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00:29 < lichen> hehe
00:30 < lichen> i'm sure it'll be fine
00:30 < lichen> wait what
00:30 < lichen> wrong window
00:30 < lichen> fuckin around with irssi window settings
00:39 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/msb/journal/v7/n1/full/msb201155.html
00:40 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Engineering%20microbes%20to%20sense%20and%20eradicate%20Pseudomonas%20aeruginosa%2C%20a%20human%20pathogen.pdf
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08:50 < kanzure> "advanced namespace tools for plan9" http://ants.9gridchan.org/
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08:58 < kanzure> "The Human Brain Project is expected to start on October 1, and our Lab will lead research on principles of brain computation in this project. We can employ Phd students already now for closely related work in the BrainScales project. (this project provides intermediate financing until the beginning of the Human Brain Project)."
08:58 < kanzure> https://brainscales.kip.uni-heidelberg.de/index.html
08:59 < kanzure> Wolfgang Maass <maass@igi.tugraz.at>
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09:42 < kanzure> jarickc: welcome.
09:44 < jarickc> so, I am an electrical engineer looking for a new hobby in biohacking.
09:44 < jarickc> unfortunately, I haven't found a "start here" page anywhere.
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09:44 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq
09:44 < kanzure> and http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/books/
09:45 < jarickc> look how awesome you are.
09:45 < jarickc> hplus = human 2.0?
09:46 < kanzure> it refers to transhumanism, a general concept of using technology to make bodies suck less
09:46 < kanzure> or using technology to build further-enabling technologies
09:47 < jarickc> i know about transhumanism. A precondition to my marriage was she couldn't stop me from augmentation, when it is possible.
09:47 < jarickc> the specific example was brain interfaceing
09:48 < kanzure> what is your background in electronics?
09:48 < jarickc> i do digital hardware design
09:48 < kanzure> verilog?
09:48 < jarickc> VHDL
09:48 < kanzure> i am so sorry
09:48 < jarickc> it is what I was taught in school and what my employer uses.
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09:49 < kanzure> i am not a big fan. it never felt like a sanely-designed language.
09:50 < jarickc> i haven't looked at verilog so i don't know the differences.
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10:22 < kanzure> jarickc: welcome back
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11:10 < kanzure> http://www.oshwa.org/oshw-community-survey-2012/
11:10 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/oshwa/oshwa-survey.zip
11:10 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/oshwa/survey/
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11:34 < eudoxia> my boss took a picture of himself with guido van rossum at the pycon, i finally have a lower guido number than kanz (you know, maybe)
11:35 < ParahSailin> i can understand erdős number or knuth number, but cmon "guido number"?
11:35 < eudoxia> sure why not?
11:43 < kanzure> eudoxia: pfft bet you can't beat my carmack number
11:43 < kanzure> in fact, i bet you can't get carmack to tell you off better
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11:43 < kanzure> truly my goal in life is to get elon to send me hate mail?
11:43 < eudoxia> hahaha
11:45 < eudoxia> i have a mike darwin number of two, i can die (lol) happy
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13:30 < kanzure> "When I visited DIYbio.org, I tried to get in their email list, i.e. group/diybio.. But due to the GFW, I can not see the page. Thus I was so sad."
13:31 < kanzure> diybio.org looks okay: http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=diybio.org
13:31 < ParahSailin> google is blocked by gfw
13:31 < kanzure> ah, http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=groups.google.com
13:31 < kanzure> got it
13:31 < ParahSailin> well, throttled to be precise
13:31 < ParahSailin> its not blocked outright, but it takes 10 minutes to load
13:32 < ParahSailin> half the time
13:33 < ParahSailin> sadface when i have to go back to python to do something
13:34 < kanzure> this is because someone was complaining about access here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5351241
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13:38 < kanzure> l-chaw: hello
13:38 < l-chaw> hi
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13:41 < kanzure> l-chaw: what brings you here?
13:42 < nmz787> are there other companies like transcriptic?
13:42 < nmz787> like the outsource a workflow idea?
13:42 < kanzure> do science exchange and assay depot count?
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13:44 < nmz787> kanzure: can you subscribe to a google groups purely via email ?
13:44 < kanzure> yes you can email diybio+subscribe@googlegroups.com
13:44 < nmz787> that's how I initiate and respond to most conversations there
13:45 < kanzure> they took down these instructions when they upgraded their google groups ui last year
13:45 < nmz787> kanzure: but does that work if you aren't logged into a google server?
13:45 < kanzure> you can send it from any email address
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13:47 < nmz787> kanzure: that only returns you an email with this link http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/subscribe?hl=en
13:47 < kanzure> wow, they changed it. that's pretty terrible.
13:48 < nmz787> you could just start telling chinese ppl to come in here
13:49 < kanzure> i could, but i already get harassed a lot for telling people to show up in here
13:49 < nmz787> through diybio?
13:49 < nmz787> or HN?
13:50 < kanzure> oh, much more from diybio or diybio-related people
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13:50 < nmz787> other than them complaining it was too low bandwidth?
13:50 < nmz787> regarding the conference thing?
13:51 < kanzure> nah, issues like the channel name, claims of stifling competition (???), etc.
13:52 < kanzure> i definitely think this place is worth telling others about
13:53 < kanzure> it would be nice if others showed up for reasons other than me pestering them
13:53 < nmz787> hmm
14:00 < nmz787> selecting DNA from a microarray via laser pulsing http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/subscribe?hl=en
14:01 < kanzure> wrong link.
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14:21 < kanzure> nmz787: yeah, the google groups infrastructure has been really rotting. i'm not sure what to do about it.
14:21 < kanzure> the url changes were nasty and spelled the beginning of the end.
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14:30 < nmz787> here is the right one http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7yscphwaWNs#t=707s
14:30 < nmz787> had to switch back to flash from html5
14:30 < nmz787> right click links weren't working
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14:55 < kanzure> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1088864/how-is-vims-undo-tree-used
14:55 < kanzure> oops, ignore
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15:09 < ParahSailin> kanzure: you realize that larry page is gonna cut google groups because its not a revenue center
15:14 < kanzure> i doubt it, because of usenet.
15:17 < klafka> ParahSailin: it's not 'not a revenue center' it's 'can be folded into G+'
15:41 < kanzure> "Groups isn't even on the extended products list in the Gmail header bar, though Reader is! You have to click "Even more" to get to Groups."
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15:51 < klafka> \LOL
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16:07 < superkuh> I certainly hope google groups is shut down.
16:09 < klafka> why?
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16:10 < superkuh> The groups who use it would be forced to move to more open platforms. At least something that doesn't require a browser with javascript and a google account.
16:12 < kanzure> i don't know anyone who uses their web ui. i thought the point was to use it over email?
16:12 < klafka>  i use riseup atm
16:12 < klafka> it's _ok_
16:13 < superkuh> There are some things on google groups which it is impossible to get over email.
16:13 < kanzure> their usenet things?
16:14 < superkuh> Things like, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/victor-herrero-radio-astronomy
16:14 < kanzure> isn't that just victor-herrero-radio-astronomy-subscribe@googlegroups.com
16:15 < kanzure> guess not.. as nmz787 pointed out, the subscribe infrastructure might be broken.
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17:20 < kanzure> "list+subscribe@googlegroups.com still works. I used it last week."
17:20 < kanzure> nmz787: did you try list+subscribe for a group you were already subscribed to?
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17:54 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hi.
17:54 < yashgaroth> yo
17:58 < kanzure> sup?
18:00 < yashgaroth> ehh not much
18:00 < yashgaroth> missed the last biolab meeting, will have to see what happened
18:05 < kanzure> i like how nobody publishes notes
18:05 < kanzure> not even biocurious or genspace
18:06 < yashgaroth> I'd ask jojack about the gist but he always seems so busy
18:06 < kanzure> yes but the question is.. with what?
18:06 < kanzure> i mean, really. wtf?
18:07 < yashgaroth> well someone's gotta figure out how the space will actually make any money
18:07 < kanzure> maybe he is busy writing new punch lines about the singularitards
18:07 < kanzure> it takes a lot of effort
18:07 < yashgaroth> a noble pursuit
18:08 < kanzure> the problem with funding a space with companies is that the companies will easy flood your scheduled time on equipment
18:09 < kanzure> and you don't want the companies that wont do that, because they aren't the ones making any money to pay you.
18:09 < kanzure> "we got an order for 1200 pounds of antibodies, so we're gonna go ahead and reserve the hplc for the next.. oh.. month."
18:10 < kanzure> (in my fictional hackerspace in my head, antibodies are quantified by the pound)
18:10 < yashgaroth> well there's giving lab space to colleges who don't have enough room to run lab classes, renting bench space to random people, teaching plebs how to make bacteria glow, and of course "biofuel stuff"
18:11 < yashgaroth> I mean, sure, a small antibody company isn't using their equipment 90% of the time, but they'll all want it during business hours, and when a contract's on the line...
18:11 < yashgaroth> not to mention how many companies we can actually fit, and how worried they'll be about random people rummaging through their shared freezers
18:12 < kanzure> yes have you ever noticed how people clam up when you say "shared freezer"
18:12 < kanzure> it's like they have a flashback to grad school when things went missing from their freezer just once ever
18:13 < yashgaroth> or some jackass breaks it over the weekend and they just lose everything - I mean, it happens all the time, but when you can blame someone else it's a lot easier
18:14 < yashgaroth> I'd like to find out how successful something like the Icogenex incubator is, since they rent benches, but I don't even know if they exist anymore
18:15 < yashgaroth> if you figure we're paying bare minimum 50-60k a year for a competent lab manager, not to mention utilities and eventually rent...shit adds up quick
18:17 < kanzure> well, if the incubator is successful and has at least one company that nets at least $20M (or something?) on an exit, then you could just use those funds to pay for a sustaining hackerspace. but making a deal like that with a company that will exit for that high isn't that easy if you're offering junk.
18:17 < kanzure> but the average time to exit in biotech is.. what.. >5 years?
18:18 < yashgaroth> yeah the startup angle would be good for that, but you figure those people will be super-paranoid about IP and such
18:18 < yashgaroth> and with the ~10% success rate on startups, it's a big risk
18:19 < yashgaroth> exit in biotech depends a lot on the product type
18:20 < kanzure> i haven't been watching biotech exits closely
18:20 < yashgaroth> could be a couple years to work out someone's grad school project's bugs, could be 10 years for a drug
18:20 < kanzure> it seems all over the map
18:20 < kanzure> pharma companies seem to be okay with dropping unlimited piles of cash for random things
18:20 < kanzure> but at the same time different medical device companies end up in the 50-100M range
18:21 < yashgaroth> pharma is huge money and huge risk, even moreso than oil or whatever
18:22 < yashgaroth> the current focus is apparently just "rare diseases!", but I've no idea how to extract operating funds out of that
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20:14 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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20:37 <@fenn> good time of day, sir
20:37 < kanzure> impeccable timing
20:38 < yashgaroth> quite
20:38 < kanzure> indeed
20:38 < yashgaroth> ...rather
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22:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ef425032 Bryan Bishop: hackerspace in myrtle beach
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