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07:32 <@kanzure> beep boop you're all boring
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07:34 < gradstudentbot> Haha, undergrads.
07:35 < eleitl> Busy.
07:36 < eleitl> having to spook-proofing your systems sucks
07:36 <@kanzure> spook spoofing?
07:37 < eleitl> spook-proofing
07:37 < eleitl> for very small values thereof
07:38 < eleitl> NSA red team will kick my ass to the moon
07:39 < eleitl> I seem to be not using dovecot?
07:39 < eleitl> wtf am I using for IMAP?
07:39 <@kanzure> squirrel! the bane of everyone's existence.
07:40 < eleitl> ah, courier
07:40 <@kanzure> sendmail
07:40 <@kanzure> oh
07:40 < eleitl> I forgot all about setting it up
07:40 <@kanzure> maybe the NSA version of yourself did it
07:42 < eleitl> I'm trying to use my own mail server while on the road
07:42 < eleitl> from Android, to boot
07:42 <@kanzure> i was looking into running virtual servers on android the other day
07:42 <@kanzure> it turns out the nexus4 chip is capable of running kvm
07:43 <@kanzure> but nobody has compiled an android kernel with the linux-arm-kvm branch
07:43 <@kanzure> in the mean time i recommend a chroot
07:43 <@kanzure> i've used lildebi in the past for a debian chroot on android but i'm sure there's a better way to do it
07:44 < eleitl> when I have a spare life, I will look into that
07:45 <@kanzure> now excuse me while i puke some text up...
07:45 <@kanzure> "Sorry for being late myself with following up to our kick-off meeting and your questions. I merged both of your e-mails because with respect to the idea of using FPGAs as the hardware substrate my answer may address them equally. FPGAs can be configured/programmed to become almost any (foremost) digital electrical circuitry you want, be it a simple counter or a microprocessor. You can furthermore place several circuits on one FPGA. And these ...
07:45 <@kanzure> ... easily reconfigurable circuits can be operated in parallel. Furthermore, most FPGAs have a high count of I/O pins (up to 1200 in most recent models like Xilinx Virtex 7), that can be addressed in parallel. That makes them attractive for emulating parallelly operating systems like nervous systems."
07:45 <@kanzure> "One of our hypotheses is that proper nervous system function is highly dependent on the precise timing of events, which is difficult to realize with computer simulations or serial chip-to-chip communication schemes. So the idea is as follows: An entire FPGA chip will represent a single neuron (neuron ‘n’) and will carry a circuit that represents the response model of a neuron (e.g., integrate and fire in the simplest case). Each I/O pin ...
07:45 <@kanzure> ... on the FPGA will be a particular synaptic input or gap junction that some other “sending” FPGA neuron ‘m’ (!=’n’) connects to. So the number of required I/O pins equals the number of receiving synaptic connections that this FPGA ‘n’ is involved in."
07:45 <@kanzure> "A separate I/O pin will represent its axonal output. Every time one of the synaptic inputs goes high, the response model will process it. In the worst case, all synaptic inputs go high simultaneously. For an FPGA it is not a problem to process them simultaneously; for any other type of microprocessor based on a  serial data processing architecture (like the Arduino or the Raspberry Pi that you mentioned) it is, though. As soon as the ...
07:46 <@kanzure> ... neuronal model circuit generates an output (e.g. because a threshold has been surpassed in the firing model), the FPGA will send a digital action potential out of its single “axonal” I/O output line, which will be distributed in parallel/simultaneously onto the respective synaptic I/O pins of those neurons with which this FPGA neuron ‘n’ forms synaptic connections, e.g. via a split-wire cable (one-to-many). And so on."
07:46 <@kanzure> "So as extreme as it may sound to dedicate one FPGA for the operation of a single neuron, there is currently no alternative that we know of and that would allow us to a) realize a truly parallelly operating interconnection scheme (to ensure that arrival times of action potentials at their synaptic targets can be precisely timed) and b) to leave sufficient space for implementing intricately complex neural response models. While speed may be a ...
07:46 <@kanzure> ... welcome advantage, it was not a reason for choosing a hardware-based neural network emulation or FPGAs in particular. Real-time, super-real-time or sub-real-time operation will not be of concern as long as the timing of relative events will not be distorted. Unfortunately, FPGAs are still very expensive (and difficult to deal with); this is why we needed to apply for an EU grant to come up with the money and expertise that will hopefully ...
07:46 < eleitl> is that from the Si elegans guys?
07:46 <@kanzure> ... enable us to face the challenge."
07:46 <@kanzure> yes it is
07:46 <@kanzure> these ones: http://www.si-elegans.eu/
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07:46 < eleitl> Yes, I know about them.
07:47 < eleitl> Bogus reasons.
07:47 <@kanzure> i'm curious if i should be paying them a lot of attention
07:47 <@kanzure> openworm seems more in-the-game
07:47 < eleitl> The only valid reason is performance.
07:47 < eleitl> But it is very expensive performance.
07:48 < eleitl> The timing info is certainly preserved in a simulation much better than an emulation in hardware.
07:48 < eleitl> Where all kinds of dirt effects come into play.
07:48 < eleitl> If you want to make cognition from scratch, that's not a problem.
07:48 < eleitl> But if you want to simulate something correctly, it definitely is a big handicap.
07:48 < eleitl> Less flexibility, much higher pricing.
07:49 <@kanzure> yeah, timing does seem a little hard. the actual human brain doesn't care about timing that much, whereas as a researcher i assume you want to be able to interrogate the entire system's timing..
07:49 <@kanzure> e.g. my front neurons don't care about the timing of my posterior neurons.
07:50 < eleitl> the timing is important if it's a time-based code, but it is much more easily inspectable by looking at your system trajectory
07:53 < eleitl> computers suck
07:53 < eleitl> why can't the NSA configure my goddamn server themselves?
07:54 < eleitl> and where are their backups when I need it?
07:54 <@kanzure> "hello, we logged in and found that you suck at sysadmin tasks, so we did it for you. please don't forget to leave a tip in the form of a bitcoin wallet."
07:54 < eleitl> exactly
07:54 < eleitl> piss-poor service
07:54 < eleitl> NSA, I am disappoint
07:54 < eleitl> no tip for you
07:58 <@kanzure> ParahSai1in: how about we just go down the list of http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugShortages/ucm050792.htm
07:59 <@kanzure> .title
07:59 < yoleaux> Current Drug Shortages Index
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08:01 < eleitl> why do you want to track shortages?
08:04 < eleitl> kanzure, how would you make postfix accept relay from roadwarriors?
08:05 < eleitl> I have courier, not dovecot
08:05 <@kanzure> jrayhawk_: that seems like a question you could help with
08:06 <@kanzure> eleitl: regarding shortages.. i'm trying to get ParahSai1in to manufacture something to sell over btc. like antibodies for rare blood diseases. something "expensive".
08:06 < eleitl> oh, a silk road for legal drugs
08:06 <@kanzure> for medicine
08:06 < eleitl> as long as it's medical-grade, why not
08:06 <@kanzure> sure.
08:07 <@kanzure> also there are many diseases that cost $10,000/mo or more for drugs
08:07 < eleitl> you can probably outsource the actual production somewhere
08:07 <@kanzure> probably.
08:07 < eleitl> basically, arrrrr
08:07 <@kanzure> and it's prolly lucrative. not that many black sci teams doing it, i bet.
08:07 < gradstudentbot> Hey, does anyone have an extra undergrad?
08:08 < eleitl> I think it would work out financially
08:09 <@kanzure> and you might save some lives or something.
08:09 <@kanzure> which is unusual.
08:09 < eleitl> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated should work...
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08:09 <@kanzure> do you really want an open relay ?
08:11 < eleitl> not open, authenticated
08:12 < eleitl> hmm, don't see auth plain login
08:14 < eleitl> http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/smtp_auth_mailclients.html <-- trying to get this to work
08:17 < eleitl> ah, a mistake I made
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08:21 < eleitl> still no workey
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08:29 < eleitl> 250-AUTH DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 NTLM LOGIN PLAIN
08:29 < eleitl> should do, but doesn't
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08:40 < eleitl> 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure
08:40 < eleitl> a-ha
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08:44 < jonathan_> totall false presumption: "nervous system function is highly dependent on the precise timing of events, which is difficult to realize with computer simulations"
08:45 < Burnin8> paperbot: http://www.academia.edu/1330736/Conventional_Models_of_Time_and_their_Extensions_in_Science_Fiction
08:45 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/77e98345598b982e4d235dc998dfd331.txt
08:45 < jonathan_> any solid RTOS will do perfectly fine at timing precise events
08:46 < jonathan_> total false presumption #n:  "FPGAs are still very expensive (and difficult to deal with);" ....
08:46 < jonathan_> duh why not just write the entire simulation in an fpga sdk, no hardware needed duh
08:47 < eleitl> yeah, these are bogus reasons
08:47 <@kanzure> as far as i can tell there are a handful of cheap fpgas available
08:48 < eleitl> he's blowing massive smoke up your ass
08:48 <@kanzure> anyway, rtos isn't going to help you because you still don't know what actual timing to make up
08:48 < jonathan_> "please give us money to REINVENT THE WHEEL again and again"
08:48 < eleitl> you don't need rtos, just a numerical simulation with internal time steps
08:48 < jonathan_> timing = sample rate
08:49 < jonathan_> set it to whatever  you want
08:49 < eleitl> e.g. MD works with fs time steps
08:49 < eleitl> no reason why you can't work with us in neural circuits
08:49 < jonathan_> total false presumption bunch of b.s.: " In the worst case, all synaptic inputs go high simultaneously. For an FPGA it is not a problem to process them simultaneously; for any other type of microprocessor based on a  serial data processing architecture (like the Arduino or the Raspberry Pi that you mentioned) it is, though."
08:49 < jonathan_> .... where do these people come from ....
08:49 <@kanzure> academics.
08:49 < eleitl> yes, the guy is pretty hazy about these computer things
08:50 < jonathan_> oh, it's hard to make memory go to all-1 at once?   not..   wth
08:50 <@kanzure> jonathan_: this was forwarded to the openworm mailing list, http://openworm.org/ they were considering a collaboration with the si-elegans.eu people (who wrote that text you're looking at)
08:53 < jonathan_> well if they want to collaborate with a bunch of dorks that's their choice.   "oh lets just use raspberry pi which is a lame platform and then let's complain about how it can't do what we need to do"
08:53 < jonathan_> "oh obviously we need an fpga"  .. what
08:53 < eleitl> yes, you're repeating my frustrations
08:54 < jonathan_> "what we need are more complex words in our proposal so people think we are smart. Oh I heard about this FPGA thing that sounds complex right, lets talk about that"
08:54 < eleitl> FPGA = moar money
08:54 < jonathan_> "i hear that intel uses FPGA's to simulate new chips and intel is smart so let's use FPGA whatever an FPGA is"
08:55 < jonathan_> "let's not read any journal articles from the 1980s where neural networks and FPGA's were studied to death by very focused engineers"
08:56 < jonathan_> a more productive convo would be to talk about the severe brain drain in bio majors eh
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08:56 < eleitl> where is it going to?
08:57 < eleitl> jonathan? do you copy?
08:57 < jonathan_> brain drain?
08:57 < eleitl> yes. where is it draining to?
08:57 < jonathan_> cs
08:57 < eleitl> really?
08:58 < eleitl> hmm, do they want jobs? something else?
08:58 < jonathan_> seems to me the smart bio people often start doing software eh
08:58 < jonathan_> maybe they get fed up with pipetting all day with colleagues who say they actually like to pipette all day
08:59 < jonathan_> why is any sane & smart person going to go into bio these days
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08:59 < jonathan_> "need a ph.d to do anything real" + "cost of ph.d at all time high" + "no funding" = forget it i'mma do some cs
09:00 < gradstudentbot> This laproscopic camera is so easy to use.
09:00 <@kanzure> no, the smart bio people know that they don't actually need a phd
09:00 <@kanzure> i think you're underestimating people
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09:00 < eleitl> if you want to work in science you need a phd
09:01 <@kanzure> "work".. minimum wage? no thanks. it's cheaper to just not work, if you want to do science.
09:01 < eleitl> as an enterpreneur, not really, though a phd is handy for raising money
09:02 < eleitl> it's cheaper to just not work -- well, if you want to starve, maybe
09:03 <@kanzure> well, it's cheaper to work in other fields, i mean
09:03 < eleitl> sure
09:03 < jonathan_> making dumb comments on linkedin = more profile views.  as if that wasnt obvious.
09:05 < jonathan_> " ... The biggest problem facing mobile today is a shortage of talented developers. There is not enough mobile developer talent (iOS talent in particular amongst the folks we talk to in mobile retail) to feed consumer and enterprise ...   shell out the $150K-$200K that candidates like this can command in the bay area"
09:05 < jonathan_> let's see I can work in BIO for maybe $60k
09:05 < jonathan_> or I can work in CS for maybe $150K
09:05 < jonathan_> Hmmmm
09:05 < jonathan_> oh, I'mma choose bio lol
09:06 < eleitl> well, at least it's not law or finance
09:06 < jonathan_> CS is way easier than law or finance, only need a B.S. vs grad/phd
09:07 < jonathan_> smart kids dont even need a B.S.
09:07 < eleitl> such an awful waste of human life
09:07 < jonathan_> though it will make them weird for a decade if they dont get one.
09:10 < jonathan_> marketing dude came into my cubicle the other day, I had a bunch of schematics taped up for reference, we start talking about design criteria, he points to the schematics "yea okay. heck I don't know what any of this means, I need to keep the fifty thousand foot view of things" ...   ummm  why is reading a schematic so hard or why is not having technical knowledge somehow glorified as "fifty thousand foot view" ?
09:10 < jonathan_> meh I'mma avoid marketing for sures
09:10 < eleitl> it is easier to manipulate people to solve problems instead of actually doing the hard work
09:10 < jonathan_> then again it sure doesnt seem like a lot of work either lol
09:11 < eleitl> it's funny how everybody is treating the people who do actual work like pariahs
09:11 < eleitl> too asperger not to notice, huh?
09:11 < eleitl> fuck this shit
09:12 < jonathan_> there are a couple coworkers who are somewhat asperger it's ridiculous
09:12 < gradstudentbot> If I break my arm, do I still have to present tomorrow?
09:12 < jonathan_> lol gradstudentbot is a perfect example of brain drain
09:12 < gradstudentbot> That's the control group, right?
09:12 < jonathan_> "omg I'mma have a fit cause I gotta actually talk about what I do"
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09:13 < eleitl> well, it's a bot
09:13 < eleitl> bots do bot things
09:13 <@kanzure> jonathan_: you should be honest with that guy and tell him how insulting he's been. he should learn to read schematics. it's not even that difficult.
09:13 < eleitl> he doesn't have to, and he goes away with it
09:13 < jonathan_> thats right, he gets away with it
09:13 < eleitl> right, gets away with it
09:14 < jonathan_> all the marketing dudes do
09:14 < jonathan_> all the sales guys do
09:14 < jonathan_> all the execs do
09:14 < eleitl> there are easy jobs which pay a lot of money, and hard jobs which pay less money
09:14 < eleitl> what was that about brain drain, again?
09:14 < jonathan_> "the vp can't be expected to know that"
09:14 < cpopell> Hm.
09:14 <@kanzure> jonathan_: have you considered not working there
09:14 < cpopell> The Peter principle at work, perhaps
09:14 < jonathan_> lol i've considered not working anywhere
09:15 <@kanzure> cpopell: oh please, you're only saying that because you read it on lesswrong or reddit or some shit. screw off.
09:15 < eleitl> the ecosystem can tolerate pretty high parasite loads
09:15 < eleitl> It's parasites all the way down, young man!
09:15 < cpopell> Uh, kanzure, it's a pretty well recognized aspect of management theory and has even been examined in simulations.
09:16 < cpopell> So, politely, go fuck yourself
09:16 < jonathan_> "To use Wharton professor Adam Grant's estimates, about 35% of the business workforce is comprised of takers."  How to Get Ahead: Lie, Cheat and Steal   http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130718122906-36792-how-to-get-ahead-lie-cheat-and-steal
09:16 <@kanzure> cpopell: yeah but it's cliche to bring it up; it's like one of those useless observations that doesn't help.
09:16 <@kanzure> jonathan_: have you met eugen (eleitl) before?
09:16 < jonathan_> i dunno, I dont manage relationships, that's a sales job  ha
09:17 < jonathan_> I dont think it's peter principle
09:18 < jonathan_> it is this as was said: "easier to manipulate people to solve problems instead of actually doing the hard work"
09:18 < eleitl> it's a specialist skill
09:18 < jonathan_> engineers are easier to manipulate than others
09:18 < eleitl> can be learned, some are naturals at it
09:18 < jonathan_> most "tech hype" = manipulation
09:19 < gradstudentbot> That's not really surprising since they did it ex vivo.
09:19 < jonathan_> "work on cutting edge technology"  == work on something no one cares about and do it for 12 hrs a day
09:19  * eleitl doesn't work on any technology
09:20 < eleitl> well, apart from freezing animal semen, sometime soon
09:20  * cpopell is done working with tech for now
09:20  * eleitl is looking forward to obtaining the samples
09:20 < cpopell> delicious
09:22 < eleitl> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/06/23/horse-semen-shots-hit-with-kiwi-connoisseurs/
09:22 < eleitl> bon appetit
09:22 < jonathan_> wait biology is technology so animals are technology and that means...     something
09:22 <@kanzure> that means you've been reading too much rob carlson
09:24 < jonathan_> wait that means rob carlson is technology which means...  something
09:24 < jonathan_> i didnt finish george church's regenesis.   too general not enough how to imho
09:24 < eleitl> http://www.synthesis.cc/bio.html ?
09:24 <@kanzure> oh yeah, he wrote a book
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09:25 <@kanzure> eleitl: rob carlson is just someone that goes around in washington pimping himself and his book ("biology is technology")
09:25 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: sup dawggy dawg
09:25 < yashgaroth> whee late shift
09:25 < eleitl> ah, I see
09:25 < jonathan_> he is a perfect example
09:25 <@kanzure> jonathan_: not really, rob might actually have an engineering background. doesn't count.
09:25 < jonathan_> rather than work in bio, he's left bio, and rather than do work, he convinces others do try the hard work
09:25 < jonathan_> he is bio chem
09:26 < eleitl> it's never too late to discover your inner drone
09:26 <@kanzure> jojack paid him $100k to make a $50 thermocycler
09:26 <@kanzure> good times
09:26 < jonathan_> well joe should have asked me to eval first
09:26 <@kanzure> agreed
09:26 < jonathan_> actually my concern about the design is on the group...
09:26 < jonathan_> that means, rob is a better man than me
09:27 <@kanzure> the desgin of what?
09:27 < jonathan_> rob was wrong, but he got $$$.   i was right, I got nada
09:27 < gradstudentbot> Oh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together?
09:27 < jonathan_> the thermocycler design
09:28 < nmz787> kanzure: youtube requires you to send video metadata first, then if it's OK, it responds with an upload token and unique URL which you then send the video data to... when that finishes youtube responds with a 302, pointing to a URL you provided with the PUT (the next URL) along with the youtube ID appended... so it expects the nextURL to be on your site and your server to parse the ID from the args
09:29 <@kanzure> that's sorta dumb. it should pre-allocate the video id for you. that way when the upload is done it responds with HTTP 200 OK.
09:29 < jonathan_> in fact i got worse than nada since I spent free time investigating the data I could get on it and giving my opinion, so in fact I lost $$$
09:29 < eleitl> the parasites won this round
09:30 < jonathan_> how is it parasitic if the system promotes it's behavior?
09:30 < nmz787> ParahSai1in: a spatially awesome laser is TEM00 which still has a gaussian falloff
09:32 < nmz787> delinquentme: not sure you check the logs, but gaussian falloff is just how radiation works, the only way to smooth it out is to make the beam wider
09:32 < nmz787> but the edges will still falloff
09:32 < eleitl> I think I've reached email overload again
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10:02 < jonathan_> "Scientists have developed a way of charging mobile phones using urine."  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-23333533
10:02 < jonathan_> "By harnessing this power as urine passes through a cascade of microbial fuel cells (MFCs), we have managed to charge a Samsung mobile phone."
10:03 < jonathan_> well i always thought android was pretty much piss all
10:07 < Burnin8> has anyone seen academia.edu before?
10:08 < Burnin8> some impressive numbers on adoption, but havn't heard of them before today
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10:55 < eudoxia> >An entire FPGA chip will represent a single neuron (neuron ‘n’)
10:55 < eudoxia> that just sounds excessive
10:57 < eudoxia> >Unfortunately, FPGAs are still very expensive (and difficult to deal with); this is why we needed to apply for an EU grant to come up with the money and expertise that will hopefully ...
10:57 < eudoxia> * insert rant about how connection machines are so good, lisp etc.
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11:14 <@kanzure> Burninate: sure, i've seen academia.edu around.. they like to spam a lot of different blogs and crap. also i've met them in person.
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11:32 < archels> I think eudoxia was quoting the Si elegans project?
11:35 <@kanzure> yes
11:39 < weles> the funny thing about si elegans is that they plan to finish it in 3 years:)
11:40 <@kanzure> openworm seems to have more progress
11:41 < weles> seems.. that's the key word here:)
11:43 < weles> i'm starting to have my doubts about it, but we'll see
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13:06 < eudoxia> archels: 3 years for the worm, ten years for a whole human brain, if you believe markram
13:06 < eudoxia> comp neuroscientists and futurists are the best bros
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13:18 <@kanzure> eudoxia: bros?
13:19 <@kanzure> eudoxia: i would believe markram, except it doesn't matter because most of his work is private and not something you can use unless you go work for him. so.... htat's not useful.
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13:25 <@kanzure> what is the incentive against using gist.github.com as private git hosting?
13:37 < heath> i don't understand the question
13:38 <@kanzure> why?
13:44 <@kanzure> gist.github.com hosts git repos
13:44 <@kanzure> there is a 'private' mode
13:44 <@kanzure> it is very simple to understand :(
13:47 <@kanzure> grr screw the censors, "We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (biocurious-printer-hacking) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post:"
14:01 < chris_99> github should off loads of free private repos like bitbucket imo
14:01 < chris_99> *offer
14:01 < gradstudentbot> Should I still be wearing gloves?
14:02 <@kanzure> that doesn't seem related though. i just wonder why their private git repo offering doesn't directly conflict with their private git repo offering.
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15:53 <@kanzure> oh brother.. "I wanted to let you and the LA Biohackers members know about an event I am organizing this Sept 28-29, The Science and Tech Forum: Los Angeles (http://scitechforum.org). This event will bring together a world-class lineup of thought leaders and innovators to discuss how research and science will evolve in the 21st Century, including Citizen Science ninjas such as Joe Jackson and Kevin Lustig from Bio, Tech and Beyond in Carlsbad."
15:53 <@kanzure> "citizen science ninjas" :(
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15:53 <@kanzure> kevin lustig runs a giant corporation. how is that citizen science.
15:56 < gradstudentbot> You can't guarantee that.
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17:24  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
17:24 < gradstudentbot> I am busy doing science, go away.
17:24 < brownies> did you make that deterministic? or do i just have great luck of the draw?
17:24  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
17:24 < gradstudentbot> Don't you have anything better to be doing?
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19:48 <@kanzure> i seem to have no permissions on open manufacturing anymore
19:48 <@kanzure> oh, nevermind. wrong account.
19:48 < gradstudentbot> Okay, someone really needs to do the lab dishes.
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19:51 <@kanzure> jonathan___: sup
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19:59 <@kanzure> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ0WuNvHr8
19:59 <@kanzure> titlebot is dead :(
19:59 <@kanzure> "HOW TO RIDE KURATAS - Suidobashi heavy industry"
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20:23 < jonathan_> looks like i missed the "wwdcvideos" on youtube
20:23 < jonathan_> they were taken down sometime around 4pm i think today
20:26 < jonathan_> also
20:27 < jonathan_> i seem to have an infestation of some kind of mold-eating mite or some other type of mite, small green visible type
20:27 < jonathan_> these two things in concert make me :-(
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20:32 < jonathan_> "world-class lineup of thought leaders and innovators"   .... uh you mean world-class lineup of talkers
20:34 <@kanzure> "Lastly, it does not speak a portable protocol, since it depends on pickle to serialize the jobs, so it's a Python-only system."
20:34 <@kanzure> that is the worst idea ever, what the FUCK
20:34 < jonathan_> yea, it should speak Microsoft COM
20:34 < jonathan_> (sarcasm)
20:34 <@kanzure> at least COM doesn't basically let you walk through the front door
20:35 <@kanzure> celery lets you just use json-serializable stuff, which is a good start
20:35 <@kanzure> pickle is a terrible idea
20:35 <@kanzure> rq blows chunks
20:35 <@kanzure> i want my $5 back
20:41 < jonathan_> this chick is the bomb  http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html "Jane McGonigal: Gaming can make a better world"  - i've reconsidered my opinion on gamerz
20:42 < jonathan_> it helps that she is cute of course
20:46 < jonathan_> btw you all must watch "Richard Feynman - The Pleasure of Finding Things Out (1981)"
20:46 < jonathan_> it is A+
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21:09 < abetusk> Does anyone know of a place to get cheapish piezo electric inkjet heads?  Alternatively, does anyone have documentation on driving piezo electric inkjet printer heads for something like an Epson printer?
21:11 < juri_> abetusk: i knew someone who did some reverse engineering on the mechanism to the head, but his laptop with the data was stolen.
21:11 < juri_> i believe everyone is using them with the origional circuitboard.
21:12 < abetusk> There's good information on heated head inkjet, but I can't find too much information on the piezo kind
21:13 < juri_> if you find any, let me know.
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21:38 < nmz787> jonathan_: I believe i've listened to that audio book on a cross country road trip before
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23:04 < heath> recommendations for shops to purchase an inital batch of e.coli?
23:05 < heath> i wonder if the local uni has some they'll let me start out with
23:05 < yashgaroth> depends what you need them for
23:07 < yashgaroth> carolina biological sells k-12 I think but their site is down atm for some reason
23:07 < heath> i didn't know they sold organisms, whee
23:09 < heath> thanks yashgaroth
23:14 < heath> Escherichia coli (Migula) Castellani and Chalmers
23:14 < heath> ATCC® 700926™
23:14 < heath> For-Profit: $354.00
23:14 < heath> Non-Profit: $295.00
23:14 < heath> o_O
23:14 < yashgaroth> that's the premium you pay for organic, free-range e.coli
23:16 < heath> what's the difference between that and k-12?
23:16 < heath> http://www.hometrainingtools.com/live-culture%3A-escherichia-coli-bacteria/p/LD-ESCHCOL/
23:17 < heath> 11.50 is more a price range i was expecting
23:17 < yashgaroth> atcc characterizes and quality-controls the strains they ship out
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23:54 < heath>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2479PBaNYTs
23:55 < heath> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2479PBaNYTs#t=174s rather
23:55 < heath>  50µm, oh my!
23:56 < heath> .title
23:56 < heath> "Pansys3000 : Automated Cell Culture System"
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