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00:11 < fredox> anannie: short answer - signal strength. needs supercondutors
00:12 < anannie> fredox: can't you create a loop and amplify whatever tiny amount of current is generated?
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00:13 < anannie> fredox: How low is the amount of current generated?
00:13 < fredox> its so small the resistance of silver is enough too block it
00:14 < fredox> like uA or less
00:14 < fredox> at mV
00:14 < fredox> in pulses measured in ms
00:14 < fredox> multiply together = ~0
00:14 < anannie> So can we use gold?
00:15 < anannie> we use a fine gold wire with a large number of coils
00:15 < fredox> golds worse than silver
00:15 < anannie> and optimize the dimensions of the wire for this
00:16 < fredox> big superconductor based detectors can pick up the heartbeat from 6ft away
00:16 < anannie> oh sorry forgot about that
00:16 < gradstudentbot> I don't know what to tell you, I thought would have graduated by now.
00:17 < gradstudentbot> The culture got contaminated.
00:17 < anannie> how about this fredox I could put in a silver plate and let it generate eddy currents in that...?
00:17 < anannie> maybe if I detect the eddy currents by a secondary apparatus I'll be able to pick out the signal?
00:18 < anannie> nah that won't work
00:18 < anannie> what about just picking up the EM field generated by the heart using an antenna?
00:20 < anannie> an antenna is a completely different configuration
00:20 < anannie> as compared to a coil hoping to induce current using a magnetic field
00:20 < anannie> will that pick things up fredox ?
00:21 < fredox> yes
00:22 < fredox> will it pick up enough of a signal to distinguish it from background radiation, probably not
00:22 < fredox> unless as mentioned earlier its a superconducting antenna
00:23 < anannie> but if it's pressed against the chest surely I can filer out the background radiation?
00:23 < anannie> * filter
00:23 < anannie> background radiation is more or less constant
00:24 < anannie> this is variable and closer
00:24 < anannie> I'm talking about shrinking all of this and turning it into a pendant that can be worn around the neck
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04:01 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://eprint.iacr.org/2013/451
04:01 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Candidate%20Indistinguishability%20Obfuscation%20and%20Functional%20Encryption%20for%20all%20circuits.pdf
04:02 < poppingtonic> .title
04:02 < yoleaux> poppingtonic: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
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04:11 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6145/534.full
04:11 < paperbot> http://pdf.highwire.org/stamped/sci/341/6145/534.full.pdf
04:15 < gradstudentbot> I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space.
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04:38 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4471-4402-1_15#page-1
04:39 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2F978-1-4471-4402-1_15
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05:44 < rigel> anyone following the cultured beef story?
06:17 < rigel> fwiw, i think it's pretty hilarious.
06:17 < rigel> a bunch of hype about a lab grown beef slab
06:17 < rigel> and they just avoid talking about the fact that they needed a bunch of FBS and antibiotics to grow it in the first place
06:18 < rigel> so, ethical "benefits" are out the window, as are resource use arguments, since it still requires baby cows
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06:56 <@kanzure> paperbot: http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002107#s5
06:56 < paperbot> TypeError: descriptor 'find' requires a 'str' object but received a 'unicode' (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 55, in <lambda>)
06:57 <@kanzure> .title http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002107#s5
06:57 < yoleaux> PLOS Computational Biology: Models of Neocortical Layer 5b Pyramidal Cells Capturing a Wide Range of Dendritic and Perisomatic Active Properties
07:13 <@kanzure> https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/08/04/investigating-security-vulnerability-report/
07:13 <@kanzure> http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-53.html
07:13 <@kanzure> http://tsyrklevich.net/tbb_payload.txt "This is an annotation and very brief analysis of the payload used by the Tor Browser Bundle exploit"
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07:33 <@kanzure> .title http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/barsmonster/595624345
07:33 < yoleaux> The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)
07:33 <@kanzure> .title http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/barsmonster/595624345?token=6d71abcc
07:33 < yoleaux> OpenASIC : technology for DIY microchip manufacturing by Mikhail Svarichevskiy — Kickstarter
07:35 <@kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/open-equipment
07:35 < gradstudentbot> Seriously, who moved my samples?
07:35 <@kanzure> oh nevermind.. seems to just be our regulars there.
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07:38 < gradstudentbot> I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself.
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08:46 <@kanzure> drazak: welcome back?
08:46 < drazak> kanzure: kinda, long time no see
08:47 <@kanzure> sup/how goes?
08:47 < drazak> not bad, living in vancouver
08:47 < drazak> thinking of going back to college
08:47 <@kanzure> have you met derek jacoby?
08:47 < drazak> not yet
08:47 <@kanzure> he's somewhere in vancouver doing a biotech hackerspace
08:48 < drazak> oh cool
08:48 < drazak> will have to find out about that
08:48 < drazak> decided to trawl through recent diybio posts
08:48 < drazak> you saw the one from avery louie the other day?
08:48 < drazak> that gel is fucking awful
08:48 <@kanzure> haha
08:49 < drazak> tell me I'm wrong :P
08:49 <@kanzure> nope
08:50 <@kanzure> avery tends to be methodical, so i'm not sure what's going wrong here
08:50 < drazak> I should ask for a copy of his proceedures and see what I can find
08:51 < drazak> kanzure: is there sitll a fucking top posting argument going on as well?
08:52 < drazak> there's like 1/10 posts that're top posted
08:52 <@kanzure> unfortunately nobody understood what top/bottom posting meant
08:53 < drazak> yeah
08:53 < drazak> and leitl coming in and rules naziing, which is good
08:53 < drazak> (about top posting ironically)
09:00 < drazak> kanzure: you know I speak my mind on these things, too, if your work looks awful I'm gonna tell you it's fucking awful
09:01 <@kanzure> hm?
09:01 <@kanzure> if you have some criticism, pile it on
09:01 <@kanzure> but i don't see anything yet?
09:01 < drazak> oh I'm gonna post in a sec
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09:38 < drazak> kanzure: too scathing?
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09:46 <@kanzure> drazak: no, that was pretty light
09:46 <@kanzure> drazak: i expected more from you
09:47 < drazak> kanzure: meh I didn't want to dig too hard in my first post in... 3 years?
09:47 <@kanzure> nobody will remembre you
09:47 <@kanzure> *remember you
09:47 < drazak> yeah I know
09:48 < drazak> kanzure: to be frank if people posted their lab notebook with their experiment that'd be great
09:49 < drazak> kanzure: because otherwise nobody has any idea what in the fuck they're doing
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09:51 <@kanzure> agreed
09:56 < drazak> kanzure: you see the one the other day about someone looking for bacteria for a control?
09:57 <@kanzure> a control?
09:57 <@kanzure> oh, a control in a project
09:57 <@kanzure> no
09:57 < drazak> er, bacterial dna as a control
09:57 < drazak> not the bug
09:57 <@kanzure> nope. why do you mention it?
09:57 < drazak> but you could just culture the bacteria and extract the dna
09:58 < drazak> looked like it was bsl2 bacteria, prolly gonna have a hard time getting it without having a lab
09:59 < drazak> pretty sure some bacteria is gonna cost a lot less than the bacterial dna
10:00 <@kanzure> we should be working on that synthesizer
10:01 < drazak> there's a synthesizer project?
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10:04 <@kanzure> yes
10:05 < drazak> link?
10:06 < drazak> please tell it's not just another thread on diybio
10:06 <@kanzure> it's not.
10:06 <@kanzure> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkTsdtdxo56DdDFCUmNqMzVyYi04eGw4cUJ6bG1KMlE#gid=0
10:06 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf
10:06 < drazak> also how does paperbot work? it's "new"
10:06 <@kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
10:09 < drazak> ah
10:10 < drazak> nice nod to venter
10:11 <@kanzure> we were talking with his company but the call didn't go well (ancient history)
10:12 < drazak> lol
10:12 < drazak> didn't you meet him once
10:12 <@kanzure> nope not venter
10:12 < drazak> have you actually gotten anywhere with microfluidic chips
10:12 <@kanzure> no, i don't think microfluidics is the right v1
10:12 < drazak> agreed
10:13 < drazak> the problem with the oone time costs method
10:13 <@kanzure> huh?
10:13 < drazak> is that you also need a nice microscope to check if your microfluidics arrays are correct
10:13 < drazak> page 21 of your pdf
10:13 <@kanzure> that's okay, i am willing to own a nice microscope
10:13 < drazak> oh? you are? I'm surprised :P
10:14 <@kanzure> why's that?
10:14 < drazak> I'm kidding
10:14 <@kanzure> the real problem with microfluidics is the number of revisions to get it to work, and the cost per revision
10:14 <@kanzure> per prototype i mean
10:14 < drazak> yea
10:14 < drazak> h
10:14 <@kanzure> and then the number of bugs that will pop up that you can't fix
10:14 <@kanzure> i mean, there's enough problems with the chemistry itself
10:15 < drazak> it's pretty bad
10:15 <@kanzure> a 12 step process with 5 inputs? yeah, good luck.
10:15 < drazak> my uncle had some arrays way back when
10:15 < drazak> it was like 2 inputs and all it had to do was let cells adhere to it
10:15 < drazak> so they could pass other cells through it
10:16 < drazak> and it took 30ish revisions
10:16 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html
10:16 < drazak> fix mod_rewrite
10:16 <@kanzure> huh?
10:16 < drazak> gets rid of the .html at the end
10:17 <@kanzure> that already works, though
10:17 <@kanzure> maybe i wanted to type .html?
10:17 < drazak> oh ok
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11:26 <@kanzure> 16:22 <cpopell> got any work for physics/math types to do?
11:26 <@kanzure> yes, i think so.
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11:29 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't know, but I'll have to look into that.
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11:33 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/bosslab-alternative-logo-01.png
11:33 <@kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/bosslab-alternative-logo-02.png
11:39 < heath> the first
11:40 < heath> they should probably get me to design stuff for them
11:40 < heath> http://i.imgur.com/4vGNKU7.png
11:40 < heath> or just use a css framework :)
11:41 < heath> er, i realize a css framework isn't how you create logos
11:43 < heath> http://dna19.biodesign.asu.edu/contractus.html
11:43 < heath> .title
11:43 < yoleaux> DNA19.biodesign.asu.edu
11:43 < heath> http://www.cs.duke.edu/FNANO/
11:43 < heath> .title
11:43 < yoleaux> FNANO14
11:43 < heath> two confs i'd like to attend this year
11:45 < heath> hrm, http://ppage.psystems.eu/
11:45 < heath> .title
11:45 < yoleaux> Home - The P Systems Webpage
11:51 < heath> i take it everyone saw this at some point: http://rendell-attic.org/gol/tm.htm
11:51 < heath> .title
11:51 < yoleaux> A Turing Machine in Conway's Game of Life, extendable to a Universal Turing Machine
11:52 < gradstudentbot> Man, if only I could biopsy his organs.
11:59 <@kanzure> .title https://www.cryptocloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2894&p=3852#p3852
12:00 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) took too long to process.
12:00 < chris_99> ironically a site with the title cryptocloud seems to load properly using http rather than https
12:00 <@kanzure> well, there's https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6161420 instead
12:05 < chris_99> any opinions on this (forgive the source ;) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2384715/At-tastes-meat--Worlds-test-tube-artificial-beef-Googleburger-gets-GOOD-review-eaten-time.html
12:06 <@kanzure> no, i shall not forgive that source
12:06 < chris_99> haha
12:07 < chris_99> i'm curious how fast that kind of tissue would grow
12:10 < ParahSailin> you will never produce tissue culture muscle flesh cheaper than chicken meat from entire animals
12:12 < chris_99> even if you could scale it up massively
12:13 < ParahSailin> your feed conversion rate will always suck
12:13 < heath> .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4756
12:13 < yoleaux> [1212.4756] One Tile to Rule Them All: Simulating Any Turing Machine, Tile Assembly System, or Tiling System with a Single Puzzle Piece
12:14 < ParahSailin> all those "extra, icky parts" that animals have that you don't like to eat are things that you'll have to do yourself, less efficiently in industrial chemical processes
12:21 < chris_99> mm, i guess it depends what kind of meat you're trying to simulate though
12:23 < chris_99> what actually defines speed that cells can replicate at?
12:24 < chris_99> *the speed
12:25 < gradstudentbot> I had to remind my professor who I was today.
12:27 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, there's a clear trend.
12:30 <@nmz787> drazak: vancouver WA or BC?
12:31 <@nmz787> fredox: yes kanzure was right, i've been targeting 1 micron cubed, it has millisecond diffusion times, and reagent savings are 10^6 even with like 66% yield per addition step
12:31 <@nmz787> over $.30 per base
12:32 < rigel> ParahSailin: the use of FBS, as i noted above, was critical to this lab-beef (as it is to much of tissue culture)
12:32 < rigel> i liken it to building a giant fan to power your windmills
12:32 < ParahSailin> rigel: yeah pretty much
12:32 <@nmz787> why dont people just grow CNS deficient cows?
12:32 < ParahSailin> have you seen how dumb cows are?
12:33 <@nmz787> but the arguments are about pain or ending their consciousness
12:33 < ParahSailin> oh
12:33 <@nmz787> so just remove that sensor
12:33 < rigel> there are two arguments
12:33 < rigel> one is about ethics
12:33 < ParahSailin> well thats just silliness and irrational sentiments
12:33 <@nmz787> isnt the ethics one re pain?
12:33 < rigel> the other is about resource costs and meeting demand, which is supposed to increase
12:33 <@nmz787> no nerves, no pain
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12:33 < rigel> the ethics one is mooted by the use of FBS
12:33 < chris_99> what's CNS nmz787?
12:34 <@nmz787> no one bitches about all the soy babies 'edamame' people eat
12:34 <@nmz787> central nervous system
12:34 < rigel> i made a joke about how if you don't name the cow it doesnt have a soul yet
12:34 <@nmz787> rigel: ahh i see, diff issue
12:34 < chris_99> how would that work, nmz787?
12:34 < ParahSailin> oysters are pretty efficient at meat production and they're practically vegetables
12:35 <@nmz787> chris_99: i imagine you'd lose the jaw mastication thing with no nerves, but factory farming can probably pre-grind all the food
12:35 < rigel> there is a scientific american article which quotes someone, rightly, saying that tissue culture is one of the most wasteful and resource intensive processes in modernity
12:35 < rigel> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2013/08/05/cultured-beef-a-380000-burger-grown-in-petri-dishes/
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12:36 <@nmz787> maybe there's some rigor-mortis inducing chem that could be injected in the legs so the dumber cow would be self-supporting too
12:36 < ParahSailin> dumber cow = chicken
12:36 < rigel> so this is really all just science as conspicuous consumption
12:36 <@nmz787> ParahSailin: but not ethically
12:36 <@nmz787> but chickens are a decent example of working without having a head
12:36 < ParahSailin> dont dignify irrational sentimentality with ethics
12:36 < rigel> here, i am a stupid rich guy let me pay a quarter mil to taste something some guy in a white coat tells me is crazy
12:37 <@nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
12:37 < ParahSailin> it had a brainstem
12:37 <@nmz787> pshh
12:37 < chris_99> nmz787, wasn't he not actually headless then
12:37 <@nmz787> is that where pain is felt?
12:37 <@nmz787> chris_99: i guess if what ParahSailin said is true
12:38 <@kanzure> i don't understand what you're trying to argue for
12:38 <@kanzure> whether or not they feel pain is immaterial to how much meat they produce
12:38 < gradstudentbot> I forgot to make a control group.
12:38 <@nmz787> 'This includes the corticospinal tract (motor), the posterior column-medial lemniscus pathway (fine touch, vibration sensation and proprioception) and the spinothalamic tract (pain, temperature, itch and crude touch). '
12:38 <@nmz787> :(
12:38 < ParahSailin> kanzure: some people thing feeling pain is the essential quality that determines whether we should treat something as another human or not
12:38 <@nmz787> kanzure: the arguments veggie people make is about hurting the organism though IME
12:39 <@kanzure> are you angry that other lifeforms have neurons? i don't understand your moral objection to chickens having neurons.
12:39 <@nmz787> i dont, since i feel plants are dying just the same
12:39 <@nmz787> i ate a shitload of raspberrie fetuses yesterday
12:40 <@nmz787> fetal rasperry serum with frozen and churned cow teat serum is amazing
12:40 <@nmz787> the fetal raspberries can actually just be used as a mash
12:40 <@nmz787> no separation required
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12:41 <@nmz787> i really don't understand why there isn't more research into making these animals less sensitive
12:42 <@nmz787> seems like hacking out enough brain would be relatively easy
12:42 < chris_99> really?
12:42 <@nmz787> maybe it's not GMO, maybe it's some developmental fetus brain suction assembly line
12:42 <@nmz787> i dunno, seems like it
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12:43 <@nmz787> i haven't read much about it, for or against
12:43 <@nmz787> but it's weird that i havent
12:44 <@nmz787> i guess Mike the headless chicken had his brainstem, which helps with breathing and heart function... but also deals with pain... so maybe it would be really hard to separate those functions
12:44 <@nmz787> whether through GMO or cutting
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13:53 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nm.3261.html
13:54 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnm.3261
13:54 < heath> re:bio computation
13:54 < heath> http://seemanlab4.chem.nyu.edu/XOR.html
13:54 < heath> .title
13:54 < yoleaux> DNA-Based Computation
13:54 < heath> "There are many different ways that this can be realized, but in keeping with the basic self-assembly thrust of this laboratory, I will only describe a computation by algorithmic self-assembly performed in this laboratory."
13:55 < heath> kanzure^
13:56 <@kanzure> shrug.
13:57 < heath> clearly you knew this, guess you were trying to get me to explain it or something
13:57 < gradstudentbot> This laproscopic camera is so easy to use.
14:03 <@nmz787> delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Specific_elimination_of_mutant_mitochondrial_genomes_in_patient-derived_cells_by_mitoTALENs.pdf
14:04 < delinquentme> nmz787, mush apreesh
14:04 <@nmz787> heath: i think kanzure just wanted you to explain it to yourself
14:05 <@kanzure> i don't know what's going on
14:05 <@kanzure> what am i supposed to be forcing you to explain?
14:06 <@nmz787> apparently biocomputation
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14:29 < heath> mechanical keyboards make me sound like i'm typing faster than i actually am
14:29 < heath> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LUjjvlj_Y
14:30 <@kanzure> heath: beat my high score, http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure on http://typeracer.com/
14:30 <@kanzure> also if you feel like playing a game you can use http://www.holywowstudios.com/teachestyping/
14:30 < heath> i know you are way faster than me
14:30 <@kanzure> yeah but sounds are like 20% of my speed
14:30 <@kanzure> another 20% is drugs
14:30 < heath> i've only gotten something like 120-140 on typeracer
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15:15 < delinquentme> do we have anyone whos really deft w cutting image tiles for google map overlays?
15:15 <@nmz787> cutting them?]
15:16 < delinquentme> yeah so given a source image... get the tiles
15:17 < ParahSailin> thats a google question
15:18 <@kanzure> openstreetmap has some tools for that
15:26 < heath> delinquentme: maybe d3's clipping functionality?
15:27  * heath has limited experience with d3
15:32 <@kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/985736936?token=398b4977 "Low-cost RTK GPS receiver (centimeter level precision) with open source software and board design targeted at UAVs."
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15:36 <@kanzure> i'm not sure xbee is a good idea
15:36 <@kanzure> however, i currently forget everything radio ever so i'm not qualified to make that assessment in this moment
15:36 <@kanzure> probably better than 802.11
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15:46 < heath> nashville to tempe back to nashville:  3,253 mi, 47 hours
15:46 <@kanzure> DoktorUnicorn: welcome
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15:51 <@nmz787> heath: i've done a drive like that in 2days 3 nights
15:51 <@kanzure> yes but your genome is like 80% diesel turbo-charged engine
15:54 <@bkero> dieselpunk?
15:54 < heath> with the prius it's about $100 less to drive to tempe and probably a much larger headache :)
15:57 < heath> kanzure: you're a halfway point, would you be in town ~sept.21, and would mind if i stopped by for a night?
15:57 <@kanzure> you're welcome to stop by. yes i think i'll be in austin. but even if i'm not you're welcome to my place.
15:58 < heath> sxhweet
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16:13 < panax> http://blog.garrytan.com/goldman-sachs-sent-a-brilliant-computer-scientist-to-jail-over-8mb-of-open-source-code-uploaded-to-an-svn-repo
16:15 < superkuh> Yep. And the FBI field agent thought subversion was suspicious because it had the connotation of "subvert".
16:18 <@kanzure> do you have a reference on that, superkuh? that sounds hilarious.
16:18 < superkuh> The Vanityfair article.
16:18 <@kanzure> i wonder what the fbi would think about git
16:18 < superkuh> http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2013/09/michael-lewis-goldman-sachs-programmer
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17:58 <@kanzure> fenn: what oscilloscope should i get nate?
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18:07 <@nmz787> fenn: i want it to be relatively modern (i.e. 6 inches deep) and 4 channel and at least 70 MHz
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18:07 <@nmz787> fenn it seems the sweet spot is chinese around $2k at 200 MHz
18:10 <@nmz787> fenn: i've also seen a few tektronix for around that price, looked less modern (smaller screen) but likely the functionality would be equivalent if not superior, especially with User Experience/Interface things (according to most of the chinese scope reviews on eevblog
18:20 < heath> http://coolarduino.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/quasi-real-time-oscilloscope-remix/
18:21 < heath> think that meets your specs
18:22 <@nmz787> heath: sorry, no, that maxes out sampling at 100kHz
18:23 <@nmz787> to get 200 MHz effective rate, you need to sample around 1GS/s to 2GS/s
18:25 <@nmz787> heath: kanzure fenn these seem to be the lowest priced on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGLENT-SDS1304CFL-300MHz-Digital-Oscilloscope-2GSa-s-50GSa-s-4-Channels-/150973225836?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item2326b49b6c
18:25 <@nmz787> and http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEKTRONIX-60MHz-DIGITAL-STORAGE-4-CHANNEL-OSCILLOSCOPE-TDS2004-TDS-2004-/231028465069?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item35ca5e9dad
18:26 <@nmz787> but for $2k i've seen the same tektronix but new
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18:27 <@nmz787> then there's this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Instek-GDS-3254-250-MHz-4-Channel-Color-Digital-Storage-Oscilloscope-/190872468243?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item2c70e2bb13
18:28 <@nmz787> another almost new tektronix http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-TDS2014-4-Channels-100MHz-1GS-s-Digital-Oscilloscope-Only-14-Cycles-/271218537752?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item3f25e27518
18:45 <@kanzure> nmz787: let's also ask in ##electronics
18:45 <@kanzure> nmz787: it would suck to spend some cash on an oscilloscope and end up with some pile of shit
18:46 <@kanzure> also it would be nice to get something that a friend has (but it's not absolutely required)
18:53 < drazak> the tektronix is good
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18:53 < drazak> agilent also being good
18:54 <@kanzure> drazak: suppose money wasn't a problem. what would you get?
18:54 < drazak> agilent is hp's science brand
18:54 < drazak> uh the 40,000$ agilent scope that that guy that drops shit 2 meters to test tore apart
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18:54 <@kanzure> 2 meters?
18:54 < drazak> let me find the videos
18:55 < drazak> the eevblog guy
18:55 < gradstudentbot> I did so much qPCR today.
18:58 < drazak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUBb4S8LoO0
18:58 < drazak> kanzure: this guy takes multimeters and throws them around as if they're actually getting used and dropped and shit
18:58 < drazak> when he says a piece of electronics equipment is good
18:58 < drazak> it's usually rock solid
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18:59 < panax> lol
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19:14 <@nmz787> kanzure: yeah the eevblog guy is where i did most of my research, most of his instrument videos are 30-60 mins long
19:14 <@kanzure> i don't remember cory having this much content on his wiki http://wiki.biohackers.la/Aerobic_Nitrogenase
19:15 <@nmz787> he had quite a lot the last i looked
19:16 <@nmz787> not much in the recetn history of the page
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19:22 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: sup
19:31 < yashgaroth> yo
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19:49 < fredox> has there been any work done on an open CPG recipe?
19:50 <@kanzure> cpg?
19:50 < fredox> like cpg1000
19:53 <@nmz787> controlled pore glass
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20:24 < nmz787> kanzure: ##electronics seems very noisy right now, I dounno if anyone's gonna see my question
20:25 <@kanzure> welcome to the power of irc
20:26 <@kanzure> also, azonenberg is usually good about not ignoring you
20:32 <@kanzure> i guess they are okay with off-topic banter these days
20:32 <@kanzure> freenode sure has gotten wacky
20:39 < drazak> yeah
20:39 < drazak> I'd just hilight azonberg
20:40 <@kanzure> i wonder what he's been up to. is he still wasting time in college?
20:40 < drazak> he's in his 2nd year of his phd
20:40 < drazak> at rpi
20:40 <@kanzure> ugh. i was hoping he would get out.
20:41 < drazak> nah
20:45 < nmz787> oshpark is more helpful
20:53 < heath> .title http://english.nanoctr.cas.cn/
20:53 < yoleaux> National Center for Nanoscience and Technology, China
20:54 < heath> .title http://vimeo.com/channels/kfoschemistry/57401673
20:54 < yoleaux> Molecular Motors - Zhen-Gang Wang, National Center for Nanoscience and Technology on Vimeo
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21:26 < heath> not the best title for the talk, more like an overview of dna based research
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