--- Log opened Fri Jun 28 00:00:09 2013 00:08 -!- kmo [122@d30-138.icpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:08 -!- kmo [122@d30-138.icpnet.pl] has quit [Changing host] 00:08 -!- kmo [122@unaffiliated/kmo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:10 -!- kmo is now known as kajetan 00:48 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:54 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:00 -!- klafka [~klafka@24.6.18.31] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@24.6.18.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:48 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:48 * pasky used to take notes in his own tex flavor in the college 03:48 < pasky> it's doable in real-time with light postprocessing phase 03:48 -!- Charlie [~quassel@74.63.212.44] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 < pasky> i started in a meta-language i envisioned converting to tex and/or mathml, then i discovered (it was 2004) that mathml is unusable for anything and moved plain tex with huge number of shortcut macros :) 03:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 03:50 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:51 < pasky> http://math.or.cz/fastex/lib.tex ah these were the times \o/ *nostalgy* 03:58 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-152.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:04 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 06:06 -!- Thorbinator2 [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09 -!- Thorbinator [~Thorbinat@66-237-51-34.starstream.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:22 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:29 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@81.129.143.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@81.129.143.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:35 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@host81-129-143-30.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:36 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:38 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:53 < kanzure> pasky: is mathml still unusable? 06:55 < pasky> AIUI there are now javascript libraries that make it usable, but I haven't looked into it much 07:06 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:12 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:13 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:20 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:35 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:35 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:39 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@host81-129-143-30.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:41 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 < jonathan__> jeez, my poor apple stock 07:58 -!- octopine [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 < octopine> Anyone want an old thermocycler? Pretty sure it takes diesel 08:01 < kanzure> is this really a diesel-powered thermocycler? 08:02 < octopine> kanzure no, I wish. It's the kind you have to use mineral oil with (no lid heating element) 08:03 < octopine> well if anyone's interested I can take a picture and make sure it works 08:03 < octopine> and weigh it 08:08 -!- kajetan [122@unaffiliated/kmo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:09 < abetusk> octopine, where are you and how much do you think shipping is? 08:12 < abetusk> octopine, let me rephrase, I'd like to give it to my local hackerspace, as the cost isn't too high 08:14 < ParahSailin> heh, they're interviewing a new php monkey 08:15 < octopine> abetusk in Florida. Not sure how much it will cost to ship as I haven't weighed it. It's pretty heavy though 08:16 < abetusk> octopine, you want to get back to me with an estimate? 08:16 < octopine> abetusk where are you? 08:17 < abetusk> oh, right, that's important. Ithaca, NY 08:17 < abetusk> 14850 08:19 < ParahSailin> cornell? 08:20 < abetusk> Cornell is in Ithaca. I'm not affiliated with them 08:23 < jonathan__> apple stock despair http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/06/26/apple-stock-despair/ 08:59 < jonathan__> "since August 2004: AAPL has returned 2,500%, GOOG 763%, MSFT 63% and SPY 73%." 09:16 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 < jonathan__> "Chipotle's genetically modified burritos - Chipotle becomes one of the first restaurant chains to admit they have genetically modified organisms in half of their dishes." ... soybean oil 09:27 < brownies> isn't every organism on the planet genetically modified? 09:27 < brownies> you know, because it evolves, and stuff? 09:29 < ParahSailin> stop being pedantic, you know what they mean and so does everyone else 09:30 < ParahSailin> its hard enough for one person to understand another without one being intentionally oblique 09:31 < crw> genetically modified (by humans) organisms makes for a non-snazzy acronym. "GM(BH)O? that won't fit on my protest sign" 09:32 < ParahSailin> GMO in the context of foods by convention and connotation means transgenic 09:35 < crw> genetically modified, by humans, on purpose. definitely not snazzy. 10:07 < jonathan__> just call them zombie organisms 10:07 < jonathan__> ZO-soybean 10:08 < jonathan__> the public needs more hysteria. its the only way "pink slime" got finally taken down. 10:08 < jonathan__> before that anti-marketing frenzy, everyone was happy to eat the disgusting stuff 10:09 < jonathan__> chipotle's food is very unhealthy. however i applaud their new labeling campaign. 10:10 < crw> i don't understand why pink slime isn't an animated character yet 10:11 < ParahSailin> chipotle isnt one i'd single out as being particularly unhealthy 10:11 < crw> give it a youtube show, packaged pink slime toys in happy meals 10:11 < kanzure> yes, people modify foods on purpose on their own even without transgenic stuff 10:11 < kanzure> i.e. intentional plant breeding 10:11 < kanzure> the end is near! fuck off. 10:11 < crw> :P 10:12 < crw> what was it douglas adams said about civilization? 10:12 < kanzure> who cares. he's dead and wrong. 10:12 < jonathan__> look at the nutritional comparison. chipotle is no more healthy than any other fast food. it only "looks" healthy. you have been deceived. 10:12 < kanzure> nobody said it was healthy 10:12 < kanzure> wtf 10:12 < crw> i care, because he's funny :) 10:13 < jonathan__> " isnt one i'd single out as being particularly unhealthy" - double negative leading to doublespeak 10:13 < ParahSailin> i havent seen their ingredient lists, but it seems like its mostly actual food there 10:13 < jonathan__> "isnt .... unhealthy" 10:13 < crw> oh but it's a memory failure on my part. i had confused his quote re: civilization with his quote about the beginning of the universe 10:13 < kanzure> "isn't unhealthy" doesn't mean "it's healthy". health is not quite like htat. 10:13 < kanzure> *that 10:14 < kanzure> crw: isn't it cliche to be quoting douglas adams by now? 10:14 < jonathan__> unhealthy <-> healthy is relative scale meansure 10:14 < jonathan__> lots of oil 10:14 < kanzure> let's measure health impedance of chiptole with a giant oscilloscope 10:14 < jonathan__> of course no one can agree on definition of health so it's all meaningless 10:14 < crw> kanzure: i'm old, give me some leeway :P 10:14 < ParahSailin> other than wheat, the food there seems about like the sort of stuff i'd cook at home for myself 10:15 < jonathan__> you can't see the salt and oil that they add. its invisible 10:15 < jonathan__> oh but your body knows muahahaha 10:15 < jonathan__> sugar too 10:16 < jonathan__> dont forget extra cheese hmmm does a heart attack good 10:16 < ParahSailin> i thought we buried the lipid hypothesis like a decade ago 10:16 < jonathan__> anyways it sure will be nicer when food is labelled and tested as gmo vs. evolved 10:17 < ParahSailin> along with ancel keys 10:18 < jonathan__> just keep doing whatever it is you're doing. we'll analyze your autopsy when you eventually pass. 10:19 < ParahSailin> ill stick to science that hasnt been discredited 10:20 < kanzure> crw: are you done catching up on extropy-chat emails? 10:20 < jonathan__> oh you mean the science funded by the meat & dairy industry dont you. lol 10:20 < jonathan__> my own medical stats are proof enough for me. 10:21 < crw> kanzure: aye 10:21 < ParahSailin> did i just get into a bloodwork e-peen contest? 10:21 < kanzure> crw: great, now catch up on science things, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ 10:22 < kanzure> ParahSailin: blood comparison as an olympic sport? 10:22 < kanzure> ParahSailin: seems like only multiple samples over the span of a week would be worth looking at 10:22 < jonathan__> i only use blood for human sacrifice anyway 10:22 < kanzure> maybe longer 10:22 < ParahSailin> kanzure: gotta be realtime gcms on chip implanted 10:22 < crw> kanzure: hah, well, i'm a programmer/engineer, not a scientist. but i'll try to put a dent in that stuff as well. 10:22 < kanzure> crw: that's a lousy attitude :( 10:23 < kanzure> crw: i am also a programmer, but that doesn't mean i shouldn't science 10:23 < crw> kanzure: my current to-read queue is over 400 books long, i do the best i can :) 10:23 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i'm not convinced that real-time would be interesting to look at for that sort of competition 10:24 < kanzure> ParahSailin: what about a game of immune system tests, where we put two blood samples together and observe which immune cells hate each other the most? 10:24 < ParahSailin> i'd win that one, im probably a host for all kinds of diseases that i've picked up over the last 10 years of not being sick 10:25 < gradstudentbot> Is there free food at that seminar? 10:25 < ParahSailin> what triggers that thing ^ 10:26 < kanzure> science 10:26 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: sup 10:26 < gradstudentbot> I got in around 11. 10:48 -!- joehot [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:49 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7455/full/nature12267.html 10:49 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Elastic%20energy%20storage%20in%20the%20shoulder%20and%20the%20evolution%20of%20high-speed%20throwing%20in%20Homo.pdf 10:49 < ParahSailin> holy shit, nytimes.com linked an Original Source on a journal article 10:51 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:52 < ParahSailin> tldr: girls throw like girls 11:01 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 -!- joehot [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:04 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:05 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[funinthesun] 12:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-152.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:02 < jrayhawk> there's a theory that throwing produced high-functioning human egalitarianism by way of democratizing coercive threat 13:02 < kanzure> is there a missing verb in there? 13:03 < jrayhawk> don't think so 13:05 < jrayhawk> the idea being that the biggest, strongest asshole can only coerce so many before he's outmatched by projectiles 13:05 < jrayhawk> which is part of why 'alpha male' in other primates is not a good model for 'alpha male' in humans 13:06 < crw> would that not just cause the big, strong assholes to band together to coerce more effectively? or maybe that's where armies came from? 13:07 < jrayhawk> assholes aren't good at banding 13:07 < crw> hmm 13:08 < EnLilaSko> Wouldn't assholes just need 1 leader? 13:08 < gradstudentbot> Should I still be wearing gloves? 13:10 < crw> it's an interesting theory 13:11 < jrayhawk> part of this concept is that increases in weapons technology sophistication are increases in potential scale for an organized society by way of coercive threat 13:11 < jrayhawk> but obviously there are issues with this; not all advancements were democratic 13:12 < crw> yeah that doesn't work 13:12 < crw> jrayhawk: i wonder if there are any clues to that theory in the history of stoning as a punishment 13:39 < Sanky> happy tau day http://tauday.com/ 13:40 < nmz787_> jonathan__: was pink slime ever proven to be bad? I thought it was just tough bits and fat gassed with ammonia 13:41 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:42 < jrayhawk> http://newpaltz.mediasite.suny.edu/Mediasite/Play/ccadc3bce2e74f97829bb0d796b453c21d is an okay presentation on that throwing thing if you have silverlight 13:42 < jrayhawk> otherwise 13:42 < jrayhawk> manifest=( $( curl -s http://newpaltz.mediasite.suny.edu/Mediasite/FileServer/Presentation/ccadc3bce2e74f97829bb0d796b453c21d/manifest.js | perl -ne 'print $_ if s/.+"(.+MP4Video.+?)".+/$1/ or s/.+SlideBaseUrl="(.+)".+/$1/; s/\// slash /g; s/ /_/g; print $_ if s/.+Title="(.+)".+/$1/ or s/.+Slides\[(.+)\].+/$1/' ) ); curl -C - -o "${manifest[2]}.mp4" "${manifest[0]}"; for slide in ${manifest[@]:3}; do curl -C - -o ... 13:42 < jrayhawk> ... "${manifest[2]}_Slide_$(printf '%04d' "$slide")".jpg "${baseurl}${manifest[1]}slide_$(printf '%04d' "$slide")_full.jpg"; done; 13:44 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:44 < delinquentme> kanzure, this weekend? 13:46 < ParahSailin> jrayhawk: interesting sociology 13:47 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, no! 13:47 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, whatchoo working on 13:47 < delinquentme> how do save lives? 13:47 < delinquentme> how do immertl 13:50 < delinquentme> anyone else see this: http://semanto.me/2013/06/18/i-will-fear-no-evil-the-first-head-transplant-on-human/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog 13:56 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:07 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20 < kanzure> delinquentme: maybe this weekend 14:20 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:20 < kanzure> jrayhawk: my first question is, after seeing that bash barf, are you feeling okay? 14:20 < delinquentme> redbull waterbaloons? 14:21 < kanzure> no thanks 14:21 < delinquentme> =[. 14:21 < delinquentme> transformers? 14:21 < jrayhawk> it's only half bash-barf 14:21 < delinquentme> evangelion lambo??! 14:23 < jrayhawk> oh, i screwed it up, too 14:23 < jrayhawk> $baseurl is supposed to be http://newpaltz.mediasite.suny.edu 14:29 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:41 < kanzure> i just fixed a bug in a bash script that has been around for 14 months 14:41 < kanzure> $"{}" p.sure this wont help much. 15:01 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-6-40.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- phillyj [~Thunderbi@pool-108-36-6-40.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: phillyj] 15:23 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 -!- helleshin [~talinck@69-61-156-24.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:47 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:19 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 17:48 < crw> jrayhawk: before i go to the trouble of watching that presentation, does it go into language development alongside acquiring the ability to throw? 18:08 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:48 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-227-106.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@66.233.132.203] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-227-106.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-66-27-118-94.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node192.19.251.72.1dial.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@node192.19.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:45 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:09 < kanzure> " A month earlier, Samsung Bioepis—a Samsung-Biogen Idec biologics joint venture—said it would collaborate with Merck & Co. to create "multiple pre-specified" undisclosed biosimilars. The collaboration follows separate biosimilars failures by Samsung and Merck in recent years." 21:09 < kanzure> ha, biosimiliars 21:09 < kanzure> biosimilars, i mean 21:10 < kanzure> "Sony, which is scrambling to reverse years of red ink, houses a Biotechnology unit looking beyond its traditional strengths in advanced flow cytometry analysis and sorting technology." hmm. 21:11 < crw> with sony's track-record for tech, that's a scary prospect 21:11 < kanzure> well, just an opportunity 21:12 < crw> as long as they've learned from their past mistakes, i guess 21:12 < kanzure> eventually the biotech companies will be eaten alive by startups 21:12 < kanzure> and the tech companies like sony/samsung are more used to the rapid changes in the technology markets 21:12 < kanzure> so they would be possible entry-points for any tech-savy biotech startup 21:12 < kanzure> or something like that 21:12 < kanzure> idea not formed yet 21:13 < crw> can only hope it happens that way and that excessively-hostile regulations from a legislature that 1) doesn't know any better; and 2) over-lobbied from those currently-entrenched companies - don't ruin it 21:17 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:29 < yashgaroth> mitsubishi's been big in biotech for a while 21:32 < kanzure> crw: the legislature is of no interest to me. they can't legislate bacteria into extinction. 21:33 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:34 < crw> no but they can instruct their enforcer class to more or less destroy you if you attempt to do something they don't like. 21:34 < kanzure> anonymity 21:35 < crw> oh i thought we were talking about businesses. though i guess anonymous business ventures shouldn't be out of the question if we're talking about hypothetical futures. 21:35 < kanzure> yeah, ParahSailin's anonymous antibody black market seems to be paying off pretty well 21:40 < delinquentme> yashgaroth, reeeally 21:40 < yashgaroth> yes, mitsubishi tanabe research labs 21:41 < yashgaroth> mostly they just buy up small companies, like big pharma does but without all that pesky research-doing 21:44 < yashgaroth> not big like pfizer/lilly/merck/gsk big, but big for a non-biotech 22:09 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-24-21-206-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:47 < jonathan__> i read about those labs.. in william gibson.. that's where they make the cyborgs and mutants right 22:48 < jonathan__> m. tanabe research labs and some in the archipelago 22:49 < jonathan__> staffed by postdocs who never left, five generations ago, and had offspring within the complex, also to become postdocs, so they are completely estranged from society and have their own morals and values including massive self modification 22:49 < yashgaroth> gibsonland, where hybridomas are capable of anything 22:50 < jonathan__> the sixth generation is mutating due to inbreeding so they are focusing on a way to create genetic diversity but many of the fifth generation are already mad 22:50 < jonathan__> paranoid delusional 22:50 < jonathan__> not unlike academia today 22:50 < yashgaroth> arcologies overgrown with experiments gone wrong 22:51 < jonathan__> better them than me 22:51 < yashgaroth> would be nice if more postdocs were into self modification tho 22:52 < gradstudentbot> Where did you put the revisions to the paper? 22:52 < jonathan__> rumor has it that some biologists smoke cigarettes, that's some easy genetic self modification in the damage dept. at least 22:53 < jonathan__> the kombucha is dead 22:53 < yashgaroth> hey man when my ultralungs finish evolving we'll see who laughs 22:53 < yashgaroth> whaaat? both of them? 22:53 < jonathan__> total zoo tonight 22:54 < jonathan__> everyone walking in circles, one room to another, stuff moved around because of new benches 22:54 < yashgaroth> oh yeah how are/how many are the benches? 22:54 < jonathan__> tons 22:54 < yashgaroth> sweeeee 22:54 < jonathan__> like a dozen 22:55 < jonathan__> someone brought in a different microwave "from the garage" 22:55 < jonathan__> I asked if it was clean 22:55 < jonathan__> "I dont know" 22:55 < jonathan__> how do I know if I can use it? 22:55 < yashgaroth> "he laughed" 22:55 < jonathan__> "it's for food" 22:55 < jonathan__> what if it's not clean? 22:55 < jonathan__> "I cleaned it today" 22:55 < jonathan__> with what? 22:55 < jonathan__> "the cleaning stuff, windex and stuff" 22:55 < jonathan__> what if it's hot? how do you know what it was used for? 22:56 < jonathan__> "what are you talking about, I just cleaned it today" 22:56 < jonathan__> but where did it come from? 22:56 < jonathan__> "I dont know" 22:56 < jonathan__> how did it get here? 22:56 < jonathan__> "it was in the garage, I told you" 22:56 < jonathan__> but who dropped it off and what did they use it for? 22:56 < jonathan__> "I dont know, katrina said use it for food." 22:56 < jonathan__> how did she know what it was used for and if it was clean? 22:56 < jonathan__> "she didn't know either" 22:57 < jonathan__> then how can you say it's clean when you don't know where it's been? 22:57 < jonathan__> "because I just cleaned it today!" 22:57 < yashgaroth> isn't she the one who's all paranoid about that shit 22:57 < jonathan__> kind of reminds me of eliza lol 22:57 < jonathan__> if it's radioactive then we shouldn't use it, right? 22:57 < jonathan__> "just stop, it is not!" 22:57 < jonathan__> how do you know? 22:57 < jonathan__> "because it was in the garage" 22:57 < jonathan__> Ok.... 22:58 < yashgaroth> yeah I don't really trust babak's microwave either 22:59 < jonathan__> me neither 22:59 < jonathan__> "where's the microwave?" 22:59 < jonathan__> oops wrong quoting 22:59 < jonathan__> where's the microwave? 23:00 < jonathan__> joe: "hmm ahh wheres the microwave. did anyone see a microwave. where did that go to?" 23:00 < jonathan__> dude, it's a microwave that's like 2' by 3' it's kind of hard to miss aint it 23:00 < jonathan__> anyways it was across the room on the floor not plugged in 23:00 < jonathan__> lol 23:01 < yashgaroth> hey they blend in 23:01 < jonathan__> imagine what will happen when there are... actual.... experiments... going on 23:01 < yashgaroth> I try not to 23:02 < jonathan__> i thought it was a working meeting, meanwhile everyone's chatting up the girls. what 23:02 < jonathan__> do work, chat up girls some other time dudes 23:02 < yashgaroth> pfft you're one to talk 23:02 < jonathan__> might as well go to grad school with this nonsense 23:03 < jonathan__> eh, I dont chat up lab girls when it's work time. 23:03 < yashgaroth> fair enough. did they get the 2nd hood raised? 23:03 < jonathan__> I think so 23:03 < yashgaroth> well huzzah I guess 23:04 < jonathan__> if it's not connected it doesnt matter much does it 23:04 < yashgaroth> it only needs electricity 23:05 < yashgaroth> and functional hepa filters, those are more tricky 23:07 < jonathan__> yes, needs air 23:08 < jonathan__> i'm not worried since everyone in the lab will die from radioactive popcorn due to that microwave lol 23:08 < yashgaroth> well it has a bigass fan, just needs to filter absolutely everything that comes in 23:16 < jonathan__> its not the only bigass in the lab 23:16 < yashgaroth> ho ho 23:16 < jonathan__> tho you weren't there tonight haha 23:17 < jonathan__> anyways not to worry about those demos 23:17 < yashgaroth> oh? 23:17 < jonathan__> cause doubt there will be ?? 23:18 < yashgaroth> well the kombucha may be dead but glorious digital chart recorder lives on 23:18 < jonathan__> yes that's true.. if you can find your equip 23:18 < yashgaroth> they touched my stuff?! 23:18 < jonathan__> count on it 23:19 < yashgaroth> argh fuck 23:19 < jonathan__> oh, I'm sure there was good reason.. ummm 23:19 < jonathan__> for some reason they moved the entire bench with our stuff 23:19 < yashgaroth> everything has been arranged by size, cross-referenced by shade of beige 23:20 < jonathan__> should have just paid sportsman for some lab space eh 23:20 < jonathan__> he's got a nice lab 23:20 < yashgaroth> it's okay 23:20 < yashgaroth> why, is he still selling? 23:21 < jonathan__> havent seen him recently i dunno 23:21 < yashgaroth> yeah he's been on vacay for like a month now 23:21 < jonathan__> he's gonna come back and say: "ummm what the F----" 23:21 < jonathan__> it's nice that they leveled the new benches 23:22 < jonathan__> half over the power outlets lol 23:22 < jonathan__> biologists are weird 23:22 < yashgaroth> lab setup is an arcane art, left only to the highest class of priests 23:23 < yashgaroth> we anger the biology gods with our attempts, it cannot end well 23:23 < jonathan__> dont let me get in the way of your feng shui 23:24 < jonathan__> especially if there's water and electricity in the mix 23:24 < yashgaroth> first priority is to consecrate the pcr shrine, or else good luck doing any dna work 23:25 < yashgaroth> surely the high-concentration alcohols cancel out the interaction between water and electricity 23:25 < jonathan__> by alcohol I wonder if you mean wine and beer 23:26 < yashgaroth> pah that's barely flammable 23:27 < yashgaroth> I do really hope we forget to write a no-drinking clause into the bylaws, because 90% of biology would be made 10x better with a buzz on 23:34 < jonathan__> really 23:34 < jonathan__> kind of what ozzy said about being high while onstage right 23:34 < jonathan__> "it makes the performance better" 23:34 < jonathan__> ummm not for the audience lol 23:34 < yashgaroth> makes it more enjoyable for the performer at least yeah 23:35 < jonathan__> what happened to the idea of reducing genetic damage?? 23:36 < gradstudentbot> The protocol is wrong. 23:37 < yashgaroth> alcohol doesn't damage dna, just...cells in general 23:37 < jonathan__> yea BRAIN cells ummmmmm not a good idea 23:37 < jonathan__> i like my brain Mmmmm brains... 23:38 < yashgaroth> toally worth it mostly 23:41 < jonathan__> shitty drug imho 23:41 < jonathan__> the worst choice of any 23:42 < yashgaroth> almost any 23:42 < jonathan__> hmm lemme see let me take something that has horrible side effects, short lasting, large tolerance, and makes a lot of pee 23:43 < jonathan__> headaches, dizziness, aggressive behavior... hmmm 23:45 < yashgaroth> sure but imagine how boring mardi gras would be otherwise 23:46 < jonathan__> umm not necessary 23:46 < jonathan__> lets see, it overrides inhibition 23:46 < jonathan__> where does inhibition come from 23:46 < jonathan__> oh yea, society training 23:46 < jonathan__> oh yea, religion 23:46 < jonathan__> oh yea, cultural stigma 23:46 < jonathan__> why not kill those instead. 23:47 < yashgaroth> beer is somewhat cheaper 23:47 < jonathan__> ha 23:47 < jonathan__> ok i'll give you that I guess 23:48 < jonathan__> or maybe not 23:49 < jonathan__> it's probably higher in terms of cost, from all the side effects 23:50 < yashgaroth> well we could discuss this for a while but I do need to sleep 23:50 < jonathan__> I dont think tei will be comiong to the lab much anymore 23:50 < jonathan__> seems he is employed or something now 23:50 < yashgaroth> I thought he already was 23:51 -!- randallagordon [~randall@75-164-230-243.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:51 < jonathan__> not really 23:51 < yashgaroth> damn our exploitable unemployeds are drying up fast 23:52 < jonathan__> we can resolve to replace him with a cuter version 23:52 < yashgaroth> if you like 23:53 -!- randallagordon [~randall@71-38-147-37.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:53 < jonathan__> go hit up the nearby high school with talk about bio incubator such and such 23:53 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@66.233.132.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53 < jonathan__> get yourself some groupies 23:53 < jonathan__> ok i'm out 23:54 < yashgaroth> aight see you whenever the next badly timed lab meeting is 23:55 < jonathan__> as a closing note this biocurious "open source automated photobioreactor to grow algae" is biobogus 23:55 < yashgaroth> "BioMONSTAAAR"? yeah sounds like it 23:56 < jonathan__> arduino go go go ! haha 23:56 < jonathan__> mine will be called..... THE ALGINATOR --- Log closed Sat Jun 29 00:00:10 2013