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00:47 <@fenn> .title http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/research/14sleep.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=Mutation%20Tied%20to%20Need%20for%20Less%20Sleep&st=cse&
00:47 < yoleaux> Gene Mutation Tied to Needing Less Sleep - NYTimes.com
00:48 <@fenn> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5942/866.abstract
00:48 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1174443
00:48 < kanzure> feel free to fix that
00:48 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5942/866.full.pdf
00:49 < paperbot> http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sci/325/5942/866.full.pdf
00:49 <@fenn> did this ever work? when did it break?
00:49 < kanzure> so far i have found the libgen get.php thing to suck
00:49 < kanzure> the direct links to pdf files on libgen always work
00:51 < ParahSail1n> its only the uploading to libgen that fails
00:51 < kanzure> yeah, bug this guy. he knows things about this.
00:52 < ParahSail1n> since sci-hub.org allows access to pdfcache without cookies, we might as well just have it give the requester the pdfcache url
00:52 <@fenn> is pdfcache some libgen service?
00:53 < ParahSail1n> sci-hub...
00:53 < ParahSail1n> heres your shit http://sci-hub.org/pdfcache/220a19fbe4d9eca08ab16b482485a91a.pdf
00:53 <@fenn> how did you come up with that url?
00:53 < ParahSail1n> hax
00:56 <@fenn> i'm more interested in how to fix it; i can get papers on my own, for most sources
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00:58 <@fenn> why would we ever use the get.php in the first place?
01:00 <@fenn> also the link you gave is to some other paper
01:01 <@fenn> also there's an index of all the cached pdf files :\
01:01 <@fenn> oh it's just today
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07:38 < kanzure> "Hey Bryan, I am contacting you because I am interested in SKDB. I am a Belgian based product designer and I specialised in the development of technical product documentation/illustrations. Last months I was focused on the use of cad data to develop 3D interactive step by step guides to produce, repair, disassemble or assemble hardware. Up till now I mostly used solidworks to make the cad models. The software I used to make the 3d interactive ...
07:38 < kanzure> ... manuals is from the two major cad groups:Dassault and autodesk. From Dassault I used 3dvia composer. It is mostly used to publish illustrations for pdfs and word files that can be printed. I used it only to publish a html xml output. Afterwards one can view the 3D instructions  in a viewer on the net (only) in internet explorer. http://www.3dviacomposer.com/demo/ From autodesk I used inventor publisher. It can publish for mobile devices. ...
07:38 < kanzure> ... Afterwards you install an app (inventor publisher viewer app) for your ipad (also android).From then on The 3d manual you made is available on the net.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwlDToXu1OU I preferred to use open source alternatives but in my experience they still can not match the licensed software. At this moment I am looking to do an internship where I could make production manuals of hardware. I found an interesting collective in ...
07:38 < kanzure> ... Denmark http://www.n55.dk/MANUALS/Manuals.html. Next week I am going to Denmark to meet these people and to listen if it would be possible to do an internship and to make a manual of their hardware. Maybe I can work in an alpha version of the autodesk software (release will be in 2014). I could use the new software that will be cloud computed. Autodesk people can help me with the technical support and I can use their newest software and ...
07:38 < kanzure> ... help them by discovering the bugs. I read about SKDB. It looks promising and you guys have the same goal: sharing knowledge about the production of hardware by using cad and cam data. So I wondered if I could use SKDB too if I could  begin an internship with N55? Can it be used in combination with the software I use ? Is it already ready for use (for projects like N55 bikes) ?  I also haven't done lots of research about SKDB? I just read ...
07:38 < kanzure> ... the summary on the wikipage of opensource ecology.  It was just a idea , maybe it could be an ideal opportunity to try stuff out ?"
07:38 < kanzure> fenn: i found you a new friend i think
07:39 < kanzure> or a n55 mole
07:48 <@fenn> wow, why bother using buggy pre-alpha open source software when you can use buggy pre-alpha proprietary software
07:48 < kanzure> also maybe juul knows the n55 people
07:50 <@fenn> so anyway the answer to his questions is "no"
07:50 <@fenn> why the hell can't autodesk export VRML
07:51 <@fenn> "autodesk provides first ever 3d building instructions for lego" <- umm, no
07:53 < kanzure> here are some words about requirejs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6082697 https://gist.github.com/desandro/4686136
07:53 < kanzure> fenn: yeah, i think that guy has never played with legos
07:53 <@fenn> hey does brl-cad have some sort of assembly diagram mode?
07:53 < kanzure> fenn: btw, brlcad has swig wrappers in the svn repo already. maybe it would be worth playing with those.
07:54 <@fenn> i guess that means no
07:54 < kanzure> i haven't looked. i've aksed your question in #brlcad and maybe they will know.
07:55 <@fenn> i know they do edge rendering, but what i'm after is some sort of data structure that represents the connectivity and order of operations
07:55 < kanzure> no you're not
07:55 < kanzure> that data structure is just a directed graph, which is trivial
07:55 < kanzure> it's all the other stuff you want, i think
07:56 <@fenn> well you need to represent the mating vector and joining process etc
07:56 <@fenn> s/vector/trajectory/
07:56 < kanzure> i thought we did that already
07:57 <@fenn> only for legos, and it wasn't integrated into the cad UI at all
07:59 <@fenn> i don't know what to say to mr. belgian product designer. tbh i didn't realize n55 was still active
08:00 < kanzure> n55 is about as elusive as hackteria, or a little bit more
08:00 < kanzure> why are all of these weird collectives so secretive? which is weird to say, because hackteria has this wiki and stuff, ubt it's a miracle anyone in hackteria ever updates it..
08:00 <@fenn> it looks like they've gotten more whimsical, which sucks
08:01 <@fenn> selling bikes is cool though
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08:15 < kanzure> fenn: here you go..
08:15 < kanzure> 07:54 < kanzure> is there any "assembly diagram" mode of some sort?
08:15 < kanzure> 08:10 < brlcad> kanzure: mm, not yet a feature
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08:30 < heath> neat
08:30 < heath> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/msb/journal/v9/n1/full/msb201331.html
08:30 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fmsb.2013.31
08:34 < heath> maybe paperbot should have something equivalent to if OS_icon.jpg present: present user with .download-pdf url
08:34 < heath> for nature.com fetches
08:34 < heath> in this case, show the user: http://www.nature.com/msb/journal/v9/n1/pdf/msb201331.pdf
08:35 < kanzure> look at how paperbot is written. it does that.
08:35 < kanzure> but actually the right way to fix it is to update the zotero translators
08:35 < kanzure> but i'm p. sure zotero translators already work for nature
08:35 < kanzure> so again.. the problem is uploading the pdf to libgen.
08:35 < kanzure> ParahSail1n: why does it keep linking to libgen.org/scimag/get.php if it's not working?
08:37 < ParahSailin> to get people to use the pay version
08:39 < kanzure> huh?
08:40 < ParahSailin> i can push a patch to drop the upload part
08:41 < kanzure> please :)
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09:19 < kanzure> holy hell wtf
09:20 < kanzure> AAAS/Science just got back to me... to place an ad in all pdfs, it's only $8k/quarter USD.
09:21 < kanzure> that's really low.
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10:20 < kanzure> jmil: hey
10:21 < jmil> o/ kanzure
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11:29 < kanzure> EricHunting: welcome back
11:29 < kanzure> fenn: are you around?
11:29 < EricHunting> Hi
11:30 < kanzure> EricHunting: i might be acquiring a mole for n55. i don't know if you have looked at their things.
11:31 < EricHunting> I'm very familiar with N55. Have been following their work for many years.
11:33 < kanzure> EricHunting: i received an email from someone who will be visiting them next week. he was interested in skdb and doing technical illustration for assembly instructions and other manuals.
11:34 < EricHunting> They have some nice recent additions. A utility bike series and a novel plate-based asymmetrical geodesic dome system.
11:34 < EricHunting> That sounds promising. Would be good to get more connections there.
11:34 < gradstudentbot> Do I use a one or two sided t-test for that?
11:34 < kanzure> i agree
11:36 < kanzure> i just sent over the email for your inspection/curiosity
11:36 < EricHunting> Dante had some communication Sam Kronick who apparently worked with them for some months and was shopping around a video from that awhile ago.
11:39 < EricHunting> I've been corresponding with Dustin lately. One of the folks Dante has been gathering for the Neo-Nomad project we've been discussing. They've been looking for platforms for the distribution of design and fabrication instructions for nomadic artifacts and furntecture.
11:39 < EricHunting> Did you see the presentation for that I posted a while ago?
11:40 < kanzure> sorry, no, could you link me again?
11:40 < EricHunting> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/19g_XYezo_jHEZINUqZNZUswZaLsuNHpvbsT3vNkW3eU/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p
11:41 < EricHunting> Something I put together with found media last month. Not sure how far we'll get with this, but if there any chance of something coming together, Brussels is probably the place for it.
11:43 < kanzure> i am a little busy at the moment, but i do intend to read that soon/today
11:44 < EricHunting> OK. Let me know what you think when you can. We've gotten some positive, if non-committal, feedback so far.
11:45 < ParahSailin> theres some shitty php on this website if anyone wants to screw around hacking http://www.entrustenergy.com/
11:45 < ParahSailin> you might be able to get free electricity
11:45 < kanzure> haha i doubt they hooked up their electrical grid to php
11:46 < chris_99> lol
11:46 < ParahSailin> their billing system, on the other hand
11:46 < kanzure> oh interesting point
11:46 < ParahSailin> i actually have the jar files for their billing system... call it social engineering
11:46 < chris_99> haha
11:46 < kanzure> okay, i'll call it "someone dun screwed up and emailed you the jar files"
11:47 < chris_99> anything interesting in them?
11:47 < ParahSailin> kanzure: no, if you connect to a certain web server from a certain ip range, you can download certain jnlps
11:47 < kanzure> jnlp is java web start. they probably had an applet at some point.
11:48 < ParahSailin> their oracle servers run some jnlp app that interfaces between sql and a client app
11:48 < ParahSailin> clients run a jnlp app
11:48 < kanzure> wait.. their jars connect directly to their db?
11:48 < kanzure> god damn it wtf
11:49 < ParahSailin> there is a server jar that connects to the db, and there are client jars that connect to the server jar through java rpc thing
11:49 < kanzure> go look at jasmin (not jasmine) if you want to dump the bytecode in the .jar into something readable
11:50 < ParahSailin> i used jad, and it made it very readable
11:50 < kanzure> oh yeah, jad is a good one too
11:50 < kanzure> or jade??
11:50 < ParahSailin> see, the employees at this company use a shortcut that runs jnlp start on this url http://208.253.5.111/P2CAppEntrust/Client/Client.jnlp
11:51 < kanzure> i forgot their names. i've been using baksmali/smali but that's only for dalvik bytecode.
11:51 < ParahSailin> just change Client to Server and you have the jar files
11:51 < kanzure> something similar is true of science's site
11:51 < kanzure> *cough*
11:54 < ParahSailin> i think i should not be saying this stuff in a publicly logged channel
11:56 < kanzure> shrug, whatever, the way i see it you're blowing mostly hot-air ("FREE ENERGY") and then pointing to something that would require a lot of work to get to that point
11:56 < kanzure> basically all you've done is given a link to an ip address.... big deal.
12:00 < ParahSailin> thats true, im really just annoyed that theyve screwed up my billing
12:02 < kanzure> sucks huh
12:08 < weles> kanzure, http://adl.serverftp.org/skdb link on your kanzure/skdb does not work
12:09 < kanzure> fixed
12:10 < weles> :) gotta say  this is a brilliant idea
12:24 < rigel> for java bytecode i hear good things about procyon
12:24 < rigel> though i am too stupid to actually use it
12:24 < kanzure> isn't that a star
12:25 < rigel> it is updated more often than JODE, and is Free, in contrast to JDE
12:25 < kanzure> oh.. https://bitbucket.org/mstrobel/procyon‎
12:25 < rigel> yep
12:25 < kanzure> wait, is it jade, jad, or jode?
12:25 < rigel> JDE is the freeware-nonfree disassembler
12:26 < rigel> JODE was a free one that sort of went to seed
12:26 < gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Cell paper.
12:26 < kanzure> went to what?
12:26 < rigel> to seed. you know, people stopped tending it.
12:27 < kanzure> i'm a data miner, not a farmer~
12:29 < gradstudentbot> I haven't seen my PI in like a week.
12:34 < nmz787> so the ubuntu forums passwords, is ther a dump somewhere?
12:34 < nmz787> i wanna see if  i'm in there
12:35 < kanzure> i'm not aware of a dump
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12:42 < ParahSailin> procyon is a racoon
12:42 < ParahSailin> im not sure ive seen one in this state yet
12:43 < kanzure> this state is not hospitable to lifeforms of any type
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13:43 < archels> life.augmented
13:43 < archels> transhumanists at ST Micro?
13:45 < kanzure> what?
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14:31 < kanzure> EricHunting: are you near albuquerque?
14:32 < kanzure> oh. 61 miles.
14:33 < kanzure> EricHunting: do you know Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> ?
14:34 < gradstudentbot> The protocol is wrong.
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14:41  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
14:41 < gradstudentbot> When are you going to publish?
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14:46  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
14:46 < gradstudentbot> Can't this wait? I am busy doing science.
14:46 < brownies> it should be "I'm busy sciencing as fast as I can."
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15:57 < ParahSailin> lol at OSE
16:00 < kanzure> what's up
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16:01 < ParahSailin> no, just that thread on openmanufacture
16:01 < kanzure> oh yeah, i like the part about "diversity of people"
16:01 < kanzure> if we all believe in each other enough, we'll magically become technically excellent!
16:01 < kanzure> what a pile of crap. the only way to win is to get some experts together, throw them in a room and then do exactly what they say.
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16:13 < EricHunting> Sorry. Had to retreat to another room with AC because of the heat.
16:13 < kanzure> ParahSailin: did you push that paperbot fix by any chance?
16:14 < EricHunting> Adobe construction. Only one window in one window accommodates an AC.
16:18 < heath> .title http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/gloryholio-preggit-science-gifs
16:18 < yoleaux> Awesome GIFs of Scientific Experiments - My Modern Metropolis
16:19 < kanzure> i wonder if i should rewrite paperbot to be all in python or all in javascript
16:20 < kanzure> i sort of like the idea of javascript because it means the scrapers could run inside browsers
16:20 < kanzure> whereas with python i would have to use pyjamas or one of the pyjamas converters to dump python into a browser if users outside the context of a python server were to want to run it
16:21 < kanzure> man, if only the commonjs module for seedjs was already working, that would be good. i guess phantomjs in the mean time.
16:21 < kanzure> maybe i will write it in a way that zotero can reuse the javascript modules
16:21 < kanzure> so that there can be a shared core
16:21 < kanzure> but it would have to be something that isn't dependent on the zotero extension. because that shit sucks.
16:21 < kanzure> also because it's firefox only
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16:24 < EricHunting> Kanzure: answering your question earlier, I live on a mesa something around half-way between Santa Fe and Albuquerque, on the highway called Turquoise Trail. Sadly, missed the chance to live on Tarantula Terrace.
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16:34 < EricHunting> Never met Alan Post, but that Sunflower River community seems heavily New Age.
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16:40 < kanzure> EricHunting: he is doing some aquaponics/diybio things and wanted to visit austin. his location made me think of you, which is how i ended up asking.
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16:44 < EricHunting> His bio at the community web site noted that he is a coder who has heavily studied permaculture and recently worked with aquaponics. He lives in a nice little yurt.
16:44 < EricHunting> http://sunflowerriver.org/blog/who-we-are/
16:46 < EricHunting> Albuquerque is heavily urban so they must be fairly far south of it to have this large piece of land.
16:47 < kanzure> eww he voluntarily uses CentOS. i'm not sure i will like him.
16:47 < EricHunting> Heh.
16:48 < kanzure> but he likes writing parsers/grammars, so that's useful
16:48 < EricHunting> I wonder how many people use North Korea's version of Linux just for yucks.
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16:53 < nmz787> NK has their own distro?
16:53 < nmz787> I wonder if they modded Tux the penguin to have a jumpsuit or shackles
16:53 < nmz787> or to look emacited
16:53 < nmz787> emaciated
16:54 < EricHunting> It's called Red Star OS  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS
16:55 < EricHunting> Before that they used a more well known and much more despotic OS
16:56 < gradstudentbot> Grant submitted.
16:56 < EricHunting> I give them credit for a very stylish logo.
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17:30 < EricHunting> Taking off for the night. See you folks later.
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17:31 < kanzure> aww he keeps leaving before fenn is around
17:53 < weles> kanzure, is the skdb project dead?
17:53 < kanzure> no, we were waiting on brlcad to get nurbs support. it just got it in the last 6-4 months.
17:54 < weles> ok, because i see that last activity on github was like 7 months ago
17:56 < weles> and running  python clients/skdb-get.py lego returns  File "clients/skdb-get.py", line 12, in <module>
17:56 < weles>     import skdb
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18:17 < eudoxia> weles: IIRC the tests should be run from core/, i think?
18:21 < kanzure> that sounds crazy why would i do that
18:21 < kanzure> it's entirely possible that i did that
18:22 < kanzure> but it's stupid anyway
18:22 < eudoxia> no disregard me entirely i'm seriously retarded when it comes to python modules
18:24 < eudoxia> weles: you just need to make sure skdb is in Python's search path
18:30 < weles> oki let me try
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