--- Log opened Mon Jun 10 00:00:52 2013 00:20 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:32 < delinquentme> kanzure, you headed to 2045? 00:44 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:49 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:56 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@66.233.132.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:39 -!- helleshin 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[~kmo@apn-77-114-92-80.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:24 -!- kmo [~kmo@apn-77-114-92-80.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [Changing host] 03:24 -!- kmo [~kmo@unaffiliated/kmo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:43 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-133.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06 < archels`> paperbot: http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/2/4/310.full.pdf 04:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a80a6fb98dc9e7c3b689b9ef630d14a1.txt 04:13 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:00 < DonnchaC> paperbot: https://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-1976-24088 05:01 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/263e3c39832e603d1c9446bfb6274645.txt 05:20 -!- strangewarp [~C@c-67-176-51-26.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset 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[~chatzilla@105.133.0.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:10 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:29 < kanzure> "nothing to hide, everything to leak" 08:29 < kanzure> "nothing to hide, everything to lose" 08:40 < kanzure> http://www.fcc.gov/.git/config 08:40 < kanzure> wheeeeee 08:40 < kanzure> i wonder where i put my git-http downloader thing 08:42 < gradstudentbot> My parents keep asking when I'm going to finish. 08:57 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@66.233.132.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:15 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@41.249.68.237] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@206.169.234.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- klafka [~klafka@206.169.234.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:32 < kanzure> http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/ 09:47 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:55 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 < heath> http://genomeinabottle.org :: referenced from this talk from george church at tedxcern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSYtgTLQFw 09:58 -!- klafka [~klafka@206-169-234-26.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58 < heath> the talk also references http://www.personalgenomes.org/ 09:58 < kanzure> isn't that pgp? 09:58 < kanzure> yes it's probably pgp because you mentioned george church 09:59 < kanzure> oh look it even says pgp 09:59 < kanzure> amazon and ncbi both have copies of pgp genomes and 1000genomes genomes up on their servers. 10:05 < archels`> .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843511 10:05 < yoleaux> Aiming routines and their electrocort... [Scand J Med Sci Sports. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI 10:06 < archels`> Aiming routines and their electrocortical concomitants among competitive rifle shooters. 10:06 < archels`> wacky paper of the day ^ 10:10 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0838.2000.010003169.x/abstract 10:10 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b1ea7bc1ffc323f4c06d75c393e06f7f.txt 10:10 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0838.2000.010003169.x/pdf 10:10 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/86b8c4ab3edbafb2ef52bf2eb0db2b58.txt 10:11 < heath> for some reason the george church video's audio ends at 11:38 :| 10:11 < ParahSailin> http://libgen.org/scimag1/10.1034/j.1600-0838.2000.010003169.x.pdf 10:12 < kanzure> ParahSailin: you should make paperbot fall back to sci-mag. 10:12 < kanzure> i mean.. sci-hub. 10:12 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 < ParahSailin> yeah i think maybe even use sci-hub as primary 10:13 < kanzure> how does sci-hub work? could we just point zotero-translation server to it? 10:13 < kanzure> *zotero translation-server 10:13 < ParahSailin> those russians seem to have invested a bunch of time into it 10:13 < heath> http://arep.med.harvard.edu/pdf/Mitra03c.pdf‎ :: Fluorescent in situ sequencing on polymerase colonies 10:13 < ParahSailin> the backend seems to do a bit of translation to pdf urls already 10:14 < kanzure> well, maybe we should just rent a server in russia. or maybe RTM would be willing to give us something. 10:15 < kanzure> actually, yeah, the russian transhumanist people should have servers that we can use. right? 10:17 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22 < ParahSailin> yeah, sci-hub, if you just put that /abstract url in, it does its own translation to pdf 10:22 < kanzure> oh i see 10:22 < kanzure> that's good 10:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:35 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 10:36 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- quantumkat [~kat@ip70-171-6-179.ga.at.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- Guest35238 [~Coornail@li66-97.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:42 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: sivoais, kmo, cogitokat, klafka_, wizrobe, Lemminkainen, Guest80638 10:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:00 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:06 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 -!- Netsplit over, joins: wizrobe 11:31 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:36 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:48 -!- kmo [~kmo@apn-77-114-92-80.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 -!- kmo [~kmo@apn-77-114-92-80.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [Changing host] 11:48 -!- kmo [~kmo@unaffiliated/kmo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 -!- quantumkat is now known as cogitokat 11:49 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:54 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tcdxawqbiwdfeceb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@41.249.68.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:40 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@41.249.68.237] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@41.249.68.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00 -!- diginet [~diginet@107-213-86-126.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:01 < diginet> could anyone here help me with an article behind a paywall? 13:01 < diginet> http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=3098 13:02 < chris_99> heh those things look cool, planning on making one? 13:02 < chris_99> (alas i don't have access) 13:03 < diginet> yeah, maybe, I have to see how feasible it is 13:03 < diginet> chris_99: ah, thanks anyway 13:03 < chris_99> some dude made something that let you scan a record in and it parsed the image to sound 13:03 < chris_99> so i bet making a laser record player isn't too hard 13:05 < chris_99> http://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1054/974 may be of interest 13:05 < chris_99> (for reading old cylinder recordings) 13:05 < diginet> ahh thanks 13:07 < gradstudentbot> The protocol is wrong. 13:10 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=3098 13:10 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/999cc70814ee7967bc9548ac29de9ab8.txt 13:11 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:27 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@105.137.13.127] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- diginet [~diginet@107-213-86-126.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 14:04 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15 < chris_99> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6226536 14:15 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ecbc45c4cb22514bc4d1a876c4f252ed.txt 14:15 < kanzure> when's that sci-hub update coming to paperbot? 14:17 < chris_99> hmm i wonder with scihub, if you can just use the cookie locally, so you don't have to keep going through their proxy 14:18 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18 < kanzure> it's not always a cookie 14:19 < kanzure> the implementation details vary between each publisher 14:22 < kanzure> petri dishes instead of batarangs 14:48 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:02 -!- gonz [~gonz@unaffiliated/gonz] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving..."] 15:03 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-133.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-187-65.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:11 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-165-83.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:17 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192.195.81.250] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 < delinquentme> nmz787_, can has market for the spec? 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17:14 < delinquentme> tis stuck in the back of the mind 17:15 < nmz787_> cool 17:15 < nmz787_> a local guy has been helping with the schematic and PCB 17:15 < nmz787_> though I'm trying to follow things up in the free/open schematic PCB software KiCAD too 17:25 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 17:28 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-165-83.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: phillyj] 17:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- klafka [~klafka@173-164-76-214-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:58 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 -!- Juul [~Juul@208.87.217.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:09 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192.195.81.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:15 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:18 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@75-165-14-50.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:18 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@75-165-14-50.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:18 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:32 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:35 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 < kanzure> hah "According to the [23]Guardian, Snowden is a 29-year-old high school dropout who trained for the Army Special Forces before an injury forced him to leave the military. His IT credentials are apparently limited to a few "computer" classes he took at a community college in order to get his high school equivalency degree--courses that he did not complete. His first job at the NSA was as a security guard. Then, amazingly, he moved up the ... 18:37 < kanzure> ... ranks of the United States' national security infrastructure: The CIA gave him a job in IT security. He was given diplomatic cover in Geneva. He was hired by Booz Allen Hamilton, the government contractor, which paid him $200,000 a year to work on the NSA's computer systems." 18:38 < kanzure> i wonder what "diplomatic cover" includes. 18:48 -!- ParahSailin_ [~ropoctl@99-25-202-211.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:48 -!- ParahSailin_ [~ropoctl@99-25-202-211.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:48 -!- ParahSailin_ [~ropoctl@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:56 -!- klafka [~klafka@70.98.241.200] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:26 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33 -!- AshleyWaffle_ [~quassel@174-24-217-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:35 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:51 -!- FooQuuxman [~test@c-98-215-254-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:17 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@105.133.37.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:41 -!- AshleyWaffle_ [~quassel@174-24-217-90.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@174-24-217-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:41 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@174-24-217-90.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:41 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55 -!- ParahSailin_ [~ropoctl@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Quit: ParahSailin_] 21:00 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39 -!- lichen_ [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:48 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@174-24-217-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:48 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@174-24-217-90.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:48 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:08 -!- klafka [~klafka@70.98.241.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38 < nmz787_> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4952165&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F4915518%2F4952124%2F04952165.pdf%3Farnumber%3D4952165 23:38 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/850f405784584e2f0807ac1bf79c2691.txt 23:45 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-108-18-159-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Jun 11 00:00:53 2013