--- Log opened Sun May 12 00:00:24 2013 00:04 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-128.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:26 -!- test-case [449017c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.23.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:05 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:12 < klafka> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antonyevans/glowing-plants-natural-lighting-with-no-electricit thoughts? 01:24 < gene_hacker> I doubt it will be very bright 01:28 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29 < archels> personally, I think the project is way cool, also to give diybio some well-deserved positive rep. But to claim that it can be used as actually lighting, to read a book by or so, is ridiculous. 01:30 < klafka> yes agreed on both counts 01:30 < klafka> i was wondering if people here knew the people involved 01:38 < fenn> antony evans was a founder of senstore with rachel kalmar, a quantified self startup. http://singularityhub.com/2012/01/12/senstore-wants-to-make-a-tricorder-that-monitors-the-entire-body/ 01:40 < fenn> i never met him though. curious how senstore seems to have disappeared from the internet. i guess that's what these singularity university types do, move on to the next flashy thing 01:43 < fenn> they used to hold periodic meetups called "sensored" where people would show off prototypes and talk about electronics and stuff 01:49 -!- wizrobe [~userdi@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the 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neweather_ is now known as neweather 09:54 < neweather> hello? 10:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-128-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 < kanzure> neweather: yes? 10:15 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-128.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20 < neweather> kanzure: sorry, noob trying to get my head round this 10:21 < kanzure> around what? 10:21 < neweather> hmm irc 10:21 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[detached] 10:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-128-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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resources as usual https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378111901005844 13:57 < cathalgarvey> @paperbot https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378111901005844 13:57 < kanzure> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378111901005844 13:57 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378111901005844 13:57 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Cooperative%20effects%20by%20the%20initiation%20codon%20and%20its%20flanking%20regions%20on%20translation%20initiation.pdf 13:57 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Cooperative%20effects%20by%20the%20initiation%20codon%20and%20its%20flanking%20regions%20on%20translation%20initiation.pdf 13:57 < kanzure> excellent 13:58 < cathalgarvey> Every time I come here I make a fool of myself haranguing paperbot. I'm sorry paperbot. 13:58 < kanzure> sup? 13:58 < cathalgarvey> TY @Kanzure 13:58 < kanzure> also i found that "YOU MUST HAVE A PHD" email thread pretty bizarre 13:58 < cathalgarvey> Haha, last minute workload before holidays is all! :) 13:58 < cathalgarvey> Wanna get a gene ordered ASAP and want to get the nitty-gritty of translation initiation looking good on paper first.. 13:58 < cathalgarvey> Haven't read that thread yet? 13:59 < kanzure> ah, well, whatever it's just boring stuff 13:59 < cathalgarvey> Have been meaning to but there are so many posts and I am already so very old 14:00 < cathalgarvey> How about yoruself? What's news over yonder hill 14:01 < kanzure> today i am goofing off on a rom hacking marathon 14:01 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal-demo/wiki/Announcement 14:02 < kanzure> http://sanqui.sweb.cz/screen/2013051221%3A53%3A49diyhpl.us-~yenatch-pokecrystal-extras-tilemonster--Chromium-c7e8.png 14:03 < cathalgarvey> Awesome! :) 14:05 < cathalgarvey> ROM hacking at that depth must involve some assembly, no? 14:05 < cathalgarvey> Didn't know you went that deep into SW hacking 14:05 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: here's a presentation, 14:05 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/pokered/crystal/aha-pokemon-crystal.pdf 14:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 14:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: also these are fun, 14:06 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/tree/master/extras/vba.py 14:06 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/blob/master/extras/gbz80disasm.py 14:06 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/blob/master/extras/crystal.py 14:07 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 14:07 < kanzure> it has full test coverage: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/blob/master/extras/tests.py 14:07 < kanzure> and 100,000+ lines of hand-crafted asm https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/blob/master/main.asm 14:08 * heath thinks fenn is looking for a job 14:09 < heath> nobody uses linkedin unless they are looking, right? 14:09 -!- OldCoder_ [~OldCoder_@adsl-64-169-36-85.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 < klafka> lol 14:10 < klafka> i use it as an ego boost 14:10 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:10 < klafka> when people ask me if i want a job 14:10 < cathalgarvey> Some people use it as a way to have a wang-off about how many people they "employ". But for the most part, yea. Job=hunting. 14:10 < kanzure> oh man, linkedin is a lousy way to get employment 14:11 < klafka> is it? 14:11 < kanzure> yeah, you get harassed by recruiters constantly 14:11 < cathalgarvey> :P 14:11 < klafka> oh 14:12 < cathalgarvey> In Ireland that would be considered a magical place. 14:12 < cathalgarvey> People chase rainbows here for jobs. 14:12 < klafka> like i said - i like the ego boost 14:12 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780123851208000036 14:12 < klafka> no one started doing that kanzure till i changed my job description to 'data scientist' 14:12 < kanzure> fenn: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5637663 14:12 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Chapter%20threeDesigning%20Genes%20for%20Successful%20Protein%20Expression.txt 14:12 < klafka> turns out people don't give a fuck about support engineers 14:12 < cathalgarvey> Thank you paperbot 14:12 < kanzure> klafka: you literally put data scientist? you mad man. 14:12 < kanzure> brownies: ^ check that shit out 14:12 < klafka> why? 14:12 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: nope no access on that last one 14:12 < kanzure> klafka: because nobody calls themselves a "data scientist".. that's just poor marketing. 14:13 < klafka> umm lots of people do 14:13 -!- heath is now known as data_scientist 14:13 < cathalgarvey> Ah well, it's just more noise about Gene Designer, which I'm not going to be using anyway.. :) 14:13 < klafka> holy crap i haven't logged into my 'professional gmail' in months 14:14 < cathalgarvey> @kanzure In case you haven't noticed, there are oceans of stupid people with too much money desperate to get in on this "big data" they keep hearing about in TED talks. 14:14 -!- data_scientist is now known as data_astronaut 14:14 < cathalgarvey> Anything with "data" in the title gets them salivating like Pavlov's dogs. 14:14 * data_astronaut explores datar 14:14 < klafka> kanzure: maybe is should call myself 'machine learning guru ' 14:14 < kanzure> klafka: i think "machine learning" is very well defined at this point; it means you top out at SVM or something. 14:15 < kanzure> or that you might at least have an ability to write and understand kernels 14:15 < klafka> what really? 14:15 < klafka> you top out ? 14:15 < klafka> i'd think it means you top out at the bleeding edge of ML research or some shit 14:15 < kanzure> what? i mean, i haven't seen anyone hiring a "machine learning" person that knows things beyond svm and mcmc or something 14:15 < cathalgarvey> Machine learning has a role in Kernels? Show me this proto-skynet, I would flash it onto my phone. 14:15 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: wrong type of kernel 14:15 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: unfortunately 14:15 < klafka> cathalgarvey: yeah 14:16 < klafka> kernel spaces 14:16 < kanzure> klafka: btw evidence to the contrary would be appreciated/neat 14:16 < klafka> is what they are referring to 14:16 < klafka> kanzure: what do people that know machine learning call themselves then? 14:16 < klafka> like beyond mcmc and svm 14:16 < klafka> it's funny because svm and mcmc have nothing to do with each other 14:16 < klafka> :P 14:16 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-61779-564-0_15 14:16 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f7907f865e118a6fffc8b5f1076e2f2f.txt 14:16 * data_astronaut doesn't understand 14:16 < kanzure> klafka: oh sure there's definitely little relation, but i would expect a machine learning person to know both. 14:16 * data_astronaut starts hiring people based on if they know what corn kernels are 14:16 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: sorry, no access on that one 14:16 < klafka> cathalgarvey: they refer to 'kernel machines' SVM is a good example of a kernel machine 14:16 < cathalgarvey> Stupid gene designer papers. Little signal, all paywall 14:17 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: did you see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5687832 ? 14:17 * data_astronaut welcomes people to alabama's "silicon valley" with corn kernels for now on 14:17 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17 < data_astronaut> gotta stay on the cutting edge 14:17 -!- data_astronaut is now known as heath 14:18 < cathalgarvey> How's SLF going these days? :) 14:18 < kanzure> i have acquired 20+ TB 14:19 < kanzure> working out logistics 14:19 < cathalgarvey> TB? 14:19 < kanzure> terabytes 14:19 < cathalgarvey> As in, of data or capacity?? 14:19 < kanzure> capacity; i have been running out of room for a while now and only have 20%. 14:20 < cathalgarvey> You realise that if you try to personally DL 20 TB of paywalled data, you'll get arrested, right? 14:20 < cathalgarvey> That's been pretty comprehensively proven already 14:20 < kanzure> i think you're wrong 14:20 -!- marciogm [~textual@177.106.22.106] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:21 < kanzure> but also, there's a lot of public domain and CC-BY-SA stuff that needs to be catalogged and copied too 14:21 < kanzure> NTRS stuff was "public domain" but we fucking don't have it anymore 14:21 < cathalgarvey> I think you can't argue with clear precedent; downloading too much science, even with a legitimate reason (as Aaron had), gets you arrested. 14:21 < kanzure> oh, aaronsw made a bunch of mistakes 14:21 < cathalgarvey> Even "public domain" stuff on JSTOR isn't "public domain" because it has their stupid letterhead on it, and they claim derivative work. And in the US, that works. 14:22 < cathalgarvey> You're making a mistake right now; Freenode have server logs and you *founded* Science Liberation Front. The Aaron prosecutors were using his blog post advocating open science as evidence. 14:22 < kanzure> whether or not it's legal is an interesting question, but i'm still interested in having an organization or entity with that complete collection. 14:22 < cathalgarvey> You're openly tied to an "organisation" that clearly advocates and encourages people to break the law in the US; that alone is enough to put you in prison, AFAIK. 14:23 < cathalgarvey> By all means, I'm all for freedom of science. But you're using *your real name* to do it, I'm boggled 14:23 < kanzure> hey, i know you think i'm doing something wrong, but i haven't even told you important details that would give you enough information 14:23 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23 < kanzure> i'm not using my real name to do anything 'cept paperbot maybe 14:23 < cathalgarvey> I don't think you're doing something "wrong". Civil disobedience is great when a law is injust. I think you're doing something very, very foolish. 14:23 < kanzure> if you thing paperbot is morally wrong, then please elaborate. 14:23 < kanzure> or legally wrong, even 14:24 < kanzure> sorry, i definitely meant legally wrong 14:24 < cathalgarvey> And if there are mitigating details, for the love of god don't tell me! :) 14:24 < cathalgarvey> You've already said too much in public channels! 14:24 < cathalgarvey> Legally? 14:24 < kanzure> oh my god i have storage space~~~~ 14:24 < cathalgarvey> A) Advocating and encouraging copyright infringement. You might even count hosting a group as "abetting", and given how silly US copyright law is, it'd probably stick. 14:25 < kanzure> actually, i've had takedown requests that i've replied to and had amicable resolutions 14:25 < cathalgarvey> B) Hosting a (much appreciated) robot on a huge clearnet server (Freenode) that explicitly serves the function of evading paywalls, which the CFAA has been beefed up to make into a serious crime. 14:25 < kanzure> i think you are reading too much into what paperbot does 14:25 < kanzure> it's just a shortcut for me reading papers 14:25 < cathalgarvey> Glad to hear it, but if they wanted to push for a non-amicable solution, they'd win 14:26 * kanzure yawns 14:26 < cathalgarvey> You can say that all you like, but you're hosting a gateway to direct copyright infringement. That's even more concrete a breach of Copyright law than a torrent index, and index hosts have been put in prison. 14:27 < kanzure> woo http://sanqui.sweb.cz/screen/2013051223%3A26%3A45bgb-PM_CRYSTALBYTE-085e.png 14:27 < kanzure> Sanky: i am abusing your links 14:27 < cathalgarvey> The guys who founded TPB never once broke copyright and the US arranged for prison sentences for them. Exhausted ridiculous political capital to do so, too. 14:28 < kanzure> cathalgarvey: by that logic everyone in the world is hosting a gateway to direct copyright infringement 14:28 < cathalgarvey> @kanzure Copyright is innately illogical, yes. But there are clear examples of legal precedent that show what you're doing can get you arrested and convicted of a felony in your country. 14:29 < cathalgarvey> That's all I'm saying; not "wrong" but "foolish". 14:29 < kanzure> i don't think reading papers is that big of a deal; this is what they are here for. 14:29 < cathalgarvey> If you want to help civil disobedience, host a zero-knowledge webserver for science, hope it's not abused for porn, and hope instead that it hosts articles. 14:30 < cathalgarvey> I think anything that costs a powerful lobbying corporation in the US money is a big deal to them, and traditionally results in a crackdown. 14:30 < cathalgarvey> Elsevier have *all the lobby money* and a vested interest in their paywall; it's all they have. 14:30 < kanzure> i think suing a mendelsevier user would look extremely poor 14:30 < cathalgarvey> If they see someone pulling an Aaron, they'll respond vigorously. At *best*, you'll be forced to delete your stuff and take down your server. More likely, you're looking at a felony. 14:31 < kanzure> "pulling an Aaaron" sigh, just because we both read papers doesn't mean that we're doing anything really similar. 14:31 < cathalgarvey> That's why they don't sue individuals who pirate; they're not actually that stupid. But take this to the 20TB level, and it's another ballgame. 14:33 < kanzure> btw, in the US, storing content is not a felony (except state secrets, i think, but i'm not completely sure) 14:34 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:37 < cathalgarvey> For personal use, no. 14:37 < cathalgarvey> So if you use your accounts to make local copies and never share them, that's fine (though check for a "fair usage policy" that might get your account frozen). 14:38 < cathalgarvey> But you should really read the CFAA and the recent amendments they are trying to / have already added: it would make it a felony to set up a gmail account under a false name, so weigh that against what's implied by "Science Liberation Front". 14:38 < cathalgarvey> I'm only offering my concerns here, but I do think you're treading a fine line now, and walking into fire if you push with some of your implied goals. 14:39 < kanzure> i think you are a fearmonger 14:39 < kanzure> i assume you also disprove of me talking with the FBI? 14:39 < cathalgarvey> Nope, because you're american. 14:40 < cathalgarvey> And I didn't disapprove of "talking with the FBI", I disapproved of the FBI asserting a sort of responsibility over Europeans. 14:40 < klafka> to be fair kanzure you are a pseudo public figure under this pseudonym 14:40 < klafka> everyone knows who you are 14:40 < klafka> :p 14:40 < klafka> ro most people 14:40 < klafka> also your whois has your name 14:40 < kanzure> oh also pokecrystal; all sorts of "copyright law" "evil remixing" going on there. gotta hate that too. 14:40 < kanzure> klafka: yep, my whois also has my address and phone number. nobody calls me :( it's so sad. 14:41 < cathalgarvey> Dude, you keep misunderstanding me as "hating" copyright infringement. I don't, I think copyright is a farce. 14:41 < cathalgarvey> But disliking copyright doesn't make it not-exist. It's one of the most unreasonably inflated legal structures in existence. 14:41 < cathalgarvey> You can end up with more severe penalties for downloading an mp3 than for beating someone senseless. 14:42 < cathalgarvey> On that basis, I was suggesting that encouraging or directly aiding in the mass-infringement of literature owned by a prototypical, exceptionally-well-funded copyright troll might not be wise. 14:42 < cathalgarvey> s/owned/"owned"/ 14:42 < klafka> kanzure: what do you use for 3d printing stuff? 14:43 < kanzure> klafka: my friends 14:43 -!- DonnchaC_ is now known as DonnchaC 14:43 < kanzure> klafka: i use them for things. 14:43 < kanzure> klafka: i don't actually have a 3d printer of my own. 14:43 < klafka> i mean software wise 14:43 < klafka> i was considering getting one 14:44 < klafka> a cubex one 14:44 < kanzure> oh, software things. depends on the device itself, they usually have "official" software. reprap's firmware is ok. 14:44 < klafka> oh really 14:44 < klafka> but don't they all take standardized formats? 14:44 < kanzure> people like to use slic3r, openscad, brlcad, etc. 14:44 < cathalgarvey> @klafka If you're talking about modelling and are not a solids purist, I recommend OpenSCAD. Oldie, but goldie. 14:45 < klafka> i see 14:45 < klafka> i need to think more about generative art in 3d printing a bit 14:46 < kanzure> i would recommend brlcad or something else other than openscad for generative art 14:46 < kanzure> openscad has this shitty custom language 14:46 < kanzure> and if you want stl, brlcad is fine with that. 14:47 < kanzure> *fine for that 14:47 < klafka> cool 14:52 < superkuh> I recently removed all the books from my mirror for the reasons cathalgarvey suggests. Now I just host journal articles. For those I am willing to take the risk. 14:52 < superkuh> I have a feeling a full copy of my technical books mirror might show up somewhere though. Completely unrelated to me, of course. 14:53 < kanzure> cathal is just angry about lawsuits, paperbot is not going to cause the apocalypse. 14:53 < cathalgarvey> Eh, I'm not angry 14:54 < cathalgarvey> I've no reason to be angry, especially as Paperbot's done me a favour today. :) 14:59 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-88-48.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-113-88-48.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:04 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:16 < klafka> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1592/phco.23.12.1238.32704/abstract 15:16 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/55b302baaca6ff29c5f68aebb5ccdaa.txt 15:17 < klafka> can someone get me that rpretty please 15:20 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:25 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:57 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002228360800795X?np=y 15:58 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ribosome%20Collisions%20and%20Translation%20Efficiency%3A%20Optimization%20by%20Codon%20Usage%20and%20mRNA%20Destabilization.pdf 16:08 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: https://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5924/255.long 16:08 < paperbot> SSLError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:504: error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 632, in send) 16:08 < cathalgarvey> ruh roh 16:08 < cathalgarvey> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/324/5924/255.long 16:08 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Coding-Sequence%20Determinants%20of%20Gene%20Expression%20in%20Escherichia%20coli.pdf 16:09 < cathalgarvey> Thank goodness. I've tried opening a "free access" account with ScienceMag so many f-ing times 16:09 < kanzure> unknown protocol :rolleyes: 16:09 < kanzure> weird. 16:09 < kanzure> python-requests supports HTTPS just fine... i thought? 16:12 < cathalgarvey> Well, it is "SSLError", so at least it's been dispatched correctly to an SSL handler 16:12 < cathalgarvey> SSL23 looks like an old SSL format though, perhaps it's not supported by Python? 16:13 * cathalgarvey tries to recall what versions of SSL border the SSL/TLS divide 16:13 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-50-157-136-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:13 < cathalgarvey> ofc, "string.replace("https://","http://") works fine too 16:31 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:34 -!- augur [~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:40 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:40 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 16:52 -!- rk[detached] is now known as ryankarason 17:11 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-128.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:18 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49 * heath was prescribed modafinil 17:50 * heath has to now find an insurance company that actually pays 17:50 < heath> $1026/month for 200mg 17:50 < heath> $300/month for 100mg 17:50 < kanzure> hey congrats you're getting screwed harder than i am on adderall 17:50 < kanzure> oh 17:51 < kanzure> hey congrats we're both being screwed about the same 17:53 < heath> it's ~$500/month for armodafinil 17:53 < heath> hey cathalgarvey, where are you working these days? 17:55 < kanzure> cathal is working out of his supervolcano lair 17:55 < cathalgarvey> Hello! 17:55 -!- pwang_ is now known as ParahSail1n 17:55 < cathalgarvey> Still working between the lab-in-rent's-house and my own kitchen at home (not for wetware, ofc) 17:56 < ParahSail1n> what's adderall cost you? 17:56 < kanzure> it varies by month and by pharmacy, $200-$300/mo (dose is the same each month) 17:57 < ParahSail1n> so thats how you type so fast 17:58 < kanzure> yes, according to http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure i type 20-30 wpm faster on adderall 17:59 < ParahSail1n> i can't take the physical strain of adderall unfortunately 17:59 < brownies> kanzure: eh? 18:00 < cathalgarvey> @ParaSail1n You need to take the ephemeral form, then? :) 18:01 < ParahSail1n> yeah the stuff i got was the XR, i'd be cool if it lasted for 2-4 hours then able to sit down and have an appetite 18:02 < ParahSail1n> it was XR, but i chewed the granules, but that didnt really help at being more ephemeral 18:02 < kanzure> i am on 30mg XR for 8 hours, then 20mg tablet non-XR for whatever else i need 18:07 < heath> anyone up for clicking so fast you have to get a robotic finger replacement? http://click-click-click.meteor.com 18:10 < ParahSail1n> heath i will win every time 18:10 < heath> it's on then 18:10 < heath> awww :) 18:11 < heath> heh, i didn't take into account more than 2 people looking at the screen at the same time :) 18:11 < heath> ..and clicking 18:11 < ParahSail1n> javascript:for(var i=0; i<50; i++)$(".Left").click() 18:12 < cathalgarvey> hax 18:12 * heath ragequits 18:13 < yashgaroth> go team left 18:14 < cathalgarvey> It broke my heart a little to use a C program as a backend, but I have finally got PySplicer set up to avoid secondary structure in mRNA output 18:15 < cathalgarvey> I can finally, therefore, order the goddamned gene I've been working on for weeks and go to bed 18:15 -!- makoLime [~mako@wireless-nat-7.auckland.ac.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:15 < cathalgarvey> Any last minute advice for shit-to-avoid-in-final-constructs? 18:15 < cathalgarvey> I've got RNAse E, will throw in biobrick enzymes etc.. what else to exclude? 18:16 < kanzure> heath: an xhr per click seems super inefficient. have you considered websockets? like socket.io or some shit. 18:17 < kanzure> ParahSail1n: wtf, i was trying that (actually i was using $(".score")[1]) but .click() didn't seem to be working. 18:18 < kanzure> heath: join our pokehack :o http://sanqui.sweb.cz/screen/2013051303%3A04%3A59diyhpl.us-~yenatch-pokecrystal-extras-tilemonster--Chromium-9ce8.png 18:19 < ParahSail1n> kanzure, .Left and .Right work 18:20 < heath> kanzure: that's a great point, re: ws:// 18:20 < heath> i had considered it, but i was mostly told to get familiar with it and have something up in a few hours :P 18:22 < heath> the obvious conclusion from the above being i haven't played with websockets much 18:23 < heath> https://github.com/heath/btc_ticker uses them 18:23 * heath will throw in ws:// per request 18:24 < kanzure> obviously you should be using dnode 18:24 < kanzure> over webrtc 18:24 < kanzure> with uh... um.. blast what the hell library is hip these days. 18:25 < kanzure> angular. 18:26 < heath> hah 18:45 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 < ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cjce.5450690317/abstract 19:01 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a06dadafd3ae391a6c2b49761edc562a.txt 19:03 < ParahSail1n> paperbot, http://heattransfer.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1450403 19:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Water-Heated%20Pool%20Boiling%20of%20Different%20Refrigerants%20on%20the%20Outside%20Surface%20of%20a%20Horizontal%20Smooth%20Tube.pdf 19:09 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:11 < cathalgarvey> Order placed, wish me luck! 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