--- Log opened Sun Apr 28 00:00:10 2013 00:02 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:08 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:13 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:45 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@c-67-188-115-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:50 <@kanzure> http://medsforbitcoin.com/ has modafinil and armodafinil 01:50 <@kanzure> ParahSail1n: wanna do a black market antibody service 01:55 <@kanzure> also.. with apologies for linking to io9, http://io9.com/5899339/the-science-behind-counterfeit-cancer-drugs 01:55 <@kanzure> "This week, U.S. officials intercepted 120 vials of fake Avastin, created by devious individuals looking to make a quick buck. It's easy to see why the crooks targeted this drug: A single year of therapy with a monoclonal antibody, like Avastin, can cost upwards of $100,000 a year in many cases." 01:55 <@kanzure> "The high cost of monoclonal antibody therapies makes vials a bizarre target for counterfeiting. Turkish counterfeiters replicated the packaging for bevacizumab (marketed by Roche as Avastin), a monoclonal used in cancer therapy, and sold the vials to hospitals." 01:55 <@kanzure> "February 2012 reports of the counterfeit monoclonal therapies centered around vials found in the U.S., while a second batch of fake vials Avastin landed in North America via the United Kingdom in April 2012. The thieves made a large amount of money in the process, while depriving patients of care, as the bottles inside the packaging likely contained saline instead of lifesaving antibodies." 01:55 <@kanzure> wait.. what? that's not counterfeiting. 01:55 <@kanzure> i'm really disappointed by the turks now. 01:57 <@kanzure> also i meant to add a question mark after service. 02:01 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- hehehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02 <@kanzure> pfft the biotech industry is arguing that because isolated dna isn't wrapped around histones that it's a novel molecule. 02:02 -!- hehehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:19 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 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http://wiki.gekgasifier.com/w/page/6123754/How%20to%20Build%20and%20Run%20the%20GEK%20Gasifier 07:22 < ParahSail1n> they also sell units 07:29 -!- eudoxia_ [ba34830d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.52.131.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:41 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@209.237.22.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:48 < ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v28/n9/full/nbt0910-883a.html 07:48 < paperbot> HTTP 401 unauthorized http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v28/n9/pdf/nbt0910-883a.pdf 07:54 < ParahSail1n> "Enbrel is marketed as a lyophylized powder in 25 mg vials which must be reconstituted with a diluent and then injected subcutaneously, typically by the patient at home." 07:54 < ParahSail1n> i wonder if avastin could be administered this way 08:10 -!- ielo [~ielo@134.219.227.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:33 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-175-54-32.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:35 -!- randallagordon 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[~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:02 -!- Mokbort [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:05 -!- Mokstar [~Moktart@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:09 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- schoolfieldn__ [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14 <@kanzure> ParahSail1n: so that's a yes? 12:15 < ParahSail1n> which? 12:17 <@kanzure> selling some antibodies 12:17 < ParahSail1n> i think that would be pretty cool 12:17 <@kanzure> i don't have a priority list but i think it would be pretty easy to make one up 12:18 -!- Mokstar [~Moktart@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:18 < Mokstar> ThomasEgi, there you are! 12:18 < ParahSail1n> i have a couple co2 incubators in my friend's garage 12:18 < ThomasEgi> Mokstar, and.. who may you be? 12:18 < Mokstar> the guy who went on an on about tDCS in ##biohack about six months ago, then disappeared 12:18 < ParahSail1n> im trying to figure out whether to do cell culture to make native antibodies or express Fab in e coli 12:19 < ParahSail1n> its weird how the Fab E coli version is more expensive 12:19 < Mokstar> I used to pester you with ignorant questions about electronics 12:20 < Mokstar> anyway, I'm back with more ignorant questions about electronics 12:20 < Mokstar> I came up with what I think is a neat design for a tactile feedback device, and I wanted to get your thoughts on it, and if you had any alternative ideas 12:21 <@kanzure> how about ultrasound :( 12:21 <@kanzure> also why are you doing tactile feedback? 12:21 < Mokstar> kanzure, you first! :p 12:21 < Mokstar> northpaw, plus some other ideas 12:21 <@kanzure> uh, how about "blocks of meat" first, instead of a person? 12:21 < Mokstar> ultrasonic distance sense 12:21 <@kanzure> you must not like me much 12:21 < Mokstar> oh alright 12:21 < Mokstar> as long as I can turn it into pemmican afterwards 12:22 < Mokstar> I have some ultrasonic elements, also a set of 1mhz and a 3mhz therapy-grade units 12:23 < Mokstar> ThomasEgi, anyway, here's my idea: an earbud voice coil wrapped around a cylinder of hard plastic containing a spherical magnet 12:24 < Mokstar> or maybe a cylinder magnet, so it'd be... locked into an axis of travel? 12:24 < Mokstar> not sure what the correct way to put that is 12:24 < Mokstar> way less power than a pager motor, but very sense-able 12:36 < ThomasEgi> so you want to build a vibrating unit, with a magnet + coil 12:36 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@pool-108-28-74-221.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36 < Mokstar> pretty much 12:37 < Mokstar> instead of the voice coil moving a diaphragm, I want the magnet to move 12:37 < Mokstar> sort of like a tiny solenoid 12:37 < Mokstar> all it has to do is smack against the inside of the cylinder though 12:37 < ThomasEgi> you do realize that a pager motor is just coils moving magnets,too right? 12:37 < Mokstar> right, but I can't drive one right from my arduino's digital pin 12:38 < Mokstar> it's less efficient for the purpose 12:38 < ThomasEgi> you can add a simple transistor to do that 12:38 < Mokstar> right, but when I've got 10 of them, the part count goes up a bit 12:38 < ThomasEgi> transistor and a freewheeling diode 12:39 < Mokstar> and also lower current = lower usage = smaller battery required 12:39 < Mokstar> wouldn't the transistor use up a bit of juice as well? 12:40 < ThomasEgi> neglectable 12:40 < Mokstar> fair enough, but the difference between the motor and micro-solenoid is enough to justify it 12:40 < ThomasEgi> compared to the current you send through your coil. it is in the 0.something percent range 12:41 < Mokstar> plus complexity 12:41 < Mokstar> do you know offhand what awg wire they use in these things? 12:42 < Mokstar> it's about as fine as a relatively fine human hair 12:42 < ThomasEgi> awg as american wire gauge? 12:42 < Mokstar> yes 12:42 < Mokstar> that's how I buy wire, anyway 12:42 < Mokstar> I suppose ify ou know the metric unit I can convert 12:42 < ThomasEgi> well the diameter pretty much depends on what current you want to send through 12:43 < ThomasEgi> which determines the resistance (given the working voltage). and that determines the lenght and diameter 12:43 < Mokstar> I can get 44awg, or 0.05080mm 12:44 < ThomasEgi> you have to know what current and voltage you want to apply. and the length of your wire 12:44 < ThomasEgi> with that, you can calculate the neccessary diameter 12:44 < Mokstar> I guess if I wanted to get really fancy I'd figure out that value based on the force with which I'd like to move the ... what woul dyou call it? 12:44 < Mokstar> core 12:45 < Mokstar> which would be based also on its weight and magnetic strength 12:45 < ThomasEgi> you can calculate field strengthes and magnetic flux 12:45 < Mokstar> but that sounds like too much work 12:45 < ThomasEgi> and forces etc. but those usualy are very math heavy 12:45 < Mokstar> so I'm just going to get ear bud voice coils and cheap cylinder magnets 12:45 < Mokstar> or maybe just get some iron bar and magnetize it 12:45 < Mokstar> and put it in an aluminum tube... hmmm 12:46 < Mokstar> or maybe I could put a smaller disc magnet inside the tube held loosely in place 12:46 < Mokstar> perpendicular to the coil 12:47 < Mokstar> so it'd rattle when you pulse the coil 12:48 < Mokstar> it'd be easier to figure out the width of the wire they use in them and buy some of that, then wind it on the cylinder 12:48 < Mokstar> tube 12:48 < Mokstar> or heck, I wouldn't need to use a cylinder at that point 12:50 < ThomasEgi> why not simply use two coils? 12:50 < ThomasEgi> probably less weight, so less mass to accelerate 12:51 < Mokstar> hmm 12:51 < Mokstar> in what physical configuration? 12:51 < ThomasEgi> just wind them in different directions. 12:51 < ThomasEgi> or. same direction and reverse current direction for one 12:51 < Mokstar> would that cause movement? 12:51 < ThomasEgi> they'd repell each other. 12:51 < Mokstar> ahh 12:51 < ThomasEgi> so if you make it possible for them to move slighty, sure 12:52 < Mokstar> so maybe secure one of them to an Al plate 12:52 < Mokstar> which would be loose 12:52 < Mokstar> and another plate benhind it 12:52 < ThomasEgi> don't you want to implant that? 12:52 < Mokstar> no 12:52 < Mokstar> this is for sensebridge 12:52 < ThomasEgi> why bother with energy demand then? 12:54 < Mokstar> because I'd be wearing this thing 12:54 < Mokstar> and would prefer to keep the battery as small as possible 12:54 < Mokstar> but that makes sense for internal usage too 12:54 < ThomasEgi> a pager motor doesnt eat that much 12:54 < Mokstar> 90ma 12:55 < ThomasEgi> it's not running all the time i guess? 12:55 < Mokstar> yes, all the time 12:55 < Mokstar> at elast one 12:55 < Mokstar> the northmost one 12:56 < Mokstar> I want to run this with an arduino pro mini 12:57 < ThomasEgi> how bout getting smaler pager motors instead? 12:58 < Mokstar> harder to source 12:59 < Mokstar> magnet wire is pretty easy 12:59 < Mokstar> cheaper, too 12:59 < ThomasEgi> an onlineshop in germany is selling pager motors that have a max current rating of 40mA 12:59 < Mokstar> url? 12:59 < ThomasEgi> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MzY1OTg2OTk-/Motoren/Gleichstrommotoren/Vibrationsmotor.html 13:00 <@fenn> Mokstar: have you considered piezo speaker diaphrams 13:00 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-48.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 < Mokstar> I have, I got a tiny one but I couldn't drive it strongly enough to feel it 13:01 < Mokstar> a larger one might work, but I haven't gotten around to prying one out of something 13:01 <@kanzure> https://btcnootropics.com/ 13:01 <@fenn> shouldnt the prices be in btc? 13:06 <@fenn> Mokstar: the tactile sense receptors in your skin each have a certain frequency window they respond to, so it's not entirely about the power 13:06 <@fenn> from first principles it would seem that higher frequencies are more efficient because there is less displacement 13:07 <@fenn> also keep in mind that the AVR chips have an overall power rating of something like 30mA, so you can't drive all the pins at once 13:07 < Mokstar> They are the most sensitive of the four main types of mechanoreceptors to vibrations at low frequencies, around 5 to 15 Hz. 13:08 < Mokstar> right, I won't need to 13:08 < Mokstar> just one 13:08 < Mokstar> at a time, at least for the northpaw application 13:08 < Mokstar> I had the thought of using it as a general purpose transmission method 13:08 < ThomasEgi> Mokstar, piezo speakers need rather high voltages to move noticably 13:09 < ThomasEgi> depending on how they are build, you may need to mount them in a special way. or you won't notice anythang 13:09 < Mokstar> fenn, are you familiar at all with the work of Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita? 13:09 <@fenn> i've heard the name but i'm no neuroscience student 13:09 < Mokstar> the northpaw is based on his research 13:10 < Mokstar> he's passed on, sadly, but his projects live on 13:10 < Mokstar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNkw28fz9u0 13:10 < Mokstar> Brainport Vision Device helps a blind man "see" 13:10 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=cc1bca97 Bryan Bishop: article about los angeles biohackers 13:11 <@kanzure> yes yes, we all know about brainport 13:11 <@fenn> ah, 200mA max output power per chip, not 30 13:11 < ThomasEgi> for driving loads i recommend a designated chip. like the uln 2003 13:12 <@fenn> what he said 13:12 < ThomasEgi> if you are running a low voltage system. a mosfet based sollution might be better 13:12 < ThomasEgi> as the darlington causes quite a voltage drop already 13:18 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 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http://www.tempohousing.com/products/housing-solutions/professor.html 14:15 < delinquentme> shit shower shave the gym 14:15 < ThomasEgi> oh i see 14:16 < ThomasEgi> so you basically just want like.. a container office then. 14:16 < ThomasEgi> the above link might give you good inspiration tho. 14:16 < ThomasEgi> you can get used containers on ebay 14:16 < ThomasEgi> if you add some insulation, floor etc yourself 14:17 < ThomasEgi> you may be able to find office containers,too 14:17 < Mokstar> I want to find some 36" HDPE sewer conduit 14:17 < superkuh> That'd be bigger than my current apartment 14:18 < Mokstar> vertical float tank 14:18 < Mokstar> bbl 14:19 < delinquentme> No they're totally a fucking awesome idea. 14:19 < delinquentme> and you can KEEEP them 14:21 < ThomasEgi> the tempohousing? 14:24 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 < delinquentme> ThomasEgi, wow. this is awesome. 14:24 < delinquentme> tempohousing 14:27 < delinquentme> KANZ what work on 14:28 < delinquentme> did i tell you about the awesome conflict of interest @ jebi? 14:28 < delinquentme> JBEI? 14:28 <@kanzure> work on paperbot.. it needs some loving. 14:28 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 14:28 <@kanzure> refactoring the download_url() method would be cool. it should be classes of plugins instead of that cruft. and it should use unit tests. 14:28 <@kanzure> that would be very helpful. 14:28 <@kanzure> alternatively.. pdfparanoia things. 14:28 <@kanzure> no you didn't mention any conflict of interest at jbei. 14:39 < delinquentme> so I go in ready to program on this: 14:39 < delinquentme> https://github.com/JBEI/prpr 14:40 < delinquentme> hot-swappable code on tecan freedoms right? 14:40 < delinquentme> Note: got an estimate on the total utilitzation of their tecan @ jbei < 50% 14:41 < delinquentme> and so im ready to work on it ... get handed off to some dude ... and hes like " Actually I'm gonna have you work on a translation table for this euro startup who works with microfluidics " 14:41 * delinquentme facepalm 14:41 < delinquentme> so! 14:41 < delinquentme> I've not talked to nathan about fixing THAT little issue yet but its on the plate 14:41 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 <@kanzure> i have no idea what you're talking about 14:49 < delinquentme> hot swappable code on tecan freedom evos right? 14:49 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49 < delinquentme> so transcriptic is working with these guys ... but they've got their own set of ways to change the functionality of the robot instantly 14:49 < delinquentme> drag / drop code ( once the function has been programmed ) 14:50 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:52 <@kanzure> transcriptic is working with jbei? 14:52 <@kanzure> why would i want to drag and drop code? wtf 14:53 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Client Quit] 14:54 <@kanzure> so what is it.. is it just an api, or do they implement the protocol too? https://github.com/JBEI/prpr/blob/master/prpr_tecan.py 14:54 <@kanzure> looks like a custom recipe format https://github.com/JBEI/prpr/blob/master/prpr_sample.par 14:55 <@kanzure> not sure why they would use dashes in python file names.. that never works for importing. https://github.com/JBEI/prpr/blob/master/tests/prpr-test.py 14:55 < delinquentme> no transcriptic isnt working w jbei 14:55 < delinquentme> kanzure, you want to hot-swap machine functionality 14:55 < delinquentme> the downtime is the reprogramming 14:55 <@kanzure> and i'm unconvinced that this is a sufficient grammar for recipe representation https://github.com/JBEI/prpr/blob/master/developer/prpr_bnf.txt 14:56 < delinquentme> again conflicts of interest 14:56 < delinquentme> a team of two 14:56 <@kanzure> what conflict of interest? 14:56 < delinquentme> one girl is a UI designer with no science background 14:56 < delinquentme> and the dude with any science wants to work on microfluidics 14:57 < delinquentme> im tempted to ask nathan about it ... however im almost sure he doesnt give a shit either 14:57 <@kanzure> conflict of interest is when you can't sign a document because it would violate another agreement you have with another entity 14:57 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:57 <@kanzure> for example, an attorney can't run both sides of litigation because that's a conflict of interest 14:57 < delinquentme> sure sure semantics 14:57 < delinquentme> I mean " bad incentive structure " 14:57 < delinquentme> IE they're not motivated to do the shit they're supposed to be doing 14:59 <@kanzure> "This software was developed under funding from the U.S. Department of Energy. As such, the U.S. Government has been granted for itself and others acting on its behalf a paid-up, nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide license in the Software to reproduce, prepare derivative works, and perform publicly and display publicly. Beginning five (5) years after the date permission to assert copyright is obtained from the U.S. Department of Energy, and ... 14:59 <@kanzure> ... subject to any subsequent five (5) year renewals, the U.S. Government is granted for itself and others acting on its behalf a paid-up, nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide license in the Software to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies to the public, perform publicly and display publicly, and to permit others to do so. 14:59 <@kanzure> uh this is not open source. 15:01 <@kanzure> or maybe it is.. https://github.com/JBEI/prpr/blob/master/license.txt not sure which license this is closest to. 15:03 < delinquentme> prpr is open source 15:03 < delinquentme> however theres a j5 lib which isnt 15:03 < delinquentme> which does some cool things 15:04 <@kanzure> how do you know it's open source? i don't think that's an OSI-approved license.. 15:16 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-48.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21 -!- Mokbort [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:24 -!- Mokstar [~Moktart@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxhtzoghubzyzsqs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:39 -!- abumirqaan [uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlurkodlpirhdmmf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:45 < abetusk> Just got back. I was actually attending the GET conference, that's why I was in Boston. I managed to get a quick tour of Bosslab while I was there. They showed me their light thermocycler machine 15:46 <@kanzure> ah, then i should have told you to find patrik. 15:46 <@kanzure> he either works at or used to work at jbei 15:46 < abetusk> I met a Patrik who tagged along for the Bosslab tour 15:47 <@kanzure> ah, then the system works 15:49 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:59 -!- plur [~nonentity@198.48.2.1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:07 -!- marciogm [~textual@unaffiliated/marciogm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17 -!- plur [~nonentity@198.48.2.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:19 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:36 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.12.103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:20 -!- ielo [~ielo@cpc9-addl4-2-0-cust229.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:21 -!- Mooookstar [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 -!- Mokbort [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:25 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@64.13.15.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49 -!- _sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49 <@kanzure> http://biocurious.org/projects/ 17:50 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-167-46.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00 -!- Suwap [~devillll@ppp-46-244-167-46.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:14 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: video games] 18:21 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27 -!- FooQuuxman is now known as Discussion 18:28 -!- Discussion is now known as FooQuuxman 18:30 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@adsl-64-169-36-85.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:42 -!- Mooookstar [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43 -!- Mooookstar [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:45 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:49 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@64.13.15.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 <@kanzure> 12.75 characters/min EEG typing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxr9yhOG-c0 19:01 <@kanzure> lame :( 19:02 <@kanzure> i guess that's 1-2 words/minute if you use small words 19:02 <@kanzure> s/small/short/ 19:06 -!- Mokbort [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:10 -!- Mooookstar [~Moktart@c-98-246-107-5.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:21 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:46 -!- klafka [~klafka@67.174.253.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:59 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:06 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:43 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:45 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53 < juri_> that's a lot of bandwidth, compared with 0. 21:14 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.12.103] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:36 <@kanzure> juri_: is ocropus usable? 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