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05:29 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:37 < kanzure> .title http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324031404578481680129191190
08:37 < yoleaux> Fans Lose Their Heads in Pursuit of Daft Punk Helmets - WSJ.com
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09:52 < kanzure> google glass things ported to run on android: https://github.com/zhuowei/Xenologer
09:55 < kanzure> ew why did he just dump .apk binaries into a git repo? what the hell.
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10:05 < kanzure> biostudent: welcome back
10:05 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hi
10:05 < yashgaroth> yo
10:05 < biostudent> hi all
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11:23 < kanzure> phillyj: hi
11:24 < phillyj> hi
11:24 < phillyj> whats up?
11:24 < phillyj> kanzure: anything going on around here?
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11:45 < archels> .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23536303
11:45 < yoleaux> Neuroprediction of future rearrest. [Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
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13:08 < biostudent> really interesting study that ^ there are some comments from http://neurocritic.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/can-anterior-cingulate-activity-predict.html which i found interesting
13:08 < biostudent> :
13:08 < biostudent> At March 28, 2013 1:38 PM, Blogger practiCal fMRI said...
13:08 < biostudent>     This is a correlation study so I feel justified in throwing out other random explanations to test for statistical significance. One thought is whether those who followed the instructions better, because they are now trying to be model subjects as well as model citizens, tended to move less than those who couldn't give a fig and were only in it for the sake of appearances. (It has to look...
13:08 < biostudent> ...good for the parole board, huh? "I volunteered for a scientific study on recidivism!") Although motion correction was used, the methods don't say whether motion parameters were tested to see if they, too, might predict re-arrest.
13:08 < biostudent>     To me the accuracy looks awfully like chance when you only have 102 subjects to start with. I wait with baited breath the results of the 3,000 subjects, but again I would be ready and willing to throw other explanations out there, some that might be just as good as (or better and cheaper than) fMRI. And until there's a low chance of a lawyer (with suitable methods-savvy fMRI types as...
13:08 < biostudent> ...expert witnesses) can't drive a large bus (towing a mobile MRI) through the alternative explanations there's no chance this will stand up in court, as the authors admit.
13:08 < biostudent> At March 28, 2013 1:55 PM, Blogger practiCal fMRI said...
13:08 < biostudent>     Just noticed your footnote! Per the work of Randy Buckner's lab, we know women move less than men and it's measurable in fMRI data. Motion sheds reasonable doubt on the results.
13:08 < biostudent> At March 28, 2013 2:15 PM, Blogger The Neurocritic said...
13:08 < biostudent>     practiCal fMRI - Thanks for your comments about motion correction. It's clearly something that needs to be addressed before going any further. I was also curious about whether any of the other behavioral or demographic variables would be more revealing than fMRI.
13:08 < biostudent>     I imagine the authors have a lot of other analyses up their sleeves even with the original dataset, given they only looked at errors (and there only ACC activity) and not at the NoGo vs. Go comparison.
13:08 < biostudent> At April 04, 2013 3:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...
13:08 < biostudent>     "the control group was 52% female while all the offenders were male"
13:08 < biostudent>     Wow, what kind of a control group is that?...
13:09 < ua> feminist
13:10 < kanzure> what?
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13:15 < nmz787> huh
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13:21 < biostudent> i also did not know women moved less in MRI machines than men.
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17:18 < kanzure> i like this kid: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/May/163
17:18 < kanzure> "I don’t want to allege PayPal a kind of bug bounty cost saving, but it’s not the best idea when you're interested in motivated security researchers... Sincerely, motivated 17 year old xss person"
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17:45 < biostudent> "The relaxed atmosphere of this quirky list provides some comic relief and certain industry gossip. Unfortunately, most of the posts are worthless drivel, so finding the gems takes patience." :D
17:46 < biostudent> is there any other advantage other than possible internet fame for posting zero attacks?
17:48 < kanzure> zero attacks?
17:48 < kanzure> do you mean zero-days?
17:48 < biostudent> yeah
17:49 < kanzure> anyway, yes there are a great number of reasons, like humiliating paypal into fixing their fucking problems
17:49 < biostudent> i suppose
17:49 < biostudent> they do seem to be in the news
17:50 < biostudent> also hi Bryan I did not quite put together you're from the mailing list
17:51 < biostudent> is this the most active channel for bio?
17:55 < kanzure> it's the most active for do-it-yourself biohacking related things. there's ##biology if you want generic biology homework help.
17:58 < biostudent> i dont really get biology homework anymore.
18:02 < biostudent> ive been wondering about investing/getting started in litecoin this month, i wonder if you have opinions.
18:02 < biostudent> it seems very ponzi scheme-y.
18:04 < fenn> biostudent: you don't "invest" in a currency, you speculate
18:05 < biostudent> i was speculating about speculating some time in it.
18:06 < biostudent> kanzure: i am currently watching one of your lectures. Have you read http://www.amazon.com/Biobazaar-Open-Source-Revolution-Biotechnology/dp/0674026357
18:06 < biostudent> it may interest, but is not easy going.
18:07 < kanzure> a lot of my friends have read it, so i've just absorbed it by osmosis, and i reference it regularly, but no i haven't read it.
18:09 < fenn> why did litecoin gain traction? why is is any better than generating my own bitcoin genesis block
18:09 < biostudent> ponzi scheme...
18:09 < kanzure> it's not a ponzi scheme.
18:09 < kanzure> how much traction does it have? i'm aware of it but i never looked at traction.
18:09 < fenn> well you've heard of it, that means it's "a thing"
18:10 < biostudent> i am aware it's not actually a ponzi scheme, but it;s a lot like a ponzi scheme.
18:10 < kanzure> well, i was looking for something that would use a different proof of work system, and then litecoin showed up and all was well with the world.
18:10 < fenn> but who cares about whether it works better with a GPU or not
18:11 < fenn> it has no bearing on use as a currency
18:11 < biostudent> the algorhythm is supposed to be non-hardware dependent right
18:11 < biostudent> i think you can buy bitcoins with litecoins though
18:12 < biostudent> and bitcoins are accepted in someplaces
18:12 < kanzure> biostudent: i have no idea why you are saying these sentences
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18:12 < biostudent> which sentences
18:12 < kanzure> fenn: i cared because i wanted to experiment with it, and then figured it would be easier to experiment with something different than it would be to go find the right gpu.
18:12 < kanzure> biostudent: all of yours. they don't make sense in context at all.
18:12 < fenn> what do you mean "experiment with it"
18:13 < kanzure> biostudent: why would it matter if you can buy bitcoins with litecoins? who cares?
18:13 < kanzure> fenn: "run it at least once and confirm that i am running it"
18:13 < biostudent> because you buy things with bitcoins and thus - 'it has no bearing on use as a currency'
18:13 < kanzure> no, he was talking about the hashing/proof of work function
18:14 < kanzure> litecoin was constructed ostensibly to use something that a CPU could calculate reliably, rather than requiring a GPU arms race.
18:14 < kanzure> so fenn was commenting on how a GPU armsrace being present or not has no bearing on whether or not it is a currency
18:14 < biostudent> ah i see. ok
18:14 < fenn> i dont see the problem with the gpu arms race
18:15 < fenn> my initial objection to bitcoin was that it would waste electricity/cpu power, but now i see that that doesn't matter, since the overall utility of the currency is higher than the wasted effort (as per nick szabo's essays on wampum and other physical money)
18:15 < biostudent> well, if your new capitalism-destroying crypto currency x can be mined more effectively by those with more expensive GPU's.
18:16 < fenn> you're severely deluded if you think that money will destroy capitalism
18:16 < biostudent> i dont
18:16 < kanzure> fenn: that's not the only thing wrong with his comment
18:16 < biostudent> I DONT
18:16 < biostudent> ffs people pick on the new guy
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18:16 < kanzure> i heard you the first time, no need to shout
18:17 < fenn> it's also not a complete phrase. if (x) then (insert observation here)
18:18 < biostudent> there was a lazily implied ellipsis at the end, where you make your own obvious conclusions.
18:18 < fenn> i'm too stupid to make the obvious conclusions, hence why i asked
18:18 < kanzure> it's not about mining efficiently
18:18 < kanzure> *efficiency
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18:19 < biostudent> i just meant that it wouldnt work as a wealth-equalising thing, which is what some people seem to be saying about cryptocoin
18:20 < kanzure> i don't think that's what fenn was saying
18:22 < biostudent> well, it would it not be a perhaps purely academic possible ethical advantage of litecoin over bitcoin
18:22 < biostudent> would it not*
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23:09 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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