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01:17 < heath> http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/image/image_manifest.json
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05:00 < ThomasEgi> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014483588800745
05:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Substitution%20of%20porphyropsin%20for%20rhodopsin%20in%20mouse%20retina.pdf
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09:30 <@kanzure> beep boop
09:49 < poppingtonic> beep
09:50 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://www.neuro.cjb.net/content/31/14/5540.full
09:50 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/26c76aba93650f6a8ca86d61bb5aa9d.txt
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10:01 <@kanzure> yashgaroth: sup
10:01 < yashgaroth> hoi
10:01 <@kanzure> you see that biocurious is exploding internally?
10:01 < yashgaroth> when's the grand closing ceremony
10:02 <@kanzure> it's being hosted by jojack
10:03 < yashgaroth> well hopefully east bay gets it together soon, so that people have somewhere to almost run gels in the bay area
10:03 <@kanzure> noisebridge is fine for running gels
10:03 <@kanzure> gels are like the most boring thing you could possibly mention
10:03 <@kanzure> oh i get it
10:03 < yashgaroth> mhm
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10:07  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
10:07 < gradstudentbot> When are you going to publish?
10:07 < brownies> biocurious are the guys who couldn't figure out how to charge for memberships right?
10:08 <@kanzure> they do charge, but yeah
10:08 <@kanzure> $100/mo
10:08 <@kanzure> which no biologist can afford because they're all broke
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10:08 < brownies> but they had like 3 people paying, or something?
10:08 <@kanzure> 30. yes.
10:08 < brownies> ah, right. tricky business, selling to poor people.
10:09 <@kanzure> one of the two people running it just quit
10:09 <@kanzure> or.. i think it might be more than 2. but whatever.
10:09 < yashgaroth> biologists can afford that, but not when they have to pay rent in SF
10:10 < yashgaroth> how is diybio detroit coming along btw
10:11 <@kanzure> hush this is the one the feds aren't supposed to know about
10:12 <@kanzure> i think membership fees are a broken model, yadda yadda..
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11:09 < Saal_> Henbest jones and owen 1995 studies in the polyene series conversion of vitamin a1 into vitamin a2
11:15 <@kanzure> yes?
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11:28 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, i think he wanted to ask paperbot to fetch that paper.
11:29  * kanzure shakes his head
11:29 <@kanzure> if this channel is just going to turn into people joining just for paperbot then i don't want to do this anymore
11:30 < brownies> there's other attractions too.
11:30  * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 
11:30 < gradstudentbot> I am busy doing science, go away.
11:30 <@kanzure> AAAAAHHHHHH https://gist.github.com/kanzure/6258965
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12:08 <@kanzure> https://github.com/substack/node-trumpet/pull/17
12:08 <@kanzure> there. that should fix it.
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12:29 <@kanzure> damn. i keep forgetting glybera.
12:36 <@kanzure> d3.js digraph editor http://bl.ocks.org/rkirsling/5001347
12:36 < chris_99> heh thats cool
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12:56 < heath> [12:03:51] <kanzure> oh i get it
12:56 < heath> [12:04:00] <yashgaroth> mhm
12:56 < heath> explain that one
12:56 < yashgaroth> key word was "almost"
12:57 <@kanzure> he was implying biocurious is of limited utility because gels are trivial
12:57 < anannie> I would like to learn clojure any suggestions on how/
12:57 <@kanzure> and/or that biocurious is only good for running gels
12:57 <@kanzure> anannie: just learn java
12:57 < heath> why'd the 2+ of the biocuriuos mangement quit?
12:57 <@kanzure> i don't really recommend clojure. it's just a lisp variant with docstrings that hooks up to the jvm.
12:58 <@kanzure> heath: there was an email. something about nobody helping her.
12:58 < anannie> Java isn't supported for my platform
12:58 <@kanzure> what do you think clojure is?
12:58 < anannie> as in I can't download the sdk
12:58 < anannie> yeah
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12:58 < anannie> it works with the linux version of the Java VM
12:58 <@kanzure> "Clojure is a compiled language - it compiles directly to JVM bytecode"
12:58 <@kanzure> sudo apt-get install openjdk
12:59 < anannie> that is bundled with my netbook
12:59 < anannie> yup
12:59 < anannie> openjdk works
12:59 <@kanzure> okay..?
12:59 < anannie> but not jdk
12:59 < chris_99> what platform do you us anannie
12:59 <@kanzure> you have a baffling intellect
12:59 < chris_99> *use
12:59 < anannie> Ubuntu 11.04 on an asus netbook
12:59 < anannie> kanzure: me?
12:59 < chris_99> so you can get java for that
13:00 < gradstudentbot> Did you do that pset?
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13:00 < anannie> chris_99: tried and it isn't working for some weird reason that I'm unable to debug
13:00 <@kanzure> so openjdk doesn't work?
13:00 < anannie> openjdk works, this doesn't http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html
13:00 <@kanzure> i don't see a reason to use oracle java
13:01 < chris_99> there some odd inconsistencies between them i've found, mainly relating to GUI stuff
13:01 < anannie> kanzure: I'm targeting leJos a java VM for lego NXT they tend to recommend the oracle version
13:02 <@kanzure> lego recommends oracle? ugh
13:02 <@kanzure> how about not using lego?
13:04 < anannie> kanzure: We have been here :) Nope the Lejos project maintainers recommend that not Lego. That said, I prefer Lego for my robotics these days because I get to learn control theory as well as the AI bits. I can't really carry around the hardware needed to make robots out of raw materials in my suitcase
13:05 < chris_99> what are you making?
13:05 < anannie> chris_99: 1 robot every week
13:06 <@kanzure> what about just carrying nothing and rebuilding everywhere?
13:06 <@kanzure> i mean, carrying nothing and making tools is better than carrying some junk that doesn't work
13:10 < anannie> kanzure: That involves a monetary investment at each step and it isn't very possible in my country, but I'm open to suggestions on how I can do this. I hate lego though
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13:20 <@kanzure> you don't need money, just materials
13:20 < anannie> Accessing materials like that is costly down here :)
13:21 <@kanzure> i doubt it. gingery did it just collecting scraps.
13:34 < anannie> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-13541-5_6
13:34 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5e27c1cf3b05333b88cd70e598d8f382.txt
13:34 < anannie> kanzure: I live in India, we don't have such scrap and stuff
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13:42 < cpopell> Clients were happy enough with what we did that we got a follow on, so hooray.
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14:11 < heath> cpopell: some startup you're working i'm guessing, what's the elevator pitch?
14:13 < cpopell> heath: Disruptive analysis and state of science for firms that can't afford to hire emerging tech strategists just for that role.
14:13 < cpopell> That's the goal, but we seem to be grinding on market analysis atm.
14:16 < chris_99> what's disruptive analysis
14:16 < cpopell> Looking at how supply chain, business assumptions, etc. will change based on various research in the pipeline
14:17 < chris_99> aha
14:17 < cpopell> Identifying emerging markets for existing (and new) companies
14:18 < cpopell> you know
14:18 < cpopell> business consultant bullshit
14:25 < anannie> cpopell: Erm first of all that's going to be a heard sell for reasons I'm going to elaborate. Second that business consultant bullshit has a defined ROI which is why they can make out like bandits
14:25 < cpopell> anannie: Currently we're doing contracted market research and doing pretty well.
14:26 < cpopell> Most of this is bill-paying until next step.
14:27 < anannie> cpopell: That's different. That's market research. Quite frankly no one gives a damn about what research is in the pipeline, because unless you're DWave research in the pipeline will impact your business in 20 to 30 years and by then you'll be dead or you would be doing something better
14:27 < cpopell> We're working on some stuff to disprove that-
14:27 < cpopell> there's a lot of research in the pipeline with an implementation horizon of 3-7 years
14:28 < anannie> no one will give you a single dime unless you have a strong ROI and I just don't see the case over here
14:28 < anannie> I'm sorry if I'm being negative, but there's a case for market research
14:28 < anannie> but not a case for "disruptive analysis"
14:28 < anannie> all of that stuff sounds good on a CV and that's just pretty much what it is
14:29 < cpopell> A lot of the market research is helping us build the case for disruptive analysis.
14:30 < cpopell> but that's honestly more a slightly longer term/overarching theme-implementation seems to be more on the start and end point
14:30 < anannie> cpopell: I don't think anything I say right now will convince you. Just try to sell that to actual clients and you'll discover that you're facing an uphill battle
14:30 < cpopell> ie what're labs working on, and what's it mean in terms of global sales
14:30 < cpopell> those are what we're getting most interest in
14:30 < cpopell> anannie: I agree it's an uphill battle completely.
14:31 < anannie> unless you're analyzing *their* labs and telling them that there such and such applications it ain't gonna sell
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15:00 < chris_99> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ecb2/ i figure that could increase my productivity 10 fold
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15:02 <@bkero> Those things.
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15:03 < chris_99> and it runs ARM so i assume it's pretty hackabl
15:03 < chris_99> e
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15:46 < heath> anyone in/around sf need a roommate?
15:57 < cpopell> heath: I know some people who just moved there
15:58 < cpopell> Lemminkainen: thoughts?
15:58 < heath> i might just head there and couch surf awhile
16:02 < cpopell> heath: Lemminkainen will poke you later, he's afk and on his phone
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16:54 < Lemminkainen> heath what's up?
16:55 < Lemminkainen> I'm looking to set up a nanotech-house in West Oakland beginning in October
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17:46 < brownies> a nanotech-house?
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17:50 < Lemminkainen> yar brownies
17:50 < Lemminkainen> TEM and Zetasizer in the garage
17:50 < brownies> is it like a regular house, but extremeley small?
17:50 < brownies> oh ok
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18:19 < heath> Lemminkainen: sold
18:35 < cpopell> Lemminkainen: is that where Dre is going?
18:35 < cpopell> Lemminkainen: and is Felson with you?
18:35 < Lemminkainen> I'm going to Hackistan initially while looking for the right house
18:36 < Lemminkainen> then it'll be Dre, Felson, Sugarbot, Edwin, myself, possibly heath and a JCF
18:36 < cpopell> JCF?
18:36 < cpopell> also, did Patrick drop out of lawschool?
18:37 < heath> hackistan?
18:37 < heath> please say that's a name of a hackerspace
18:37 < heath> i love it
18:37 < Lemminkainen> Hackistan is the name of a hacker co-op
18:37 < heath> nice
18:37 < Lemminkainen> JCF = Wonkerlos
18:38 < Lemminkainen> saight, you ain't yet met him
18:38 < cpopell> I've seen him on FB
18:38 < cpopell> no offense
18:38 < cpopell> but that house is going to be a madhouse
18:38 < Lemminkainen> the hackerspaces in that area are the Crucible, Vulvan, and Sudo Room
18:38 < Lemminkainen> *Vulcan
18:39 < Lemminkainen> although Vulvan is an excellent name for a hackerspace
18:39 < Lemminkainen> cpopell I'm fully aware that it's going to be a madhouse
18:39 < gradstudentbot> Heh, undergrads.
18:40 < cpopell> pbrag is getting married in a month
18:40 < Lemminkainen> may his soul rest easy
18:41 < cpopell> she's...cool
18:41 < cpopell> did some systems bio
18:43 < heath> don't mind me, just doing a whois
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21:29 <@kanzure> beep boop
21:29 < glims1> 2130pst time and all is well
21:29 <@kanzure> reporting in from san jose.
21:35 < glims1> how goes? any interesting projects? i'm researching some eye bioaugments right now...
21:37 <@kanzure> what does "researching" mean.
21:39 < glims1> usually it means reading a bunch of science journal papers and looking for protocols and methods.
21:39 < glims1> i am doing this thing
21:39 <@kanzure> well, if you need a paper, ask paperbot
21:42 < glims1> luckily, i work at a university, so i get proxy'd thru, but thank you for the heads up. i honestly would have had no idea what to do (first time on channel...)
21:42 <@kanzure> most universities do not have access to all journals.
21:42 <@kanzure> in fact, i've tested 1500 of them and none of them do
21:43 <@kanzure> https://raw.github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/master/urls.txt
21:44 < glims1> wow. i've never hit a wall.
21:45 < glims1> hmm, the link you have for my university is not the same as i use in my bookmark bar. but maybe thats just cause i use the bookmark bar
21:46 < glims1> do you have a list of places i _can't_ get a paper?
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21:58 < glims1> regardless, thats an impressive list. i know who i should look to for help if i hit a wall. thank you.
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22:28 < heath> kanzure: i have a friend in san jose, he'd give you a place to stay if needed
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23:09 < AnySomebody> Sponsored by the NRA?
23:09 < AnySomebody> I don't know, if I am willing to participate here if it is sponsored by the NRA
23:10 < AnySomebody> Besides of that, I wanted to know if someone has heard of the open-rTMS project
23:11 <@kanzure> heath: nope, i got a hotel suite. it came with a butler but i sent him home because wtf am i going to do with a butler in a hotel room?
23:11 <@kanzure> AnySomebody: yes, we've heard of open-rtms. what do you want?
23:12 < heath> that would be awkward :)
23:12 < AnySomebody> Perhaps help with compiling it
23:12 <@kanzure> compiling the software?
23:12 < AnySomebody> Yeah
23:12 <@kanzure> i thought it was just a makefile
23:13 < AnySomebody> Yeah, perhaps I'm too stupid for makefiles?
23:13 <@kanzure> uh..
23:13 < AnySomebody> I don't know, I wanted to import it as a project in Eclipse... and then I wanted to include mingw somewhere...
23:13 <@kanzure> i don't recommend eclipse
23:13 < AnySomebody> So, what do you suggest?
23:13 <@kanzure> just use your system shell
23:15 < AnySomebody> Well, I enter trunk/ControlSoftware/src
23:15 < AnySomebody> But no makefile or similar
23:18 < AnySomebody> So, probably I'm just too stupid *g*
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23:18 < heath> paste the contents to gist.github.com
23:18 < heath> strages: ya bastard
23:19 < AnySomebody> Here are the contents: http://sourceforge.net/p/open-rtms/svn/31/tree/trunk/
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23:21 < strages> heath: ?
23:21 < heath> pm
23:21 < heath> was just saying hi
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23:22 < AnySomebody> The author wrote me that it should compile for linux just fine but for windows he has some linking-problem
23:23 < AnySomebody> I really would like to solve that problem but before I need to understand how to compile it all ;)
23:23 < heath> looks like it depends upon wx
23:23 < AnySomebody> Yeah, it does
23:24 < AnySomebody> I installed wxwidgets therefore from aur... but I'm not sure if wxgtk would be also fine
23:24 < heath> you're going to have to do something like g++ Open-rTMS.cpp -o ortms and read messages for this one
23:25 <@kanzure> if it depends on wxwidgets then you should just ignore it completely
23:26 < AnySomebody> Why -o ortms?
23:26 < AnySomebody> Because wxwidgets is shit? *g*
23:26 < heath> AnySomebody: that's an arbitrary name i made up for the compiled file
23:26 < AnySomebody> Ah, ok
23:26 <@kanzure> no, because there's no reason to write software to use a gui for a rtms device
23:27 <@kanzure> the interface should be separate in a different software package
23:27 <@kanzure> -o is for output objects
23:27 < AnySomebody> It is?
23:27 < AnySomebody> I mean, they have a gui and different software for the power pulse generator and so on
23:28 < AnySomebody> Oh, in a different package you meant...
23:28 < AnySomebody> Don't know, the project is not that far progressed...
23:28 < AnySomebody> They even don't know what coils to use
23:28 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure they did, and then they forked to openstim or something
23:28  * kanzure sleeps
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23:30 < AnySomebody> What do you think they did?
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23:33 < AnySomebody> Compilation does not find wxspec.h, but it is located at /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/wxprec.h... how can I show him this directory?
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