--- Log opened Tue Apr 02 00:00:45 2013 00:02 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32 <@kanzure> i think plosone.org is having some problems. 00:32 -!- SolG [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:32 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34 <@kanzure> archels: haha NEURON training courses are $1350/person. that's crazy. 00:37 <@kanzure> i wonder if that's a single day of training. what are they going to teach, the grammar rules for the model files? 01:01 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@204.101.190.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@204.101.190.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:57 < archels> kanzure: yeah, their pricing is crazy. 01:57 < archels> I think the course is 3 days or so 01:57 < archels> at least all the bigshots are there, Carnevale, Hines and Sejnowski 01:58 < archels> but the price makes it rather unaccessible to PhD candidates or below 02:07 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: brb] 02:21 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:02 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 03:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:15 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-20-213-35.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:24 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-20-213-35.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:36 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:26 -!- augur_ [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-20-178-215.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:33 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:09 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:12 -!- ielo is now known as lumos 05:13 -!- lumos [~ielo@host-92-20-178-215.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:13 -!- lumos [~ielo@unaffiliated/lumos] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:14 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-24.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:15 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:23 -!- joshcryer [g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has quit [] 05:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:28 -!- abetusk [~abetusk@cpe-24-58-232-122.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:31 -!- lumos is now known as a_b0yg1rl 05:33 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-24.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-24.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-24.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 05:49 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-24.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:54 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-24.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:59 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:01 -!- a_b0yg1rl is now known as lumos 06:08 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:20 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:28 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 06:36 -!- randallagordon [~randall@174-25-88-93.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:43 -!- randallagordon [~randall@174-25-106-232.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:16 <@kanzure> :sob: my sister wants to go into.... bioethics. 07:36 < ThomasEgi> ethics... 07:36 < ThomasEgi> i fell your pain kanzure ... my two sisters both became teachers. 07:36 <@kanzure> are they good teachers? 07:37 < ThomasEgi> well... one left the country already^ the other one teaches music 07:45 < archels> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/93WR00929/pdf 07:45 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c8f9aebf96e384d7b1e273e8cf4bb35.txt 07:46 < archels> s.prop1="ACCESS DENIED" 07:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@204.101.190.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 <@kanzure> s.prop2="PUBLICATION_OUTSIDE_OF_LICENSE_PERIOD" 07:49 <@kanzure> what a poor way of saying access denied. 07:49 <@kanzure> also the s.propN numbers are not sorted corretly. 07:49 <@kanzure> *correctly 07:58 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- klafka [~klafka@204.101.190.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 <@kanzure> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:64977 08:01 <@kanzure> .title 08:01 < yoleaux> Adjustable Volume Straw Pipette by kwalus - Thingiverse 08:03 -!- klafka [~klafka@204.101.190.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10 -!- SolG is now known as _sol_ 08:17 <@ParahSailin> bio.ethics 08:19 <@kanzure> the usenet group? 08:32 -!- dunnp [~dunnp@c-67-188-155-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 <@kanzure> dunnp: welcome 08:32 < dunnp> hi kanzure 08:32 <@kanzure> dunnp: do you have a rom dump of the illumina machine you were poking at? 08:32 < dunnp> no 08:34 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35 <@ParahSailin> gaiix? 08:43 < dunnp> yep 08:44 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- dunnp [~dunnp@c-67-188-155-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 08:51 -!- augur [~augur@169.130.91.34] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- brownies is now known as brownies_ 09:03 -!- brownies_ is now known as brownies__ 09:03 -!- brownies__ is now known as brownies___ 09:03 -!- brownies___ is now known as brownies____ 09:04 -!- brownies____ is now known as brownies 09:18 -!- augur [~augur@169.130.91.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19 -!- strages_home [~strages@98.67.163.188] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:25 -!- augur [~augur@ip-64-134-66-47.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 09:56 <@ParahSailin> most poeple wouldnt risk messing up warranty on a gaiix they lease 09:58 <@kanzure> that's been the case on most of the equipment i've been trying to get my hands on 09:58 <@kanzure> people are terrified of giving me a ROM dump for basically every piece of equipment 10:00 <@ParahSailin> is there a somewhat universal procedure for dumping rom of a flash memory chip? 10:01 < ThomasEgi> ParahSailin, find the datasheet, read it, wire the chip up, dump it. 10:01 <@kanzure> also, sometimes it's not a flash memory chip and it might be easier ("connect to IDE, mount"). 10:01 <@ParahSailin> i have a friend working at illumina 10:01 <@ParahSailin> well, former coworker 10:02 <@ParahSailin> i doubt he'd be able to help though 10:02 <@kanzure> if someone has access to a chip then it might be cheaper to just mail it to someone to do the dump 10:03 -!- augur [~augur@ip-64-134-66-47.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:06 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0531513102002017 10:06 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20RoySherrington%20hypothesis%3A%20facts%20and%20surmises.txt 10:10 -!- augur [~augur@ip-64-134-66-47.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:13 <@ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiImageURL&_cid=272802&_user=1694017&_pii=S0531513102002017&_check=y&_origin=article&_zone=toolbar&_coverDate=2002--31&view=c&originContentFamily=serial&wchp=dGLbVlB-zSkzk&pid=1-s2.0-S0531513102002017-main.pdf&_valck=1&md5=23f518bfdc5bcb2b2b978a687a88155d&ie=/sdarticle.pdf 10:13 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/aa8efefd54a1701701b8a09f1528064a.txt 10:14 <@kanzure> pleh 10:14 <@kanzure> maybe i should give paperbot an article request queue. 10:14 <@kanzure> i would also like some way to categorize/file/organize the papers it downloads other than just dumping a pdf into a folder with a thousand other pdfs. 10:15 < chris_99> anyone seen these videos before of fish in space http://cosmo.ric.u-tokyo.ac.jp/SPACEMEDAKA/IML2video/e/vchap5E/vchap5_E.html ? i'm wondering if theres an air bubble in there tank 10:15 <@ParahSailin> kanzure: i kinda like being able to browse them 10:16 <@kanzure> how about the pdfs get organized into folders, but symlinks in a giant folder still 10:18 <@ParahSailin> organize them by what? 10:19 <@kanzure> dunno yet. i was thinking paperbot could be told to tag the previously-fetched paper with an extra command, like ".tag biology molecular-biology chromatography colon-chromotography ass-filtration ass-packing" 10:21 <@ParahSailin> make them tag beforehand 10:22 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196890402001693 (air conditioning, water, cold storage, storage) 10:22 <@kanzure> like that? 10:22 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Adsorption%20cold%20storage%20system%20with%20zeolitewater%20working%20pair%20used%20for%20locomotive%20air%20conditioning.pdf 10:24 <@ParahSailin> yeah, maybe even run the text of the paper through smmry.com 10:25 <@kanzure> uhh that sounds highly untrustable. can you show me a representative sample you like? 10:26 <@ParahSailin> and then check the tags they put against that digest, to make sure they are giving you yourself information before you give them the paper 10:26 <@kanzure> how can you add tags before you read the paper, though? 10:26 <@ParahSailin> or verify "work" some other simple way 10:27 <@ParahSailin> whenever i land on a paper, i know what i put into google scholar to get there and have a decent idea of the topic 10:27 <@kanzure> we should just rename this channel to ##existentialtaggingsupport 10:27 <@kanzure> that's usually true for me as well 10:29 <@ParahSailin> you don't need them to get all the tags "correct", but i'd expect them to get some of them right 10:29 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v9/n3/full/nphys2541.html 10:29 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v9/n3/pdf/nphys2541.pdf 10:30 -!- augur [~augur@ip-64-134-66-47.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31 <@ParahSailin> for nature, it gives you subject tags there, so paperbot might automatically grab tags for certain publishers 10:32 <@kanzure> zotero returns that data in a json blob to paperbot 10:32 <@kanzure> i just don't do anything with it 10:32 <@kanzure> and any time there's a "raw dump" it means that zotero has failed me and it's falling back on some custom python (which does not extract metadata like zotero does) 10:34 <@ParahSailin> you should add up and downvotes to it too, to gamify it with internet points 10:36 <@ParahSailin> even put comments in 10:36 <@ParahSailin> hell, just make reddit 10:36 <@kanzure> i think i know how to satisfy you-- just alt-tab back to reddit. 10:37 <@ParahSailin> well, i think if you want to make it like a collaborative library, you need to mine user brainpower somehow 10:37 <@kanzure> what is a "collaborative library" 10:38 <@ParahSailin> i dont have logging enabled, but i recall you saying something to that effect 10:39 <@ParahSailin> when i was talking about making paperbot a bitcoin hidden service 10:40 <@kanzure> 14:15 < Juul> kanzure, hah! maybe connect it to a tor hidden service where people can submit IP from big biotech 10:40 <@kanzure> 18:08 <@kanzure> afaik nobody is watermarking images with hidden messages at this point 10:40 <@kanzure> 18:02 < kanzure> not quite, we are missing lots of details hidden in academic journals 10:42 <@kanzure> bleh whatever 10:42 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:43 <@ParahSailin> if you want to make it more browseable by topic rather than a datadump, milk the users for the information 10:46 <@ParahSailin> its useful enough as it is as a datadump 10:47 <@ParahSailin> i think it would be hard to make paper search better than google scholar 10:47 <@kanzure> microsoft tried but their implementation sucks.. it doesn't even link to pdfs they've found. 10:47 <@ParahSailin> it might be fun to try though 10:48 <@ParahSailin> but theoretically possible to make it better than google scholar 10:49 -!- padz [~not@bas5-kingston08-3096457995.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:49 <@ParahSailin> because you are prepared to offer something google does not, climbing the paywall, and in exchange, you could get human curation service from them 10:54 <@kanzure> zotero gives much better metadata than a person ever will 10:54 <@ParahSailin> i can believe that 10:55 <@kanzure> google scholar has direct access to all publishers because of various agreements with the publishers 10:55 <@kanzure> it's based on ip address authentication 10:56 <@kanzure> this is why google's ip addresses are sometimes in the watermarks in the excerpt text (they aren't filtering out watermarks from their excerpts). 10:56 <@ParahSailin> yeah, what im saying is that you can offer free papers that otherwise your users would not be able to access, in exchange for metadata of unknown value 10:57 <@ParahSailin> or bitcoin 11:18 < ua_> kanzure: there was this idea of android app downloading all the papers from within university networks and uploading it all somewhere 11:19 <@kanzure> yes? 11:20 < ua_> i mean just an idea, is anyone doing something like that? 11:21 < ua_> they wont block access for universities neither ban 1000s of users 11:21 < ua_> also rooting phones/tablets and changing MACs on em 11:24 <@kanzure> they regularly do and will block access to universities 11:24 -!- _sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 11:25 <@kanzure> nobody has deployed a mobile paper-fetching proxy yet. 11:26 < ua_> it would be nice to just take it all from them 11:27 <@kanzure> suppose that a certain someone already has 11:27 <@kanzure> i'm just hypothesizing here 11:27 <@kanzure> if someone already has, where the hell would such a person put it 11:29 < ua_> freenet? torrents? design something in between... 11:29 <@kanzure> if torrents would work then why is nobody else seeding library genesis? 11:30 <@ParahSailin> tor hidden service might be most feasible way to do it 11:30 < ua_> something like torrent based freenet-like storage 11:30 <@kanzure> tor for what though? is someone going to be backing it up? 11:30 <@kanzure> who in particular? i've asked around. nobody has this much storage and nobody is willing to setup the capacity. 11:30 < ua_> i mean freenet architecture 11:30 <@ParahSailin> you host web server, and hide its location as a .onion 11:31 <@kanzure> i'm not particularly interested in the costs involved in that 11:31 <@kanzure> S3 gets really expensive per terabyte 11:31 < ua_> freenet has block that are there forever 11:31 <@kanzure> and hetzner is like >$300/mo for 40 TB 11:31 <@kanzure> i don't think freenet is going to be able to handle 50 TB of pdfs 11:31 <@ParahSailin> where's diyhpl.us hosted now? 11:31 <@ParahSailin> s3? 11:32 <@kanzure> a university. 11:32 < ua_> yea but something built on top of torrent could 11:32 <@kanzure> torrenting requires users willing to seed. so far i see no evidence of anyone willing to seed anything of large size. 11:32 <@kanzure> library genesis, man. it basically disproves the torrenting idea. 11:32 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, guess that's because the average joe's upstream is only 1/10th of the upload 11:33 <@ParahSailin> you could host the tor hidden server on that university box until it becomes unfeasible 11:33 <@ParahSailin> i dont see a reason to store terabytes though 11:33 <@kanzure> i don't think someone should store illicit activities on a server like that 11:33 <@kanzure> especially one that is provided graciously for open source projects 11:33 <@ParahSailin> ah ok 11:34 <@kanzure> anyway, i don't see what the point is. hosting it at a university is not a good solution because university people can confiscate boxen. 11:36 <@kanzure> there needs to be significant distributed storage capacity for full collections of illicit science 11:36 <@kanzure> in the range of 10-50 TB each 11:36 <@kanzure> and it would be dumb if this collection becomes incomplete just because one seeder stopped seeding some portion. 11:36 < ua_> lets build disyributed storage on top of torrent 11:37 <@kanzure> fuck you, buy hard drives 11:37 < ua_> no, RAID on torrents man 11:38 <@kanzure> "if you build it they will come" is wrong. it just doesn't happen like that. you really need to buy the storage you need for yourself. people with capacity wont magically appear. 11:45 <@kanzure> i'm off to an austin/biohacking meet. 11:57 -!- lumos is now known as ielo 11:58 -!- klafka [~klafka@209-195-84-22.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:06 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 <@ParahSailin> lol who care about reproducible pipetting-- what i need to know is how to pipette to get the results that are publishable or get grants 12:35 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- padz [~not@bas5-kingston08-3096457995.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:30 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:40 -!- ielo [~ielo@unaffiliated/lumos] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-174-62-210-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:57 -!- ua_ [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:58 -!- ua [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 -!- ua_ [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:00 -!- padz [~not@bas5-kingston08-3096457995.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: padz] 14:01 <@kanzure> "To give you a sense, he has 10,000 independent movies (examples here) of both wild type and mutant worms moving around that have been segmented and digitized. From this digitization, he has extracted hundreds of features about the movement of these worms, from a few minutes to several hours. He is happy to make these data available (raw and processed) as long as we cite him (not a problem in our community). " 14:02 <@kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/user/wormbehavior 14:02 <@kanzure> http://wormbehavior.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/index.php 14:02 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.pnas.org/content/110/2/791.short 14:02 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/A%20dictionary%20of%20behavioral%20motifs%20reveals%20clusters%20of%20genes%20affecting%20Caenorhabditis%20elegans%20locomotion.pdf 14:03 -!- ua [~ua@static.124.15.9.5.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:03 < nmz787> how was the biohack meetup? 14:03 <@kanzure> it was just me hanging out with john and one other guy. 14:05 -!- ua_ is now known as ua 14:11 < HEx1> people seeded the jstor torrent 14:11 <@kanzure> pfft after like two years 14:11 < HEx1> admittedly that was just a few dozen GB but the interest is there 14:12 <@kanzure> has there been any multi-terabyte torrent or collection of torrents that have had >50 seeders? 14:12 <@kanzure> *and continue to have >50 seeders 14:12 < HEx1> an academic warez repository badly needs doing. I'd help, although my pipe is thin currently 14:12 < HEx1> I'd not heard of library genesis. maybe nobody else had either? 14:12 <@kanzure> i find it hard to believe that nobody knows about library genesis 14:13 <@kanzure> hm. 14:13 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14 < HEx1> the issue with this is storage not bandwidth (unless you count bandwidth to ensure it's sufficiently replicated). most of the content will be read only rarely 14:16 < HEx1> so a bunch of people with thin pipes might even work 14:19 < HEx1> how large do you estimate a full collection would be? 14:20 < HEx1> "(19:36:09) kanzure: in the range of 10-50 TB each" <-- is this a significant proportion of the size or merely a small fraction? 14:20 < superkuh> I think more people would seed single, or a few, torrents of libgen (r_xxxxxx) if they could see easily how many seeders were on each. 14:21 < superkuh> Rather than suggesting people use a random number generator or whatever. 14:21 < nmz787> are there torrent clients written purely in client-side javascript? 14:21 < nmz787> i've thought about having a web site stored purely in torrent-sphere 14:22 < nmz787> where each user gets all the images and such from torrents it downloads on the fly 14:23 < HEx1> AFAIK few torrent clients are designed to allow you to try to keep a large collection of torrents alive by selectively seeding needy ones 14:24 < HEx1> nmz787: the problem with that is that browsers don't easily allow either receiving incoming connections or speaking arbitrary protocols to arbitrary hosts. even websockets doesn't help much here 14:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@209-195-84-22.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@209-195-84-22.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 <@kanzure> HEx1: there are some websockets things that let you connect to a torrent server that speaks websockets. 14:29 <@kanzure> HEx1: 50 TB would get you a majority of published science. 14:29 <@kanzure> i would estimate at least 90% of pdfs 14:30 <@kanzure> superkuh: doesn't the tracker do that? 14:30 < superkuh> Do you know where I can find that information then? 14:31 < superkuh> Without loading all thousand or whatever torrents? 14:31 <@kanzure> no i don't, i was hoping you would know. 14:32 <@kanzure> i don't remember the torrent protocol too well. it might be possible to receive information about the number of seeders by pretending to be a leecher. then this would be rolled up into a small website that i'd force others to look at when they want to choose which portions to seed. 14:33 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-174-62-210-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:34 < HEx1> this is all assuming you *have* a tracker. they're kinda deprecated in favour of the DHT nowadays, which makes finding such numbers harder 14:34 <@kanzure> part of the problem is that nobody wants to seed some random libgen torrent because they probably only want a few things from a few different torrents (and plus, they can't seed all of them because of their limited storage capacity). 14:34 <@kanzure> well, i forget whether or not libgen is announced on a specific tracker. 14:35 < HEx1> there is only one TPB hit for "library genesis" and none for "libgen". where should I be looking? 14:35 <@kanzure> thepiratebay.org doesn't have it. 14:36 < superkuh> d8:announce42:http://denis.stalker.h3q.com:6969/announce13:announce-listll42:http://denis.stalker.h3q.com:6969/announceel42:udp://tracker.thepiratebay.org:80/announceel34:http://tracker.prq.to/announce.phpel38:http://tracker.mightynova.com/announceel38:http://tracker.ilibr.org:6969/announceel45:http://open.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceel40:http://tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceel37:http://tracker.bittorrent.am/announceel33:http://ne 14:36 < superkuh> mesis.1337x.org/announceel37:http://bttrack.9you.com:8080/announceel35:udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80el29:udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80el23:udp://tracker.ccc.de:80el26:udp://tracker.istole.it:80el23:udp://tracker.ccc.de:80el29:udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80el26:udp://tracker.istole.it:80el35:udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 14:36 <@kanzure> oh good 14:44 <@kanzure> here's 800 of the torrents http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7191627/Library_Genesis_Repository_-_832K_eBooks_torrents__dB_and_source 14:44 <@kanzure> hah only 1 seeder on this index of torrents. 14:45 <@kanzure> although it also includes a database dump, so maybe that's why nobody is seeding it. 14:53 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59 <@kanzure> heh "hack-a-taq" 15:18 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 <@kanzure> department of homeland bioterrorism 15:36 < HEx1> so library genesis appears to be about 8TB 15:36 <@kanzure> sounds right 15:37 < HEx1> you have how much of this? 15:37 <@kanzure> approximately zero bytes 15:38 < HEx1> *somebody* seems to be seeing it 15:38 < HEx1> seeding 15:38 <@kanzure> yeah, the original dude. 15:38 < nmz787> 8tb is a lot, but it's not 50tb 15:39 <@kanzure> 50 TB was for a complete mirror of all science papers 15:39 <@kanzure> library genesis just does books 15:40 <@kanzure> library genesis has almost no individual papers. it has some 'collected volumes' but those are mostly random. 15:40 <@kanzure> sometimes wiley publishes some crap and it gets in there, i guess. 15:45 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-174-62-210-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 < HEx1> this is a remarkable resource 15:46 <@kanzure> which nobody is seeding. not even me (because where am i going to get this much anonymized storage space?). 15:50 < nmz787> does it need to be anonymous, or just hosted in a friendly country? 15:50 -!- Guest60840 [~quassel@192.210.211.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:51 <@kanzure> i am not particularly interested in paying for a seed server that can be traced to me 15:51 -!- underscor [~quassel@192.210.211.75] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 < HEx1> maybe seeding everything isn't required, providing there are enough partial seeders 15:52 -!- underscor is now known as Guest74246 15:52 < nmz787> why not though? 15:53 < nmz787> if i couldn't be legally challenged, i don't see any reason to be known to think it good to share scientific info freely 15:53 <@kanzure> it is easy to legally challenge international activity 15:53 <@kanzure> wtf? 15:55 < nmz787> :/ i dunno, me not a lawyer 15:56 <@kanzure> that's not an excuse for compromising your identity 15:58 < HEx1> this needs to be distributed, avoid single points of failure and all that 15:58 <@kanzure> it's easy to talk the talk.. 15:59 < HEx1> as for renting a server somewhere, it seems to me that it's a much better idea to seed stuff from boxes you have physical control over 16:00 < HEx1> do you have any suggestions for useful action? 16:00 <@kanzure> no. buy lots of hard drives. don't tell anyone. 16:01 < nmz787> well i'm not compromising because i'm not sharing 16:01 <@kanzure> uh, i mean, no i don't have good suggestions. 16:01 <@kanzure> if you're not sharing, then you're not seeding. 16:01 < nmz787> right 16:02 < nmz787> but you're sure there are no countries that don't give a shit and also have a fiber with a datacenter and power? 16:03 <@kanzure> you shouldn't rely on people not giving a shit. instead, just give them no relevant information whatsoever. 16:06 <@kanzure> i've been thinking about "public acts of anonymity". it's hard to do large-scale things anonymously, but not really impossible. for instance, could you assemble a pyramid with nobody knowing about it? 16:08 < Lemminkainen> depends on where the pyramid is kanzure 16:09 <@kanzure> well, perhaps not a pyramid :) 16:10 < Lemminkainen> hell, a flash-mob-made Sierpinski Pyramid in Moscone Center would be damn neat 16:10 < HEx1> depends on the size of the pyramid, surely 16:10 <@fenn> i've climbed a mystery pyramid near bloomington indiana (quarry town) 16:10 <@fenn> it's about 100ft tall limestone 16:15 <@fenn> should be easy enough to do with robots, then you just need to entomb the bodies of the programmers inside 16:16 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-foigbmhntaavjsxx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17 <@kanzure> ah i hadn't considered that part. it would have to be some clever way to make people bring up bricks with pulleys and then trick them into walking into a trap they fall through to the bottom. 16:18 <@kanzure> or you could just drug people? 16:18 <@kanzure> are there any drugs that cause memory formation to be prevented? 16:18 < superkuh> Scopolamine, some say. 16:19 < chris_99> many drugs do that 16:19 < chris_99> alcohol for instance ;) 16:19 <@kanzure> alcohol does not necessarily make memories not form. 16:20 < chris_99> if you have enough.. 16:20 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432812005372 16:20 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Inhibition%20of%20phoshodiesterase%20type%202%20or%20type%2010%20reverses%20object%20memory%20deficits%20induced%20by%20scopolamine%20or%20MK-801.pdf 16:22 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006899312010682 16:22 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Reversal%20of%20scopolamine-induced%20spatial%20and%20recognition%20memory%20deficits%20in%20mice%20by%20novel%20multifunctional%20dimers%20bis-cognitins.pdf 16:23 <@kanzure> "cognitin" 16:23 < nmz787> cannabis is said to do that also 16:23 <@kanzure> you guys are wacko. i've consumed large quantities of alcohol and remember everything pretty well. cannabis too.. 16:23 <@kanzure> perhaps i did not drink enough. 16:24 < nmz787> yeah thats what i was just typing 16:24 < nmz787> but blackout drunk is pretty common 16:24 <@fenn> so is alcohol poisoning 16:24 < nmz787> not sure poisoning matters if kanzure is trying to entomb people in pyramids 16:25 <@kanzure> it was about 5 drinks/hour for 4 hours at least 16:25 <@fenn> gotta catch em all 16:25 <@kanzure> what if i said it was an experiment? 16:25 < nmz787> i've only blacked out once when i was prob 14 or 15 16:25 < nmz787> learned that it sucked and never repeated it 16:26 < superkuh> The popular culture references to the uses of scopolamine to defraud foreigners in columbia suggest that those under the influence could still perform work. Unlike someone that is blackout drunk. Then they could be shuffled off without memory or entrapment (in this silly scenario). 16:26 <@kanzure> someone was knocking on my door, so i went to open my door and got hit in the face with hail. thunderstorms are really cool. 16:26 < nmz787> hah 16:27 <@kanzure> superkuh: yeah i don't think blackout drunk individuals will be very reliable for manual labor. and obviously the less silly solution is to not use people. 16:27 < nmz787> botnet of people 16:27 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tgmutnjrzyeifzeh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- klafka [~klafka@209-195-84-22.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-85-40.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 < chris_99> this looks neat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKdk2hp5uqA MHD power generation 16:53 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-85-40.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-85-40.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 < superkuh> Yeah. JP Aerospace's high altitude balloon program is pretty neat. As are their plans for kilometer scale balloon stratospheric outputs. But their MHD stuff and talk about airships-to-orbit is questionable. 16:54 < superkuh> Er, s/outputs/outposts/ 16:55 < chris_99> what in particular is questionable? 16:55 < chris_99> re. MHD 16:56 < superkuh> The energy source. 16:56 < chris_99> so that's a blackpowder motor apparently 16:56 < superkuh> As in, what would it be? The MHD research they are doing is with the intent of very long (3+ days) burns on a stratospheric km scale balloon to orbital speeds. 16:57 < superkuh> But the question that is never addressed is where they will get the energy from. 16:57 < chris_99> oh interesting, didn't know that was the goal of it 16:59 < superkuh> You can get more details in the interviews John Powell has down over at thespaceshow. http://www.thespaceshow.com/guest.asp?q=161 16:59 < chris_99> so what's the electricity generated for? 16:59 < chris_99> cheers 17:00 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 <@fenn> iirc it was supposed to be solar powered 17:02 <@fenn> i just can't believe they would get enough force to overcome drag 17:03 < chris_99> just looking on http://www.jpaerospace.com/combination_9.htm anyone know if their book is good? 17:03 < eudoxia> i didn't know JP aerospace was still doing stuff 17:03 < eudoxia> i mean judging by their website i just assumed they'd stopped in ~2004 17:04 < chris_99> http://jpaerospace.com/blog/ some new looking stuff on their blog 17:05 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07 <@fenn> i don't really get why you'd want to send a bunch of ping pong balls to 100,000ft 17:09 < superkuh> It is a different radiation environment at least. 17:11 <@fenn> welp they're going to have to do a better job presenting the information if they want to sell books 17:12 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:14 <@fenn> they fact that they're not doing MHD tests in a vacuum chamber says a lot 17:14 < chris_99> i'm confused what they're doing looking at http://www.hobbyspace.com/AAdmin/archive/SpecialTopics/orbitalAirship.html are they trying to have some kind of station in near space? 17:14 < chris_99> good point fenn 17:14 <@fenn> what is "near space" 17:15 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:15 < eudoxia> < GEO? 17:15 < chris_99> between 65,000 and 325,000 feet according to wiki 17:15 <@fenn> the X shaped balloon is just a stationary docking platform 17:15 < chris_99> ballons burst at around 100,000 iirc 17:16 < ParahSail1n> i didnt know ballons burst, just that they stopped going higher 17:16 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 < chris_99> they get massive then burst 17:16 < chris_99> because of the pressure diff. 17:16 < chris_99> afaik from looking at high alt. ballooning 17:17 < ParahSail1n> i thought pressure was equal inside the balloon 17:17 < chris_99> ? when you get towards a near vacuum you've got a lot more pressure inside 17:18 <@fenn> 14.7 psi more in fact 17:18 <@fenn> though high altitude balloons are not fixed volume 17:19 < chris_99> in what way? 17:19 <@fenn> they start out droopy 17:19 < ParahSail1n> yeah i thought they just reached an altitude at which they are neutrally buoyant 17:20 < chris_99> theres some cool videos of the balloons exploding 17:20 <@fenn> i think you're both right; regular balloons pop, high altitude balloons just stop rising 17:22 < ParahSail1n> hm, yeah, for some balloons, the point at which they can't expand any bigger would be lower than the neutral buoyancy altitude 17:23 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:24 < chris_99> have a look at this "Float altitude(top altitude), where low air pressure will cause the helium to expand so much that if the excess cannot escape through the balloon's vent tubes, it will burst. Helium inflation quantities are carefully calculated to avoid this." 17:24 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 < chris_99> so wouldn't you need vents to stop an explosion? 17:25 < chris_99> from http://www.redbullstratos.com/technology/high-altitude-balloon/ 17:28 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-174-62-210-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:29 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:31 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:52 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:02 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09 -!- jmil [~jmil@hive76/member/jmil] has quit [Quit: jmil] 18:10 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:12 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-85-40.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:21 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:30 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:31 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:39 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:41 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:55 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-20-170-134.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- DarkLinkXXXX [uid10912@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fmszrjunxwemlypf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:13 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: Arma 3] 19:13 -!- DarkLinkXXXX [uid10912@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fmszrjunxwemlypf] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 19:31 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-92-20-170-134.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- Juul [~Juul@50-0-83-116.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:50 <@kanzure> well this ranks as fairly evil http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/9368/mobile-carrier-javascript-injection 21:13 -!- heathjs [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:14 -!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-31.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:31 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-96-231-37-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:23 -!- strages_home [~strages@98.67.163.188] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:35 < nmz787> jrayhawk: fenn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbXj9R6ZXw 22:35 < nmz787> .title 22:35 < yoleaux> wood stove runs a generator, produces gasoline, runs a fridge and heats hot water at the same time - 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