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00:33 < kanzure> win 31
00:33 < kanzure> gah.
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00:39 < Swordsman> eh? win3.1?
00:39 < kanzure> no. irssi input error.
00:40 < Swordsman> ah.
00:42 < Swordsman> I seem to keep bumping into transhumanism, heh
00:42 < Swordsman> like, over the last decade
00:43 < Swordsman> the stuff on the wiki is quite relevant to my interests
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00:44 < Swordsman> specifically, I've been interested in artificial intelligence since I was a kid
00:45 < Swordsman> and what's actually physically going on under the hood, when it comes to human thought processes
00:46 < Swordsman> I figure that that sort of information won't be accessible until technology advances quite a bit further though, so I'm more interested in trying to push technology forward because I've been curious for so long
00:47 < Swordsman> I used to read yudkowsky, which got me into lesswrong / overcomingbias, then I forgot about it for a while
00:47 < Swordsman> and now here I am again, entirely by accident
00:48 < kanzure> oh i see "In that system, a servo motor rotates the battery case in order to cause shear in the magnets and allow battery disengagement from the UAV."
00:49 < Swordsman> basically what I'm trying to focus on right now is... I want to see if I can figure out a way for people to build high performance circuits, at low cost, easily, at home
00:49 < kanzure> Swordsman: i wouldn't put much stock in eliezer's operations.
00:50 < Swordsman> I've got most of the model in my head already, there's just one, maybe two more steps left in it
00:50 < kanzure> Swordsman: furthermore, most of the recent results seem to be coming from brain emulation ("let's use science to inform what we do on computers") rather than artificial intelligence labs.
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00:52 < Swordsman> yeah
00:52 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf
00:52 < Swordsman> I'm not so interested in simulating artificial intelligence
00:53 < Swordsman> I want to come up with ways to mass develop cheap high performance circuits that will make it easier to process large amounts of data, including experimental results from things like brain simulations, eeg scans, etc.
00:53 < kanzure> cheapest way is to own the factory
00:54 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/homecmos
00:54 < Swordsman> ah, awesome
00:54 < Swordsman> gonna read through, one sec
00:55 < kanzure> but honestly you can get good performance out of ec2 anyway.
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00:56 < Swordsman> hmm, well, I think the idea I have in mind might get closer to the nm scale
00:56 < Swordsman> but, this is great, thanks
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00:57 < Swordsman> well, I also like to tinker with stuff
00:57 < Swordsman> and I'd like to be able to come up with a design that'd be extremely easy and safe for anyone
00:58 < Swordsman> I'm thinking about going espcially for a reconfigurable system design, so that peple don't have to do all the hardware engineering aspects, they can just reload a new config onto the same hardware
00:59 < kanzure> paperbot: http://xs3d.kaist.ac.kr/paperdata/2011/2011-JIRS-Morrison-UAV%20bat%20replace-Online%20First.pdf
01:00 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5328bb92cefa879e87a1f55ccb3667c9.pdf
01:00 < Swordsman> and I've pretty much got this worked out... I have this method in mind that I used to use for transforming memory layouts to compensate for various gpu memory sublties back when I was doing game dev
01:01 < Swordsman> it's really quite simple and straightforward
01:02 < Swordsman> so if I can just figure out a way to translate a few rigid square arrays of elements relative to eachother while keeping them intact, then it'll work
01:02 < Swordsman> whether it's folding them, or stacking them, or whatever
01:04 < Swordsman> the end result would be that anyone would be able to make their own cpu / gpu at home, and scale it up as much as they like, for very little cost
01:07 < Swordsman> so yeah, that's what I'm trying to do
01:08 < Swordsman> it's slightly similar to photolithography methods, but it'd remove all the NRE costs
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01:11 < Swordsman> which might not be much got the μm level, but it gets pretty high as you get closer to nm
01:12 < Swordsman> got = at
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01:13 < Swordsman> like, you're looking at anywhere from $100k to $500m, I gues
01:13 < Swordsman> er, guess
01:13 < Swordsman> unless if you're going with electron beam lithography, which is painfully slow
01:14 < Swordsman> and still requires some expensive equipment, so it wouldn't be accessible to everyone
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01:18 < Swordsman> in addition, it could probably produce fully 3d circuits
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01:22 < Swordsman> there're other advantages it might also have, but I'm not 100% SURE ABOUT THOSE YET
01:22 < Swordsman> caps
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01:23 < Swordsman> but in terms of diy computational hardware at virtually no cost, I'm pretty certain about that
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01:27 < Swordsman> oh, hm.
01:28 < Swordsman> I think I just had an idea for how this might work, actually
01:30 < Swordsman> anyway, if I do manage to get this working, I'll bring you guys the details of how to put it all together, since I can see it being helpful with some of the various nanotech stuff on the wiki
01:30 < Swordsman> if you want, anyway
01:32 < Swordsman> I'm still new to this so maybe I'm missing something, heh
01:32 < Swordsman> but... yeah
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03:08 < archels> paperbot handles filenames correctly now?
03:08 < archels> paperbot: http://turingbirds.com/temp/Dielectric%20properties%20of%20tissues%20and%20biological%20materials%20-%20a%20critical%20review_Foster,%20Schwan_Crit.%20Rev.%20Biomedical%20Eng.%20Vol%2017,%20Issue%201%20(1989).pdf
03:09 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/73d9a3b4c7bf9c8f525712ac66c0e46d.pdf
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03:13 < archels> no :(
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03:14 < archels> kanzure: still looking for a good place to post this paper that I scanned ^
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04:48 < kanzure> archels: feel free to write a patch, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
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04:51 < kanzure> http://biotinkering.org/ http://www.raumfahrtagentur.org/
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06:19 < archels> kanzure: how about reverting to the filename in the URL if `title` parses as a hex value?
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10:42 < kanzure> archels: because often the url has a terrible string that would not be useful
10:47 < kanzure> hmm http://www.opensourcewarehouse.org/contributing-to-the-oshw-doc-jam-from-all-over-the-world-plus-confirmed-location/
10:47 < kanzure> god damn it, more google docs. what happened to just putting a file in a repository.
10:49 < kanzure> this is the lamest shit i've seen in a while.
10:49 < kanzure> yeah ok these people are clueless.
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11:09 < kanzure> https://developer.etrade.com/ctnt/dev-portal/getDetail?contentUri=V0_Documentation-MarketAPI-GetQuotes
11:09 < kanzure> dunno if i prefer quantopian.com or not..
11:09 < kanzure> or IB.
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11:23 < archels> kanzure: this is only for when extracting the title from the json object has failed
11:23 < archels> how about this format: "[hostname] filename.pdf"
11:23 < archels> e.g. [iopscience.iop.org] 1741-2552_9_5_056007.pdf
11:24 < archels> which is still a little better than 499998c9cf42322c2029b6a7a0a38a54.pdf
11:24 < kanzure> if you submit a patch then i will merge it in and we can test it for a while.
11:25 < archels> that involves actually setting up phenny somewhere :\
11:25 < kanzure> not entirely
11:25 < kanzure> it works without phenny
11:25 < kanzure> it doesn't even import anything phenny-related.
11:26 < archels> right, just call it from the ipython shell or so?
11:26 < kanzure> yes
11:26 < kanzure> also if you are feeling super helpful, then you could write some unit tests.
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11:28 < eudoxia> < kanzure> god damn it, more google docs. what happened to just putting a file in a repository.
11:28 < eudoxia> the OSE wiki is worse
11:28 < eudoxia> a bajillion embedded things from a million different places
11:29 < eudoxia> tables, files and pictures for every page are split among at least a dozen different google docs sort of things, timeline and slides plugins, some of which don't even work anymore
11:29 < kanzure> "oh we'll just use semantic mediawiki! everything will be ok!" noooot.
11:30 < klafka> someone needs to make a wiki implementation that doesn't suck
11:30 < kanzure> ikiwiki
11:31 < klafka> actually ok tnhat would be nice a wiki that ran and set itself up off an ami automagically
11:31 < eudoxia> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set embedded TED and vimeo
11:31 < eudoxia> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/CEB_Press embedded google docs
11:31 < kanzure> klafka: ikiwiki is very close to running straight out of an ami. sudo apt-get install ikiwiki.
11:31 < eudoxia> and what the fuck is that cooliris thing
11:31 < klafka> oh nice
11:31 < kanzure> or you could install jrayhawk's piny packages.
11:31 < kanzure> this was the point of making diyhpl.us/wiki use git but it seems to be lost on everyone.
11:32 < eudoxia> frankly i've finally realized why kanz was right all along and a bunch of markdown files in a git repo beat the shit out of everything else
11:32 < eudoxia> oh and they have an issuu plugin too
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11:32 < kanzure> it is not useful being right if people only realize it 5 years later
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11:34 < eudoxia> i like the cover on this http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/2012_Annual_Report
11:35 < jrayhawk> i think gitit is probably okay too but i haven't really played with it
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11:38 < kanzure> reprap.org suffers from an almost similar problem. sebastien is good at getting people to use the wiki but mediawiki is awful.
11:43 < brownies> github's markdown-wikis are pretty idiot-proof. it'd be nice to just have those standalone
11:43 < kanzure> there are some gems that do that
11:43 < kanzure> and they are already clonable
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11:50 < nmz787_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlas4vQTp8E
11:50 < nmz787_> .title
11:50 < yoleaux> Is China Engineering Smarter Babies? - YouTube
11:50 < nmz787_> i'm banned somewhere?
11:51 < nmz787_> ##electronics Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
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12:00 < eudoxia> i am rather disappointed that nobody sells watches with Unix time
12:01 < nmz787> i guess this is the 'original' article http://www.vice.com/read/chinas-taking-over-the-world-with-a-massive-genetic-engineering-program
12:02 < nmz787> reall though it's just selection
12:02 < nmz787> the research is in what's interesting to select for
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12:05 < kanzure> nmz787: ##electronics requires you to be registered to join
12:05 < kanzure> registered and authenticated
12:11 < ParahSailin> good for china-- first country in the world to eradicate Down's syndrome, a completely preventable congenital disorder
12:24 < nmz787> ParahSailin: that's been done already?
12:27 < ParahSailin> i figured thats what your link above was referencing
12:27 < nmz787> no BGI is sequencing smart people and looking for similarities
12:27 < nmz787> then using that info to select IVF candidates
12:27 < ParahSailin> ah
12:28 < ParahSailin> one child policy has been strong incentive to abort when chromosomal abnormalities are detected
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12:30 < nmz787> local couple sues hospital for 'wrongful birth' when prenatal scan fails to mention down syndrome http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/03/portland_couple_sues_legacy_he.html
12:32 < ParahSailin> damn, mosaic downs
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12:43 < kanzure> "How come +Bryan Bishop is such a genius and still doesn't have a Nobel Prize or something?"
12:43 < kanzure> what the hell internet
12:43 < kanzure> so i am a nobel prize winning fbi agent ??
12:43 < kanzure> i am so conflicted
12:49 < nmz787> who said that?
12:50 < kanzure> someone on googleplus; i just get alerts.
12:50 < nmz787> damn dude
12:50 < nmz787> no one says i deserve a nobel
12:50 < nmz787> that i know of
12:50 < nmz787> i say congrats to internet famedom
12:51 < kanzure> tell you what. i'll put in a word for you.
12:51 < kanzure> nobel prizes for everyone!
12:51 < kanzure> i think zuck's prize is cooler though.
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12:52 < kanzure> this one http://www.breakthroughprizeinlifesciences.org/
12:52 < kanzure> "The Breakthrough Prize in Life Sciences is founded by Art Levinson, Sergey Brin, Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner to recognize excellence in research aimed at curing intractable diseases and extending human life"
12:52 < kanzure> "Founding sponsors of the Breakthrough Prize in Life Sciences include Sergey Brin and Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner, who collectively have agreed to establish 5 annual prizes, US$3 million each, going forward."
12:54 < klafka> yeah that's pretty cool
12:59 < nmz787> bah
13:00 < nmz787> SF isn't exactly switzerland or norway or sweden (wherever the nobel thing is from)
13:02 < kanzure> has the nobel prize award money kept with inflation?
13:02 < nmz787> i never really thought it was about the money
13:02 < kanzure> lots of scientists are broke, the money helps.
13:03 < kanzure> "The purse has increased since the 1980s, when the prize money was 880 000 SEK ($350,000 USD ish in 2007-2012 money)"
13:03 < kanzure> "In 2009, the monetary award was 10 million SEK ($1.4 million USD)"
13:03 < kanzure> "In June 2012, it was lowered to 8 million SEK" huh
13:06 < kanzure> there seems to be a "new lab equipment" bias in nobel prizes (which is okay, just an interesting trend). i wonder if that will happen with zuck's fund.
13:06 < nmz787> what do you mean
13:06 < nmz787> against buying new equipment?
13:06 < nmz787> against buying new equipment?
13:07 < kanzure> biased towards awarding to individuals who have built new types of lab equipment
13:07 < kanzure> positive-bias
13:07 < nmz787> lab companies donating the $
13:07 < nmz787> ?
13:07 < kanzure> no
13:07 < kanzure> a bias does not necessarily mean corruption
13:08 < kanzure> for instance, there were prizes awarded for the work involved in constructing or resulting from the construction of the electron microscope, thermocycler, etc.
13:08 < kanzure> and polypeptide synthesizers.
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13:12 < ParahSailin> there was a nobel prize for thermocycler?
13:13 < kanzure> kary mullis
13:13 < kanzure> http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1993/press.html
13:13 < kanzure> "with half to Dr Kary B. Mullis, La Jolla, California, U.S.A., for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) method,"
13:15 < kanzure> "Session One (May 14-15, 1992), was recorded at Cetus Corporation, Emeryville, California. Kwok, Sninsky, Saiki, Scharf, Leath, Widunas, Jones, Watson, Respess, Erlich, Gelfand, Mullis and Faloona discussed the invention of the PCR technique, early applications, and development of technologies for automating the process, c. 1980-1992, including:"
13:15 < kanzure> "invention of the pcr technique; design and engineering of automated thermocycling machines; development of commercial thermocycling instruments;"
13:16 < kanzure> "operations of Mr. Cycle, the first generation cycling machine; demonstrations of the second- and third-generation thermocycling machines; Perkin-Elmer TC 4800 and 9600 thermocyclers; demonstration of the gel electrophoreses process using the TPCR 9600; gel from first successful experiment;"
13:16 < kanzure> haha first successful gel... that's going a bit far.
13:16 < kanzure> confirmation is important but i dunno about mounting the gel on the wall or something.
13:16 < nmz787> ahh, i thought you meant bias for how a winner spent the money
13:18 < kanzure> i wonder if that video session is on youtube
13:20 < kanzure> damn. no.
13:20 < kanzure> "The first thermocycling machine, "Mr. Cycle" was developed by Cetus engineers to address that need to add fresh enzyme to each test tube after the heating and cooling process. And the purification of the Taq polymerase resulted in the need for a machine to cycle more rapidly among different temperatures. In 1985, Cetus formed a joint venture with the Perkin-Elmer Corporation in Norwalk, Connecticut, and introduced the DNA Thermal Cycler."
13:21 < kanzure> "By 1988, Cetus was receiving numerous inquiries about licensing to perform PCR for commercial diagnostic purposes. On January 15, 1989, Cetus announced an agreement to collaborate with Hoffman-LaRoche on the development and commercialization of in vitro human diagnostic products and services based on PCR technology. Roche Molecular Systems eventually bought the PCR patent and associated technology from Cetus for $300,000,000."
13:21 < kanzure> "Ramunas Kondratas, curator at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History (NMAH), documented the discovery, development, commercialization, and applications of PCR technology. Three sessions were recorded May 14 and May 15, 1992 at Emeryville, California; September 25, 1992 at Alameda, California; and February 25, 1993 at Norwalk, Connecticut."
13:21 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0197458004001411
13:21 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Contribution%20of%20the%20MTHFR%20gene%20to%20the%20causal%20pathway%20for%20depression%2C%20anxiety%20and%20cognitive%20impairment%20in%20later%20life.pdf
13:24 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_v._Roche "Stanford v. Roche, 563 U.S. ___ (2011), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that title in a patented invention vests first in the inventor, even if the inventor is a researcher at a federally funded lab subject to the 1980 Bayh–Dole Act.[1] The judges affirmed the common understanding of US Constitutional law that inventors originally own inventions they make, and ...
13:24 < kanzure> ... contractual obligations to assign those rights to third parties are secondary.[2]"
13:24 < kanzure> (different patents) "When Stanford sued Roche for infringing the patents in 2005, Roche countered by claiming that it jointly owned the patents, due an agreement that a Stanford faculty member, Dr. Mark Holodniy, signed in the late 1980s when he did research at Cetus, the biotechnology company that invented PCR and that was later acquired by Roche."
13:24 < kanzure> "When Holodniy had joined the faculty of Stanford shortly before he had visited Cetus, he, like all scientific personnel at companies and research institutions, had signed an agreement in which he agreed that his employer would own any inventions he made. Stanford's agreement, in particular, stated that he "'agree[d] to assign' to Stanford his 'right, title and interest in' inventions resulting from his employment at the University."[1]:2"
13:24 < kanzure> "The Stanford lab in which Holodniy worked had been working on developing better HIV tests, and wanted to try the new PCR method, so Holodniy's supervisor had arranged for him to work at Cetus to learn the technique. .. After completing his training at Cetus, Holodniy then returned to Stanford where he and other Stanford employees tested the HIV measurement technique. Over the next few years, Stanford obtained written assignments of rights ...
13:24 < kanzure> ... from the Stanford employees, including Holodniy, and filed several patent applications related to the procedure."
13:24 < kanzure> hah.
13:25 < kanzure> that seems to be the same cetus that commercialized the first thermocycler
13:25 < kanzure> "the new PCR method" probably refers to kary mullis' pcr method and not a particular variation
13:27 < kanzure> oh i didn't know kary mullis was working for cetus when he patented it. that's curious.
13:27 < kanzure> "Dr. Kary Mullis at Cetus Corporation conceives of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR). PCR is a simple yet elegant process that enables the production of virtually unlimited copies of genetic material in the laboratory."
13:28 < kanzure> "Although the Nobel Prize for the conception of PCR was given to Kary Mullis, Ph.D., in 1993, the technology was developed and applied by the labs of Henry Erlich, Ph.D., David Gelfand, Ph.D., and other teams of scientists at Cetus. The full history of the technology’s development and application is marked by an extraordinary collaboration of scientists working in a corporate setting."
13:30 < kanzure> pfft there's a patent on the pcr microcentrifuge tube http://www.google.com/patents/US6015534 issued in 2000 (seems sorta late for that)
13:33 < kanzure> "On Monday, March 27, 1989, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for DNA THERMAL CYCLER by Perkin-Elmer Corporation, The, NORWALK 068590181. The USPTO has given the DNA THERMAL CYCLER trademark serial number of 73789096. The current federal status of this trademark filing is ABANDONED-FAILURE TO RESPOND OR LATE RESPONSE."
13:34 < kanzure> man all those patents on pcr are really sad. their claims seem to overlap a lot and none of the patent examiners are the same people.
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13:42 < ParahSailin> ah i didnt realize the thermocycler was included in the PCR nobel
13:43 < kanzure> well.. pcr definitely came first before any machines, but it was the same people. the award text also does not specifically point to the machine either. but they are both strongly related i think.
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14:21 < ParahSailin> i would hope that any invention would imply some sort of physical manifestation
14:26 < kanzure> i think they had some patents on the protocols themselves.
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14:46 < ParahSailin> i wonder when sperm sexing will become popular for the chinese ultra-rich
14:47 < ParahSailin> sperm sexing takes huge bull loads to get enough to knock up a cow, but it probably wouldnt cost that much more to accurately sort smaller amounts
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15:11 < kanzure> nmz787: cathal's response is pretty funny. he seems to have a very negative opinion of gamete modification.
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16:15 < nmz787> kanzure: yeah or we're just non-ethical? too logical?
16:21 < kanzure> i don't think his opinion is tractable. if you took his opinion to its conclusions then it would mean something like "people should not be allowed to think about who they breed with".
16:21 < kanzure> btw randalla1ordon is also idling in here
16:23 < nmz787> ahh
16:24 < nmz787> the real question was regarding the country with most progressive laws (or most lax)
16:25 < ParahSailin> technology is way too primitive to do any useful gamete modification
16:26 < nmz787> seems like that's because there are too many people scared of god to even start trying
16:27 < ParahSailin> no, there's not even decent technology to do useful transfection of cell lines in dishes
16:27 < nmz787> how do we have whole lines of mice knockouts?
16:27 < nmz787> gfp mice, etc
16:27 < nmz787> ?
16:28 < ParahSailin> for some value of "useful"
16:28 < ParahSailin> its possible to knock out a gene or put one in
16:28 < ParahSailin> there are uses in a lab for that
16:28 < ParahSailin> there's nothing that would be useful in the context of eugenics that can be done at our current technology
16:29 < nmz787> gfp baby
16:29 < ParahSailin> exactly
16:31 < ParahSailin> i dont think there's even a way to do a snp recombination transfection
16:31 < nmz787> or actually lux
16:31 < ParahSailin> much less a dozen snps at a time to be useful in eugenics
16:32 < ParahSailin> much less the ability to modify regulatory elements or predict the effects of that
16:33 < ParahSailin> of course cathal believes its unethical to eat animals, so why are we paying attention to his ethical theories
16:35 < nmz787> i consider his opinion, he's usually pretty smart about things it seems
16:36 < nmz787> how else would i bust into a new paradigmn, if i don't question my own?
16:37 < kanzure> i think you can do genome assembly if you are willing to pay a lot
16:38 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i don't presently remember cathal's stance on gmo food either. since he's european, i imagine it's negative. i would expect given his biology background that it would be less negative. yet, seeing his responses here indicates that i am completely unable to predict his opinion.
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16:55 < nmz787> well if you were able to predict what he were to say, you'd not hear anything new from him ever
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17:16 < kanzure> BioGuy: hey.
17:16 < BioGuy> Hey!
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17:54 < ParahSail1n> i thought the euopean opposition to gmo was merely trade war shenanigans
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18:10 < BioGuy> So, I'm thinking a good starter project for working with Python would be to write a program to search through the ##hplusroadmap logs. So any pythonistas here do you have any suggestions? Can this all be accomplished with the standard library? Which modules would you suggest primarily looking into?
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18:17 < eudoxia> import os
18:17 < eudoxia> def search(derp):
18:18 < eudoxia>     os.system('grep ' + derp + ' *.log')
18:19 < eudoxia> on that note, i've been meaning to write a script that downloads today's log every couple of minutes
18:19 < ParahSail1n> BioGuy, help out with paperbot
18:19 < BioGuy> paperbot?
18:19 < ParahSail1n> paperbot needs to be able to scrape more sites
18:20 < eudoxia> and uses libnotify to search for terms of interest
18:20 < BioGuy> thanks for the tips!
18:20 < ParahSail1n> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
18:21 < eudoxia> (correction: it uses libnotify to alert me when it's found something of interest, like when kirka logs on or people start talking about mnt)
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18:24 < BioGuy> paperbot looks interesting, but I'm not sure if I quite understand how it works.
18:24 < BioGuy> hi paperbot
18:24 < BioGuy> Ha! That didn't do anything
18:25 < ParahSail1n> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v450/n7168/full/nature06325.html
18:25 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Crystal%20structure%20of%20the%20human%202%20adrenergic%20G-protein-coupled%20receptor.pdf
18:25 < eudoxia> somebody needs to implement .paperbotsnack
18:25 < eudoxia> somebody = kanzure
18:26 < eudoxia> or i guess i could give it a try
18:26 < ParahSail1n> paperbot: http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sigtrans;4/191/ra60
18:26 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bae2146a588663bdcbc033f0758f14c1.txt
18:26 < ParahSail1n> paperbot: http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/sigtrans;4/191/ra60
18:26 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/eb539b0a9f0223d3a7514f5f5e394599.txt
18:26 < eudoxia> dammit paperbot we're trying to show you off to BioGuy stop failing like that
18:27 < ParahSail1n> no, this is exactly what bioguy needs to see
18:27 < ParahSail1n> on some publishers, paperbot can't scrape
18:28 < BioGuy> HAHA! So if you reference something behind a pay wall it finds an actual copy?
18:28 < BioGuy> ROFL @ ParaSail1n
18:28 < BioGuy> That is really cool!
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18:29 < ParahSail1n> bioguy yes it is located inside a paywall
18:29 < eudoxia> in an undisclosed location~
18:30 < BioGuy> so do you manually feed it sites where the article is available or are there "scraper sites" that can find the article?
18:30 < BioGuy> Ahhh
18:30 < eudoxia> you give it the url and it extracts it directly
18:30 < BioGuy> Thats awesome!
18:31 < eudoxia> took me a whole afternoon to figure out how it works
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18:34 < BioGuy> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bip.360340210/abstract
18:34 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c12baf5c5c7658c41c0110599eff8095.txt
18:35 < BioGuy> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bip.360340210/pdf
18:35 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b16020afcae6e58b52694b70b3d627b8.txt
18:36 < ParahSail1n> yeah, wiley doesnt work so good
18:36 < ParahSail1n> try sciencedirect
18:38 < eudoxia> i'm like the only guy here who's never used paperbot, it feels kinda weird
18:38 < eudoxia> alright paperbot, i don't know you and you don't know me, but i think we can make this work
18:38 < eudoxia> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/nl400542n
18:38 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/57aab5cad8625c8b413baa3d39c069b6.pdf
18:39 < eudoxia> .paperbotsnack
18:39 < eudoxia> i sure hope i don't get droned for this
18:40 < ParahSail1n> BioGuy, another thing you could work on is making it give helpful names for the ones it fetches vs the hex hash stuff
18:40 < ParahSail1n> for a lot, it grabs the names already http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/
18:41 < BioGuy> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0005278772904261
18:41 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20gel%20electrophoresis%20of%20DNA.txt
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18:42 < BioGuy> I would love to add what I could... but I feel like I'm a bit out of my league. ie I have no idea what hex hash is ---though I do know what hexadecimal is!
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18:43 < ParahSail1n> hash is how dict works
18:43 < eudoxia> i know what a hash is but i don't know where hex comes into play
18:44 < BioGuy> I really want to tell other people about paperbot, but I don't want to get anyone into any copyright legal troubles.
18:45 < BioGuy> Kanzure are you worried about that at all?
18:45 < eudoxia> title = "%0.2x" % random.getrandbits(128)
18:45 < eudoxia> oh so that's what it is
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19:02 < ParahSail1n> ah, so not a hash
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20:27 < kanzure> BioGuy: you can use an existing irc log parser, like one of these https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=irc+log&submit=search
20:29 < kanzure> eudoxia: yes, i just use a random filename when i don't trust the given url.
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21:22 < balrog> paperbot: http://link.springer.com.libproxy.temple.edu/book/10.1007/b100535/page/1
21:22 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3e22c7ceee8ab858e8bc064ab07e9e0a.txt
21:23 < balrog> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/b100535/page/1
21:23 < paperbot> error: HTTP 300 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9cfd924647c123abd9ee79a7bf562db9.txt
21:33 < kanzure> i have no clue where all these shanghai keep getting my email address from. is this just random spam?
21:33 < kanzure> *shanghai companies
21:33 < kanzure> this time it's "we are a professional producer of tungsten carbide cutters"
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22:31 < klafka_> With $6.5M In Tow, Bina Technologies Wants To Bring Big Data Insight To Genomic Sequencing
22:31 < klafka_> LOL
22:32 < klafka_> no one in genome sequencing is using large amounts of data
22:35 < brownies> there's only 4 letters! how can the data be big!
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22:49 < kanzure> microryza got into ycombinator?
22:58 < klafka_> oh really?
22:58 < brownies> what the hell do they even do?
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22:58 < klafka_> 'kicstarter for scientific resaerch'
22:58 < klafka_> *research
22:58 < kanzure> bleh
23:00 < klafka_> man so far my scipy.weave code is way faster than numba's auto jit
23:00 < klafka_> now i'm testing it against scipy.spatial.distance.jaccard
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23:06 < klafka_> it's crazy but i think that my shit is faster
23:07 < klafka_> oh yes
23:07 < klafka_> the scipy code is pure python / numpy
23:07 < kanzure> numba is the python/llvm thing?
23:07 < klafka_> yeah
23:07 < klafka_> i'm really dissapointed about numba though
23:07 < klafka_> I think I'm going to post to their list and see if I am doing something wrong
23:07 < kanzure> btw have you used hive or pig?
23:08 < klafka_> no
23:08 < klafka_> we dont' use hadoop and I haven't really had too much interest in setting that hsit up
23:08 < klafka_> shit
23:09 < klafka_> and numexpr won't work with what i'm doing
23:14 < kanzure> wait, why are you working on work things so late
23:16 < brownies> 11pm monday? sounds like regular work hours to me
23:18 < klafka_> kanzure: idk why not?
23:18 < klafka_> i like wor
23:18 < klafka_> k
23:26 < kanzure> not being slave driven?
23:35 < klafka_> nope
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23:48 < kanzure> "You could still use the plain old browser web cache to track users. Send a unique image to each user with a long expiry time with an id embedded in it somewhere, then on the page, simply read the image using javascript/canvas to get the id."
23:53 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_ETag#Tracking_using_ETags
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