--- Log opened Sat Jan 19 00:00:34 2013 00:03 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:12 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-69-181-140-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:31 -!- mahoski_ [~mahoski@71-209-138-235.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:43 -!- GHill [abels@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-qnoghqjbeujmsngu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:45 <@kanzure> GHill: why were you asking about papers ? 00:45 < GHill> I'm just curious really. 00:46 < GHill> I have never read a paper before. I saw people ragging on news articles all the time that they're summarizing poorly... and recently I had the idea that I should consider reading them on my own 00:47 <@kanzure> fascinating concept 00:47 < GHill> But I wouldn't know where to begin. I wouldn't know where to find one that I could really understand (my math background is weak :\). 00:48 < GHill> Etc. etc. 00:48 <@kanzure> well, depends on your interestt 00:48 <@kanzure> -t 00:49 <@kanzure> i have everything from the mundane to the bizarre, 00:49 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/The%20mammary%20gland%20-%20bioreactor%20for%20the%20production%20of%20recombinant%20proteins.pdf 00:49 < GHill> Pretty broad! Not *too* deep in to biohacking, nootropics, etc. but something thought-provoking, interesting, and hopefully actually useful to me. Uhmm, something that would make the frontpage of HN and generate a lot of discussion? :) 00:50 < GHill> Yeah, that's too technical. My chemistry/psychology background is too weak to get much out of that. 00:51 <@kanzure> well if you look at it that way, even microwaving some milk is too technical: 00:51 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evidence%20for%20the%20absence%20of%20amino%20acid%20isomerization%20in%20microwave-heated%20milk%20and%20infant%20formulas.pdf 00:51 < GHill> According to a recent paper (Lubec et al., 1989) 00:51 < GHill> Hah 00:52 <@kanzure> time is relative in this channel 00:52 < GHill> Does seeing an older timestamp (let's say, pre-1990) make you more skeptical to what you're reading? 00:52 <@kanzure> no 00:53 < GHill> Is your state of mind generally skeptical when you're reading these papers? If the paper has been published in a less-prestigious journal, does it make you more skeptical? 00:54 <@kanzure> i rarely look at the name of the journal unless by accident 00:54 < GHill> I ask because I recall seeing an article on HN recently that talked about this... the disappointingly rampant culture of fudging numbers in papers 00:54 <@kanzure> most papers are crap, but there are details that are worth learning about 00:54 <@kanzure> review articles tend to be less full of crap 00:54 < GHill> 'Review articles'? 00:55 < GHill> (Btw, this is interseting: http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_battling_bad_science.html -- you've probably seen it?) 00:55 <@kanzure> no i try to avoid ted.com crap 00:56 <@kanzure> yes, like here's a review exploring the ampa receptor in neurons: 00:56 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Review%20-%202007%20-%20AMPA%20receptor%20trafficking.pdf 00:56 <@kanzure> or in particular their "trafficking" (expression and regulation of such) 00:56 < GHill> Huh? Ted.com is crap? Dr. Goldacre is a highly reputed professor at Univ. of Oxford, and he caused quite a stir earlier last year for uncovering lots of messy details about bad science 00:57 < GHill> That ted.com video is very well worth watching, I promise 00:57 <@kanzure> ted.com takes an excruciatingly long time to deliver anything new to your eyeballs, most of the stuff they publish is old and trite 00:58 <@kanzure> i am offended that you would think i wouldn't know goldacre if it weren't for ted.com 00:58 < GHill> (Good thing Dr. Goldacre talks so fast! :)) 00:58 <@kanzure> ted.com is probably okay if you've been living under a rock for 20 years though 00:59 < GHill> What is your background? Did you do doctrate work in some psychology-related field? 00:59 <@kanzure> it was always amusing how much they wanted to be "edge.org but with moving pictures" :p (guess brockman couldn't arrange that, huh) 00:59 <@kanzure> no, i dropped out of college to argue on irc 01:00 < GHill> Well, it's interesting you say that so bluntly 01:00 < GHill> Do you feel it was a beneficial and productive choice? 01:00 <@kanzure> ys 01:00 <@kanzure> yes 01:00 < GHill> Wow 01:01 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:01 < GHill> To what end is it productive? 01:02 < brownies> he has an honorary masters degree from Freenode International University 01:02 <@kanzure> less of my time is spent working on classes 01:03 <@kanzure> in fact, zero of my time is spent on classes now 01:03 < brownies> and iirc he's also an ordained reverend 01:03 < nsh> topic? 01:03 <@kanzure> brownies: dude you don't have to tell my life story to everyone that you meet 01:03 < brownies> haha. you're right. i'm sorry. 01:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03 < GHill> I don't mind, I like getting to know people's back stories. :) 01:04 <@kanzure> you disgust me 01:04 < GHill> Really? Why? 01:04 <@kanzure> hahah 01:04 < brownies> too many emoticons 01:04 < brownies> shows weakness. 01:04 < GHill> Expressiveness improves communication 01:04 <@kanzure> are you just asking questions to ask questions 01:05 < GHill> Forgive me that I slided down to a path of asking useless questions, I'm too sleepy to get into reading research papers at this point, is the problem. :) 01:07 <@kanzure> brownies: what are you doing awake? 01:09 < brownies> kanzure: coding 01:10 <@kanzure> brownies: i had another one of those "write some code for a few hours, but it runs perfectly the first time" moments 01:10 <@kanzure> i was expecting at least 30min of debugging on this one :\ 01:16 < brownies> kanzure: always nice when that happens 01:22 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:50 -!- GHill [abels@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-qnoghqjbeujmsngu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:55 -!- mahoski_ [~mahoski@71-209-138-235.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the 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[~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 -!- Urchin[Emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nn.3295.html 11:15 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nn.3295.pdf 11:17 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:19 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:21 -!- EnLilaSko- [~Nattzor@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 <@kanzure> what how is that unauthorized 11:22 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nn.3295.pdf 11:22 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6c2cf946039e318af63ff057f7ed92bb.txt 11:22 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:22 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@gateway/tor-sasl/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:22 <@kanzure> .. oh. 11:25 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 <@kanzure> gene_hacker: sup? 11:59 < gene_hacker> sup 11:59 <@kanzure> k 12:16 <@kanzure> nmz787: we should probably update the diybio faq with the new suppliers (like openbiotech) 12:16 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 < gene_hacker> what are you working on? 12:24 <@kanzure> top secret stuff 12:25 < gene_hacker> it can't be anymore topsecret than what I'm working on 12:25 < gene_hacker> did I tell you about the aliens we got yesterday 12:25 < gene_hacker> WOOPS 12:25 < gene_hacker> oh shit, you aren't supposed to know about that 12:26 < gene_hacker> actually, the stuff I'm working on, will hopefully be opensource someday 12:26 < gene_hacker> if you haven't already, I highly encourage you to sign up for the DARPA FANG challenge 12:26 < gene_hacker> they 12:27 < gene_hacker> have some pretty interesting software up for download 12:27 <@kanzure> are you still at ut austin? 12:29 < gene_hacker> yeah 12:33 < gene_hacker> anyway check out the software I mentioned, supposed to make it easy enough for your average joe to design a tank 12:34 < gene_hacker> but, it could probably be used for other stuff to, like other really complicated mechanical systems and whatnot 12:37 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:48 -!- strages_home [~strages@adsl-98-67-106-253.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 < nmz787> kanzure: do you know of any open calls for synBio related grants? 12:52 < nmz787> or gene therapy? 12:52 <@kanzure> no. ask john cumbers. 12:59 -!- EnLilaSko- is now known as EnLilaSko 12:59 -!- EnLilaSko 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14:21 < balrog> 404 14:22 <@kanzure> eh once more 14:22 < balrog> qutemol-stuff.txt is blank 14:23 <@kanzure> wtf 14:23 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/qutemol-stuff.txt 14:23 <@kanzure> so now it works? am i making a typo somewhere? 14:24 <@kanzure> oh i forgot the e. i see. 14:24 <@kanzure> right, so, qutemol != qutemole 14:28 <@kanzure> ah.. here we go: 14:29 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/snapshots/QuteMolX_0.5.1_20080512.tar.gz 14:30 <@kanzure> ok posted: https://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev/t/fa63ab1e2a757241 14:48 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/19551404514.html;jsessionid=66169BB54AF0849AF73D79547BA8CB4B?gitCommit=4.13.16-2-g77374b3 14:48 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d18b139a3583e8c14ff6eb7615f8bb03.txt 14:49 < nmz787> hmm 14:49 < nmz787> i don't even know how to get this 14:51 < nmz787> paperbot: 14:51 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01551a070 14:51 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Manual%20of%20Paper%20Chromatography%20and%20Paper%20Electrophoresis.pdf 14:54 < nmz787> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01624a094 14:54 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20Manual%20of%20Paper%20Chromatography%20and%20Paper%20Electrophoresis..pdf 14:55 < nmz787> kanzure: see the above double period in the file_ext (link works when i remove one) 14:55 < nmz787> also works with 2 14:55 < nmz787> oh 14:55 <@kanzure> the link works when you remove one because the previous attempt created the file name with only one period 14:55 -!- wizrobe [~aserid@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:56 < nmz787> well they're two different articles 14:57 <@kanzure> there's a period in the title of the second one, which is why the filename ends up with two periods. 14:57 <@kanzure> yes, paperbot doesn't check for previously existing files in my ~/public_html/papers2/paperbot/ 14:57 < nmz787> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ange.19550671421/abstract 14:57 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/364967132746e5062defd26ee3724547.txt 14:58 < nmz787> cool well it seems to have worked fine, adding a period is as good as adding (1) or (2) at the end 14:58 <@kanzure> gene_hacker: how is matt campbell? 14:59 -!- Charlie_ [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 15:00 -!- Charlie [~quassel@64.31.59.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 -!- Charlie is now known as Guest26301 15:10 -!- yorick_ [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13 -!- yorick_ is now known as yorick 15:29 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33 -!- d3nd3 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translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3ea5b3a8e6204a797b8a76f7929a61cb.txt 17:24 < cathalgarvey> <- Is shameless at this hour of the night 17:25 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369526600001631 17:25 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9d5742b3263a1b3c7e97fc874a9e3e85.txt 17:25 < cathalgarvey> Nuts, ah well 17:25 < cathalgarvey> Sorry to pollute the channel there! ;) 17:26 < yashgaroth> I can DCC the article to you or something 17:26 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 < cathalgarvey> Hey Yashgaroth, not that big a deal 17:27 < cathalgarvey> I was just curious to see the biosynthetic pathway graph in the article, to compare to the shortcut used in golden rice 17:27 < cathalgarvey> Thanks though! :) 17:29 < yashgaroth> paperbot: http://pdn.sciencedirect.com.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=272018&_user=1694017&_pii=S1369526600001631&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=2001--01&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLzVBA-zSkzV&md5=f79967701419d948f8f1a1a9ca87b105&pid=1-s2.0-S1369526600001631-main.pdf 17:29 < paperbot> SSLError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:504: error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 632, in send) 17:29 < yashgaroth> wha 17:29 < cathalgarvey> Lol 17:29 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:30 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: that had proxy.lib.pdx.edu in it 17:30 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://pdn.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=272018&_user=1694017&_pii=S1369526600001631&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=2001--01&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLzVBA-zSkzV&md5=f79967701419d948f8f1a1a9ca87b105&pid=1-s2.0-S1369526600001631-main.pdf 17:30 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bb504dd855f95c94b67523aa7de3e253.pdf 17:30 < yashgaroth> oh uh right how did that happen 17:30 <@kanzure> there you go 17:31 <@kanzure> "Carotenoid biosynthesis in flowering plants" 17:31 <@kanzure> science! 17:31 <@kanzure> cathalgarvey: are you gunning to be the martha stewart of potted biology 17:33 <@kanzure> don't answer that 17:33 < cathalgarvey> :D 17:33 < cathalgarvey> Thanks! 17:33 < cathalgarvey> Nah, have a lecture to give on Monday as a guest, at a design/synbio module in Dublin 17:34 < cathalgarvey> part of the stuff I'd like to cover is a recap of the synbio "thing", and adaptation of genetic systems is one of the core features 17:34 < cathalgarvey> golden rice is a nice example, using ctrl as a shortcut to the end of a biosynthetic chain that takes plants much longer to accomplish 17:34 < cathalgarvey> ..so I just wanted to see how many steps it skips! :) 17:35 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=cf7c1b78 Bryan Bishop: auto-remove proxy.lib.pdx.edu from urls 17:35 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 17:35 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2013-01-20 01:35:27) 17:36 < cathalgarvey> Bo-ring, it only skips one step via Zeta-Carotene. Still, nice example of adaptation and crossover in genetics 17:36 < cathalgarvey> Thanks! :) 17:36 < cathalgarvey> Gotta run, it's hella late and I gotta get slides made. You guys rock! 17:37 -!- cathalgarvey [~cathalgar@80.79.120.24] has left ##hplusroadmap ["zing"] 17:38 <@kanzure> publishers have terrible url structures 17:38 <@kanzure> someone should sell schools a publisher url shortener "BUT WITH SCIENCE STATS THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE IN GRANT APPLICATIONS" 17:40 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 < rigel> hey 17:45 <@kanzure> hello 17:45 < rigel> so there are some folks working on redrafting the computer fraud and abuse act 17:46 < rigel> http://ie1.shell.thequux.com/wiki/start 17:46 < rigel> if yall are interested in that at all 18:18 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:24 < juri_> computer fraud and abuse? sounds like one hell of a party. 18:24 < juri_> i'll bet they party harder than the bureau of tobacco and fire arms. 18:35 < rigel> juri_: this is the law that aaron swartz was charged under 18:36 < rigel> as well as people like aurenheimer (who is a colossal ass, but all he did was increment some urls) 18:53 <@kanzure> url guessing is illegal too? 18:53 <@kanzure> doesn't that make the lottery illegal? 19:06 < juri_> doesn't that make web-crawlers illegal? ;) 19:08 <@kanzure> why is that surprising? i thought they always claimed that. 19:14 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33 < strangewarp> Talking with normal people about thorium reactors makes me want to live in a cave 19:34 <@kanzure> a batcave? 19:34 < juri_> s/about thorium reactors// 19:34 < strangewarp> hermit cave, or possibly caveman cave 19:36 <@kanzure> because hermit caves have thorium reactors ? 19:36 < nmz787> a wind cave? 19:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 -!- Hu_Meanan [~quassel@199.48.197.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05 -!- Hu_Meanan [~quassel@199.48.197.18] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:06 -!- sylph_mako [~mako@103-9-42-1.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- augur [~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:09 -!- gene_hacker_ [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:12 -!- gene_hacker_ is now known as gene_hacker 21:30 -!- archbox_ [~archbox@unaffiliated/archbox] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:31 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:51 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:08 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 22:13 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokemon-prism 23:05 -!- lord_hackr [~lord_hack@81.17.27.234] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:14 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:17 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-84-191.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 < rigel> what "normal person" talks about thorium reactors? 23:43 -!- lord_hackr [~lord_hack@81.17.27.234] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Sun Jan 20 00:00:35 2013