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01:24 < kanzure> i am having trouble remembering all of the tiny nodejs packages.
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01:44 < kanzure> hm.. this looks thorough: https://github.com/hyperandroid/Automata
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02:36 < rigel> so apparently phantomjs had selenium support built-in
02:36 < rigel> but then not so much, and ghost.py was suggested
02:38 < rigel> part of my problem, i guess, is that i am using the webdriver'd ff instance both for automation and for probing
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03:07 < kanzure> rigel: phantomjs recently had a webdriver implemented, yes.
03:07 < kanzure> ghost.py isn't really similar, but yours truly has a few commits in that repo anyway.
03:08 < kanzure> lots of folks like casperjs, but i've never wanted it.
03:10 < kanzure> phantomjs has the webkit remote debugger enabled if you want to use that for development
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04:01 < nmz787_> makoLime: nope, I usually use irssi
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04:22 < makoLime> nmz787, oh, so the "Page closed" quit message is... irssi refering to tabs as pages?
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04:27 < superkuh> Lame. NASA's STI Reports are still censored by the Dept. of Homeland Security but their RSS feed still updates with titles and summaries. Such a tease. The service has been censored for going on a month now.
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04:32 < nmz787> makoLime: not sure what you're talking about
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07:58 < delinquentme> le weh
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11:45 < kanzure> brownies: since you like glowing crap so much, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antonyevans/glowing-plants-natural-lighting-with-no-electricit
11:46 < kanzure> who the hell pledged $10,000?
11:47 < kanzure> it's at $15666 and they are spamming my inbox with crap like "WE ALREADY REACHED 20% OF OUR GOAL"
11:47 < ParahSailin> ah geez
11:47 < kanzure> so.. i think they just pledged their own money in that.
11:47 < ParahSailin> definitely
11:48 < kanzure> i really don't like omri ("mr. genome compiler").. it's not a compiler, stop lying to me.
11:48 < ParahSailin> omri?
11:48 < kanzure> also, nobody likes adobe air/flash.
11:48 < kanzure> this is one of omri's projects
11:48 < ParahSailin> man theres so much absolute trash
11:49 < ParahSailin> and the sad thing is, there's not really much useful stuff that _can_ be done at the current level of technology
11:49 < kanzure> omri also raised something like $500k for his "genome compiler".
11:49 < kanzure> there's a lot of useful things that could be done.. the vast majority of lab equipment has no open source equivalent.
11:49 < ParahSailin> so no chance of weighing out the bad
11:53 < ParahSailin> what would it take to marshall the resources to do that
11:53 < kanzure> first thing is to figure out how to make the incentives align
11:54 < kanzure> there may or may not be a market for open source equipment. imagine that there's no market for it. even if there's no market, those devices are still worth having and using for our development activities. so the incentives are still tricky to figure out in that case.
11:54 < ParahSailin> i think pirated illumina would be a pretty killer app
11:54 < kanzure> the software?
11:54 < ParahSailin> no, the machine
11:55 < kanzure> well, biocurious is theoretically doing a teardown of an illumina today or tomorrow or w/e.. hopefully they document enough of it that we can ship it off to china.
11:55 < kanzure> i've asked them to also get a copy of any hard drives or ROMs on chips and shit, but they just looked at me confused. so it might not be a thorough teardown..
11:56 < ParahSailin> they really got a gaiix that they can completely tear down
11:56 < ParahSailin> i have such a hard time believing that
11:57 < ParahSailin> i might even bet money on that
12:05 < ParahSailin> the theory of illumina isnt that complicated, it might not even be that hard to reverse engineer
12:06 < ParahSailin> tricks are the flow cell surface preparation and the clustering wet chemistry
12:06 < ParahSailin> who knows, the patents might even cover how those work
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13:14 < kanzure> makerbot industries trying to patent obvious things http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,201914,201954
13:17 < ParahSailin> well, the legal definition of obvious is simple composition of things that are patented
13:18 < kanzure> guess i better start filing for patents on socially networked transcranial brain things.
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13:26 < kanzure> stupid glowplant is up to $20k :(
13:27 < kanzure> pft "We will be printing our DNA with Cambrian Genomics who have developed a revolutionary laser printing system that massively reduces the cost of DNA synthesis."
13:27 < kanzure> "Funds raised will also be used to support our work to develop an open policy framework for DIY Bio work involving recombinant DNA."
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13:27 < kanzure> fuck those assholes. "open policy framework.." how about no?
13:27 < kanzure> "The framework will include recommendations for what kinds of projects are safe for DIY Bio enthusiasts "
13:27 < kanzure> what the hell is this shit :(
13:28 < kanzure> "Genome Compiler is software, designed by Omri and his team, which allows a user to easily design genetic sequences and order them online.  The software includes a large database of genetic parts and a beautiful interface so you can easily combine them to create your desired results."
13:28 < kanzure> this is not a compiler. what a liar.
13:29 < ParahSailin> what printing dna?
13:29 < ParahSailin> laser printing dna?
13:32 < kanzure> fenn wrote some notes in the logs about what cambrian genomics is actually doing.. it's something like "let's use sequencing to reduce the cost of gene synthesis" or something.
13:33 < ParahSailin> i should just give up doing honest work and be a charlatan
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13:42 < ParahSailin> the upshot is that we won't have any more how-do-i-make-a-glowing-plant posts on diybio
13:43 < kanzure> no they are going to increase :(
13:45 < ParahSailin> kanzure: lets do a charlatan kickstarter to get money to divert towards a useful open hardware
13:45 < kanzure> well it seems that people only donate if they like the video and the rewards
13:45 < kanzure> and the rewards seem to have to be actual products, which i don't really want to do. that's low margins and a lot of work..
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13:49 < kanzure> ParahSailin: how about you just tell me what you want to do and i just pay for it
13:49 < kanzure> ParahSailin: isn't that easier?
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13:54 < ParahSailin> hm
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16:05 < makoLime> nmz787, you sometimes use an IRC client that has "page closed" as its quit message. I wonder what that is.
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16:13 < ThomasEgi> makoLime, a webchat client?
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16:16 < makoLime> ThomasEgi, I'd presume so.
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16:31 < SphericalMouse> Sup?
16:31 < kanzure> busy being annoyed at omri
16:31 < kanzure> trying to pick projects to dump money into
16:32 < SphericalMouse> ?
16:32 < kanzure> how goes the teardown?
16:32 < SphericalMouse> happens sunday
16:32 < kanzure> drats.
16:32 < SphericalMouse> filled up in under a day
16:33 < kanzure> photo everything. get the ROMs off the chips.
16:33 < SphericalMouse> have you done group teardowns before?
16:33 < kanzure> no. i've done teardowns before on my own, though.
16:34 < SphericalMouse> I'm just wondering how to best present it
16:35 < kanzure> get one of those mirror-based overhead projectors to show the smaller parts on a wall
16:35 < SphericalMouse> that would just cast a shadow
16:35 < SphericalMouse> maybe having a camera guy linked into a projector
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17:09 < kanzure> ParahSail1n: ask SphericalMouse about your teardown woes
17:11 < SphericalMouse> ?
17:11 < kanzure> SphericalMouse: give him a minute, geeze..
17:12 < SphericalMouse> just saying im here is all
17:12 < kanzure> okay
17:24 < ParahSail1n> hey
17:24 < ParahSail1n> you have access to a ga2x?
17:26 < SphericalMouse> depends, the ones at biocurious are just GAs
17:26 < SphericalMouse> might have some 2xs at work
17:33 < SphericalMouse> what do you need?
17:34 < ParahSail1n> you were reverse engineering one?
17:35 < SphericalMouse> no, we use them as test platforms
17:36 < ParahSail1n> what does your work do?
17:36 < SphericalMouse> though that would an amusing case of lost knowledge
17:37 < SphericalMouse> we make DNA sequencers
17:37 < ParahSail1n> illumina competitor?
17:38 < SphericalMouse> not quite
17:40 < kanzure> just think of the benefits for your employer: if you can prove that illumina's software is wrong, that would be a net gain.
17:40 < kanzure> hint: embedded stuff is usually wrong in a number of ways, unless it happens to be nasa..
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17:42 < SphericalMouse> does anyone use GAs any more anyways?
17:42 < ParahSail1n> i think that the embedded stuff is not likely to be a problem with the illumina systems
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17:42 < ParahSail1n> because all the embedded stuff has to do is transmit the images to the RTA software on the computer
17:42 < SphericalMouse> not even that
17:43 < kanzure> well, i'd also be willing to take a stab at the software on the computer.
17:43 < kanzure> which i do not have.
17:43 < ParahSail1n> kanzure, i can give you a password to download casava and olb if you want
17:43 < kanzure> sure. not right now. stuffing my face with food and acting like i can write javascript.
17:44 < ParahSail1n> casava's like 1.5 GB
17:44 < kanzure> what's in it?
17:45 < ParahSail1n> i forget if casava includes the rta software or if its just deindexing and miscellaneous stuff
17:45 < SphericalMouse> http://www.illumina.com/software/genome_analyzer_software.ilmn
17:45 < ParahSail1n> there's a shitty mapper included i think
17:46 < SphericalMouse> not sure if it is much use without test images though
17:46 < kanzure> most of the time vendors put extra software on, or they make mistakes in the product and release other software online
17:46 < ParahSail1n> i might have test images somewhere
17:47 < ParahSail1n> hm, looks like illumina doesnt require login anymore http://support.illumina.com/documents/MyIllumina/6e422abb-dc36-4d09-b223-0eafef26ddc5/CASAVA_v1.8.2.tar
17:47 < kanzure> i am also curious about their security.. do they have significant blocks against just dumping your own software onto the device, etc.
17:50 < SphericalMouse> you mean while connected to the computer?
17:51 < kanzure> that's also worth exploring i think
17:51 < kanzure> what is their connection anyway?
17:51 < kanzure> usb? has anyone sniffed it?
17:52 < SphericalMouse> think its usb, but maybe usb to serial
17:53 < SphericalMouse> the GA is elegant in its lack of pretense
17:54 < kanzure> ah yes... "elegant" http://med.fsu.edu/userImages/6-Illumina--HiSeq-2000.jpg
17:55 < SphericalMouse> thats a hiseq
17:55 < ParahSail1n> hm the server at work must not be the one that is hooked up to the ga2x's
17:55 < kanzure> actually i guess that doesn't look as bad as the bage boxes like the rest
17:55 < ParahSail1n> so they give you a proprietary computer to hook up to the sequencer?
17:56 < SphericalMouse> just a dell
17:56 < SphericalMouse> at least for the GA
17:57 < ParahSail1n> i guess the machine doesnt have to be that fast, because it does like one cycle every few hours
17:57 < nmz787> howdy
17:58 < nmz787> this might be useful for ROM dumping the illumina http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/materials/D1T1%20-%20Travis%20Goodspeed%20-%20Nifty%20Tricks%20and%20Sage%20Advice%20for%20Shellcode%20on%20Embedded%20Systems.pdf
17:58 < SphericalMouse> not really true, needs to process large data files.
17:58 < ParahSail1n> but it has plenty of time to do that
17:59 < SphericalMouse> the cycle time is the collection of those large files
17:59 < ParahSail1n> oh, really? the cycle time is compute bound?
17:59 < SphericalMouse> modern systems are faster too
18:00 < SphericalMouse> not really
18:00 < ParahSail1n> the cycle time is camera bound?
18:00 < SphericalMouse> roughly
18:00 < ParahSail1n> er, microscope
18:00 < ParahSail1n> ah
18:01 < SphericalMouse> these vary between models and configurations
18:03 < nmz787> SphericalMouse: have you seen the blu-ray drive sled stereolithography paper?
18:03 < SphericalMouse> no
18:03 < nmz787> they made <1micron features in SU-8 using unmodified blu-ray optics @ 2 mm distance
18:03 < ParahSail1n> wow
18:04 < nmz787> so the question i have is, can the drive spindle be moved about 1.5mm away from the lens in off-the-shelf drives (without removing the sled from the drive)
18:05 < nmz787> if so, you could simply wire up the spindle motor, sled translation motor, and laser
18:05 < nmz787> throw some polar coordinate software together
18:06 < SphericalMouse> was the system in the paper 1d?
18:06 < nmz787> they took the sled and put it on an XY stage
18:06 < nmz787> and Z! then tested Z depths
18:06 < nmz787> and found 2mm was best
18:07 < nmz787> i guess with that thickness SU-8 at least
18:07 < SphericalMouse> might have more to do with the focal plane of the laser than the su8
18:08 < SphericalMouse> how fast? was it?
18:10 < SphericalMouse> I didn't work with these guys, but I sat near them https://str.llnl.gov/Mar12/spadaccini.html
18:10 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/High%20resolution%2C%20low%20cost%20laser%20lithography%20using%20a%20Blu-ray%20optical%20head%20assembly.pdf
18:10 < nmz787> did you know lars ullrich?
18:11 < nmz787> wait
18:11 < nmz787> no
18:11 < nmz787> ulrich schaff
18:11 < SphericalMouse> no
18:11 < nmz787> who the hell is lars?
18:11 < nmz787> hah
18:11 < nmz787> drummer of metallica
18:11 < nmz787> lol
18:14 < nmz787> how about Greg Sommer?
18:14 < nmz787> he's a microfluidics guy
18:16 < SphericalMouse> no, looks like he was at sandia, not livermore
18:17 < nmz787> ahh
18:17 < SphericalMouse> got to go eat dinner, maybe back later
18:17 < nmz787> see ya
18:17 < ParahSail1n> illumina's profit margin is 70%
18:18 < SphericalMouse> thats a bit misleading.
18:18 < ParahSail1n> seems it wouldnt be that hard to rip off their systems
18:18 < SphericalMouse> ~lols~
18:19 < ParahSail1n> i wonder why BGI hasn't
18:20 < SphericalMouse> because chemistry is hard, and so is precision engineering. Why else buy complete genomics
18:21 < ParahSail1n> i dont think it's _that_ hard
18:22 < SphericalMouse> its not hard to do it poorly. bit why doesn't everyone use ion torrent systems?
18:23 < ParahSail1n> ion torrent is more expensive per data
18:24 < SphericalMouse> but cheaper machines and faster runtimes
18:25 < ParahSail1n> normally people dont need data faster when its so expensive
18:26 < SphericalMouse> i'm not sure how the cheapest per data iontorrent runs stack up against the miseq costwise
18:26 < ParahSail1n> seems like there's no reason to use miseq
18:27 < SphericalMouse> better data quality I guess
18:28 < ParahSail1n> its about the same or worse than hiseq
18:28 < SphericalMouse> you dont always need tons of data
18:28 < ParahSail1n> going to 150 cycles doesnt really get you anything useful
18:28 < SphericalMouse> 2x150
18:28 < ParahSail1n> if you dont need tons of data, you can outsource it to someone who will run a fraction of a lnae
18:29 < SphericalMouse> the hiseq is mostly 2x100
18:29 < SphericalMouse> yeah, I keep asking why not move to an all factory model.
18:30 < SphericalMouse> not sure what the average turnaround time is in a genome factory
18:30 < SphericalMouse> a few weeks maybe?
18:30 < kanzure> for synthesis? up to a couple months.
18:30 < SphericalMouse> sequencing
18:30 < ParahSail1n> turnaround time is a few days longer than the machine's run time at ucdavis
18:30 < ParahSail1n> and its <3k per lane
18:32 < SphericalMouse> I wa spart of a project that tried to use davis a year ago, and it seemed like it was hard to get approval to get in at the time
18:33 < SphericalMouse> maybe it was 2 years at this point. probably out of date, I guess
18:35 < ParahSail1n> i guess there might be situations where faster data off ion torrent or proton one could be worth it
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18:45 < SphericalMouse> workflow is important
18:45 < SphericalMouse> i've heard complaints about the ~28 hour miseq runtime since you cant do a run a day
18:46 < SphericalMouse> nmz787, what do you want to do with a direct write system?
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18:53 < delinquentme> hey does anyone in here know how information is encoded along the magnetic strip of a master card?
18:54 < delinquentme> specifically how much of the magnetics strip do I need to destroy so that any information is sufficiently difficult to retrieve?
19:01 < ParahSail1n> intention is to destroy?
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19:03 < delinquentme> ParahSail1n, correct
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19:04 < delinquentme> so for example ... if the information is encoded across the entire strip ... if I cut it in half theres not much chance to reconstruct half the information
19:04 < ParahSail1n> scrape it off?
19:13 < delinquentme> not bad@
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19:36 < delinquentme> Juul, whats going on man!!
19:36 < delinquentme> questionmarks.
19:37 < Juul> :)
19:37 < Juul> i'm chillin' at sudo
19:37 < delinquentme> I'm sitting here sucking on coffee drawing venn diagrams
19:37 < Juul> drawing venn diagrams with coffee mug stains?
19:37 < rigel> see, THIS is what i'm fucking talking about
19:37 < delinquentme> wondering if theres a quicker way than the normal step-wise education process to get thing into my brain
19:37 < delinquentme> HA!
19:37 < rigel> i implemented this class in python using selenium webdriver
19:37 < delinquentme> not bad!
19:38 < rigel> and now i can just swap out for https://github.com/detro/ghostdriver
19:38 < rigel> i knew there was a reason i made myself do it that way
19:39 < rigel> also dongs
19:39 < rigel> lul
19:40 < Juul> what's the reason for the standard -80 C freezers?
19:40 < Juul> who concluded that -80 was the right temperature?
19:41 < rigel> now all i need is to integrate https://github.com/murilobr/amf.js into my toolchain somehow
19:44 < delinquentme> Juul, maybe engineering ?
19:46 < Juul> delinquentme, possibly
19:47 < Juul> i'm looking into building a small low-cost -80 freezer for diybio
19:47 < Juul> i'm not going to blindly design for -80 though
19:48 < rigel> dry ice?
19:48 < rigel> yeah, dry ice
19:48 < delinquentme> oh wow
19:49 < rigel> just like food freezers are targeted at 28-30f
19:49 < delinquentme> how do commercial ones get that low?
19:49 < rigel> in a pinch, you can load it up with dry ice to keep a -80c freezer cool
19:49 < delinquentme> I'd assume the PSU and the heat exchanger are the expensive parts
19:49 < delinquentme> rigel, I dont think Juul is trying to fix a one off
19:49 < delinquentme> I think hes after building something that can be replicated
19:49 < rigel> i was making comments about design
19:50 < Juul> rigel, you're saying they designed them based on the approximate temperature of dry ice
19:50 < Juul> could be
19:50 < rigel> and why -80c was likely chosen
19:50 < delinquentme> ohhh
19:50 < Juul> it's about 78 if i remember
19:50 < rigel> yeah -78c
19:50 < rigel> so, a couple degrees cooler than that
19:50 < rigel> dry ice is easily available
19:50 < Juul> I'll have to see if there is some research on different temperatures
19:51 < Juul> no reason to spend more money on a -80 capable pump if -40 is fine
19:51 < rigel> how will you stabilize -40 if something breaks down
19:51 < rigel> i think that's part of the issue
19:52 < rigel> design for failure
19:52 < rigel> at -40 what are your options, -80, which is a substantial temperature difference, or 0, which is a substantial temperature difference
19:53 < Juul> do you think there will be damage to cells by varying between -40 and -80?
19:53 < Juul> i guess that's likely
19:53 < rigel> for storage you want stable temperature
19:53 < Juul> ok, good point
19:54 < rigel> if you have to store things at -40, get a failure, and then dump a bunch of dry ice on them in the interim
19:54 < rigel> then you either let them thaw back to -40 or you keep them at -80
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19:57 < Juul> thanks for the logic
19:57 < Juul> i'm gonna bike home and cook some dinner
19:57 < Juul> later
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20:12 < ParahSail1n> i think you can get -80s pretty cheap on auction
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21:01 < delinquentme> best options for getting a static address to forward to a dynamically assigned IP?
21:29 < klafka> hey delinquentme how are you liking it out here
21:29 < klafka> or are you in eugene now
21:29 < klafka> all up in oregon
21:31 < delinquentme> klafka, hahah nah dude im here right now in the mission kicking ass
21:31 < delinquentme> loving the shit out of lIFEEE
21:31 < delinquentme> also got a bike!
21:31 < klafka> ah awesome
21:31 < klafka> yeah you need one there :P
21:32 < klafka> i got done with a psychedelic conference this weekend
21:32 < klafka> hey kanzure do you remember a ferrouswheel ?
21:34 < kanzure> yes i remember ferrouswheel
21:34 < kanzure> joel pitt
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21:36 < kanzure> rigel: what do you need amf for?
21:36 < kanzure> flash serialization?
21:37 < klafka> i met his partner at the maps conference
21:37 < klafka> it was really weird how it happened
21:41 < abetusk> any recommendations for things to check out in Boston while I'm there?
21:42 < kanzure> bosslab
21:43 < kanzure> avery louie
21:43 < kanzure> alec resnick.. he's probably at sprouts.
21:43 < kanzure> this guy http://edboyden.org/
21:43 < klafka> yeah omg
21:43 < klafka> can you just like go up to his lab and be like 'hay guys sup'
21:43 < kanzure> probably
21:44 < kanzure> there's a lot of fablab people at mit so there's probably at least one or two different events going on
21:45 < kanzure> i think jason bobe (diybio) still lives in boston? who knows. george church's group would be fun to visit.
21:47 < klafka> what are they doing these days
21:48 < kanzure> george church is busy finding the next 200 companies to play co-founder at
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21:49 < abetusk> I feel weird about just dropping in without anything specifically to talk about
21:49 < kanzure> usually the protocol is to send an email in advance
21:49 < abetusk> yeah, I should have planned better
21:49 < kanzure> ask about any presentations, or if someone could give you a tour if they're into that, etc.
21:49 < kanzure> turns out people love blabbing about their projects.
21:50 < kanzure> also if you have particular lab expertise that you think they would benefit from, you should offer to do a presentation or whatever.
21:50 < kanzure> although usually it is very obvious if they want that.
21:51 < kanzure> this one time, paul rothemund was in town
21:51 < kanzure> and i swear at least two grad students were assigned to tracking him down and getting him to show up to do presentations
21:54 < klafka> oh kanzure that's a great idea
21:54 < abetusk> ok, thanks kanzure.  I'll try and send some emails out when I'm there and see if they can squeeze me in before I leave
22:40 < juri_> kanzure: if you're looking for some reverse engineering.. we should talk more. as a 'found engineer', i build most of the things I own out of whatever others throw away. that involves a lot of reverse engineering. i've also helped random strangers build thousands of PCs over the last few years (again, out of what others throw away). do you have something small you'd like dox'd, and re-engineered?
23:03 < kanzure> juri_: how about the rest of http://github.com/openyou/emokit 's protocol
23:04 < juri_> um, why would i bother?
23:04 < juri_> (one second, getting a URL)
23:04 < kanzure> huh? you just asked for interesting things to reverse engineer?
23:04 < kanzure> my answer seems reasonable.
23:05 < juri_> http://mirage335.dyndns.org/wiki/BiosignalAmplifier
23:05 < juri_> I;ve been working with the developer of that. ---^
23:05 < kanzure> what about it?
23:05 < kanzure> ok.
23:05 < juri_> so, why would i work on reverse engineering the proprietary one, when there's an open attempt to do the same task?
23:06 < kanzure> the reason that emokit is interesting is because there's a consumer headset that people are buying.
23:06 < juri_> want one of mirage's kits? that can be aranged.
23:06 < kanzure> because why would i use that kit when i can just use openeeg? fuck.
23:08 < kanzure> there might be a reasonable answer to that question
23:08 < juri_> However, as of 2012-03-14, the already well published Common-Mode Shield Driver and AC Coupling Feedback seem not to have been implemented.
23:09 < juri_> so, mirage's kit is less noisy. i've been meaning to work on his cabling (esata instead of sata), but haven't found the time.
23:09 < kanzure> i'm not sure if modulareeg is part of openeeg, if that's what you mean
23:09 < kanzure> oh wait modulareeg is
23:09 < juri_> yes, it is.
23:09 < kanzure> yes yes i corrected myself yeesh
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23:10 < juri_> no fair. i've been working so hard to get one over on you.. ;P
23:10 < kanzure> shouldn't be that hard.
23:10 < juri_> 'kanzure, you are the WRONG one! WRONG-o-WRONG-o-WRONG!' i've even got a dance made up.
23:11 < kanzure> alright
23:11 < juri_> still, in this case, i think my effort is better spent improving the open alternatives.
23:11 < kanzure> the open alternatives to modulareeg?
23:11 < juri_> no, either modulareeg or mirage's toy.
23:12 < juri_> either way, the one you want reverse engineered.. is there a reason to use it over a modularEEG/biosignalamp?
23:12 < kanzure> no, it's terrible and i hate it
23:12 < kanzure> but that was partly why i started reversing the protocol
23:12 < kanzure> in general, this hatred extends to all eeg. i'm not sure if an eeg project being open source is enough to get me excited these days. :( they just end up fairly disappointing..
23:13  * juri_ nods.
23:13 < kanzure> "64 channels, but we can only train 3 actions. have fun, dinkwad."
23:13 < juri_> agreed. my input to mirage's work has been just some advice, and some 3d printer work/parts.
23:14 < juri_> so, again, i can't directly bio-hack.. but if you need something fixed, printed, or a printer fixed, i'm here. ;)
23:15 < juri_> also, i'd need one of the items in question in my hands, to do a deep reverse engineer.. unless its protocol level stuff, like you pointed to. i just think that we should let the users of the closed gear suffer with the gear.
23:16 < kanzure> i may or may not have some anonymously contributed header files that i've been working from
23:16 < juri_> fun. :)
23:17 < kanzure> i don't have the device anymore either.
23:17 < juri_> oh wow, i pointed you at the wrong link.
23:18 < juri_> http://mirage335.dyndns.org/wiki/Mirage335BiosignalAmp
23:34 < juri_> so, you don't have one.. so whom would we be helping by reversing the protocol then? a company's customerbase, which does not include either of us?
23:45 < rigel> kanzure: ustream uses it to obfuscate their direct video URLs
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