--- Log opened Sun Jun 23 00:00:04 2013 00:00 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 01:13 < juri_> T minus less than a week until i'm running plastic through a liquid cooled polycarbonate printing .45mm hot end. 02:04 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:05 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:01 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:55 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:17 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:06 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:03 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:29 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:43 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-152.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:45 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:27 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:35 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:57 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:01 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:07 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- ianmathwiz7 [~chatzilla@ip65-46-170-6.z170-46-65.customer.algx.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:13 -!- saurik [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:26 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-169-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-169-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@obquire.infologie.co] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:44 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:08 -!- weles [~mariusz@c-71-234-3-169.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57 < kanzure> "Python threads cannot be used for CPU heavy loads because they all run on a single core.[0][1]" 11:57 < kanzure> "[0]: CPython threads are kernel threads but effectively act like user threads. All threads run within a single VM and thus restricted to a single core." 11:57 < kanzure> "[1]: Jython does not have the same limitation." 11:57 < kanzure> i guess that's just like jruby 12:00 < brownies> kanzure: cRuby actually has more hilarious limitations 12:00 < brownies> specifically it uses a *global* lock 12:00 < ThomasEgi> the infamous GIL in python. 12:01 < kanzure> the problem with jython is that the latest version is jython2.7 12:01 < kanzure> and there's nothing for python 3.x 12:03 < brownies> are people actually using python 3 though? 12:04 -!- saurik [~saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 < kanzure> yes 12:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node25.19.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node25.19.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 < brownies> amazing 12:51 < jrayhawk> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130619091319.htm 12:53 < brownies> .title 12:53 < yoleaux> New research backs genetic 'switches' in human evolution 12:55 < jrayhawk> Summary: transcription factor binding sites are three times as mutable as protein-coding genes 13:05 < brownies> wild 13:52 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: video games] 13:58 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-169-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:35 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-169-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: phillyj] 14:56 < jrayhawk> in humans, that is 14:59 -!- sseehh_ [~me@c-24-131-65-218.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:29 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-152.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:53 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:19 < nmz787_> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016816990100179X 16:19 < paperbot> no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3bb91dd25db172ec9a27c4a9b9a686d1.txt 16:21 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@146.90.121.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@146.90.121.3] has quit [Client Quit] 17:09 -!- jonathan___ [~jonathan@wsip-70-167-73-242.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- jonathan__ [~jonathan@wsip-70-167-73-242.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:12 < kanzure> jonathan___: hi 17:17 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-169-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-16-169-222.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:40 < jonathan___> question of the week 18:40 < jonathan___> how many thousands of dollars will I lose because of bernanke 18:45 -!- plur [~barriers@198.48.2.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:47 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:49 -!- plur [~barriers@198.48.2.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 -!- jonathan___ [~jonathan@wsip-70-167-73-242.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00 < klafka> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806146824/melon-a-headband-and-mobile-app-to-measure-your-fo thoughts ? 19:00 -!- jonathan___ [~jonathan@wsip-70-167-73-242.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 < klafka> this brings up an interesting idea for google glass 19:01 < klafka> integrate eeg into it 19:02 < yashgaroth> can normal EEGs with 2 dozen electrodes detect 'focus'? 19:03 < klafka> how is focus defined? 19:03 < yashgaroth> well, exactly 19:04 < klafka> i like the idea of using eeg for something like google glass / eyetap 19:05 < klafka> of course that makesit even creepier to people 19:05 < yashgaroth> for that matter, can PET or MRI even be like 'this guy is hella focused right now' 19:05 < klafka> (some people) 19:05 < yashgaroth> hell you're already wearing glass, anyone who can handle that can deal with your focus-halo 19:06 < yashgaroth> I'd think that the 3 electrodes it comes with would be lucky to tell if you're alive but I'm not a neuro person 19:06 < klafka> i don't mean eeg for focus 19:06 < klafka> eeg as an interface 19:06 < klafka> yeah that was my belief too 19:06 < kanzure> eeg is just extremely disappointing 19:07 < klafka> kanzure: can't it do binary sort of shit? 19:07 < yashgaroth> if it prevents people from doing that chin-up motion then I'm sure they'll buy it 19:07 < kanzure> 3 electrodes have been used in other devices to track input, but again i've always been disappointed in them :( 19:07 < klafka> aah 19:07 < kanzure> emotiv epoc has 5-7 sensors i think 19:08 < klafka> kanzure idk i feel like you could at least get binary or quaternary 19:08 < kanzure> have you ever used it? 19:09 < kanzure> also why wouldn't you just use emotiv, neurosky, openeeg, or any of the others. why this kickstarter.com project? 19:09 < klafka> no idea 19:09 < klafka> idk 19:09 < klafka> cheaper 19:09 < kanzure> actually, i'm relatively impressed with their limited scope they are marketing on that page 19:09 < klafka> this headband is 100 bucks 19:10 < kanzure> most of these fucking products are marketed as life-changing bci 19:10 < kanzure> but they claim only focus, (but what they really mean is a specific type of "wave" that they track with signal processing, it's not actually "focus") 19:11 < kanzure> "where Melon can monitor brainwave activity from the prefrontal cortex" oh boy "brainwaves" :( 19:13 < klafka> BRAIN WAAAVES 19:15 < gradstudentbot> I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. 19:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node171.18.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node171.18.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 < kanzure> i wonder why i didn't know that golang had garbage collection 19:44 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:08 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:16 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 < brownies> golang has it all! 20:18 -!- crw [~crw@unaffiliated/crw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:18 < brownies> except for pleasant syntax 20:18 < crw> goodness. 20:18 < brownies> that part is just right out. 20:20 < kanzure> crw: hello 20:20 < crw> howdy 20:42 < crw> here via exi-chat, been catching up on many years subscribed but unread 20:48 < kanzure> ah good 20:48 < kanzure> well, exi-chat just gets progressively worse 20:49 < kanzure> have fun! 20:51 < crw> been about 10 years since the last time i really followed it. was nice to see some familiar names still around. 20:53 < kanzure> you might be interested in http://diyhpl.us/cgit and http://gnusha.org/logs/ 20:53 < crw> was pleased to see you'd posted something about what vinay gupta's up to, that was about 4 years ago 20:54 < crw> shame it didn't get any good conversation going 20:54 < kanzure> i haven't heard anything from vinay in a while now 20:54 < crw> he's prolific on twitter lately. good stuff. 20:54 < crw> did an amazing talk last winter 20:54 < crw> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BORHRKg-VoI 20:54 < kanzure> .title 20:54 < yoleaux> Vinay Gupta at Meaning 2012: "Plausible utopias" - YouTube 21:00 < crw> good stuff 21:23 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:29 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 < heath> this sucks 22:02 < heath> i chose express and angular because that's what everyone is looking for in mobile developers, but really all i really want is mobile 22:02 < heath> is meteor* 22:04 < brownies> i am not sure those words go together like that. 22:04 < brownies> people want express and angular for mobile developers? 22:06 -!- comet [~not@bas5-kingston08-1177886073.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:09 < heath> for web development 22:09 < heath> some people just say "fuck mobile apps" and just use mobile first css frameworks 22:09 < heath> so it makes sense 22:10 < heath> why aren't bio hackerspaces using IRC, grr 22:14 -!- comet [~not@bas5-kingston08-2925406872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:16 < strangewarp> heath: most people don't understand how to use IRC right, from a social perspective. the pattern of "webchat client joins a channel, asks a question, waits 40 seconds, leaves" is still going strong. also a bunch of people who used AIMchats when they were shitty teens and assume IRC is the same sort of thing. 22:19 < crw> think the subtext is that denizens of hackerspaces (bio or otherwise) should know enough to make good use of such a tool. you're describing "regular folks" 22:19 < strangewarp> also there is a bloc of people who think IRC is a primitive and inferior version of Twitter, because so many people use Twitter the same way a shitty person would use IRC 22:19 < kanzure> no, the denizens of bio-spaces are not irc folks in general 22:19 < kanzure> they are very much from a different culture that hates computing 22:19 < kanzure> and computers and internet 22:19 < kanzure> (biologists tend to hate computernets) 22:20 < crw> odd 22:20 < yashgaroth> hate, fear, whatever 22:20 < kanzure> crw: why is it odd? 22:21 < crw> why would they hate something with so much potential to help them in their work? 22:22 < strangewarp> cognitive inertia 22:24 < heath> "biology has become an information science", i hear this so often 22:24 < heath> related words to follow at some point when i can word them nicely 22:25 -!- Juul [~Juul@c-67-170-193-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:25 < heath> guess i'm just frustrated tonight and need to just deal with it 22:25 < crw> the field of bioinformatics would seem to indicate there's at least some culture within biology that embraces such stuff. 22:26 < gradstudentbot> If I break my arm, do I still have to present tomorrow? 22:26 < yashgaroth> a tiny, tiny fraction 22:26 * heath listens to the remastered ocarina of time ost to calm down for a bit :) 22:29 < strangewarp> it's like those stupid advertisements you see: "10 Weird Tricks a Mom Discovered" - most people just get through life by memorizing weird tricks. 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