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got crickets 12:22 < klafka> hahaha 12:22 < klafka> http://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/scipy-dev/2002-March/000640.html 12:22 <@kanzure> ah well you probably forgot to do that last step 12:25 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- Grognor [~broken_co@rrcs-64-183-84-197.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:26 -!- padz [~not@bas5-kingston08-2925022600.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33 -!- Grognor [~broken_co@rrcs-64-183-84-197.west.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 < nmz787> archels: so it wouldn't be smart to use a WiFi for the transport for a H264 security video camera then... 12:45 < nmz787> i don't think I or my dad's house would ever get attacked by someone who knew how to jame wifi... but you never know I guess 12:51 < nmz787> kanzure: does this look worth using http://www.openni.org 12:53 <@kanzure> hmm https://github.com/OpenNI/OpenNI2 12:54 <@kanzure> looks ok i guess https://github.com/OpenNI/OpenNI2/tree/master/Source/Core 13:14 < archels> nmz787: the more unconventional, the better. but like I said, anything can be jammed 13:15 < archels> any chance of a wired connection? 13:16 < archels> you can make that pretty rugged, even to the point of being fairly EMP-proof 13:23 < nmz787> archels: I had just found some IR HD cameras on alibaba or aliexpress and yes they also had wired ethernet too 13:23 < nmz787> archels: the main drawback was they look like cameras, while my dad said he wanted them to be hidden, meaning it needs a pinhole instead of lenses 13:24 < nmz787> they looked nice though, said ~$70 per camera, H264 out, wifi wired, pan tilt, IR lights 13:30 < archels> ah, well, what are the odds of a burglar with an IQ of 70 taking the trouble to jam your wifi? 13:32 -!- ArmilusDajjal is now known as mutagen 13:37 < ThomasEgi> how bout simply having a wifi named "surveillance server" 13:38 < ThomasEgi> in case some burglar with an iq of 70 tries to check his fb account on his tablet via the home's wifi^ 13:39 < ThomasEgi> most cameras can be easily modified by simply removing the IR/UV filter in front of the sensor. 13:44 * archels wonders what the term 'dynamical slowing' actually means 13:57 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:57 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - 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A collection of objects is called monodisperse or uniform if the objects have the same size, shape, or mass." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydispersity 17:37 < nsh> streety, i can see that being an important measure in certain mechanical circumstances 17:38 < nsh> there are very counter-intuitive results in shaking/mixing scenarios that we don't have particularly good mathematical models for 17:38 < nsh> s/very/some/ 17:40 < streety> nsh, that's a redirection to dispersity, which makes sense. It's the poly bit that I don't get - seems redundant 17:41 < nsh> mmm 17:41 < nsh> yeah, kinda 17:43 < streety> added to which "The PDI has a value equal to or greater than 1, but as the polymer chains approach uniform chain length, the PDI approaches unity (1)." and yet the article I was reviewing gave PDI values less than one. weird 17:44 < streety> it was a fairly poor article overall though so I probably shouldn't be too surprised 17:44 < ParahSailin_> http://nullwords.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/gaddag-data-structure/ is basically the data structure we use for sequence alignment 17:45 -!- klafka [~klafka@204-16-157-18-static.ipnetworksinc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18 < nmz787> kanzure: weren't you complaining about .STL? 18:18 <@kanzure> i am always complaining about people using stl files 18:18 <@kanzure> or, rather, about people storing them for long-term use. 18:19 <@kanzure> (they are okay intermedaries when you are at the last step and sending data to your printer, but they are not a good idea if you ever plan to revisit the object, or share it with someone, etc.) 18:19 <@kanzure> *intermediaries 18:22 < nmz787> ParahSailin_: that link doesn't seem to work 18:22 < nmz787> ParahSailin_: ahh got it 18:22 < nmz787> the c didn't copy past 18:22 < nmz787> ahh 18:22 < nmz787> ok 18:49 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: DayZ] 19:11 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- docl2 [~docl@174-25-117-155.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:44 -!- docl2 is now known as docl 19:44 -!- docl [~docl@174-25-117-155.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:44 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:03 -!- docl [~docl@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Quit: docl] 20:03 -!- docl [~docl@174-25-117-155.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:03 -!- docl [~docl@174-25-117-155.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14 <@kanzure> hmm so this is what the singularity institute people have been up to? http://www.metamed.com/ 20:15 <@kanzure> vassar, tom, kevin 20:16 <@kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5295858 20:19 < klafka> kanzure: do you think the singularity institute people do good work 20:20 <@kanzure> no, but i think they could if they bothered to. 20:20 < klafka> LOL 20:21 <@kanzure> instead of writing papers about the inevitability of ai doom, maybe they could be doing things like poking at neural tissue cultures or making open source hardware/software 20:22 < klafka> ah another group of people who talk but don'tdo 20:22 <@kanzure> they do things.. just, things that i disagree with. 20:23 < yashgaroth> well, we do need to have some sort of plan for when the evil strong AI teams up with the von neumann berserkers to destroy us 20:23 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: their argument is that no plan will help you 20:23 <@kanzure> in that situation 20:23 < yashgaroth> that's no fun 20:23 < klafka> LOL 20:26 < nmz787> my soda has polyethylene glycol in it 20:29 < klafka> iwonder for what 20:30 < klafka> anti-foaming agent 20:31 < klafka> dude scipy's documentation is sobad that their attempt to improve documentation is out of date 20:31 < klafka> Documentation is currently our weakest area, but we are working on it as part of the Documentation Marathon 2008+. The marathon addresses some of the current shortcomings: 20:32 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57 -!- Guest17452 [~archie@ip24-255-8-249.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- Guest17452 is now known as archbox_ 21:00 -!- archbox_ [~archie@ip24-255-8-249.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:00 -!- archbox_ [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:01 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:28 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:38 < heath> paperbot: Low Cost UV Laser Direct Write Photolithography System for Rapid Prototyping of Microsystems 21:39 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/Versatile%20stepper%20based%20maskless%20microlithography%20using%20a%20liquid%20crystal%20display%20for%20direct%20write%20of%20binary%20and%20multilevel%20microstructures.pdf 21:40 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ma.ecsdl.org/content/MA2012-02/59/3990.short 21:40 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Low%20Cost%20UV%20Laser%20Direct%20Write%20Photolithography%20System%20for%20Rapid%20Prototyping%20of%20Microsystems.pdf 21:40 < heath> that's an abstract 21:41 < heath> first one isn't the paper 21:42 < heath> oh it is 21:42 * heath thanks kanzure and sleeps 21:43 <@kanzure> if that isn't it we can do: 21:43 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ma.ecsdl.org/content/MA2012-02/59/3990.full.pdf 21:43 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/933574fadfa06a221516c32df2654d1a.pdf 21:45 -!- HEx2 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:47 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:47 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 -!- barriers [~barriers@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- cpopell2 [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:22 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:22 -!- Juul_ [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:23 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:23 -!- Juul_ is now known as Juul 22:34 -!- sheena1 [~home@174.4.134.159] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:39 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:41 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:45 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:12 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:21 -!- cpopell2 [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:31 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:44 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:51 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Feb 28 00:00:13 2013