--- Log opened Wed Jun 05 00:00:16 2013
--- Day changed Wed Jun 05 2013
00:00 < nmz787> i wonder what shit they don't let through
00:00 < kanzure> diybio is definitely moderated. the only way to use google groups is to enable moderation. otherwise you end up with a lot of spam.
00:00 < kanzure> so you have to manually review first-time posters.
00:00 < nmz787> how?
00:00 < kanzure> it's one of the config options in google groups
00:01 < nmz787> antony's first post was last year
00:01 < kanzure> for the google groups mailing lists that i manage, i always enable the moderation options to review first-time posters.
00:01 < nmz787> 12/5/12
00:01 < kanzure> well, when you approve a post in google groups, you don't set the bit to "always allow"
00:01 < kanzure> "always allow" is a separate action
00:02 < nmz787> huh
00:02 < nmz787> i feel like using a different platform now
00:02 < kanzure> oh it's definitely shit
00:02 < kanzure> mailman is worse
00:02 < kanzure> nobody uses sympa on diyhpl.us
00:02 < nmz787> why?
00:02 < kanzure> but jrayhawk would be really excited if you use try out the sympa instance!
00:02 < nmz787> why is mailman worse?
00:02 < kanzure> mailman is worse because it just is. have you ever looked at the source code? dreadful.
00:02 < nmz787> no
00:03 < nmz787> it's a mailing list, it works
00:03 < kanzure> i suppose it's better in the sense that google groups is so awful these days. but that's an extremely low bar to surpass.
00:03 < nmz787> never seen a need to hack it
00:03 < nmz787> what features does it lack?
00:03 < kanzure> people often complain that it's not a forum like phpbb
00:03 < nmz787> it sends mail to the other people on the list
00:04 < nmz787> so there is discussion locally about software for the possible portLAB
00:04 < kanzure> well. hplusroadmap was running on mailman for a while. then diybio showed up.
00:05 < nmz787> basically no one wants to login to all kinds of sites
00:05 < kanzure> i would be happy to complain about lab/hackerspace software another time, but i'm going to sleep.
00:05 < kanzure> haha i find that hard to believe. you don't even have to login to mailman.
00:05 < kanzure> and oauth works for all the other things
00:05 < kanzure> i mean oauth2
00:05 < nmz787> i like email interfaces
00:06 < nmz787> but others like web, etc
00:06 < kanzure> there was a lot of people on diybio a few years ago who wanted to move everything to a forum
00:06 < nmz787> someone was mirroring diybio on a forum some time ago
00:06 < kanzure> so someone wrote a mail2forum gateway
00:06 < kanzure> except nobody used the forums
00:06 < kanzure> so ha
00:06 < nmz787> yeah
00:06 < nmz787> but that might need to be a real project
00:06 < kanzure> why? :(
00:06 < nmz787> mail2formum2sticky2wiki
00:07 < kanzure> it's really boring work and not appreciated by anyone
00:07 < nmz787> that's the name
00:07 < nmz787> because that's what all these people seem to want/need
00:07 < nmz787> ahh there was a typo, that isn't the name
00:07 < nmz787> add in jitsi support, and get jrayhawk to package it
00:08 < nmz787> seems like a thing people would install
00:08 < kanzure> what is your objection to sympa?
00:08 < nmz787> dunno what it is
00:08 < nmz787> no objections
00:08 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/sympa/
00:09 < nmz787> so unrelated, an older mentor/friend mentioned wanting to store images as binary values in a databse
00:09 < nmz787> which i thought was stupid due to size when you could store a file string
00:10 < nmz787> i thought that the database queries would take super long as soon as the database was too big for RAM
00:10 < kanzure> databases are particularly good at querying, even in non-fixed-width situation
00:10 < kanzure> *sitations
00:10 < kanzure> *situations
00:10 < kanzure> especially if the data can be indexed
01:04 < jrayhawk> won't be an efficient use of storage space, but storage is cheap anyway
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01:06 < jrayhawk> it otherwise seems like a perfectly fine network-abstracted authenticated ACID storage and querying system
01:07 < jrayhawk> i am a little sad that Alue never really took off
01:07 < jrayhawk> the-alue.org
01:07 < jrayhawk> it seemed like a good idea
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05:05 < DonnchaC> paperbot: https://www.thieme-connect.de/ejournals/pdf/10.1055/s-1992-26132.pdf
05:05 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c175886789ecd63300c8d5f08bdbac7c.txt
05:11 < archels> http://gigazine.net/news/20130604-emperor-1510-lx/
05:11 < archels> DO WANT
05:12 < archels> DonnchaC: http://turingbirds.com/temp/s-1992-26132.pdf
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05:18 < DonnchaC> archels: Thank you very much!
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05:26 < superkuh> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl401088b
05:26 < paperbot> error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Light-Controlled%20Graphene-Elastin%20Composite%20Hydrogel%20Actuators.txt
05:27 < superkuh> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/nl401088b
05:27 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/784b3cacbabb7e57ece2b1f2877d3182.pdf
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08:08 < ParahSailin> kanzure: burrows wheeler transform is pretty good for fast approximate searching
08:09 < ParahSailin> not really novel but thats the most effective
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08:38 < archels> "Previous research has shown that following [...] ablation (Farkas et al. 1999) of whisker S1 there is an almost complete removal of whisker-evoked responses in S1."
08:39 < archels> er... you don't say.
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10:00 < kanzure> heard a techshop commercial on the radio today. i think they have a partnership with lowes.
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11:27 < DonnchaC_> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959638007800109
11:28 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Chapter%205.2%20Five-membered%20ring%20systems%3A%20pyrroles%20and%20benzo%20analogs.pdf
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13:29 < kanzure> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK_u8-UQmOs
13:29 < yoleaux> SoundWave: Using the Doppler Effect to Sense Gestures - YouTube
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13:34 < kanzure> http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/06/04/wi-fi-signals-enable-gesture-recognition-throughout-entire-home/
13:34 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5824286
13:35 < kanzure> "The WiSee proof-of-concept is implemented in GNURadio using the USRP-N210 hardware. Each USRP is equipped with a XCVR2450 daughterboard, and communicates on a 10 MHz channel at 5 GHz. Since USRPN210 boards cannot support multiple daughterboards, we built a MIMO receiver by combining multiple USRP-N210s using an external clock. In our evaluation, we use MIMO receivers that have up to five antennas. We use single antenna USRP-N210s as ...
13:35 < kanzure> ... transmitters. ... So basically, they are using 6+ USRPs at $1400+ each to do these experiments. However, since each USRP is communicating on a 10MHz channel at 5GHz, someone with between two and five MIMO 802.11n Wi-Fi devices could theoretically do the same."
13:35 < kanzure> paperbot: http://wisee.cs.washington.edu/wisee_paper.pdf
13:35 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f387d046990d549e67d0a92975890a87.pdf
13:36 < kanzure> well sure. if you get a lot of non-standard radio equipment you can do non-standard things.
13:37 < brownies> still pretty cool that they're doing it with radio.
13:37 < brownies> .meow
13:37 < yoleaux> http://moar.edgecats.net/cats/tumblr_m3xwh7ViB81r1lkdko1_400.gif
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13:48 < nmz787_> they'd just need to pull the doppler shift info from the driver or hardware... or if the shift correction is done on the copper, then it would be something that needs to be amended with manufacturers
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14:47 < kanzure> phillyj: i'm not a diybio moderator, so i wasn't able to approve antony's message.
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14:56 < nmz787_> hi phillyj
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15:18 < nmz787_> paperbot: http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0022-3476/PIIS0022347607007482.pdf
15:18 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2efd916f6bc56e67d729ed08f6dded40.txt
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17:07 < kanzure> "megabyte is often used to mean 1000 x 1000, 1024 x 1024 or even 1024 x 1000 by disk manufacturers"
17:07 < kanzure> i can see probable cause for confusion about 1000 vs 1024 but choosing 1024x1000 is just a dick move
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18:32 < brownies> word on the street is that mega really should mean 1000 x 1000 since mega always means 10^something
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19:11 < jrayhawk> brownies: correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte
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