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11:52 <@fenn> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-80934-7_15
11:52 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/da6a9693d3ff2079df0d35944f87db3e.txt
11:54 < kanzure> Swordsman: hi
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12:04 < Swordsman> hey
12:08 < Swordsman> kanzure: what's up?
12:08 < kanzure> what brings you this way?
12:08 < Swordsman> oh
12:08 < kanzure> oh, you know. software. evil science.
12:08 < Swordsman> heheh
12:08 < Swordsman> well
12:09 < Swordsman> I'm working on some projects right now
12:10 < Swordsman> ...I tend to have like, a few dozen going all the time, I switch around between them a lot, I guess
12:10 < Swordsman> mostly software and computer type stuff
12:11 < Swordsman> I started learning more about electronics a while back for a project I was thinking about
12:11 < Swordsman> like, I was interested in integrated circuit design
12:12 < Swordsman> I decided to take another look at it and I decided that I'd seriously dig into chemistry (for real this time)
12:13 < Swordsman> I was looking for diy chemistry resources and found the wiki for diybio, went to the channel, and this channel was in the topic, so I figured I'd lurk here too
12:16 < Swordsman> basically right now I'm looking into various methods for alternative computing
12:18 < Swordsman> I'm looking at chemistry first, I want to get a good grasp on what's going on a t the lower levels
12:19 < chris_99> what type of chemistry are you looking at?
12:19 < Swordsman> well, I crammed organic chemistry into my head the last 3 days or so
12:21 < Swordsman> right now I'm trying to figure out if they're a way to fold a monolayer exactly in half by some chemical reaction so that the two halves overlap evenly
12:22 < Swordsman> that's the main idea I'm looking at right now, anyway, new ideas keep popping into my head
12:24 < Swordsman> like, I'm also wondering if it might be easier to just slide the other half over on top of it or something
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12:29 < Swordsman> basically, the idea, I guess, is that I want to form a bunch of equal length polymers of various monomer sequences, bind them together into a monolayer, and then fold it up into a cube
12:35 < Swordsman> at this point I'm still just trying to get a complete picture of how organic chemistry works, I guess
12:38 < Swordsman> which is more chem than bio, I guess
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12:39 < Swordsman> I'll probably start looking at bio stuff in a few days though, I think
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12:50 < ParahSail1n> polymers always form balls
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12:58 < Swordsman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_length
12:59 < Swordsman> ...wouldn't this imply that if a polymer is short enough, then it should stay straight(ish)?
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13:02 < Swordsman> or do you mean that they clump up, or something
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13:06 < kanzure> i was sort of expecting the nodecopters to be doing maneuvers like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIkqqVr_u9U but instead i just see up/down/left/right and some tilts.
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13:17 < kanzure> or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul7YboQA5OY
13:17 < kanzure> "We use polynomial splines to plan trajectories between waypoints in a known environment. The waypoints are found using the RRT* algorithm. We use an efficient and numerically stable method for solving for the polynomial coefficients and compute optimal speeds in a novel way that balances speed and "gracefulness" of the trajectory. For polynomial quadrotor trajectories and RRT*, see [Mellinger, et al., '11], [Karaman & Frazzoli, '10]"
13:22 < kanzure> paperbot: http://ijr.sagepub.com/content/31/5/664.short
13:22 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Trajectory%20generation%20and%20control%20for%20precise%20aggressive%20maneuvers%20with%20quadrotors.pdf
13:22 < kanzure> paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.0416
13:22 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Incremental%20Sampling-based%20Algorithms%20for%20Optimal%20Motion%20Planning.pdf
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13:57 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00108a035
13:57 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Isolation%2C%20partial%20characterization%2C%20and%20antinutritional%20activity%20of%20a%20factor%20%28pentosans%29%20in%20rye%20grain.pdf
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16:20 < brownies> am i cloaked?
16:21  * brownies pokes kanzure 
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16:55 < kanzure> https://github.com/nmichael/ipc-bridge
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18:31 < kanzure> paperbot!
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19:47 < kanzure> hooray paperbot returns
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20:39 < kanzure> juul: do you live with max ogden?
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21:50 < kanzure> why are they insinuating that i'm an fbi agent?
21:50 < kanzure> i would like to emphasize that i am not an fbi agent nor have i ever been
21:51 < kanzure> "impersonating an fbi agent" isn't exactly something i want to be charged with
21:51 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/-/dC0TG3L7vXwJ
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22:11 < nmz787_> where?
22:11 < kanzure> on that link
22:14 < nmz787_> hmm
22:14 < nmz787_> agent smith
22:14 < nmz787_> from The Matrix
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22:21 < strages_home> impersonating an fbi agent is when you refer to yourself as an fbi agent...
22:23 < kanzure> i think it might also include "misleading others to believe"
22:23 < kanzure> not sure
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22:26 < yashgaroth> haha when did cathal start using pgp signatures
22:27 < kanzure> when he switched off of gmail a few months ago
22:27 < kanzure> gene_hacker: sup?
22:28 < gene_hacker> not much
22:28 < gene_hacker> know a good decompiler by any chance?
22:28 < kanzure> what's the target architecture?
22:28 < gene_hacker> win32
22:28 < kanzure> ollydbg and ida pro
22:29 < kanzure> i think ida has a decompiling feature
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22:30 < Swordsman> I used ollydbg a while back
22:32 < Swordsman> I figured "hey, why not learn assembly?" / "hmm, it'd be kinda cool if I could just type out an executable's bytecode in notepad via altcodes without having to rely on a compiler"
22:33 < kanzure> i wrote a disassembler because fuck notepad or staring at bytecode all day.
22:33 < Swordsman> ida didn't work for me, I couldn't even get it to run
22:33 < Swordsman> though that was more due to the environment I was working in at the time
22:35 < Swordsman> I went looking for assembly tutorials and they were all rather slow paced, so I figured it'd be easier to reverse engineer something so that I could get a feel for the sort of code that actually gets used, that compilers generate
22:36 < Swordsman> all of my roommates at the time used utorrent and it was kept cuasing congestion on the network even when there weren't any torrents going, due to their dht system
22:36 < kanzure> i don't see what torrenting has to do with shitty assembly documentation
22:37 < kanzure> just read the instruction set documentation.
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22:38 < Swordsman> they like to brag about how small their executable is, so I figured that I'd use ollydbg's comment section on the righthand side to write pseudocode generally describing what each byte in the program
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22:39 < Swordsman> I decompiled about 30% of it by hand over the course of a week, and then windows update decided to restart my system while I wasn't looking
22:40 < kanzure> why are you using windows
22:40 < Swordsman> I'm not anymore
22:40 < Swordsman> this was years ago
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22:42 < kanzure> nmz787_: ah i didn't consider that it might be a reference to the matrix. since we were talking about the fbi i assumed they meant fbi agents.
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22:45 < Swordsman> I think the point I was trying to make was "yeah, ollydbg's pretty nice"
22:45 < Swordsman> I haven't slept in a while ._.
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22:47 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoAp0pzqLY4
22:47 < kanzure> .title
22:47 < yoleaux> Autonomous Recharging for Persistent Missions with Quadrotors - YouTube
22:51 < kanzure> i am not sure how that works. it looks like there are large metal contact pads that those quadrotors are landing on?
22:55 < strages_home> yep, not even inductive it looks like.
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22:56 < kanzure> hmm. i think it should be possible to print out a plastic docking station for automatically switching out a lipo battery.
22:57 < kanzure> with some locking mechanism to actually attach it to the device.
22:58 < Swordsman> https://fling.seas.upenn.edu/~yashm/wiki/pub/files/YashThesis.pdf
22:58 < Swordsman> page 21
22:59 < yashgaroth> wha- oh
23:00 < kanzure> haha ROS + matlab. i hope that's a joke.
23:00 < kanzure> the ROS part is fine. but matlab.. :/
23:00 < Swordsman> huh. it's marked as page 13 in the pdf.
23:02 < kanzure> page 2 has an ok photo. it's definitely a contact pad. i would think swapping out batteries would be cheaper than leaving a device charging for 90 minutes.. but whatever.
23:04 < kanzure> On similar lines, another group has
23:04 < kanzure> been working towards implementing a battery swapping station for small co-axial
23:04 < kanzure> helicopters[10]."
23:05 < kanzure> paperbot: https://fling.seas.upenn.edu/~yashm/wiki/pub/files/YashThesis.pdf
23:05 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 318, in parse_html)
23:05 < kanzure> what.
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23:07 < kanzure> File "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 177, in download_url
23:07 < kanzure> it really shouldn't get there because the previous few lines are checking for content-type == "application/pdf".. this server seems to return the correct content-type header.
23:09 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L173
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23:11 < kanzure> oh well. it's time for a rewrite anyway.
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23:15 < gene_hacker> autonomously recharging quadrotors eh?
23:15 < gene_hacker> got a group around here doing that
23:16 < gene_hacker> they're working on making a building awareness system that has turtle bots with inductive charging pads for quadcopters to charge on
23:19 < kanzure> ok paperbot issue added, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/11
23:19 < kanzure> also, i merged in cathal's pdfparanoia updates, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/pull/23
23:26 < kanzure> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=5509165
23:26 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/56dc111cbf4502d5666c7f3dab6647fc.pdf
23:29 < kanzure> figure 4 does not look inviting.
23:29 < kanzure> it looks like the batteries are placed on a rotating platform
23:30 < kanzure> and then there's a funnel that the unit lands into ig uess
23:30 < kanzure> *i guess
23:30 < kanzure> is that a.. skateboard wheel?
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23:31 < cpopell> Hm
23:31 < cpopell> I think GRASP is working on that, btw
23:32 < kanzure> "The octagonal stage can store and charge up to eight batteries in fiberglass compartments allowing one helicopter to fly indefinitely. "
23:32 < gene_hacker> nope that's vex robotics parts
23:33 < kanzure> please don't take away my nerd cred, i promise i'll play with more vex.
23:35 < gene_hacker> don't, vex sucks
23:36 < gene_hacker> it's also way overpriced
23:43 < kanzure> this paper doesn't make sense. their battery swapping mechanism seems to be "we use magnets" but how do they disengage the helicopter's magnets when removing the battery?
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23:44 < kanzure> i guess they just use more force than the helicopter's magnets.
23:44 < kanzure> and i guess the batteries are guaranteed to stay attached throughout operation? some of these devices move at >2G, wouldn't the batteries just fly off?
23:51 < kanzure> paperbot: http://ijr.sagepub.com/content/31/5/664.short
23:51 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Trajectory%20generation%20and%20control%20for%20precise%20aggressive%20maneuvers%20with%20quadrotors.pdf
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