--- Log opened Fri Aug 30 00:00:10 2013 00:11 -!- nagoya [~itodashev@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 00:15 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:21 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:25 -!- nicotiana_b [~GuanYu@162.213.194.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:28 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@23.29.114.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:01 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@host86-129-147-111.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:23 < superkuh> paperbot: http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/200/200ra115.full 03:23 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3006373 03:23 < superkuh> paperbot: http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/200/200ra115.full 03:23 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3006373 03:23 < superkuh> paperbot: http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/200/200ra115.full 03:23 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3006373 03:24 < superkuh> Hm. Okay. I thought it might still be one of those non-deterministic response things. 03:40 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:54 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:55 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Client Quit] 04:00 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:02 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:08 -!- weles [~mariusz@wsip-70-183-164-170.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@host86-129-147-111.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-150.flip.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:53 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.111] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/28/6/491 06:18 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c6b57c7665d7322429ea01ad63f6444e.pdf 06:23 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-22-47.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- nicotiana_b [~GuanYu@162.213.194.54] has quit [Quit: до свидания] 06:50 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/976.abstract 06:50 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1238041 06:51 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscience.1238041 06:52 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Poverty%20Impedes%20Cognitive%20Function.pdf 06:52 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3006373 06:53 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/474b090480289a057bd84418f25764ff.txt 06:53 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3006373 06:53 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f88a92ab884051777238f981e4deb91c.txt 06:55 < gradstudentbot> The paper got rejected. 07:10 < poppingtonic> On the poverty+cognitive-performance paper: "Put simply, the laboratory 07:10 < poppingtonic> study, although illustrating the mechanism, does 07:10 < poppingtonic> not show its relevance in natural settings. 07:10 < poppingtonic> " 07:23 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://www.frontiersin.org/Experimental_Pharmacology_and_Drug_Discovery/10.3389/fphar.2013.00104/full 07:24 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Flavonol-rich%20dark%20cocoa%20significantly%20decreases%20plasma%20endothelin-1%20and%20improves%20cognition%20in%20urban%20children.pdf 08:01 < kanzure> why are ROVs/underwater machines always operated by tether? why not drop some submersible relays or something? 08:01 < kanzure> if google gets the air for their balloons then i get the sea for cucumber wifi 08:29 < ParahSailin> ROV? 08:29 < ParahSailin> remote orbital vessel? 08:30 < kanzure> submersible vehicles are called ROVs for some reason 08:31 < ParahSailin> ah remote operated vehicle 08:31 < ParahSailin> i think they might be operated by tether because water is strong attenuator of EM radiation 08:31 < kanzure> yes, but it's not impossible to send a signal through water 08:32 < kanzure> if the problem is that you can't transmit from the surface to the bottom of the ocean then why not just signal to halfway or half of halfway? 08:32 < ParahSailin> well, remember all those frequencies we use for cell phones? those are the same ones we use for MRI or nuking food 08:32 < ParahSailin> they are very strongly absorbed by water 08:33 < ParahSailin> military submarines use very long wavelength radio for that reason 08:33 < kanzure> you could also have your halfway relay node things use tethers to communicate with each other, and then the last mile (probably significantly less than a mile) can be a transmitter 08:34 < kanzure> oh wait, is this one of those things where people would happily use long wavelengths but the FCC tells them not to? 08:34 < kanzure> i mean it's the ocean, who gives a fuck about the FCC? 08:34 < ParahSailin> "VLF radio waves (3–30 kHz) can penetrate seawater to a depth of approximately 20 meters." 08:36 < kanzure> well okay then 08:37 < ParahSailin> if you build a huge transmitter, you can transmit ELF (3-300 Hz) radio to your ROV 08:37 < ParahSailin> but thats one way comm only 08:38 < ParahSailin> you can penetrate hundreds of meters with ELF 09:00 < saturn2> maybe the us navy would be upset rather than the fcc 09:02 < ParahSailin> nah, there are lots of different ELF bands, no chance of interference 09:50 < chris_99> maybe you could use ULF 09:51 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@ilyanfe.infologie.co] has quit [Changing host] 09:51 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh 10:03 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.111] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-22-47.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:47 < poppingtonic> gradstudentbot: oy! 10:47 < gradstudentbot> Sorry, I can't really talk right now because I'm burried in grant writing. 11:07 < kanzure> ugh this is just not friendly https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal/pull/173/commits 11:07 < kanzure> he's had a whole week to submit pull requests 11:07 < kanzure> and he just lands all this at once 11:07 < kanzure> how am i supposed to review all these? 12:30 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@host86-129-147-111.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 < heath> wtf, he should know better, is he doing for spite? 12:49 < heath> +this 12:57 -!- weles [~mariusz@wsip-70-183-164-170.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:33 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:36 < nmz787> so i shined a 405nm laser into the light entrance of the DLP projector the other day and saw a nice image... so I'm gonna try exposing some photoresists 13:43 < kanzure> nmz787: got your email, thanks for the reminder 13:52 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-150.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < nmz787> just talked to genentech's funding dept 14:29 < nmz787> and emailed School Factory about 501c)3 umbrella 14:30 -!- rk[imposter] [~rkimposte@stallman.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:30 < kanzure> what did genentech say? 14:30 < kanzure> less interested in school factory 14:30 < poppingtonic> are you looking for funding for a project? (not that I can provide, I'm just curious :] ) 14:31 < kanzure> he's working on some dna synthesis equipment 14:31 < kanzure> it turns out hard to figure out the right thing to work on for a given chunk of money 14:40 < nmz787> well genentech would probably be for diybio teaching money 14:40 < nmz787> k-12 specifically 14:40 < nmz787> they have pretty specific terms 14:40 < nmz787> http://www.gene.com/good/grants-giving 14:41 < nmz787> even a science project (non philanthropic) has to be a 501(c)3 14:42 < nmz787> they could also be an indian tribe 14:42 < ParahSailin> science project could be an indian tribe? 14:44 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50 < chris_99> how hard is it to make a microfluidic logic gate, like is it a case of acid etching two pieces of glass/plastic somehow? 14:53 < kanzure> you need valves 14:54 < chris_99> for the input to the gates you mean? 14:57 < kanzure> no. a gate is compromised of transistors in electronics. in microfluidics you need valves. 14:57 < kanzure> well, you need a certain arrangement of valves. 15:00 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00 < gradstudentbot> Are there any of those hamster ovaries left? 15:04 < chris_99> is a valve something which opens/closes like a solenoid the microfluidics wiki page doesn't really explain them 15:05 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 < kanzure> chris_99: microfluidics are just like macro fluidics (hahah). you have a pipe with a liquid flowing through it. now what? 15:14 < chris_99> oh right so it's just the pathway 15:14 < kanzure> (the laughter is because laminar flow is very different) 15:15 < chris_99> so i was thinking how hard it'd be to mix colours from an inkjet printer 15:15 < gradstudentbot> Argh, what do you mean you don't accept LaTeX submissions?? 15:16 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23 < chris_99> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxpQyqoukpc looks very impressive 15:23 < chris_99> .title 15:23 < yoleaux> Programmable large area digital microfluidic array with integrated droplet sensing for bioassays - YouTube 15:24 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:31 -!- augur [~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:34 < nmz787> chris_99: digital microfluidics is different yet 15:36 < chris_99> so apparently that uses electrowetting right? does that work with any liquid or only specific ones 15:39 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- UricElf [~ammotins@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47 -!- UricElf [~ammotins@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:06 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- nagoya [~itodashev@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:09 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22 < nmz787> kanzure: yeah I was looking at the 2 channel scopes, they're $329 from Rigol's site, but realistically it's hard to sync 2 2-channel scopes to each other 16:23 < nmz787> s/hard/messy/ 16:35 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@75.111.207.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:4400:b5f5:20a8:3fcc:3abd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- biostudent [~chatzilla@host86-129-147-111.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:23 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-22-47.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45 -!- augur [~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34 < nmz787> cory tobin is a prof now 19:38 < kanzure> that sucks, he could have done so many other things instead. 19:38 < kanzure> what is it? an associate professorship or assistant professorship? 19:41 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:45 < nmz787> dunno 19:45 < nmz787> being a prof could be really sweet actually 19:45 < kanzure> sequestration means there's basically no grant money 19:45 < kanzure> unless he is better than all the other professors in all the other age brackets (who have had projects boiling for multiple decades) 19:50 -!- rk[] is now known as rk[fire] 19:55 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:56 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:01 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:21 < n_bentha> kanzure: what would u have done (other than being a prof)? 20:21 < kanzure> worked on my own projects 20:21 < kanzure> which is what he was doing 20:21 < kanzure> but now he's beholden to grant deadlines and other crap 20:22 < kanzure> it's just unnecessary interference for not much gain 20:33 -!- nagoya [~itodashev@c-76-23-254-105.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 21:02 -!- rk[fire] is now known as rk[] 22:10 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@75.111.207.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Aug 31 00:00:11 2013