 < nmz787> nanochannels allow gel-free separation of DNA based on size
22:45 < abetusk> hard to do at the DIY level
22:45 < nmz787> a master could be made pretty cheap and you can just stamp nanofeatures
22:46 < nmz787> like literally turn it upside down, pour degassed liquid silicone with crosslinker and let cure, peel off
22:46 < nmz787> repeat
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22:51 < brownies> nmz787: where at?
22:57 < nmz787> pdx.edu
22:57 < nmz787> portland Or
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22:59 <@kanzure> i should map a key straight to underscore. it's silly to have to press shift for that.
23:02 < joshcryer> Reverse map underscore maybe?
23:02 < joshcryer> Could take a little bit to get used to.
23:03 <@kanzure> nah, i use minus everywhere in my file system
23:03 <@kanzure> but python loves itself some underscores
23:03 < joshcryer> Same.
23:03 < joshcryer> Ahh, not a Python guy here. (Still haven't learned it, I know I should be ashamed.)
23:04 < nmz787> kanzure: can you tell me why this regex wont work =re.compile('(^.*)-[^-]*(\..*)'
23:04 <@kanzure> yes you are missing the closing paren
23:04 < nmz787> to remove the random chars before the file ext 'Van_Morrison_-_Wild_Night_1971-VX2_HahKoe4.flv'
23:05 <@kanzure> just find the last _
23:05 < nmz787> nah i just didnt copy it
23:05 < nmz787> it's not always there
23:05 <@kanzure> thing = thing[:thing.rfind("_")] + ".flv"
23:05 < nmz787> no dude
23:05 < nmz787> please man
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23:05 < nmz787> have you been sleeping much?
23:06 <@kanzure> you really don't like my answers huh
23:06 < nmz787> you seem to not be reading my statements today
23:06 <@kanzure> well i told you about the missing paren
23:06 < nmz787> i didnt ask for another solution, i asked why my solution wasnt working
23:06 < nmz787> and i told you that isnt the reason
23:07 < nmz787> i didn't copy it because the regex is the problem, not the function call
23:07 < nmz787> there was a , re.VERBOSE)
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