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00:34 < BioGuy> nmz787, was AFK, still there?
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00:52 < nmz787> BioGuy: yes
00:53 < nmz787> sorry, the window doesn't blink on activity
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00:54 < BioGuy> No worries, your the one that posted on the PDX hackerspace group a little bit ago right?
00:55 < BioGuy> This is you, right? https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/pdx-diybioscitechthink/REqrItwgP6g
01:01 < nmz787> yes
01:01 < nmz787> doesn't it link to my profile somehow?
01:01 < nmz787> to show nmz787?
01:02 < nmz787> anyway, yes, how are you tonight/
01:03 < klafka> bored!
01:03 < strangewarp> Accelerando had a good beginning and a boring ending
01:04 < BioGuy> Not bad, looking at openspectrometer.com
01:04 < BioGuy> Your out in Hillsboro?
01:13 < BioGuy> Just out of curiosity, anything specific make you want to use the propeller microcontroller?
01:14 < nmz787> yeah it's got 8 cores
01:14 < nmz787> makes glue logic pretty easy
01:15 < nmz787> otherwise i'd need to learn how to prog a FPGA or CPLD
01:15 < nmz787> which would prob take a year at least
01:15 < nmz787> well maybe 3 mo
01:16 < nmz787> but overall that would be less hackable for most ppl
01:16 < archels> Why not an off-the-shelf ARM processor?
01:16 < BioGuy> We should try and meetup sometime. I'm pretty close to Hillsboro - right in Beaverton
01:16 < nmz787> archels: not multi-core
01:16 < klafka> strangewarp: it's hard to end that
01:17 < archels> nmz787: it's easy to make it multitask
01:17 < nmz787> hard to make things happen at the same time
01:17 < nmz787> you'd need a scheduler though
01:19 < archels> yep, there's a lot of code out there that you can reuse though.
01:20 < archels> the Propellor may lead to a simpler programming model for, well, the programmer, but isn't it hugely overpowered for your application?
01:21 < BioGuy> nmz787 You have a lab set up out in Hillsboro?
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01:21 < nmz787> archels: easy is good in this case
01:22 < nmz787> BioGuy: yeah i'm collaborating with a micromilling company
01:22 < archels> heh, okay
01:22  * archels can get a little perfectionistic at times
01:23 < BioGuy> You need to pay rent?
01:26 < nmz787> BioGuy: you got work for me?
01:27 < BioGuy> Haha, no just wondering what the cost was for your workspace out there
01:27 < nmz787> there are always expenses... school loans are coming to be due
01:28 < nmz787> ahh, nothing too certain right now, it's on a casual basis since their lab is pretty underused
01:28 < BioGuy> You still going to school or working in Hillsboro?
01:28 < nmz787> I started a class at PSU downtown, but it was too early and I couldn't concentrate on the homework
01:29 < nmz787> I spend most of my time reading about things related in any way to microfluidics and DNA synthesis/manipulation
01:29 < nmz787> i am trying to learn to use kicad now
01:30 < nmz787> to makea board for openspectrometer
01:32 < abetusk> I'm learning KiCAD too
01:32 < BioGuy> I'm just finishing up my bioscience technology associates at PCC, but I definitely want to meet people interested in DIYBio
01:32 < nmz787> BioGuy: i got some work earlier this month doing some biotech consulting
01:33 < nmz787> it would be nice to drum up more of that
01:33 < nmz787> BioGuy: cool, seriously please shoot me an email if you hear of work
01:34 < nmz787> science, electronics, programming
01:34 < nmz787> digging ditches
01:34 < BioGuy> LOL!
01:34 < nmz787> chainsawing trees, digging trail
01:34 < nmz787> engine repair
01:34 < nmz787> welding
01:35 < BioGuy> Have you taken a look at Kelly Scientific?
01:35 < nmz787> no
01:35 < jrayhawk> professional tree removal looked like one hell of a lot of fun
01:35 <@kanzure> professional tree killer
01:36 < nmz787> i like trail work
01:36 < nmz787> away from the commoners
01:36 <@kanzure> commoners..?
01:36 < nmz787> most wild nature doesn't fuck with you too much
01:37 < nmz787> yeah, i'm kind of a shut-in nerd computer type
01:37 <@kanzure> i have a strong negative reaction to anyone who is espousing that others are lessers
01:37 < BioGuy> nmz787 Do you have your bachelors and working towards your graduates degree right now?
01:37 < nmz787> i'm not saying that
01:38 < nmz787> i'm saying i don't mesh well with them
01:38 < nmz787> BioGuy: no i suck at school and need 3 classes to graduate with a bachelors
01:38 < nmz787> they will probably take me another year to finish
01:38 < nmz787> i really just want to make microfluidics
01:39 < nmz787> and it's been eating away at me
01:39 < nmz787> so i need to try it and succeed or fail, to move on
01:39 < nmz787> hah
01:40 < nmz787> but school helped me get here, so i can't be too upset with school
01:40 < BioGuy> I had to bail this term myself, just need one more class to hurry up and get my associates.
01:40 < nmz787> it's not the learning, it's more the way the system is setup
01:40 < nmz787> that i have trouble with
01:41 < nmz787> BioGuy: I'm gonna go drop in on a company I want to try and get a job with
01:41 < nmz787> BioGuy: in beaverton
01:41 < nmz787> BioGuy: so maybe afterwards we can meet up
01:41 < nmz787> BioGuy: which day and time is best for you?
01:41 < BioGuy> I'm kind of feeling the same way. In my program we actually did the work so I enjoyed it. But when I tried to go back taking the regular classes to work towards my bachelors I got really bored. Its really frustrating for me to read about lots of things but not actually DO anything with it.
01:43 < BioGuy> Well, since I had to drop my classes this term the only thing I really have on my schedule is to go back to a guy I used to drive cars around for and see if he needs any extra help. Other than that my schedule is really wide open for the time being.
01:44 < nmz787> ahh
01:44 < nmz787> well shoot me a text tomorrow when you're bored 412-677-8207
01:48 < BioGuy> Alright sounds good. What time you going to that company in Beaverton? I also have a bunch of lab chemistry lab gear out at the Portland hackerspace and a few reagents too. They're all really into mostly computer stuff though. I think it would be cool to find someone who wants to tinker with bio / chemistry
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01:55 < BioGuy> Bah! I wish LibreOffice had a better UI
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01:57 < nmz787> BioGuy: hmm
01:57 < nmz787> depends when i get to bed
01:58 < nmz787> i woke up today at 3pm
02:01 < BioGuy> I'm no good with IRC how do I send you a private msg?
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02:03 < nmz787> slash q nick
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02:08 < nmz787> i think
02:08 < nmz787> that might not work
02:08 < BioGuy> ...I dont think it did...I'll just email you, its nmz787@gmail.com right?
02:08 < nmz787> yea
02:09 < BioGuy> oh wait...
02:09 < ManaLord> http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
02:10 < archels> on freenode, you need to have a registered nickname in order to privmsg someone
02:11 < ManaLord> oh... I'm also new to IRC...
02:11 < archels> welcome! :)
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02:19 < archels> paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=227545
02:19 <@paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f05e72503d68336430aef486bdcae43a.txt
02:20 < BioGuy> nmz787 did you get that msg?
02:20 < BioGuy> Wheres everyone else from
02:22 < ManaLord> oh, I am welcome, I see, thank you archels... I was afk...
02:24 < nmz787> BioGuy: yeah i see it
02:31 < nmz787> BioGuy: jrayhawk is also in the area, we go climbing at the rock gym every once in a while
02:31 < nmz787> jrayhawk: is pretty much interested in DIYbio when it comes to his own biome
02:32 < BioGuy> Thats right I remember now. How did you meet him? You guys know each other before coming out to Hillsboro?
02:32 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com.proxy.lib.pdx.edu/doi/pdf/10.1080/01635589709514521
02:32 < nmz787> BioGuy: through this room
02:32 <@paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/70ef3b455c7ff4bcc04334d138c74196.pdf
02:35 < nmz787> BioGuy:otherwise not really
02:35 < BioGuy> What part of town does he live in?
02:37 < BioGuy> I just got really tired...lets try and meetup tomorrow
02:37 < BioGuy> night all
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03:23 < nmz787> kanzure: just stuck an LED in that projector and confirmed the DLP and input processing is working
03:24 < nmz787> kanzure: but i would still like you to buy another one, as this one is missing a lens that i have to figure out how to work around
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04:05 < archels> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.pc.35.100184.000451
04:05 <@paperbot> PDFNotImplementedError: Unsupported predictor: 15 (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pdfminer/pdftypes.py", line 239, in decode)
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07:15 <@kanzure> what the fuck is a PDFNotImplementedError
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07:45 <@kanzure> "James D. Watson, Alexander Gann, and Jan Witkowski, Editors, The Annotated and Illustrated Double Helix (Simon and Schuster, New York; 2012)."
07:46 <@kanzure> wasn't this published in 1968?
07:46 <@kanzure> i think watson might be milking it a bit much
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08:00 <@kanzure> "Watson was even quoted as calling Venter "Hitler"."
08:00 < nsh> lol
08:00 < nsh> IBM?
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08:02 <@kanzure> "Watson left the Genome Project after conflicts with the new NIH Director, Bernadine Healy. Watson was opposed to Healy's attempts to acquire patents on gene sequences, and any ownership of the "laws of nature.""
08:02 <@kanzure> ""The nations of the world must see that the human genome belongs to the world's people, as opposed to its nations." He left within weeks of the 1992 announcement that the NIH would be applying for patents on brain-specific cDNAs.[43]"
08:02 <@kanzure> nsh: the other watson.
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08:05 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=05669229 Bryan Bishop: catch PDFNotImplementedErrors
08:05 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
08:05 <@paperbot> gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-02-11 16:05:41)
08:07 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.pc.35.100184.000451
08:07 <@paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Dielectric%20Properties%20of%20Polyelectrolyte%20Solutions.pdf
08:07 <@kanzure> archels: there you go.
08:07 <@kanzure> eww look at that watermark.
08:09 < nsh> in my head it was pretty funny that IBM sent Watson to college
08:09 < nsh> and he became politicised
08:09 < nsh> and started comparing people to hitler
08:12 <@kanzure> if anyone feels like fixing those watermarks, here's samples:
08:12 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/19
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08:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you have a email for juul?
08:23 <@kanzure> Marc Juul <marcjc@gmail.com>
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09:22 < nmz787> kanzure: can you check to see if that other projector is still available
09:22 < nmz787> and if so grab if for me
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10:02 < archels> kanzure: <3
10:03 < klafka> man i can't believe in the end i had to use savemat
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10:03 < klafka> and save things in matlab format
10:03 < klafka> because fuck you cPickle
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10:47 < ThomasEgi> who uses cpickle?
10:47 < ThomasEgi> i mean it's like.. whoho! free security holes!
10:49 < chris_99> hehe
10:50 < BioGuy> Anyone know of a decent entry level CAD program for someone who's never done CAD before?
10:50 < BioGuy> for linux
10:52 < klafka> ThomasEgi: numpy.savez
10:52 < klafka> ThomasEgi: people use pickle and cPickle for serializing objects to file
10:52 < klafka> not for streaming or whatever
10:52 < klafka> also i think json.dump does as well
10:54 <@kanzure> BioGuy: brlcad
10:55 < ThomasEgi> isnt brlcad pretty difficult to learn?
10:55 <@kanzure> nope
10:55 <@kanzure> klafka: pickle is full of terrible security holes. so is yaml.
10:55 < ThomasEgi> klafka, i usualy use struct. ways more secure
10:55 <@kanzure> if you need something that is transfer-efficient, i would recommend protobufs.
10:56 < BioGuy> Thanks Kanzure, taking a look now
10:56 < klafka> i'm just using the scipy.io.savemat function now
10:56 < klafka> so it's storingit in the .mat format
10:56 < klafka> i know htat can handle big files
11:05 < BioGuy> kanzure: Do you know if with BRL-CAD if you can apply material properties and simulate how environmental factors will affect whatever your making?
11:06 < BioGuy> or do material properties only affect 3d rendering?
11:14 < harrymarv> freecad is the best entry level i rekon
11:15 < harrymarv> FreeCAD: An Open Source parametric 3D CAD modeler
11:16 < harrymarv> Free - BSD, Linux, Mac OS, Windows
11:17 < harrymarv> FreeCAD is aimed directly at mechanical engineering and product design but also fits in a wider range of uses around engineering, such as architecture or other engineering specialties
11:17 < harrymarv> FreeCAD features tools similar to CATIA, Creo, Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks or Solid Edge, and therefore also falls into the category of MCAD, PLM, CAx and CAE.
11:18 < harrymarv> can be used with all the 3d rendering software aswell
11:19 < BioGuy> Ya Im looking at FreeCAD too right now
11:20 < harrymarv> (like Blender. maya, 3ds Max or Cinema 4D)
11:20 < harrymarv> FreeCAD is intended to make use of other open-source libraries from the field of Scientific Computing. Among them are Open CASCADE (a CAD kernel), Coin3D (an incarnation of Open Inventor), the Qt GUI Framework, and Python, a popular scripting language.
11:23 < harrymarv> Open CASCADE Technology (OCCT) for 3D surface and solid modeling, visualization, data exchange and rapid application development
11:23 < harrymarv> SALOME - free software that provides a generic platform for Pre- and Post-Processing for numerical simulation
11:25 <@kanzure> opencascade is a dead-end because their source code is unmaintainable
11:25 <@kanzure> salome is just them trying to reuse their source code
11:26 <@kanzure> freecad is just a qt front-end to opencascade, so it suffers all of the limitations of opencascade.
11:26 <@kanzure> in addition, opencascade itself has licensing issues because its owners are dickfaces and confused.
11:27 < harrymarv> Aerodynamic flows over the Formula One car
11:27 <@kanzure> what about it
11:27 < harrymarv> Open CASCADE Technology is a software development platform freely available in open source. It includes C++ components for 3D surface and solid modeling, visualization, data exchange and rapid application development.
11:28 <@kanzure> it's like you're not listening
11:29 < harrymarv> software development facilities were sold to Dassault Systemes, editor of competing CATIA. Next year Matra Datavision decided to publish its CAS.CADE infrastructure under an Open Source model and renamed it Open CASCADE
11:29 <@kanzure> CERN was using CASCADE for a few years.
11:29 < harrymarv> buy catia then
11:29 <@kanzure> buying catia doesn't give you a good open source solution, sadly
11:30 < harrymarv> catia is $10,000
11:30 <@kanzure> so what
11:30 < harrymarv> per workstation
11:30 < harrymarv> or get freecad for free
11:30 <@kanzure> there's a torrent, or you could just pay $10,000 you know.
11:30 <@kanzure> freecad is sort of a dead-end because opencascade is unmaintainable.
11:30 < harrymarv> thats your choice
11:30 <@kanzure> no, it wasn't my choice that it is unmaintainable
11:30 <@kanzure> wtf dude
11:31 < harrymarv> catia or freecad with simlar functionaly, your choice
11:31 <@kanzure> anyone who has used freecad knows how often it crashes from segmentation faults and null pointers.
11:32 < harrymarv> or get autocad anf pay about $2000 with less functionality
11:32 <@kanzure> autocad is not open source either
11:32 < harrymarv> than freecad or catia
11:32 <@kanzure> i think i hate you
11:33 < harrymarv> or u can get a demo of solidworks
11:33 <@kanzure> harrymarv: conversations go much better if you try to read and understand other people's messages
11:33 <@kanzure> harrymarv: solidworks is not open source either.
11:34 < harrymarv> id say freecad being free and the mostr functional makes it the best
11:34 <@kanzure> BioGuy: i haven't used anything in brlcad about materials, sorry.
11:34 <@kanzure> harrymarv: it's really not that great, though. have you read the opencascade source code for freecad, or have you tried to make a patch?
11:34 < harrymarv> did i say solidworks was open source, no i didnt
11:34 <@kanzure> we were talking about open source cad programs
11:35 < harrymarv> i said u can get a demo
11:35 < ThomasEgi> how about medusa4? it's not open source but free of cost and comes with a linux version
11:35 <@kanzure> and then you start bringing up catia and autodesk and solidworks, which aren't contenders in that category
11:35 < harrymarv> ok freecad then is the best open source cad period
11:35 <@kanzure> heekscad seemed less crashy than freecad to me, plus it was based on the same library that freecad uses.
11:36 <@kanzure> brlcad is by far the best because of their stubborn refusal to compromise on quality, maintainability, testing and awesomeness.
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11:36 < BioGuy> harrymarv Why are you not considering BRL-CAD as an option?
11:36 <@kanzure> the only downside to brlcad is that it doesn't support nurbs geometry at the moment (other than some very primitive operations), but most people don't need that.
11:38 <@kanzure> at the very least, brlcad blows openscad out of the water.
11:38 < harrymarv> its upto you, they are similar, i think freecad is easier to learn thats all
11:38 <@kanzure> or bulldozes. insert appropriate metaphor.
11:38 < harrymarv> they will function equally well
11:38 <@kanzure> learning freecad is sorta useless, because the core functionality will never improve.
11:39 < harrymarv> try them both out
11:39 <@kanzure> i have, fuck you for assuming otherwise
11:39 < harrymarv> and choose as you wish
11:39 <@kanzure> choices should be informed
11:39 <@kanzure> you are just spreading disinformation
11:40 <@kanzure> also, nothing i have said is about the usability of freecad and i don't see how you could conclude otherwise from my messages.
11:41 <@kanzure> ah wait, that was in response to BioGuy asking about your choice to not try brlcad
11:41 <@kanzure> ok sorry, you didn't say i said something about usability.
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11:43 < harrymarv> id choose bricad if ur doing very advanced stuff like engineering a plane then sure
11:43 < harrymarv> if u want simple thou i still think freecsad has the edge
11:43 <@kanzure> brlcad is also very effective for basic parts.
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11:46 < harrymarv> also if you want to do archtecture or floorplans, sketchup 8 is good for that
11:46 < harrymarv> or metropix
11:46 <@kanzure> harrymarv: who are you
11:48 < harrymarv> im the Overman,friedrich nietzsche talked about
11:50 < harrymarv> You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist
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11:50 < Urchin[Emacs]> finally
11:55 < BioGuy> So after you create something in BRL-CAD is it a relatively simple process to print out 2D plans with dimensions to actually make your design?
11:57 <@kanzure> dunno.
11:57 < ThomasEgi> to make your design? from a 2d plan?... that's so the late 19th century
11:58 <@kanzure> also, for the record, harrymarv was kicked because of his weird identity issues and multi-opinionism crap, not because of freecad. in case anyone asks.
11:58 < ThomasEgi> today, most companies making stuff work on cad data exclusively.
12:01 < BioGuy> Except I'm an individual not a company with access to really expensive equipment. I need plans to work from once I'm done designing it on the compy
12:02 < ThomasEgi> well. guess that's ok for simpler stuff.
12:02 < ThomasEgi> how bout medusa then?
12:03 < ThomasEgi> it seemed fairly easy to use from a first glance.
12:03 < ThomasEgi> had a bit of trouble getting it to run on 64bit tho.
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12:05 < nmz787> how do i throw an error in python
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12:06 < nmz787> ahh raise
12:07 <@kanzure> raise Exception("yo dawg, i heard you..")
12:07 < ThomasEgi> zombie python... raise!
12:07 < nmz787> what error should i raise if some numbers dont match?
12:08 < BioGuy> Maybe MEDUSA4 Personal is more what I'm looking for.
12:08 < nmz787> what error should i raise if some numbers dont match?
12:08 < nmz787> whops
12:08 < nmz787> NotImplementedError: MAX_NUCLEOTIDES_RESOLVED is less than the DNA sequence length
12:08 < nmz787> w/e
12:10 < nmz787> so i talked to samtec about connectors for circuit boards for 50 minutes
12:10 < nmz787> i never knew connectors could be so complicated
12:10 <@kanzure> you mean die packaging?
12:11 < nmz787> nah a surface mount to connector platic thingamajig
12:11 < nmz787> which you can then insert a cable with a mating connector
12:12 < nmz787> this kind of connector
12:12 < nmz787> https://www.samtec.com/technical-specifications/Default.aspx?SeriesMaster=QSH-DP
12:12 < nmz787> going to this kind of cable https://www.samtec.com/technical-specifications/Default.aspx?SeriesMaster=QSH-DP
12:13 < nmz787> i want to separate the DLP section of the projector from the control board, so it's lighter and easier to mount on the microscope
12:13 < nmz787> 40 pins X 2 rows at 0.5mm pitch.. ThomasEgi is that doable by hand?
12:14 < nmz787> ThomasEgi: I have solderpaste, desolder pump, solder wick....
12:14 < nmz787> hot air rework
12:15 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, if it's pins. and not just pads. yeah. with a bit of practice and a bit solder flux that should be ok
12:16 < nmz787> cool, let's see if they send me free samples :P
12:16 < nmz787> they said they make all the cables special order
12:16 < ThomasEgi> emphasis on _a bit of practice_
12:17 < nmz787> ok
12:17 < nmz787> i'll have to find some junk to take apart
12:17 < ThomasEgi> getting a breakout board for it would be easier
12:18 < ThomasEgi> or getting a DLP element withouth the projector would be even better
12:18 < ThomasEgi> i think texas instruments sells DLP evaluation kits
12:19 < BioGuy> kanzure out of curiosity what do you use BRL-CAD for?
12:20 <@kanzure> the last major project i did with brlcad was a microfluidic cell sorter/separator
12:20 < nmz787> ThomasEgi: i could just not unlink the two boards
12:20 < nmz787> and build a beefier mount
12:21 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, i don't know your boards and the signals.
12:22 < nmz787> ThomasEgi: took apart a commercial DLP projector
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12:28 < harrymarv> What is the best operating system on the planet?
12:28 < harrymarv> no your wrong
12:29 < ThomasEgi> http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/misc-are-you-fucking-kidding-me-clean-l.png
12:30 < ThomasEgi> besides. it's "you'r wrong"
12:30 < harrymarv> the best os is classified so whichever os you think of is wrong
12:31 < ThomasEgi> sometimes i wish stupidity would be classified,too. but then. a sad and unrealistic wish
12:31 < harrymarv> the Best os right now is the latest version of INTEGRITY
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12:32 < harrymarv> made by greenhills software
12:35 < harrymarv> only available to us military customers
12:36 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, i tend to rarely agree with you.. but this time... i totaly do.
12:37 < harrymarv> what does kanzure know about anything at all
12:38 < harrymarv> kanzure what is the designation number of the most powerful rocket engine ever made?
12:40 < BioGuy> strange
12:42 < chris_99> ThomasEgi, have you used a PT100?
12:43 < harrymarv> il give you an easier one
12:43 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, nope. they were not suited for my uses
12:43 < ThomasEgi> but they are pretty easy to handle
12:43 < chris_99> is it simply a case of using them like a thermistor
12:44 < BioGuy> Oh good God! I cant believe its already nearly 1pm
12:44 < ThomasEgi> usualy they are used in a wheatstone bridge
12:44 < BioGuy> nmz787 Did you make it out to Beaverton?
12:45 < harrymarv> how and why does the russia fgfa jetfighter have twice the thrust of a US F35 jetfighter?
12:49 < harrymarv> so u give up
12:50 < harrymarv> i knew u didnt know alot
12:53 < harrymarv> who made the longest range, bvr missiles in history in the world?
12:55 < nmz787> BioGuy: nah
12:55 < nmz787> not today
12:56 < BioGuy> Feel like meeting up for lunch? I can head out towards Hillsboro too
12:57 < nmz787> hmm, i haven't slept, so i might not be in the best state
12:57 < harrymarv> what is a RS-24 Yars?
12:58 < strangewarp> memorizing data is not the same thing as having useful skills
12:58 < strangewarp> sorry
12:58 < strangewarp> :x
12:59 < nmz787> kanzure: ping
12:59 < harrymarv> YOU HAVE USEFUL SKILLS SUCH AS....?
13:00 < ThomasEgi> such as kicking you off the channel. indeed.
13:00 < harrymarv> SKILLS MY ARSE
13:01 < harrymarv> such as.....
13:02 < BioGuy> nmz787 You've been awake since last night?
13:02 < nmz787> BioGuy: yes
13:03 < harrymarv> do u have the best 0day exloits code?
13:03 < nmz787> i only awoke yesterday at 3pm
13:03 < harrymarv> bcos i have
13:03 < harrymarv> and i collect it
13:03 < BioGuy> Damn... I think you might be the first person I've met that has just as much of a horrible sleep routine as I do.
13:04 < harrymarv> how many computers do u have?
13:04 < nmz787> harrymarv: do you count solar-powered pocket-calculators?
13:05 < harrymarv> i have 26 terrabytes of storage
13:05 < harrymarv> on my network
13:05 < ThomasEgi> harrymarv, gratualtion on your big epenis. could you now continue to direct your spam to /dev/null ? thx
13:05 < harrymarv> i have 10 laptops
13:06 < ThomasEgi> btw. it's tera (with one r) .. unless your storage comes in form of earth
13:06 < harrymarv> and 5 servers
13:06 < ThomasEgi> harrymarv, http://cdn.humorswitch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/5915053_700b.jpg
13:06 < harrymarv> and i have more data than you have
13:07 < nmz787> na ahh
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13:07 < nmz787> i have more data than you times infinity
13:07 < harrymarv> no u dont
13:07 < ThomasEgi> harrymarv, if you want more data. i could netcat you some of my urandom output
13:07 < harrymarv> i have far more
13:07 < harrymarv> i have a 10000 dvd archive
13:08 < ThomasEgi> everyone who cares about that info.. please raise your hands!
13:08 < harrymarv> with data from 1980s upto now
13:08  * ThomasEgi immitates chirping crickets *chirp... chirp*
13:08 < nmz787> you know what they say about a person with lots of data, don't you?
13:09 < harrymarv> i have all the games ever made on all the systems
13:09 < ThomasEgi> harrymarv, no you don't
13:09 < harrymarv> most of them
13:09 < ThomasEgi> but not all
13:09 < nmz787> harrymarv: you don't have the game kanzure wrote
13:09 < harrymarv> not all but most
13:09 < ThomasEgi> and you don.t have the 3 that i wrote
13:09 < ThomasEgi> btw.. noone here, or on the internet cares what you have.
13:10 < harrymarv> if its shareware i probly do
13:10 < ThomasEgi> no one.
13:10 < nmz787> no
13:11 < harrymarv> i have the best data archive in here anyways
13:11 < nmz787> i never released it because i knew the world couldnt handle it's coolness
13:11 < nmz787> who has the best donut collection
13:11 < ThomasEgi> harrymarv, http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/31223826.jpg
13:11 < nmz787> thats the better story
13:13 < harrymarv> iv got loads of stuff that you cant get anymore
13:13 < ThomasEgi> harrymarv, would you be so kind to name every person who cares about that piece of information?
13:13 < BioGuy> I don't understand
13:15 < nmz787> harrymarv: do you have all the amos n andy videos?
13:15 < nmz787> harrymarv: i'm also looking for 'first men in the moon'
13:17 < nmz787> BioGuy: do you have a logic analyzer or oscilloscope?
13:18 < nmz787> harrymarv: i am also looking for naan kadavul
13:18 < harrymarv> the movie or the book?
13:19 < nmz787> harrymarv: for which?
13:19 < BioGuy> No, BrainSilo has a bunch of oscilloscopes (I think) not sure about a logic analyzer. I don't really know too much about electronics.
13:19 < harrymarv> for both
13:20 < nmz787> audio and video for first men in the moon, video for naan kadavul
13:20 < nmz787> tv series videos for amos n andy
13:21 < harrymarv> first men in the moon 1964 version?
13:22 < harrymarv> or the new 3d version?
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13:25 < juri_> thank you.
13:25 <@kanzure> nmz787: pong
13:25 < juri_> i just read through all of that backlog. what a defective
13:26 < juri_> I mean, OK, i'm crazy, but that person.. is a child.
13:28 < strangewarp> I am self-conscious about my total lack of useful skills outside of the arts, oof. In hindsight I shouldn't have poked him about that..
13:28 < juri_> what, are we counting the arts as a skill now?
13:29 < juri_> (i'm joking, BTW. :)
13:29 < strangewarp> heh
13:29 <@kanzure> i thought you did some programming these days
13:29 <@kanzure> and what's wrong with useful arts
13:30 < strangewarp> I program only well enough to have made something that's useful to maybe 5 musicians, if that's what you mean. :P
13:30 < juri_> That counts.
13:31 < juri_> there are certainly useful arts. but there are a lot more 'useless' artists, at least when viewed from my paticular cultural slant.
13:32 < juri_> when people acuse me of being an artist or creative, i get grumpy. i can do what i do specifically because i'm not creative, and chase every bit of 'whimsy' out of what i am doing.
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13:33 < harrymarv> thepiratebay.se/torrent/5778205/Naan_Kadavul_(2009)_Tamil_Movie
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13:33 < strangewarp> Yeah, a lot of people trying to be artists are only doing it because they.. want to be artists, without having any overarcing ideology or critical ability. And that sort of uselessness peeves me off as well.
13:34 <@kanzure> there are many artists that are highly technical
13:34 <@kanzure> some of them end up being douchebags (cough stelarc) but whatever
13:35 < strangewarp> hahahah
13:35 < juri_> there are certainly artists i respect.. like the one who's kind enough to draw up logos for my websites, or web designers in general. those are skills i can't touch.
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14:03 < Juul> does anyone know of a list of existing PCR kits/designs ?
14:04 <@kanzure> just diybio stuff, or all commercial thermocyclers?
14:04 <@kanzure> or do you mean reagent kits?
14:04 < Juul> diybio stuff, not reagent kits, just the machines
14:06 <@kanzure> openpcr, lightbulb pcr, griessen pcr, aircycler, laser droplet pcr, jojack's circular fluid thing oh crap i forget the name
14:06 < Juul> lava-amp?
14:07 <@kanzure> yes that one
14:07 < Juul> thanks :) some of those i hadn't heard of
14:08 <@kanzure> wiremound-pcr
14:11 <@kanzure> hackteria probably built their own project but i don't know any name
14:14 <@kanzure> Juul: have any ideas for what i should do with blackhatbio.com?
14:15 < Juul> kanzure, hah! maybe connect it to a tor hidden service where people can submit IP from big biotech
14:15 <@kanzure> ooh.
14:16 <@kanzure> i was thinking organ market.
14:16 < Juul> lol!
14:16 < Juul> my friend was having trouble getting the right agar plates to culture gonorrhea
14:17 < Juul> so supplies for BSL2+ would be nice
14:18 < juri_> kanzure: i'm the owner of organleggers.org
14:18 < juri_> so, when its blackmarket organ time, i'm there. ;)
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14:23 <@kanzure> juri_: sometimes i wonder what the real market price of organs should really be
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14:30 < juri_> at the rate things are going now? expensive as all hell, and all of the money should go into research.
14:31 < juri_> you could get me behind a movement to have a sliding scale for all medicine, based on age.
14:32 < juri_> I know that's pretty cold of me.. but i've suffered from medical problems all of my life, and had to pay every dime out of pocket. our system is broken, and for me, i can't see it getting much worse.
14:35 <@kanzure> well, i mean, if a liver is really worth $2M, maybe it's profitable to have kids and sell livers.
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14:50 < ThomasEgi> hm.. how much does a child cost these days?
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15:01 < juri_> it depends where you get them from.
15:03 < ThomasEgi> not the inital costs. but the maintainance until grown up
15:04 < ThomasEgi> TCO or so
15:05 < ThomasEgi> and.. doesn't the kidney sell for the price of a modern smartphone/tablet?
15:05 <@kanzure> no i don't think it's that cheap
15:06 < ThomasEgi> hm i do remember one story bout a chinese kid who sold his kidney for an ipad or iphone.
15:06 <@kanzure> that kid was a dumb though
15:06 < ThomasEgi> in that case.. the kid got ripped of hard grown kidney money.
15:06 <@kanzure> he had no idea about the market price
15:06 <@kanzure> yes
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15:48 < nmz787> i bet i could convince my gf to bear a GM baby
15:48 <@kanzure> why? just pay for a surrogacy pregnancy.
15:48 < nmz787> ahh
15:48 <@kanzure> this isn't the 1920s
15:48 < nmz787> true dat
15:48 < nmz787> so this projector is pretty cool!
15:48 <@kanzure> every time i hear women complaining about pregnancy i roll my eyes. you chose it, instead of a surrogacy.
15:49 < nmz787> blowing the image up to 8 inches wide is pretty dim with the watt or so LED i'm using for a lamp
15:49 <@kanzure> (for whatever reason, most people don't seem to be informed of that particular technology)
15:49 < nmz787> but it get's pretty bright when i focus the image to like 1 cm wide!
15:49 < nmz787> gotta do the calcs for light power per area
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16:54 < jrayhawk> i wouldn't trust a surrogate to optimize epigenetic conditions properly
16:55 <@kanzure> jrayhawk: because the surrogate services are terrible? sounds like a business opportunity.
16:56 <@kanzure> charlie's surrogates :(
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16:58 < delinquentme> Juul, are you around today?  I was thinking about stopping over at sudo room / oakland
16:58 < delinquentme> tonight probably
16:58 < Juul> delinquentme, i'll be there tonight yeah
16:58 < delinquentme> solid
16:59 < Juul> damn, this stupid car alarm keeps going off
16:59 < Juul> and the asshole refuses to disable it
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16:59 < Juul> i know the same cheapo oversensitive alarm is a problem in other places in this neighborhood
16:59 < Juul> we really need to implement a replay attack
17:00 <@kanzure> it's too bad that json and yaml don't keep comments
17:10 < Juul> i agree
17:10 <@kanzure> ideally it would keep comments until you cast it to something that isn't a "whateveryaml" object.
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17:40 < ThomasEgi> Juul, EMP
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18:06 <@kanzure> well there goes willow garage
18:06 <@kanzure> http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-software/willow-garage-to-shut-down
18:07 <@kanzure> "industrial perception" ?
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18:11 < nmz787> whoever harrymarv was was really disappointing
18:12 < nmz787> talked all about his data collection, then i legit wanted some old type data, and that was when he shut up
18:12 <@kanzure> huh? was he harrassing you by pm?
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19:17 <@kanzure> "Instead of paying up to $70,000 in the United States, a woman can hire an Indian surrogate and pay all associated medical costs for just $12,000."
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19:26 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: how likely is it that there's any surrogacy clinic doing genetic work pre-implantation?
19:27 < yashgaroth> in the world? I'd put it at 50/50 for human germline modification in general right now
19:28 <@kanzure> what about stem cell -> embryo work? i think there was a paper about that recently, so it's probably not happening yet.
19:28 <@kanzure> erm i mean stem cell -> germline cell lines
19:28 < yashgaroth> you mean like nuclear cloning?
19:29 <@kanzure> sure
19:29 < yashgaroth> or growing germ cells in vitro
19:29 <@kanzure> eh i just mean "for people who don't have embryos laying around" in general.
19:29 < yashgaroth> oh I can get you an embryo
19:30 <@kanzure> haha
19:30 <@kanzure> anyway, i'm trying to figure out if there's any fertility clinics that are doing genetic work already.
19:30 < yashgaroth> IVF is pretty well advanced, they can test for recessive disorders etc, so it should be easy to test if a transgene is present in the embryo
19:30 < yashgaroth> if you expose the sperm to a viral vector, or use sperm-mediated gene transfer
19:31 <@kanzure> what about modifying the embryonic genome though
19:31 <@kanzure> (not the sperm)
19:31 < yashgaroth> or inject a virus into the testes and use cell sorting to select a transformed sperm
19:31 < yashgaroth> oh uh that's more complicated
19:31 <@kanzure> this is why i am asking :p
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19:32 <@kanzure> a friend of mine claims he had genetic work done prior to implanting the embryo in a surrogate
19:32 < yashgaroth> viruses have a variable efficiency, so you don't really want to expose embryos to them and hope for the best
19:32 < yashgaroth> are you sure he wasn't talking about genetic testing?
19:32 <@kanzure> and for whatever reason i didn't follow up with him on that immediately (he was swollowed by a crowd of people)
19:32 <@kanzure> maybe he was, he likes to talk himself up like that :)
19:33 <@kanzure> no i was thinking of something like somatic nuclear transfer of a modified genome into an embryo or something
19:33 < yashgaroth> testing for recessive disorders and trisomy and such are doable by single-cell pcr on one cell from an 8-cell embryo
19:33 <@kanzure> s/embryo/blastocyte or whatever the earlier stage is supposed to be called
19:33 < yashgaroth> oh well sure that's just traditional cloning
19:33 < yashgaroth> plus the genetic modification
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19:34 < yashgaroth> so you infect a region of skin or whatever with the virus, and then transfer a bunch of transformed nuclei
19:35 <@kanzure> huh? i would have expected that to be done in vitro.
19:35 < yashgaroth> you could do, I suppose
19:36 < yashgaroth> I was gonna say 'it's such a hassle to grow primary cells' but then again nuclear transfer is infinitely more hassle
19:36 <@kanzure> what do you mean? hard to find and poke a cell and make sure it takes?
19:36 < yashgaroth> mhm, the efficiency of somatic transfer is still absurdly low, and you get a lot of weird abnormalities
19:37 < yashgaroth> I'm trying to put myself in the mind of a clandestine chinese government lab
19:38 < yashgaroth> I'd always focused my interest on germ cell modification, since that's a lot easier
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19:54 < delinquentme> http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-software/willow-garage-to-shut-down#.URmStSCZfZI.hackernews
19:55 <@kanzure> nope, it's a lie
19:55 <@kanzure> http://www.willowgarage.com/blog/2013/02/11/willow-garage-changing
19:55 <@kanzure> "Willow Garage has decided to enter the world of commercial opportunities with an eye to becoming a self-sustaining company. This is an important change to our funding model."
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20:01 < delinquentme> kanzure,
20:01 < delinquentme> who in the bay area will buy my shaker?
20:01 < delinquentme> you've got contacts ... I wont tell them I got their info from you
20:05 < nmz787> delinquentme: did you make one?
20:05 < delinquentme> nmz787, yeah its here in the apartment
20:06 <@kanzure> biocurious might buy one
20:06 <@kanzure> east-bay-diybio might buy another one
20:06 <@kanzure> ask kent kemmish for a list of biotech startups
20:06 <@kanzure> or max hodak
20:06 < nmz787> you could try selling to some biotech suppliers
20:06 <@kanzure> i'm not aware of any suppliers in the bay area
20:06 < nmz787> i've talked with mpbiomedical regarding their multi thousand dollar shaker
20:07 < nmz787> it was for cell disruption though
20:07 < nmz787> kanzure: there are many
20:08 <@kanzure> nmz787: list 'em
20:08 <@kanzure> delinquentme: tell me more
20:10 < delinquentme> nmz787, you might have something there
20:10 < delinquentme> kanzure, It needs a larger PSU, a bigger stepper ... an enclosure and a heat source
20:10 < delinquentme> and I can then sell it for like $3000
20:11 < delinquentme> which I plan on making some calls for :D
20:11 < delinquentme> phark yar
20:11 < delinquentme> also I cannot find cheap ass gyms
20:11 < nmz787> hrmm, i may be tired and hazy and thinking of all the vapourware companies
20:12 <@kanzure> delinquentme: is this jmil's orbital shaker design?
20:12 < nmz787> http://www.allstarsci.com/store/
20:12 < delinquentme> kanzure, yeah its part of it
20:12 < delinquentme> but IDK
20:13 < delinquentme> i think those are getting replaced
20:13 < delinquentme> with simply friction plastic bearings
20:13 <@kanzure> so it's working?
20:14 < nmz787> http://www.allstarsci.com/store/
20:14 < yashgaroth> do you have video of it?
20:14 < nmz787> http://www.biotechequipmentsales.com/
20:15 < nmz787> delinquentme: http://baybio.org/membership/baybio-members/
20:16 <@kanzure> how much have you spent on parts?
20:17 < delinquentme> $275
20:17 < delinquentme> kanzure, it is working
20:17 < delinquentme> I can make one
20:17 <@kanzure> youtube?
20:17 < delinquentme> ^ @ yashgaroth
20:17 <@kanzure> go for it
20:17 < yashgaroth> ah cool
20:18 < delinquentme> im supposed to meet w mac and take some decent shots of it
20:18 < delinquentme> hes got like the mac store table n shit so that would be perfect
20:18 <@kanzure> table?
20:18 <@kanzure> oh ok.
20:18 < delinquentme> lol dont judge me on the rink-a-dink table / lighting
20:18 < delinquentme> yeah I need some decent product shots to put it up and sell it
20:18 <@kanzure> how long does assembly take you?
20:20 < klafka> hey
20:21 < nmz787> paperbot: http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1315223
20:21 <@paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Microfabrication%20of%20ultra-thick%20SU-8%20photoresist%20for%20microengines.pdf
20:21 < nmz787> paperbot: http://nanolithography.spiedigitallibrary.org/article.aspx?articleid=1097667
20:21 <@kanzure> eww watermarks
20:21 <@paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ultrathick%20SU-8%20fabrication%20for%20microreciprocating%20engines.pdf
20:23 <@kanzure> what does SPIE stand for?
20:24 <@kanzure> "international society for optics and photonics"
20:24 <@kanzure> how do you get SPIE from that
20:24 <@kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPIE
20:24 <@kanzure> "Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers"
20:25 < nmz787> it's a long story
20:25 < nmz787> they changed their group name a bunch of times
20:25 < nmz787> and i guess some got tired before others
20:25 <@kanzure> "On July 1, 1955 SPIE was founded as the Society of Photographic Instrumentation Engineers in California to specialize in the application of photographic instrumentation. In 1964 the Society formally changed its name to the Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers."
20:25 <@kanzure> "In 1977 SPIE moved its headquarters to Bellingham, Washington, and in 1981, to reflect a changing Membership, the Society began doing business as SPIE—The International Society for Optical Engineering. In 2007, the Society ended its DBA, and is referred to simply as SPIE."
20:25 <@kanzure> hmm.
20:26 < delinquentme> kanzure, too long right now ...  but I just need a cheap replacement for ballast
20:26 <@kanzure> well okay. issue added: https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/20
20:26 < delinquentme> then... first approximation ... like 2 hrs?
20:27 <@kanzure> have any pre-orders yet?
20:31 < nmz787> delinquentme: any crappy pics?
20:31 < delinquentme> Oh definitely haha
20:31 < delinquentme> uploading atm
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20:31 < delinquentme> https://github.com/delinquentme/OSS001/tree/master/images
20:32 < delinquentme> pics
20:32 <@kanzure> are those taped down -_-
20:32 < Juul> delinquentme, hey are you at sudo?
20:33 < delinquentme> Juul, nah I was meaning to check on the BART .. but then realized that the shaker was still in piece
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20:33 < delinquentme> kanzure, those? .. I dont think there is any tape?
20:33 <@kanzure> maybe it's rubber then https://github.com/delinquentme/OSS001/blob/master/images/IMG_20130104_000508.jpg
20:33 < cpopell> yashgaroth : flying out tomorrow
20:34 < yashgaroth> coo'
20:34 < delinquentme> kanzure, oh yeah big ass rubberbands
20:34 < cpopell> Barone said we can probably crash on his floor space
20:34 < cpopell> but I'm still trying to get utilization of finfer's mansion
20:34 < cpopell> :D
20:34 < yashgaroth> mansion eh
20:34 < cpopell> he rents this big honking thing with a bunch of other people
20:35 < yashgaroth> aww, well still
20:35 < delinquentme> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJsvbEDFzQg
20:35 < delinquentme> now that I look at the speed they're definitely not 150 / 300
20:35 < cpopell> anyway.
20:35 < cpopell> I'm in town tomorrow afternoon/evening
20:36 < cpopell> wed/thurs is probably local shit
20:36 < cpopell> if you know a local watering hole we could do that thurs night
20:36 < delinquentme> cpopell, you're in south cali?
20:36 < cpopell> delinquentme : Visiting.
20:36 < delinquentme> cpopell, ahhh solid
20:36 < cpopell> home (vista), frienda (LA), girl (Irvine)
20:36 < yashgaroth> local as in vista, or san diego?
20:37 < cpopell> ehh, aren't you in carlsbad?
20:37 < yashgaroth> nope, mira mesa
20:37 < yashgaroth> lab's in carlsbad
20:37 < cpopell> ah, sheee
20:37 < yashgaroth> hence my apprehension
20:37 < cpopell> is there anything going on wed or thurs night?
20:37 < cpopell> at lab?
20:37 < yashgaroth> only tuesday that I know of
20:37 < cpopell> Hm. if i get in on time I'll try to make it out there
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20:38 < cpopell> otherwise we'll plan for late morning friday drive up (if Finfer is around), and early afternoon (if he's not)
20:38 < yashgaroth> 5:30 at 2351 faraday ave, hopefully lasting a couple hours
20:38 < cpopell> we could always go hang with haywire....>_> <_< >_>
20:38 <@kanzure> or you could, you know, not do that
20:38 < yashgaroth> haha
20:38 < cpopell> kanzure: Precisely.
20:39 <@kanzure> oh god you're dating her
20:39 <@kanzure> i just know it
20:39 < cpopell> no I'm not O_o
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20:39 <@kanzure> you sure?
20:39 < cpopell> There's nothing about her that attracts me.
20:39 <@kanzure> k
20:39 < cpopell> Sure, I might have tried to sleep with her...
20:39 <@kanzure> different story
20:39 < cpopell> but no, I'm not dating her.
20:39 < yashgaroth> only anissimov is crazy enough to date her
20:39 < delinquentme> Juul, any idea how late BART runs?
20:39 <@kanzure> anissimov dated her?
20:39 < cpopell> the closest thing to a girl I'm dating is the aero/mech down in irvine
20:39 < cpopell> anissimov is currently dating her I think.
20:39 <@kanzure> delinquentme: i've seen some 1am runs, but nothing much later
20:39 < cpopell> or something with her.
20:40 < yashgaroth> kanzure: so sayeth the jojack
20:40 < Juul> delinquentme, what's your station?
20:40 < cpopell> The rumor mill says it's why she got a foothold in Humanity+
20:40 <@kanzure> delinquentme: what are the rubber bands for?
20:41 < delinquentme> im guessing the civic center
20:41 < delinquentme> kanzure, holding things down
20:41 <@kanzure> nice, you should go crash in on langton labs
20:41 <@kanzure> go say hi to 3scan and cambrian genomics and the others
20:41 < delinquentme> I've got a few designs for other setups
20:41 < Juul> delinquentme, you're in SF?
20:41 <@kanzure> they are right next to civic center
20:41 < delinquentme> Juul, Yeap
20:42 < cpopell> Lemminkainen is out there too
20:42 < cpopell> and his mad scientist gf
20:42 <@kanzure> lemminkainen lives in langton?
20:42 < cpopell> san fran
20:42 <@kanzure> erm, if you wanted to enumerate a list of sf people this is really ineffective
20:43 < Juul> delinquentme, 12:49 am
20:43 < Juul> from sudo to civic
20:43 < Juul> http://www.bart.gov/schedules/bystation.aspx
20:43 <@kanzure> just uber yourself home
20:44 <@kanzure> once you uber you never go back. your chances of stepping in poop on the way home are like 0.0001% compared to bart.
20:44 < klafka> ummm uber is expensive
20:44 < delinquentme> ^^^
20:45 < delinquentme> I'm okay w poop
20:45 <@kanzure> uber is pretty cheap compared to your salary klafka
20:45 < delinquentme> lyft is a solid option
20:45 <@kanzure> i don't have uber in austin yet :(
20:45 <@kanzure> otherwise i would totally be ubering myself to get groceries
20:46 < delinquentme> Juul, tell me what you think -- I'd totally sit down w you and Ryan if you want ... or I can jump down that way as I'm pretty sure I can still do that
20:46 < klafka> kanzure:  lol
20:47 < Juul> delinquentme, think about OSS or about you coming here tonight?
20:47 < klafka> but i have a serious drug habit to spend money on
20:47 < klafka> also food
20:47 < klafka> (joking - mostly on the first part)
20:47 <@fenn> we take our drugs seriously
20:47 < delinquentme> Juul, lets do tomorrow ... as right now I'm doing a bit of troubleshooting and want to go for a run
20:48 < delinquentme> ALSO .. will I die in SF's golden gate park at night?
20:48 <@fenn> no
20:48 < Juul> delinquentme, not sure, i haven't much experience
20:48 < klafka> like are you sleeping there?
20:49 < Juul> delinquentme, ok tomorrow is good
20:49 <@fenn> you better hurry up if you want to catch the BART tho
20:50 < delinquentme> Juul, awesome
20:50 < delinquentme> fenn, you're here too huh??
20:50 < delinquentme> I'm in town!
20:50 < delinquentme> be afraid
20:50 <@fenn> no, i'm on mars
20:51 <@kanzure> fenn often mistakes himself for the curiosity rover.
20:51 < delinquentme> fenn, be there in 5
20:51 <@fenn> the teleoperated self portrait drives them all wild
20:51 < delinquentme> ERMAGERD
20:51 < klafka> fenn you're still at that... bio loft place right?
20:51 < klafka> i forgot the name of it
20:52 <@fenn> no, i sort of lost the plot
20:52 < klafka> aah
20:52 <@kanzure> delinquentme: btw, good work. let me know if you need anything else.
20:52 < delinquentme> kanzure, I think I'm good ... its time to start cold calling or finding ways for warm intros
20:53 < delinquentme> maybe Stanford profs who support OSH >> who they source their equipment >> get intro
20:53 < delinquentme> sell to supplier
20:53 <@fenn> delinquentme: it needs some paint and holes for rubber bands
20:53 < delinquentme> fenn, the concrete is gonna go ... IDK what replacement material yet
20:53 < delinquentme> but thats just the one researchers feedback
20:53 <@fenn> you can only have 4 plates with your current rubber band strategy
20:53 <@kanzure> but really he was serious about bart
20:53 < delinquentme> the concrete is AWESOME ballast ... That thing could shake like 6 levels high
20:54 < delinquentme> kanzure, im staying local for tonight :D
20:54 < delinquentme> fenn, correct .. but rubberbands are cheap
20:54 < delinquentme> 31 plates on a layer
20:54 < delinquentme> so for PLATES
20:54 < delinquentme> its awesomely dense
20:54 <@fenn> hm i guess they'll pack together since they're all the same size and shape
20:54 < delinquentme> and like tissue culture wells ... the 6 well ones... would work amazingly with its current setup
20:55 <@fenn> you couldn't do that with round flasks though
20:55 <@fenn> 31 is an odd number
20:56 <@fenn> and a prime, but what i mean is i'd expect something like a square or a rectangular number
20:56 < Juul> your amazing rubber band technology has some limitations
20:56 < delinquentme> hahah
20:56 < delinquentme> true.
20:56 <@fenn> like the inability to remove a single plate from the center without disassembling the whole shebang
20:56 < delinquentme> fenn, true ... those are mounting issues
20:57 < delinquentme> I wonder if I've got a sketch of the other mount option ...
20:57 < delinquentme> or schematic rather
20:58 < Juul> just use more gravity
20:58 <@fenn> nop. maybe vacuum would work, but really it just needs more rubber bands
20:58 < Juul> more gravity ~= more gravity
20:58 < Juul> ach ~= more rubber bands
20:58  * Juul fails
20:58 <@fenn> unfortunately we don't yet possess artificial gravity technology, we only have inertial mass
20:59 <@fenn> one rubber band per plate, holes on diagonals
21:00 <@fenn> something like 75% on a pie chart
21:01 <@fenn> you can add two bands for irregularly shaped containers
21:01 <@fenn> a c-shaped hole i mean
21:01 < delinquentme> so I could almost just mount a perf board to it
21:01 <@fenn> yeah
21:02 <@fenn> non-slip foam tool cabinet liner might be a good idea too
21:03 <@fenn> just to increase friction. at low shake rates you might not even need hold-downs
21:04 < delinquentme> fenn, yeah rubber bands are cheap
21:04 < delinquentme> Lemme find the sketch for the other option
21:05 < delinquentme> I've got a simple solution to put the bands about 2" above the surface ... just in a grid ... that way you just stretch the bands and you can put something like an erlenmeyer
21:06 < delinquentme> cpopell, kanzure who is Lemminkainen
21:06 < cpopell> Alexander Honkala
21:08 < delinquentme> twitter says hes in Vegas
21:10 < cpopell> yeah, he's back in san fran
21:15 < delinquentme> cpopell, cool who are you so I can invite myself to the convo :D
21:15 < cpopell> delinquentme : Don't I already have you on fb?
21:17 < delinquentme> OHHHHHH
21:17 < delinquentme> yeahhh didnt put it together!
21:17 < nmz787> delinquentme: pics look good
21:17 < nmz787> ttyl
21:18 < delinquentme> nmz787, solid.
21:19 < delinquentme> Juul, time constraints tomorrow?
21:19 < delinquentme> I was gonna grab lunch in soma then head over that way
21:19 < Juul> delinquentme, sounds good
21:22 < delinquentme> COOOOLLL
21:22 < delinquentme> lol
21:22 < delinquentme> how the fuck is everyone so awesome around hereeee
21:22 < delinquentme> I dont even get it
21:23 < klafka> lol
21:24 < delinquentme> klafka, OMG you can come party with us too haha
21:24  * delinquentme goes to dig out his graph paper
21:24 < klafka> huh when?
21:24 < delinquentme> tomorrow after like 1
21:24 < klafka> i'm going to a booty house party on friday and i'm tabling for dancesafe on saturday
21:25 < klafka> ah i have to work till probably 6-7 tomorrow
21:25 < delinquentme> klafka, what is a booty house part
21:25 < delinquentme> nm just invite
21:25 <@kanzure> you could go dig up brownies, i'm sure he would love your company.
21:25 < klafka> lol
21:26 < delinquentme> and dance safe? is that like taking care of raver kids?
21:26 < delinquentme> ( totally cool )
21:26 < delinquentme> brownies,
21:26 < klafka> oh there is the pillow fight on thursday
21:26 < klafka> delinquentme: basically
21:26 < delinquentme> brownies, brownies brownies brownies
21:26 < klafka> delinquentme: http://www.facebook.com/events/559611874050876/?ref=2
21:26 < delinquentme> klafka, thats effing awesome
21:26 < klafka> http://www.facebook.com/events/294114484024266/?ref=2
21:26 < klafka> http://www.facebook.com/events/463800240332881/
21:27 < delinquentme> TIL "glitch" is a type of music
21:27 < delinquentme> .. im guessing defined by the glitch mob?
21:27 <@kanzure> glitch core, etc. heath is our resident glitchbit expert.
21:30 <@kanzure> PDFNotImplementedError: Unsupported filter: /DCTDecode
21:34 < mutagen> no
21:34 < mutagen> glitch mob isnt even glitch
21:34 < mutagen> they dont even self define as such
21:39 < klafka> heh
21:39 < klafka> glitch mob helped define glitch in like 2007
21:40 < klafka> their music is suitable distinct from it now though
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21:44 < delinquentme> klafka, youtube link to 2007 stuff?
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21:55 < klafka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUaWiYs9djg
21:55 < klafka> fine
21:56 <@kanzure> pdfparanoia now supports SPIE.. sort of. it seems to delete too much of the document (images, etc.).
21:56 <@kanzure> but i'm not sure why it's doing this
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21:56 <@kanzure> it's deleting object 55 from the sample in the git repo.
21:56 <@kanzure> and this removes the watermark from each page
21:56 <@kanzure> but it also makes some paragraphs disappear.
21:57 <@kanzure> anyone want to figure out why? :/
21:58 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/20#commit-ref-caed396
21:59 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/commit/caed396870a6307e203a1087118468b1e5916de4
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