--- Log opened Fri Mar 22 00:00:27 2013 --- Day changed Fri Mar 22 2013 00:00 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:01 < kanzure> nmz787: also there's klafka 00:04 < kanzure> https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/mining-your-ps-and-qs-detection-widespread-weak-keys-embedded-devices 00:05 < kanzure> "We find that 0.75% of TLS certificates share keys due to insufficient entropy during key generation, and we suspect that another 1.70% come from the same faulty implementations and may be susceptible to compromise. Even more alarmingly, we are able to obtain RSA private keys for 0.50% of TLS hosts and 0.03% of SSH hosts, because their public keys shared nontrivial common factors due to entropy problems, and DSA private keys for 1.03% of ... 00:05 < kanzure> ... SSH hosts, because of insufficient signature randomness." 00:05 < kanzure> http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/064 00:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ron%20was%20wrong%2C%20Whit%20is%20right.pdf 00:05 < kanzure> hooray for paperbot 00:05 < nmz787> I'm not sure how much time I have for meetings 00:06 < kanzure> what did max say? 00:06 < nmz787> need to get some more code written tomorrow 00:06 < nmz787> mmm 00:06 < nmz787> the stacking problem is... the equipment isn't stackable :P 00:07 < nmz787> they're using scala because it 00:07 < nmz787> 's really type-safe 00:07 < nmz787> he said 00:07 < kanzure> anything else 00:07 < nmz787> so you couldn't multiply a time by an arbitrary int or some other math type 00:08 < nmz787> he got a lot of funding from friends and fam in the beginning before big investors or whoever came along 00:08 < nmz787> or at least /some/ 00:08 < nmz787> he didnt say 'a lot' 00:09 < nmz787> they basically have 1 or 2 of most biotech equipment 00:09 < nmz787> their space is pretty full 00:09 < nmz787> in a cool good way 00:10 < nmz787> but yeah the machines are pretty huge so stacking would need more than T-slot aluminum can support 00:10 < nmz787> 80/20 00:10 < nmz787> went up to cambrian afterwards 00:11 < kanzure> where are they? 00:11 < nmz787> SOMA 00:11 < kanzure> not langton? 00:12 < kanzure> you've switched channels on me 00:14 < nmz787> nah 00:18 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 < kanzure> nmz787: meetup with delinquentme or juul? 00:20 < kanzure> hmm. http://www.volokh.com/2013/03/21/united-states-v-auernheimer-and-why-i-am-representing-auernheimer-pro-bono-on-appeal-before-the-third-circuit/ 00:21 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:22 < nmz787> ya 00:22 < nmz787> met delinquentme, twice! the latter unexpectedly 00:22 < nmz787> it was pretty funny 00:22 < kanzure> juul needs to hurry up and finish his library genesis server 00:22 < kanzure> nmz787: ran into him on bart? 00:23 < nmz787> we parted ways, then my buddy and I walked around downtown, then went to get oaxacan food across town, and after we ordered I realiiezd he was there already eating 00:23 < nmz787> nah he texted me and we grabbed a beer 00:26 < rigel> i feel old 00:26 < kanzure> aren't you like 27? you're ancient 00:26 < rigel> i am listening to gabber tracks that are 15 years old 00:26 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:27 < rigel> add ten years, whippersnapper 00:27 < rigel> btw, get off my lawn 00:27 < rigel> wow, i think i am getting nystagmus just listening to these tracks 00:28 < rigel> its like a pavlovian thing or something 00:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:48 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:49 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50 < nmz787> kanzure: are you old enough to drink alcohol yet? 00:51 < kanzure> yes 00:56 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spinning_Dancer.gif 00:57 -!- undersco2 [~quassel@192.210.211.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:59 < Thorbinator1> yay I got miner.php working 00:59 < Thorbinator1> this is so cool con 01:01 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:01 < kanzure> why do you want a miner in php? that doesn't make sense. 01:01 < Thorbinator1> its a web reporting api 01:01 -!- undersco2 [~quassel@192.210.211.75] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:02 < kanzure> i am strongly opposed to php for a number of reasons. if you are unfamiliar with the warts of php, then i would be happy to elaborate and attempt to convince you to never use it again. 01:02 < Thorbinator1> I'm fine, thanks. 01:02 < Thorbinator1> also this is the wrong channel, whoops 01:03 < kanzure> yes. 01:05 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- Thorbinator1 [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:08 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:09 < archels> do we know anyone in Stockholm? 01:10 * archels will have one free pre-conference day to spend there 01:11 < rigel> so i take two weeks away from my coding adventure to deal with Life Stuff 01:11 < rigel> and i can't get started again 01:12 < rigel> i was trying to build a basic screen scraping class with selenium 01:12 < rigel> feh 01:12 < rigel> also, php is just Ugly 01:19 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:24 < kanzure> archels: splicer (in #diybio) lives in that area. runs biopunk.org. 01:25 < kanzure> rigel: selenium is really difficult to work with, i don't recommend it. 01:25 < kanzure> rigel: do you need javascript execution? if not, there are many simpler things. 01:26 < kanzure> rigel: if you do need javascript execution, then i think phantomjs+casperjs is probably the easiest option for you: http://casperjs.org/ 01:27 < rigel> i do need js execution 01:27 < rigel> and selenium seemed like the most coherent framework 01:27 < rigel> it does what i need 01:27 < kanzure> recently there was a webdriver written for selenium to work with phantomjs, but i haven't used it yet. 01:27 < rigel> thats why i was trying to class it out 01:27 < kanzure> class? 01:27 < rigel> yeah 01:28 < kanzure> can you show me what you're scraping? i'm sorta paid big piles of cash to do scraping things. 01:28 < rigel> not without giving you a login, i don't think 01:28 < rigel> one sec 01:29 < rigel> Quest Archive Manager 01:29 < rigel> that's the thing that prompted my interest 01:29 < rigel> btw, how can i get paid big piles of cash to do scraping things 01:30 < kanzure> know people who run companies 01:30 < kanzure> don't accept small gigs 01:30 < rigel> but i know you! 01:30 < rigel> isnt that enough?! 01:30 < kanzure> i recommend sticking with people who have >$100k/mo in revenue. 01:31 < kanzure> what are you grabbing from this quest thing? 01:31 < rigel> my fucking email archive 01:31 < rigel> that it is fucking impossible to search through otherwise 01:31 < rigel> emails older than 2mo get atchived 01:31 < kanzure> how does their js work? have you examined the outgoing requests? 01:32 < rigel> no, and i dont really want to learn js 01:32 < kanzure> you don't have to look at javascript to figure this out 01:32 < kanzure> http://mitmproxy.org/ 01:32 < kanzure> hook up your browser to that, use the system for a bit, then examine the http urls that are pinged by the browser. 01:32 < kanzure> they might be using some predictable api endpoint that you can spoof on your own 01:33 < kanzure> i mean, that you can spoof requests to 01:33 < rigel> they use what looks like uuid's to me 01:33 < kanzure> without having to run javascript 01:33 < rigel> that are consistent 01:33 < rigel> but i still need to get the list of them 01:33 < kanzure> and presumably they get the uuids from the server 01:35 < kanzure> paperbot: http://threatenedtaxa.org/ZooPrintJournal/2013/March/o309913iii133789-3920.pdf 01:37 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/141e86946374cd8003d363f4f376b08c.pdf 01:40 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:48 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:50 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:01 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has 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10:03 < archels> http://turingbirds.com/temp/Dielectric%20properties%20of%20tissues%20and%20biological%20materials%20-%20a%20critical%20review_Foster,%20Schwan_Crit.%20Rev.%20Biomedical%20Eng.%20Vol%2017,%20Issue%201%20(1989).pdf 10:07 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:15 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:07 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 < nmz787> kanzure: PM 11:29 < kanzure> ok replied 11:43 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i am still unconvinced of sympa. 11:47 < jrayhawk> Well, it can sit there until someone gives a shit. 11:50 < jrayhawk> In theory, there are a set of users who want something web-accessible. When somebody complains about a lack of web-accessible thing, they can be provided admin powers on that vhost. 11:51 < jrayhawk> So that they might solve problems for that set of users in a way that is fairly inoffensive to those outside that set. 11:52 < jrayhawk> I don't even remember who was complaining in the first place, but I do remember they quieted down after they were offered the power to run the thing. 11:52 < jrayhawk> So we win either way! 11:53 < kanzure> i agree that web accessibility is worth while 11:55 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:58 < kanzure> *worthwhile 11:59 < kanzure> i have been considering importing my diybio mailing list archives into sympa 11:59 < kanzure> because google groups keeps deteriorating in quality 11:59 < kanzure> and it would be nice to transition to a thing that has backups of old emails if a transition ever has to happen 11:59 < brownies> how about that hot new thing... Discourse? 11:59 < jrayhawk> Huh, good idea. 12:00 < kanzure> brownies: my requirements are it must be email 12:00 < kanzure> everyone and their mom has a web interface, but for some reason nobody cares about email. yet the majority of user activity seems to happen by email anyway. 12:00 < brownies> yeah, i tend to route github and other such conversation forums into my email too 12:00 < kanzure> disqus is not an acceptable solution 12:00 < brownies> kanzure: disqus != discourse 12:01 < brownies> i think Discourse has some email features. i haven't really fiddled with it enough. 12:01 < kanzure> this looks like non-email though http://www.discourse.org/ 12:01 < kanzure> all of their screenshots seem to indicate this is a proprietary platform 12:01 < kanzure> i think mailman/sympa is already a better option just by nature of not being a proprietary pile of shit 12:01 < kanzure> even though mailman is terribly written 12:02 < kanzure> "The state of forums has been unchanged for so long that forums are considered unworkable and undesirable; few sites want forums any more because the software is so poor." 12:02 < brownies> kanzure: http://i.imgur.com/CHBb44K.png 12:02 < kanzure> or it's because i don't want to maintain accounts on >500 forums -_- 12:02 < kanzure> "receive an email" that's not a mailing list 12:02 < brownies> yes, sure 12:02 < brownies> i'm just showing you their email features, for the sake of discussion 12:04 < kanzure> holy hell mailman uses launchpad :( 12:04 < kanzure> https://code.launchpad.net/mailman 12:04 < kanzure> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/files/head:/src/mailman/ 12:08 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:13 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:16 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 < jrayhawk> sympa is also terrible simply by virtue of being perl 12:24 < jrayhawk> but at least it supports vhosts and web posting 12:33 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:56 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:08 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:17 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- plur [~nonentity@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 < kanzure> bkero: blandy says https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=728373&action=diff 13:30 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:33 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 13:37 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 < bkero> kanzure: think that could be a start? 13:39 -!- jmil 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ParahSailin> more rational than the expected mainstream medicine or more rational that the expected medical outsider though 14:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:09 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23 < jrayhawk> The big differentiator will be network effects from accumulating data from researchers and patients (symptomologies, diagnostics, treatments, and outcomes), which is means essentially inherently any newcomer is "undeserving", but those who advocate beyond what they deserve are natural schelling points. 14:26 < jrayhawk> Lesswrong seems like at least a sounder footing for schelling point establishment than any other I can think of. 14:27 < jrayhawk> ParahSailin: have you been keeping up with the Robb Wolf Specialty Health stuff? it's also pretty neat 14:28 < jrayhawk> http://robbwolf.com/2013/03/20/paleo-diet-risk-assessment-update-2/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns2oS1WXDvc 14:29 -!- ra [~chatzilla@cpe-75-179-27-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29 < jrayhawk> Another medical epistemology consultancy upstart. 14:30 < ParahSailin> interesting, i used to follow robb wolf 14:33 < Urchin[emacs]> I guess I haven't been following much, but what I did notice is that there is a lot of research about doctors sucking when it comes to making decisions lately 14:36 < jrayhawk> That's heartening. 14:37 < jrayhawk> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0199212791/ http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm It's about damned time the field of medicine gets its come-uppance. 14:38 < jrayhawk> ugh, ourcivilisation.com is down 14:46 < Urchin[emacs]> I'm a physics student, but I do keep an eye at psychology for anything that helps with learning, teaching and doing physics 14:46 < Urchin[emacs]> among other things 14:56 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:58 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 -!- nmz787_ [~androirc@107.36.45.9] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 < nmz787_> Loads 15:18 < nmz787_> Klafka you around? 15:20 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033589410000803 15:20 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Bovid%20mortality%20profiles%20in%20paleoecological%20context%20falsify%20hypotheses%20of%20endurance%20runninghunting%20and%20passive%20scavenging%20by%20early%20Pleistocene%20hominins.pdf 15:22 < klafka_> hey 15:25 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined 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two UV-vis spectrophotometers 18:37 < yashgaroth> they are both currently sitting in my back seat 18:38 < kanzure> if the police pull you over to ask about them, just say "official science business" 18:38 < yashgaroth> I'm with the science board 18:38 < kanzure> you got it 18:39 < yashgaroth> if they give me any shit, there's still a glass jar with a kilo of sodium hydroxide in my glovebox 18:39 < yashgaroth> you know, just in case I need it 18:40 < superkuh> I have a UV-vis spectrophotometer but no deuterium bulb for it. 18:41 < yashgaroth> yeah they're hella expensive, luckily both of mine are still working for now 18:41 < superkuh> Still useful as a monochromator though. 18:59 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:00 -!- ra [~chatzilla@cpe-75-179-27-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- klafka 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on alibaba 19:54 < nmz787> yashgaroth: so you changed jobs? 19:54 < yashgaroth> yeah 19:54 < nmz787> damn dude, tell your companies to start hiring in portland 19:54 < nmz787> (if they're good companies) 19:54 < yashgaroth> none of them are 19:55 < yashgaroth> actually I was just at work today and we were remarking on how there's no biotech in portland 19:59 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:00 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:05 -!- Qfwfq_ [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 < nmz787> yashgaroth: you should remark how there should be biotech in pdx from now on 20:09 < yashgaroth> I shall take it to the highest levels of the science board 20:12 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- Qfwfq_ [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:16 -!- Qfwfq 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flames" (http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/starcraft-orcs-in-space-go-d...), in which the Starcraft dev talks about how a completely faked game, Dominion Storm, forced Blizzard to reboot Starcraft (for the better)...the game was faked at E3, where companies spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to secure floor space and throw big BS publicity ... 21:30 < kanzure> ... stunts, because that was the only way to get press attention." 21:35 -!- qu-bit [~shroedngr@unaffiliated/barriers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35 -!- archbox_ [~archie@unaffiliated/archbox] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- plur [~nonentity@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:01 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:09 -!- plur [~nonentity@121-73-87-49.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:20 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined 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