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10:08 <@kanzure> Pestdoktor: hi
10:13 < Pestdoktor> kanzure: hey there^^
10:17 < Pestdoktor> kanzure: just installed an IRC client on my phone and am now looking for some channels to idle in :-)
10:25 <@kanzure> delinquentme: the answer to your query is https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia
10:25 <@kanzure> also, if anyone is feeling bored today, here are some things:
10:26 <@kanzure> pdfparanoia needs a watermark detector (something that takes a pdf and then says whether a watermark is present, based on known publisher-offenders) https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/29
10:26 <@kanzure> pdfparanoia should inject scrubbing history metadata (plus which version of pdfparanoia was used) into scrubbed papers https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/30
10:27 <@kanzure> paperbot should be split into at least two python modules (one that is for phenny, the other that is just a generic paper fetching tool) https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/23
10:27 <@kanzure> paperbot needs doi support, probably https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/22
10:27 <@kanzure> annnd paperbot needs more/actual unit tests https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/4
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10:53 < nmz787_> kanzure: how does one actually work on paperbot ?
10:54 <@kanzure> first you delete everything that doesn't work, then you just do whatever you want
10:54 <@kanzure> second, you write angry comments into this irc channel and then i answer your questions
10:55 <@kanzure> there should be an install script or install instructions, i'm a bad person for not having done that already. i'll make sure to get to that soon.
10:55 <@kanzure> i think paperbot is going to be split into two things
10:55 <@kanzure> one is phenny-paperbot, which will be a module for phenny that uses paperbot
10:56 <@kanzure> the other is paperbot, a python module that will be unrelated to irc
10:56 <@kanzure> both of these will be python eggs installable via pip
10:56 <@kanzure> for now you just have to manually install the dependencies, or you can make it send all zotero requests to the zotero translation-server already running on port whatever on gnusha.org... heh.
10:57 <@kanzure> ok i've added a bug report about no install instructions, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/24
10:57 < ParahSai1in> paperbot doi support should just use sci-hub doi support
10:58 < gradstudentbot> I'm so doing industry.
10:58 <@kanzure> the scihub module has doi support?
10:59 < ParahSai1in> well, in the sense that anything going to dx.doi.org.sci-hub.org supports dois
11:00 <@kanzure> ah great
11:00 < ParahSai1in> i dont have it so that it will just take the doi and make that url
11:00 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1237905
11:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/21dcbce8ae4bc78b90edde5e1d595fd2.txt
11:01 <@kanzure> pffft /shared/img/pages/login/login_hit_hidden.gif?timestamp=2013-07-08T11:00:58.801-07:00
11:01 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0042543
11:01 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Not%20All%20Sequence%20Tags%20Are%20Created%20Equal%3A%20Designing%20and%20Validating%20Sequence%20Identification%20Tags%20Robust%20to%20Indels.pdf
11:02 <@kanzure> yeah but dx.doi.org redirects to the paper
11:02 <@kanzure> so it is possible that this was not because of scihub
11:02 <@kanzure> because gecko follows redirects i think
11:02 <@kanzure> maybe paperbot should be less incomprehensible
11:03 < ParahSai1in> then we can add direct doi support by detecting 10.XXXX/ queries and explicitly route those to sci-hub
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11:04 < ParahSai1in> i still havent managed to confirm that the libgen upload stuff is working
11:05 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/rej.2013.1426
11:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/68437e312173c7ebc476acc1997b7b5c.txt
11:06 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3779341
11:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5d642e6c5f0cd6daa587e939abf95f60.txt
11:06 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-32560-1_8
11:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e62d9d3407a1ff8d3dbd7843b0c3a414.txt
11:06 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305054807000159
11:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Biclustering%20in%20data%20mining.pdf
11:07 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9780470444214.ch67/summary
11:07 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d5b703d8944cd1231724cc18771eb4f9.txt
11:07 < ParahSai1in> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S0032945208030028
11:07 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Two%20new%20species%20of%20swallowerfishes%20of%20the%20genera%20Chiasmodon%20and%20Kali%20%28Chiasmodontidae%29.pdf
11:08 <@kanzure> yeah, the system should be much more transparent
11:08 <@kanzure> i'd like to make an http log for paperbot where i can send all the errors and output from gecko, zotero translation-server, zotero translators, any python gunk, etc.
11:09 < ParahSai1in> i think with a little more work we could get away from the zotero hack
11:10 < gradstudentbot> Who the hell stole my pipette?
11:12 < ParahSai1in> and we should move to libgen as the only public archive
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11:18 < ParahSai1in> unless the zotero translators are really good
11:18 < ParahSai1in> and then maybe the zotero translator pdf result could be plugged into sci-hub
11:18 < ParahSai1in> as a second attempt before spewing .txt garbage
11:26 < nmz787_> Burninate: regarding what fenn said about getting spectra from electron microscope images, it's called Secondary Ion Mass Spec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_ion_mass_spectrometry
11:26 < nmz787_> kanzure: so it sounds like no progress has been made for fixing zotero translator
11:26 <@kanzure> fixing how?
11:29 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: the zotero translators are really good, there's 100s and i don't want to repeat all of their work. by "really good" i mean numerous, their quality isn't that spectacular (especially since their test famework is shit).
11:30 < ParahSai1in> then we need automated translation of js to py
11:31 <@kanzure> pyjamas can do that, but i'd really rather not. those translators are tied into firefox/gecko/zotero.
11:31 <@kanzure> there's lots of people that use zotero and they have incentive to update their translators
11:31 <@kanzure> sooo if we come up with some python->javascript or javascript->python thing, it would be nice if zotero people can still use it
11:31 <@kanzure> but it's not a strict requirement. just a nicety.
11:35 < ParahSai1in> ok
11:35 < ParahSai1in> then we can do better integration between pdf and doi metadata that the translator server gives us and scihub
11:35 <@kanzure> sure
11:36 <@kanzure> at this point i think the options are either javascript (running in gecko or webkit) or we use python with webkitgtk+ (which has gobject bindings into python to give us access to the dom and javascript)
11:36 <@kanzure> because publishers will continue to use wacky methods in the future, including js bullshit
11:37 <@kanzure> so that limits our options to: gecko + slimerjs, gecko + zotero translation-server, phantomjs + javascript crap of our own, python + webkitgtk+, and maybe some python<->js conversion junk
11:37 < ParahSai1in> you know those ones that you have hacked manually because zotero can't do it?
11:37 <@kanzure> i hacked those manually but i should have added them to zotero and i didn't :(
11:37 < ParahSai1in> yeah, exactly
11:37 < ParahSai1in> we're never gonna push this stuff back upstream
11:37 <@kanzure> why not
11:37 <@kanzure> there's hope for me, i promise
11:37 < ParahSai1in> same reason you haven't done it yet
11:38 <@kanzure> yeesh, you have zero faith in me :)
11:38 < ParahSai1in> it is kind of an ugly hack
11:38 < ParahSai1in> despite all the work the zotero people put in
11:38 <@kanzure> download_url is definitely a hack
11:38 <@kanzure> oh, zotero.. yeah.
11:39 <@kanzure> zotero is mostly simonster right now i think
11:39 < ParahSai1in> ugly hack to have a translator server and all that business
11:39 <@kanzure> so, the problem with moving away from zotero is that we're basically proposing to repeat all that work, and then take responsibility for it
11:39 <@kanzure> realistically that means *me* taking responsibility for about 100-200 different translators/scrapers
11:40 < klafka> i thought zotero had like an actual team
11:40 <@kanzure> "team" https://github.com/zotero/translators/contributors
11:40 < ParahSai1in> zotero has 100-200 things in the translators directory, but how many of those are actual journals
11:40 <@kanzure> oh wait that's actually pretty good
11:40 <@kanzure> 6 regular contributors is not bad
11:42 <@kanzure> i agree that we could probably make something easier to maintain
11:42 <@kanzure> their test suite is craaaap.. it was tacked on as an after-thought.
11:42 <@kanzure> /** BEGIN TEST CASES **/ https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/REDALYC.js#L89
11:43 <@kanzure> and crap like "doWeb" wtf is "doWeb" etc..
11:45 < ParahSai1in> i doubt the zotero framework even supports pages that have js
11:46 < ParahSai1in> it seems limited to xpath stuff
11:47 < gradstudentbot> Who used the last of the growth medium?
11:50  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
11:50 < gradstudentbot> You know they keep the mice in better conditoins than us.
11:53 < archels> TYPO
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11:56 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: it definitely supports javascript. it's gecko.
11:56 < archels> kanzure: gradstudentbot is not apparently on github. How may we suggest lines for it?
11:56 < gradstudentbot> My parents keep asking when I'm going to finish.
11:57 < ParahSai1in> i guess if the DOM is generated somewhat dynamically by some js
11:57 <@kanzure> archels: the format is one line per line, either tell me via pm/email/in here, or drop a link, or something
11:58 <@kanzure> archels: also feel free to recommend redactions
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11:59 < archels> well, conditions is spelled wrong
11:59 <@kanzure> i already fixed it, gah
11:59 < archels> "Do I use a one or two sided t-test for that?"
12:00 < archels> I'm not really good at this sort of thing though
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12:03 <@fenn> nmz787_: SIMS is only used in FIB (hence the "secondary ion" part) see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_Microscope#Color
12:03 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: oh you mean, the translators themselves only do xpath things? no i think they can all other js functions.
12:04 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: if they can't call other js functions then yeah i agree it's time to trash it
12:05 < ParahSai1in> "Each value can be either a string, in which case it is always the same, a function, or a chained series of filters. This last form is most common. In the above example we can see, for instance, the creators filter. It starts with an XPath expression."
12:05 <@kanzure> it's a shame that they focus so much on xpaths
12:05 <@kanzure> it should be functios
12:05 <@kanzure> *functions
12:06 <@kanzure> it's javascript.. functions are supposed to be first-class citizens.
12:06 < ParahSai1in> i suppose it could disregard the xpath and do a function
12:07 <@kanzure> part of the problem with python + webkitgtk+ is that users would have to compile webkitgtk+.. or there would have to be a recent release of it (most package repos don't have a monthly release of webkit)
12:07 <@kanzure> and then people inside of a browser can't use the translator (which i think maybe is important??)
12:07 < ParahSai1in> well, obviously it uses a chained computation for the translator fields, so it's first class function-aware
12:08 < ParahSai1in> FW.Xpath() is a continuation monad of some sort
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12:10 < ParahSai1in> https://github.com/simonster/zotero-transfw/blob/master/framework.js
12:11 < ParahSai1in> you can evaluate arbitrary functions inside this monad
12:11 <@kanzure> what is transfw
12:11 < ParahSai1in> dunno, i just googled for the first thing i could find that defines the Xpath function
12:13 < ParahSai1in> this is actually a pretty clever way to define monadic computations in js
12:14 < ParahSai1in> oh, no, it doesnt actually work that way
12:14 < ParahSai1in> it only evaluates a series of filters that apply to the xpath object
12:15 <@kanzure> ugh
12:16 < ParahSai1in> i dont see any evidence that you can define arbitrary js that is aware of the entire DOM within this Xpath() computation
12:16 <@kanzure> uhh.. then wtf is the point of any of it.
12:19 < ParahSai1in> hm, i bet it could be rewritten as the continuation monad that i described
12:19 <@kanzure> yeah, but then you would have to test all of their current translators for compatibility or something
12:19 < ParahSai1in> nothx
12:19 <@kanzure> i don't think that gecko is a dependency worth having
12:19 <@kanzure> or rather, i don't think the zotero plugin is a good dependency to have ;)
12:19 <@kanzure> gecko is a possibly okay dependency, especially because of http://slimerjs.org/ or the xpcom/python gecko bindings (ask bkero)
12:20 < ParahSai1in> i have a bit of a bias towards finding a reason to drop it-- it may indeed support arbitrary js for the FW.scraper stuff
12:20 <@kanzure> simonster actually had trouble porting zotero into zotero/translation-server .. if you look, it doesn't even support iframes :) not all translators work
12:20 <@kanzure> FW?
12:21 < ParahSai1in> FW. is what framework.js is imported as in other stuff
12:21 < ParahSai1in> FW.scraper is how all the translators are described
12:22 < archels> Program on Sept 28, 2013:
12:22 < archels> “Science Speed Dating” by participating PhD students
12:22 < archels> wat
12:27 < nmz787_> fenn: ahh, similar general idea though, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_spectroscopy
12:28 < nmz787_> i guess that was what I was really thinking, though i did know of SIMS through FIB
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13:25 <@kanzure> does anyone have 3-4 btc they would be willing to sell to a Noble Cause?
13:30 <@kanzure> haha 12
13:30 <@kanzure> fdjkalfjadkfjakldfjalda fucking irssi
14:02 < ThomasEgi> does that noble cause involve filling my fridge with beer?
14:03 < gradstudentbot> Sure, I'd love to switch into colorectal.
14:04 < bkero> I have some bitcoins I could sell for market rate to a Noble Cause. ;)
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14:10 <@kanzure> bkero: yeah? how do you want to do this?
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14:14 < bkero> kanzure: I have my wallet stored on my desktop at home, so let's see what bitcoincharts says when I get home and can transfer them to you, then you can paypal that to me?
14:14 < bkero> or google wallet or amazon payments
14:15 <@kanzure> yeah, has to be pp in this case
14:16 <@kanzure> thank you
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14:26 < bkero> np
14:26 < bkero> I'll ping you when I'm home and have the desktop all bootered up
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14:58 < ParahSai1in> kanzure: ah looks like zotero has freeform translators as well
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15:07 < robit> ima robit.
15:08 < ParahSai1in> 16:59 < fejj> I think my testimony in Apple vs Samsung totally destroyed Apple's patent last week
15:08 < ParahSai1in> 16:59 < fejj> you could see it in the faces of the lawyers examining/cross examining me
15:08 < ParahSai1in> 17:01 < fejj> DMXRoid, so Apple's patent was basically: use at least 2 threads in an app so the UI can be handled in 1 thread and
15:08 < ParahSai1in>               data sync in another thread, so as to avoid blocking/hanging the UI
15:09 <@kanzure> robit: hello
15:10 < ryankarason> (defun say-hello () "hello")
15:10 < robit> SAY-HELLO
15:10 < ryankarason> (say-hello)
15:10 < robit> "hello"
15:10 < ryankarason> sorry for bringing around. just wanted to test a change in multiple channel support.
15:10 <@kanzure> pff let's not have random bots in here just for the hell of it
15:11 < ryankarason> well, it isn't quite just for the hell of it
15:11 < ryankarason> in the future i plan to mute its function in this channel
15:11 < ryankarason> and just use it for the logging it does
15:11 <@kanzure> do you have something against http://gnusha.org/logs/
15:11 < ryankarason> no, do you have logs there?
15:12 < ryankarason> just i find that some channels i go to don't have logs. so i made a bot to log all the channels i use.
15:12 <@kanzure> see /topic
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15:12 < ryankarason> there is much in topic never noticed the logs
15:12 < ryankarason> and so happy to see you all use
15:12 < ryankarason> date -I format :)
15:13 < ryankarason> now i can use my fancy shell script to pull logs
15:13 <@kanzure> iso 8602 is your master
15:13 < ryankarason> i need to create a custom syntax highlighting file for you logs though
15:13 < ryankarason> i wrote a bash script to curl a websites logs, based on using date to figure out which log. and then load into vim with syntax highlighting
15:14 < ryankarason> so "read-log -a 3" will pull the log from 3 days Ago
15:14 < ryankarason> or you can
15:14 < ryankarason> read-log -d 2013/07/03
15:15 < ryankarason> errr
15:15 < ryankarason> read-log -d 2013-07-03
15:15 < ParahSai1in> (defun hodor () (cons "hodor (hodor)))
15:15 < robit> NIL
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15:15 < ParahSai1in> (hodor)
15:16 <@kanzure> gg
15:17 < ParahSai1in> hodor
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15:24 < ryankarason> awh sorry ParahSai1in
15:25 < ryankarason> but also, it returned NIL because you forgot to finish your ""
15:25 < ParahSai1in> yeah just noticed that
15:25 < ryankarason> good thing, you trying to stack overflow it
15:25 < ryankarason> and all
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17:07 <@kanzure> counter culture labs members https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dG9ITU83aFZlQ2NEVUZjUFZpckxQUnc&usp=sharing
17:07 <@kanzure> eww why did they make the name plural?
17:07 <@kanzure> is there a good reason to call it labs?
17:08 <@kanzure> because then you have to say 'labs members' which is definitely wrong
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17:27 < brownies> yeah, but if you're a hip cutting-edge tech company you have to pluralize "Lab"
17:27 < brownies> "Google Labs" not "Google Lab"
17:27 <@kanzure> true
17:28 <@kanzure> they aren't really a company though.. i mean their business model is junk ("charge membership fees, then pray").
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17:35 <@kanzure> it seems like it might be useful if someone came up with an actually useful business model for those hackerspaces
17:35 <@kanzure> like, even consulting would be better than membership fees
17:37 < brownies> there exists a viable business model
17:38 < brownies> plenty of coworking spaces / shared office-space-providers / etc are doing very well in the current economy
17:39 <@kanzure> biocurious only has 30 members
17:39 < brownies> aren't they the ones who are about to go bankrupt?
17:39 <@kanzure> and it's the largest community biology-related hackerspace
17:39 <@kanzure> they are about to go bankrupt if they don't get more members, yes
17:39 < gradstudentbot> Is there free food at that seminar?
17:40 < brownies> and weren't you telling me how way more than 30 people regularly use the space?
17:40 <@kanzure> they can't afford free food
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17:40 <@kanzure> i dunno if i was the one telling you that, but they did mention something about lots of non-members using the space
17:40 < brownies> so "members" clearly just means "people they mumbled at long enough to get a credit card number from" ... it's not actually any meaningful measure of the market size
17:40 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: hey i'm really confused, what did we decide about zotero and what scrapers to write? i think it's going to take 5-6 hours of effort to rewrite all of the translators correctly.
17:41 < brownies> they should just start charging for "day passes"
17:41 < brownies> "spending the day here? that'll be $20. there's all the coffee you can drink and you can use the space all day."
17:42 <@kanzure> huh, i searched my email archive and they have never mentioned day passes wtf
17:43 <@kanzure> okay i have asked them
17:43 <@kanzure> i still don't like the idea of membership fees. why not just do projects and get paid huge gobs of money, then do more projects?
17:47 < brownies> "projects" ?
17:47 <@kanzure> sure, like as a contract research-organization (it's how the biotech industry is structured)
17:47 < brownies> ah. yes that would be nice.
17:48 < brownies> but if they're not coordinated enough to charge money to people, they're probably not coordinated enough to do contract research...
17:48 < brownies> Noisebridge seems to be staying afloat; what's their secret?
17:48 <@kanzure> they probably survive off of the guilt of engineers that used to do electronics but now do too much software
17:50 <@kanzure> damn it i don't really want to make a rewrite of zotero
17:53 < Burninate> you could upgrade from 'hackerspace'
17:53 < Burninate> to 'co-working space'
17:54 < Burninate> add a semiprivate work area and a locker and charge monthly
17:55 < Burninate> apparently a desk on that model runs $200/month by MIT
17:55 <@kanzure> biologists are poor
17:55 <@kanzure> they get paid minimum wage
17:55 < Burninate> http://p.irateship.com/
17:56 <@kanzure> sure, there's also bosslab in somerville
17:56 <@kanzure> let's not play hackerspace geographical bingo on irc, that's a no-win scenario for both parties
17:57 < Burninate> just an example, not a suggestion :)
17:57 <@kanzure> are you in somerville?
17:57 < Burninate> nowhere near, just had a friend use that space
17:57 <@kanzure> where are oyu?
17:57 <@kanzure> you*
17:58 < Burninate> Actually...
17:58 < Burninate> I suspect I'm pretty centrally located as far as bioscience, if I had anything to do with the field personally
17:58 < Burninate> Montgomery County, MD
17:58 <@kanzure> san diego?
17:58 <@kanzure> oh
17:58 <@kanzure> then you are close to buggs?
17:58 < Burninate> ?
17:59 < Burninate> I'm right near the new FDA complex
17:59 < Burninate> near NIH
17:59 <@kanzure> baltimore underground science space (bugss)
17:59 < Burninate> near Johns Hopkins Shady Grover and the genomics cluster
17:59 < Burninate> *Grove
18:00 < Burninate> nah, I don't really go for hackerspaces as of yet
18:00 < bkero> Go for hackerspaces.
18:01 < Burninate> I'm in illness-postcollege-preemployment limbo with no money for physical projects at the moment
18:02 <@kanzure> Burninate: what did you study?
18:03 < Burninate> GIS & Remote Sensing
18:04 < Burninate> if I had any cash I'd have a UAV aerial photography business to prepare for future legalizing legislation, and that might actually benefit from that sort of thing
18:04 < Burninate> but alas...
18:04 < Burninate> gonna have to get a real job first
18:05 <@kanzure> you could easily bootstrap that business by making it into something that people chip in money for
18:05 <@kanzure> e.g. you could have a local project and get people to chip in money to have their house imaged or whatever
18:05 <@kanzure> as a silly novelty
18:05 <@kanzure> bkero: you ready?
18:06 <@kanzure> bkero: ah nevermind, the other person isn't here at the moment
18:06 < Burninate> can't bootstrap if it's not legal
18:06 <@kanzure> nonsense..
18:06 <@kanzure> btw if you have customers willing to pay for aerial photography, run the numbers by me
18:07 < Burninate> I do not.
18:07 <@kanzure> you should go get some :)
18:07 < brownies> kanzure: why would he run numbers by you for that?
18:07 <@kanzure> because he wants money
18:07 <@kanzure> and if it's an actually profitable business, why not?
18:07 < Burninate> 0.o
18:07 <@kanzure> it's not an extremely technically challenging project
18:08 <@kanzure> and if it pays the premiums that other photography services do, then it is probably worth taking 30 seconds to consider
18:08 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, but his PI wrote his dissertation.
18:08 <@kanzure> jeesh "I have my BS in biology and have yet to find a job two years out of school so I would have time, but not money to donate to the cause.  I created, organized, and ran a biology club that is still going now at my college, so I do have some experience running things.  I also worked doing Prep TA for the Biology 101 labs, so I know how to handle supplies and all of that.  I'm pretty far out of the city in the Barrington area.  But let me ...
18:08 <@kanzure> ... know if you'd like some help."
18:09 < Burninate> "Earlier this month, NBC reported aerial photographer Mark Bateson pointing out that many hobbyists can get away with UAV photography or videography under remote-control guidelines.
18:09 < Burninate> “But as soon as you turn it into a business … the FAA says you are violating the national airspace,” Bateson said."
18:10 <@kanzure> yeah, many companies start out by violating crap, and then they fix it
18:10 < Burninate> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/15/faa-halts-mans-drone-photography-business-over-regulations/
18:10 < Burninate> There is an understood market in real estate photos
18:10 < Burninate> and a poorly understood one in new applications for things like agriculture
18:11 <@kanzure> do they do aerial yield estimation?
18:11 < Burninate> some of the most impressive work I've seen was a commercial tourism campus - a ski resort
18:11 <@kanzure> crop yield i mean
18:11 < Burninate> They don't, for the most part.  But they could.
18:11 <@kanzure> what do they do instead?
18:13 < Burninate> I had some contacts in school testing fertilizer usage vs NPP vs water quality using a terrestrial photospectrometer
18:13 < Burninate> But I expect mostly they use a ruler :)
18:14 <@kanzure> i wonder if you could have a fix on agriculture trading by trading based on aerial photos for different commodity crops
18:15 < Burninate> On a large market scale, you can do that with some of the lower-resolution, lower-revisit-time satellite photos now I believe
18:15 < Burninate> there's probably a finance company doing precisely that
18:17 <@kanzure> stealth finance drone :3
18:17 <@kanzure> (ok doesn't have to be actually stealth or a drone. it could be a balloon.)
18:18 < Burninate> Balloon and kite aerial photography probably represent the best bootstrapping opportunities
18:18 < Burninate> and for real estate, a camera on a very long pole can do surprisingly well
18:26 < Burninate> Congress has been dragging its feet for years now though
18:26 < Burninate> so idunno how long exactly I'd have to wait
18:26 < Burninate> *Congress and the FAA
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18:37 < Burninate> two years and three months is the *official* deadline for the FAA to come up with a plan
18:37 < Burninate> but it's blown such things before
18:50 <@kanzure> maybe i should switch to typing on http://revolutiongrand.com/ProductdetailsV1.aspx?ID=15
18:51 <@kanzure> or rather, http://revolutiongrand.com/ProductdetailsV1.aspx?ID=13
18:51 < bkero> kanzure: lemme know when :)
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18:56 <@kanzure> bkero: gonna be a while, sorry.. how much can you sell btw?
18:56 < bkero> kanzure: I think I have ~11 coins
18:57 <@kanzure> cool
18:57 <@kanzure> yeah the other person is on the wrong side of the planet
18:58 < bkero> I'm on all sides of the planet.
18:58 < bkero> So whenever
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19:19 <@kanzure> brownies: the only mention of 'day passes' is from some old diybio-sf emails when they got into a complication with techshop.. techshop was the one demanding they purchase day passes :)
19:31 < ParaSa1lin> kanzure, what is an example response from translation server
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19:36 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: response = requests.post("http://gnusha.org:1969/web", data=json.dumps({"url": "http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v5/n10/full/nnano.2010.193.html", "sessioni
19:37 <@kanzure> d": "what"}), headers={"Content-Type": "application/json"})
19:37 <@kanzure> errg
19:37 <@kanzure> import requests; import json; response = requests.post("http://gnusha.org:1969/web", data=json.dumps({"url": "http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v5/n10/full/nnano.2010.193.html", "sessionid": "what"}), headers={"Content-Type": "application/json"}); print response.content
19:39 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: i'm confused, am i supposed to be rewriting zotero translators right now?
19:40 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: i mean, that's going to end up being a bunch of work
19:41 < ParaSa1lin> im just gonna make some stuff to fetch pdf urls that translation server returns but the bot's network can't download
19:41 < ParaSa1lin> and upload to libgen based on the doi in the metadata
19:41 < ParaSa1lin> actually ill check if its on libgen first based on zotero translator doi
19:41 <@kanzure> but that's what paperbot is already doing.. it should pass on the pdf url to download_url
19:42 <@kanzure> the pdf url is returned by zotero translation-server
19:42 <@kanzure> oh maybe you didn't pass that url into scihubber
19:42 < ParaSa1lin> oh was it? derp
19:42 <@kanzure> well.. take a look at the json output from response.content in that example.
19:42 < ParaSa1lin> no, i was taking "line" into scihubber
19:43 < ParaSa1lin> confusingly i called mine pdfurl, and your pdf_url is what zotero yields
19:43 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/zotero-translator-server.output.json
19:50 < brownies> kanzure: and naturally techshop is still in business.
19:50 <@kanzure> yes, but not something i participate in
19:50 <@kanzure> that shit's expensive just for a saw and a table
19:51 < brownies> well, you're also paying for the building, and the utilities, and the "ambience"
19:52 <@kanzure> mm yeah ambience fuck yeah
19:53 < brownies> i'm sure that's basically the marketing pitch.
19:53 <@kanzure> their marketing pitch is "american innovation blah blah blah"
19:54 <@kanzure> "TechShop is a vibrant, creative community that provides access to tools, software and space. "
19:54 <@kanzure> oh geeze, vibrant
19:55 <@kanzure> they are only at 6 locations? i thought they had more.
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20:27 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: hi
20:27 < yashgaroth> must say I greatly enjoyed < gradstudentbot> Sure, I'd love to switch into colorectal.
20:27 < gradstudentbot> Actually, I didn't do that part, it was already here when I joined the lab.
20:28 < jrayhawk> http://ebm.sagepub.com/content/232/10/1266.full huh, eggs are much less of a lifesaver for vegetarians than i thought
20:28 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: you should play with webkitgtk+ if you want to see what that would be like. there are python bindings. just do "from gi.repository import WebKit" i think. i recently compiled new bindings for recent webkit (as of a few weeks ago).
20:28 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://ebm.sagepub.com/content/232/10/1266.full
20:29 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Vitamin%20B12%20Sources%20and%20Bioavailability.pdf
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20:45 < ParaSa1lin> kanzure, pull request (at this point i basically have no ability to test changes, so it could be completely broken)
20:45 <@kanzure> if i pull now and there are bugs, could you fix things, or would it wait until tomorrow?
20:46 < ParaSa1lin> id fix tonight
20:46 <@kanzure> wtf are you using urllib for :P
20:46 <@kanzure> ParaSa1lin: pm
20:46 < ParaSa1lin> what would you use to turn "/" into "%2F"
20:47 <@kanzure> requests.utils.something
20:47 <@kanzure> but please check the pm
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20:47 < ParaSa1lin> hm pm to this one, not the other one
20:48 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=a9e4e0ce U-ACORNSYS\pwang: More control logic
20:48 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=8e1d4331 U-ACORNSYS\pwang: Redundancy
20:48 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=5a4ffd20 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #25 from rcallahan/master
20:48 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
20:49 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot: reload scihub
20:51 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=7ebf01ca Bryan Bishop: fix syntax error
20:51 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
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20:54 <@kanzure> okay nevermind.. test away.
20:55 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v5/n10/full/nnano.2010.193.html
20:55 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnnano.2010.193
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21:01 <@kanzure> ParaSa1lin: why is that pointing to libgen now?
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21:02 < ParaSa1lin> i think better to use libgen for public urls?
21:02 < ParaSa1lin> so then you dont get takedown messages from copyright trolls
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21:20 < jonathan_> tito has a blog post about getting papers, did you see
21:20 < jonathan_> using reddit as a request/share medium
21:21 < jonathan_> http://titojankowski.com/free-journal-articles/
21:21 < paperbot> NameError: global name 'pdfurl' is not defined (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download)
21:24 <@kanzure> jonathan_: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/article
21:24 <@kanzure> oops
21:24 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/articles
21:24 < paperbot> NameError: global name 'pdfurl' is not defined (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download)
21:24 <@kanzure> jonathan_: i really doubt tito has this level of thoroughness
21:24 <@kanzure> also i think ybit has the most experience using r/scholar since he requested like 50 papers at once
21:24 <@kanzure> and out of that entire fucking subreddit i was the only one to deliver the majority of his request -_-
21:25 < jonathan_> :-(
21:25 < jonathan_> poor tito
21:25 <@kanzure> tito even knows about my list of other options
21:25 <@kanzure> i fucking emailed it to him!
21:25 <@kanzure> what an asshole
21:25 < jonathan_> using reddit is quite a bit of publicity tho aint it
21:26 <@kanzure> reddit.com/r/scholar has been around for a long time before tito
21:26 <@kanzure> didn't know about the deepdyve 5 minute rental, but it is broken because they only transmit pngs of each page
21:26 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: can you bugfix the bug?
21:26 <@kanzure> ParaSa1lin: i mean you
21:29 <@kanzure> jonathan_: did you look at http://diyhpl.us/wiki/articles though?
21:30 < jonathan_> just did ya
21:30 <@kanzure> i find http://expaper.cn/ to be an interesting option
21:30 <@kanzure> the downside is that you have to learn chinese
21:30 <@kanzure> oh wait that's the upside
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21:30 <@kanzure> delinquentme: you want pdfparanoia, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia
21:30 < jonathan_> learning chinese is impossible even for the chinese
21:31 < delinquentme> chemistry paper which made a stir about 6 months ago using 3d printing to organize different chemistry vessle designs?
21:31 <@kanzure> jonathan_: yeah, online they just copy/paste the same phrases
21:31 <@kanzure> delinquentme: was it jordan's work?
21:31 < delinquentme> yeah! thanks kanzure I got the email ... is that just meta data? Or would it grab data which is say ... present on the page
21:31 < delinquentme> kanzure, nah it wasn't vasculiture
21:31 <@kanzure> delinquentme: it removes the text watermarks
21:31 <@kanzure> delinquentme: like ip addresses, names, institution names, etc.
21:32 < delinquentme> vassles as in ... the container which you'd run reactions in
21:32 < delinquentme> check! kanzure
21:33 < delinquentme> sudo python setup.py install  << seems incomplete
21:34 < gradstudentbot> Future work will focus on that.
21:34 < delinquentme> error: https://gist.github.com/delinquentme/bcf4e229c593fe395a2d
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21:35 <@kanzure> darn, i thought that was fixed
21:36 < delinquentme> is it hard to get something approved for install via pip?
21:36 <@kanzure> no, i just have to fix the bug
21:36 < delinquentme> ( or is there even an approval process ? )
21:36 <@kanzure> if you can fix it, i will push it
21:36 <@kanzure> but i'm about to sleep
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21:37 < delinquentme> Successfully installed pdfparanoia
21:37 <@kanzure> you have to install pdfminer
21:37 <@kanzure> but setup.py has it in install_requires
21:37 < delinquentme> kk
21:38 <@kanzure> if you fix it let me know and submit a pull request
21:38 <@kanzure> or open a bug report
21:38 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues
21:38 < paperbot> NameError: global name 'pdfurl' is not defined (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download)
21:38 < delinquentme> no mas hardcore forking action =[
21:39 < delinquentme> kanzure, yeah Ill do a pull request
21:39 < gradstudentbot> I could never be a PI.
21:54 < ParaSa1lin> sorry im back
21:58 < ParaSa1lin> pull request
22:00 < ParaSa1lin> i guess i shouldnt attempt any patches when wife is home, because constant harassment isn't good for my focus
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22:45 < delinquentme> kanzure, a test document would be awesome
22:45 < delinquentme> turns out you're writing individual classes per document type ... I have a ruby programming guide which I wanted to clean :D  not ... say a ieee paper :D
22:53 < ParaSa1lin> ?
23:11 < heath> anyone up?
23:12 < heath> this starts streaming in ~1h 45m
23:12 < heath> http://sb6.biobricks.org/
23:12 < paperbot> NameError: global name 'pdfurl' is not defined (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download)
23:13 < heath> just wondering if anyone has the capability to record it
23:13 < heath> s/just//
23:32 <@kanzure> just give the url for the real thing if you want someone to record it
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23:43 <@kanzure> delinquentme: merged https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/pull/31
23:43 <@kanzure> delinquentme: also it's up on pypi now https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pdfparanoia/0.0.14
23:44 < delinquentme> kanzure, did you check the functionality?
23:45 <@kanzure> "It would also be helpful to have a test PDF within the package to verify functionality."
23:45 <@kanzure> there are unit tests yo
23:45 < delinquentme> ohhhh
23:45 <@kanzure> "make tests"
23:45 < gradstudentbot> Is there free food at that seminar?
23:46 <@kanzure> all of the tests are failing
23:46 <@kanzure> oh wait that was my fault
23:47 <@kanzure> i forgot to install nosetest. so of course the "test" target was failing.
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23:48 < delinquentme> check!
23:48 < gradstudentbot> I just want a 9 to 5 job.
23:48 < delinquentme> im out though .. sleeps!
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23:49 <@kanzure> i pushed some more pdfparanoia junk in case anyone cares
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23:52 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=327b39c0 U-ACORNSYS\pwang: s/pdfurl/shurl/g
23:52 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=f69583d4 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #26 from rcallahan/master
23:52 < paperbot> NameError: global name 'pdfurl' is not defined (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download)
23:52 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers
23:52 < paperbot> ...
23:52 < paperbot> gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2013-07-09 06:52:44)
23:53 <@kanzure> hmm why did paperbot send "..."?
23:54 <@kanzure> that sequence isn't even in the source code
23:57 < heath> http://new.livestream.com/accounts/4259870/events/2237387
23:57 < paperbot> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'shurl' referenced before assignment (file "/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py", line 157, in download)
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