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The journals Nature and Science both specify that Microsoft Word is their preferred format for submissions" 13:05 < kanzure> more scigit/banyan/sharelatex things https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5632760 13:09 < kanzure> it looks like they modified gitlab to add latex/pdf rendering.. i think they should just say that instead of claiming "github of science". 13:10 < kanzure> https://github.com/manuels/texlive.js "This is a port of TeX live 2012 to Javascript. It is based on my port of the pdftex TeX compiler to Javascript using emscripten. It creates PDF files from LaTeX code and supports (some) packages." 13:13 < archels> aren't journals the 'GitHub of science'? 13:19 < EnLilaSko> Wouldn't GitHub mean that anyone could publish? 13:20 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24 < kanzure> archels: no, journals don't have git integration 13:25 < kanzure> EnLilaSko: why would that matter? 13:25 < EnLilaSko> I meant that github is open for everyone to upload (in contrast to journals where things are selected) 13:26 < EnLilaSko> I think it is atleast 13:26 < kanzure> who cares though? 13:26 < kanzure> i don't see your point.. 13:26 < kanzure> are you angry that anyone can use git? 13:27 < EnLilaSko> archels wrote that journals were the github of science, I just said that github allows everyone to upload and that journals do not 13:27 < EnLilaSko> Nope, lol, not at all 13:27 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-48.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:27 < kanzure> i think these analogies are very broken 13:28 < chris_99> does anyone use wordpress per chance, i can't seem to work out how to change the max. upload size 13:28 < kanzure> max upload size is configured in php.ini 13:28 < kanzure> also try #wordpress 13:29 < chris_99> hmm i don't seem to have a php.ini ta will do 13:29 < kanzure> if you are running php then you most likely have a php.ini file 13:29 < archels> GitHub is essentially an exchange for software code. Journals are an exchange for ideas. I can fork someone's idea like software, by building upon it and referencing the original publication. 13:30 < chris_99> i'm just using lighttpd with php, it looks like you can tell the php interpretter to load a php.ini file though so i'll do that 13:30 < archels> (as has been pointed out, the details of the analogy don't quite fit) 13:30 < kanzure> this analogy is stupid 13:31 < archels> yes 13:33 -!- Pupuser [~puppy@ool-4352e919.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 -!- Pupuser [~puppy@ool-4352e919.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15 -!- Mariu [Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:31 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-48.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:46 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-175-56-52.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:48 -!- randallagordon [~randall@71-222-88-161.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22 < brownies> you're using lighttpd with php? why, are you pretending it's 1999? 15:24 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@64-13-15-38.eug.clearwire-dns.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25 < chris_99> what's wrong with lighttpd 15:26 < brownies> all the cool kids use nginx now 15:26 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26 < chris_99> from the comparisons i've read theres not much diff. in performance though 15:27 < chris_99> so i can't be bothered switching heh 15:27 < kanzure> exploiting a bug in google glass http://www.saurik.com/id/16 15:30 < brownies> this is interesting http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2013/04/science-exchange-series-a-financing/ 15:36 < kanzure> "As we look ahead to the rest of 2013, we’re excited to announce that Science Exchange has closed a Series A financing round, raising an additional $3 million in venture capital to further expand and grow our marketplace." 15:37 < kanzure> http://www.usv.com/2013/04/science-exchange.php 15:37 < kanzure> .title 15:37 < yoleaux> Science Exchange - Union Square Ventures: A New York Venture Capital Fund Focused on Early Stage & Startup Investing 15:48 < kanzure> saurik: it might sound pedantic, but maybe including a timeline (as a list) in your article would help clear things up. 15:50 < saurik> kanzure: I can see that. I really wanted the focus of the article to be on technical things, however, rather than just a direct rebuttle of complaints 15:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:55 < kanzure> "Secondly, they should provide some way for the user to feel confident in a given situation that the device could not possibly be recording: a really great suggestion that a friend of mine had is that the camera could have a little sliding plastic shield. (This also addresses the privacy concerns many have about a future where large numbers of people have Glass: this makes it clear "I'm not recording right now".)" 15:56 -!- marciogm [~textual@unaffiliated/marciogm] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:56 < kanzure> hah "As long as engineers, advocates, and officers from Google make statements like these without carefully looking into the facts first, it will not be possible to have any kind of reasonable and informed discussion about this system. The doors that Google is attempting to open with Glass are simply too large, and the effects too wide-reaching, for these kinds of off-the-cuff statements to be allowed to dominate the discussion." 15:57 < kanzure> "However, a more subtle issue is that, in a way, it also hacks into every device you interact with. It knows all your passwords, for example, as it can watch you type them. It even manages to monitor your usage of otherwise safe, old-fashioned technology: it watches you enter door codes, it takes pictures of your keys, and it records what you write using a pen and paper. Nothing is safe once your Glass has been hacked." 16:01 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@adsl-64-169-36-85.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:37 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:03 -!- test-case [449017c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.23.198] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23 -!- wizrobe [~userdi@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:45 -!- FooQuuxman [~arik@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@adsl-64-169-36-85.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:27 < kanzure> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1102169 20:27 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Keyboard%20acoustic%20emanations%20revisited.pdf 20:27 < kanzure> neat. 20:28 < kanzure> "We present a novel attack taking as input a 10-minute sound recording of a user typing English text using a keyboard, and then recovering up to 96% of typed characters. There is no need for a labeled training recording. Moreover the recognizer bootstrapped this way can even recognize random text such as passwords." 20:30 < brownies> well that is somewhat terrifying. 20:32 < kanzure> i wonder if it is possible to type in such a way as to elude said software 20:33 < kanzure> also i wonder if typing quickly enough prevents that from working 20:33 < ParahSail1n> kbset dvorak 20:33 < kanzure> heh 20:37 < kanzure> dvorak wouldn't give any protection to that sorta attack 20:38 < kanzure> plover might, since pressing multiple keys simultaneously might not produce the same sort of noise 20:38 < kanzure> unless they are recording from multiple locations 20:39 < ParahSail1n> was this attack based on rhythm? 20:39 < ParahSail1n> or stereo spatial triangulating 20:40 < brownies> it sounds like your best bet would be to have terrible, terrible spelling 20:41 < kanzure> you think rhythm could work?? 20:41 < kanzure> i was expecting something like "uniquely identifying each key with a different signature based off of either hand positioning or how the keyboard is constructed" 20:42 < kanzure> e.g. striking a key from a slightly different direction produces a different sound 20:42 < brownies> i'm guessing there's a tangible difference in the delta T between each keystroke based on the distance the finger has to travel? 20:42 < ParahSail1n> rhythm could provide some information 20:42 * brownies goes off to just read the fucking paper 20:42 < ParahSail1n> might be difficult based on rhythm alone 20:42 < kanzure> well, finger travel distance isn't reliable because assholes like seanwrona just move their wrists instead of fingers 20:44 < brownies> "One can first cluster (using unsupervised methods) keystrokes into a number of classes based on their 20:44 < brownies> sound. Given sufficient (unlabeled) training samples, a most-likely 20:44 < brownies> fuck. sorry. 20:44 < brownies> mapping between these classes and actual typed characters can be 20:44 < brownies> established using the language constraints" 20:44 < kanzure> huh? but they claimed random passwords 20:45 < brownies> i do think this is a very very impressive attack 20:45 < brownies> kanzure: they need 10 minutes of you typing English first 20:45 < brownies> once it is trained in this fashion, it can recognize random passwords. 20:46 < kanzure> but they claimed "There is no need for a labeled training recording." 20:47 < brownies> zomg 20:47 < brownies> just go read the damn thing 20:47 < kanzure> so which is it :( 20:48 < brownies> the recording does not have to be labeled, but it does have to be English words 21:12 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:21 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:32 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:32 -!- hehehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:34 -!- randalla1ordon [~randall@75-164-199-233.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:37 -!- randallagordon [~randall@71-222-88-161.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:00 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01 -!- zdap [~not@bas5-kingston08-1176195898.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- pad2 [~not@bas5-kingston08-3096457995.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:11 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:25 -!- ryankarason [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:26 < ryankarason> anyone here know anything about building a machine for dna-squencing for dna barcoding? 22:29 < kanzure> dna barcoding is just another way of saying sequencing. 22:29 < kanzure> but yes. 22:34 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:35 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: I am going to play video games.] 23:02 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:11 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:22 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:28 -!- AdrienG [~dextro@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:56 -!- test-case [449017c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.23.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Log closed Wed May 01 00:00:13 2013