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01:41 < jrayhawk> ybit: testing with selective installs of packages from unstable and experimental as needed is usually a good approach.
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01:42 < Urchin[emacs]> hi
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01:43 < jrayhawk> echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf and add appropriate sources to /etc/apt/sources.list and use packagename/unstable or packagename/experimental with aptitude or apt-get
01:43 < jrayhawk> or -t unstable or -t experimental to use a different Default-Release for that one invocation.
01:44 < jrayhawk> being up to date on kernels and xservers is particularly nice
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06:23 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024106605806
06:24 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag3/10.1023/A%253A1024106605806.pdf
06:27 < ParaSa1lin> https://www.google.com/patents/US8137665
06:28 < juri_> ok biohackers, work harder.
06:28 < juri_> my wrist is failing. someone needs to print me a new wrist + forewarm, if i'm to put code out like normal. :/
06:33 < ParaSa1lin> yeah you should take that one pretty seriously
06:33 < FourFire> why is it failing?
06:33  * juri_ chrugs.
06:33 < FourFire> paperbot, http://www.idiom.com/~arkuat/extr/extropy.html
06:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3c80bac07dccb64841df22d6a09743fd.txt
06:33 < juri_> i'm a poor american. i don't get medical care..
06:33 < ParaSa1lin> i find that one of those captain crush spring things is good for strengthening hands to avoid that rsi from typing
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06:34 < ParaSa1lin> might seem counter-intuitive to strain your hand harder to fix it, but high strains are what induces tendons and muscles to heal, not so much light chronic activity
06:35 < juri_> some time ago, i found my hands did not have the strength for normal keyboards. i'm on a laptop keyboard instead.
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06:36 < juri_> gone are the days of ibm clickey keyboards, for me.
06:36 < ParaSa1lin> get a captain crush
06:37 < ParaSa1lin> this N-fix nitrogen fixation system for non-legumes can't be that simple...
06:38 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10529-010-0256-2
06:38 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1007/s10529-010-0256-2.pdf
06:46 < wallmani> paperbot: help
06:46 < wallmani> :(
06:47 < ParaSa1lin> gihub.com/kanzure/paperbot
06:49 < ParaSa1lin> this really seems like a pretty amateurish patent-- theres only one claim
06:54 < ParaSa1lin> is there anyone at a uni that can order acetobacter diazotrophicus?
06:55 < ParaSa1lin> oh i know who to call upon for this
07:03 < sbaugh> Is paperbot related to papermachine? :)
07:03 < gradstudentbot> Where did all my bands go?
07:04 < sbaugh> juri_: have you remapped caps lock yet?
07:14 < juri_> no, i really should. control is so far down there, and i am an emacs/screen user.
07:18 < juri_> next thing you know, i'll be some sellout non-free software user. like MOST OF THE REST OF YOU LAMERS. ;)
07:18 < juri_> er. :)
07:18 < juri_> sorry, wrong channel. wrist has me looking at my keyboard, not the screeen. :)
07:19 < sbaugh> do it immediately, it's really really nice
07:20 < chris_99> remapped it to what sbaugh?
07:21 < sbaugh> chris_99: escape or control, respective to being a vim or emacs user (becoming one of those would be my first anti-RSI tip)
07:22 < FourFire> "some time ago, i found my hands did not have the strength for normal keyboards. i'm on a laptop keyboard instead." that's sad :(
07:22 < chris_99> aha interesting
07:30 < juri_> swapped.
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07:48 < juri_> whomever thought control belonged down there, and caps lock belonged next to the A key should be dipped in a medium grade acid, and rolled in salt.
07:52 < sbaugh> http://www.catonmat.net/images/why-vim-uses-hjkl/lsi-adm3a-full-keyboard.jpg
07:52 < sbaugh> ( http://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys/ )
07:52 < sbaugh> now you know
08:02 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/08/23/1302805110
08:02 < ParaSa1lin> whatevs i used wasd on vim
08:02 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1073%2Fpnas.1302805110
08:03 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1073%2Fpnas.1302805110
08:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Recovery%20of%20a%20top%20predator%20mediates%20negative%20eutrophic%20effects%20on%20seagrass.pdf
08:22 < kanzure> sbaugh: no, paperbot is not related to papermachine
08:23 < gradstudentbot> Hey, that could be your research project.
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08:28 < poppingtonic> neep neep
08:28 < kanzure> yes?
08:32 < poppingtonic> how are the improvements to paperbot going?
08:33 < kanzure> stuck at combining multiple trumpet streams together in node
08:33 < ParaSa1lin> paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/JPROC.2013.2242411
08:33 < kanzure> duplexer() isn't doing what i thought it would do
08:33 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1109/JPROC.2013.2242411.pdf
08:33 < kanzure> https://gist.github.com/kanzure/6258965
08:34 < kanzure> tr.select("title").createStream().pipe(through(function (data) { outstream.queue({"dom": data.toString()}); }))
08:34 < kanzure> dup = duplexer(tr, outstream);
08:34 < kanzure> that technically works but you supposedly want to monitor the html stream for more than just <title>
08:35 < ParaSa1lin> hyperquest, trumpet, through, duplexer, barrage, thats a lot of imports
08:35 < kanzure> duplexer is really tiny
08:35 < kanzure> barrage is unnecessary
08:35 < kanzure> hyperquest is just the request library without the stupid defaults (e.g. pooling is disabled so you can do more than 5 simultaneous requests)
08:35 < kanzure> trumpet is an amazing streaming html parser
08:36 < kanzure> through is also absurdly tiny
08:37 < kanzure> a streaming paperbot is really appealing to me for some reason
08:38 < ParaSa1lin> i guess pull parsing would net you some gains since you are using javascript rather than compiled code
08:39 < kanzure> i think htmlparser2 on npmjs.org is a compiled html parser, but obviously that wont work in zotero or the browser
08:40 < ParaSa1lin> a browser comes with an html parser free
08:42 < kanzure> i don't know if trumpet defaults to sizzle/in-browser-stuff or if it just always uses the sax stuff
08:42 < ParaSa1lin> many browsers have compiled html parsers and some are even optimized
08:44 < kanzure> lately i have been diving into webkit's internals for unrelated reasons
08:47 < ParaSa1lin> what you been doing in there
08:49 < kanzure> poking around at the gobject bindings
08:49 < kanzure> trying to find a flag to make it compile without gtk or qt or any other ui
08:52 < EnLilaSko> paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/pho.2009.2651
08:52 < EnLilaSko> Oh wait
08:53 < kanzure> > "But today [2007] there's an even bigger stink brewing around
08:53 < kanzure> > Dual_EC_DRBG" (...) Dan Shumow and Niels Ferguson showed that the
08:53 < kanzure> > algorithm contains a weakness that can only be described as a backdoor."
08:53 < kanzure> >
08:53 < kanzure> > "There are a bunch of constants -- fixed numbers -- in the standard used
08:53 < kanzure> > to define the algorithm's elliptic curve. These constants are listed in
08:53 < kanzure> > Appendix A of the NIST publication, but nowhere is it explained where
08:53 < kanzure> > they came from."
08:53 < kanzure> >
08:53 < kanzure> > " (...) these numbers have a relationship with a second, secret set of
08:53 < kanzure> > numbers (...). If you know the secret numbers, you can predict the
08:53 < kanzure> > output of the random-number generator after collecting just 32 bytes of
08:53 < kanzure> > its output. (...) you only need to monitor one TLS internet encryption
08:53 < kanzure> > connection in order to crack the security of that protocol. If you know
08:53 < kanzure> > the secret numbers, you can completely break any instantiation of
08:53 < kanzure> > Dual_EC_DRBG."
08:58 < kanzure> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-September/029933.html
09:00 < paperbot> RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded in cmp (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/_weakrefset.py", line 73, in __contains__)
09:01 < ParaSa1lin> nobody subscribes to liebert
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11:34 < streety> kanzure: have you seen the reply to that msg? Nick Mathewson wrote "my suspicion is not that they are cryptographically broken, but that they are deliberately hard to implement correctly" https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-September/029937.html
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13:20 < heath> http://discoproject.org/
13:21 < heath> """Disco is a lightweight, open-source framework for distributed computing based on the MapReduce paradigm. Disco is powerful and easy to use, thanks to Python. """
13:21 < kanzure> http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg12325.html
13:21 < yoleaux> 16:20Z <joepie91> kanzure: to read http://koen.io/2013/09/what-an-e-book-watermark-looks-like/
13:22 < chris_99> cool heath, i'm just writing a lua MapReduce framework atm
13:25 < heath> linked from http://proskurnia.in.ua/blog/2013/01/tools-to-choose-and-use/
13:29 < heath> 54% erlang, 38.6% python
13:30 < chris_99> pythons lack of posix threads is such a shame imo
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14:30 < kanzure> "For the unwashed on the list, Wikipedia (and Der Spiegel) relate the story of (probably) hapless Crypto AG salesman Hans Buehler's 1992 arrest by the Iranian authorities after those allegations came to light, and the fact that Crypto AG paid a $1m ransom for him (but then later billed him for the $1m--you stay classy, Crypto AG)."
14:30 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
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15:22 < kanzure> Elizabeth: hi
15:44 < Elizabeth> Hey
15:44 < Elizabeth> Just ghosting the channel; it was recommended to me by a friend
15:45 < Elizabeth> Whose name on here I'm not sure?
15:45 < Elizabeth> I'll ask him and then I can name drop
15:45 < Elizabeth> Haha
15:50 < nalkri> Wasn't me, just in the interests of full disclosure
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16:18 < kanzure> so much for that
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16:36 < kanzure> "The fact that NSA/CSS has some capabilities against the encryption in TLS/SSL, HTTPS, SSH, VPNs, VoIP, WEBMAIL, and other network communication technologies."
16:37 < kanzure> guess that could mean anything including weak ssh auth
16:37 < kanzure> and they don't say which version of ssh
16:40 < poppingtonic> kanzure: that email, man.
16:42 < poppingtonic> such a shame that the "best" security protocol was designed at a time when export control was still in force, and was never improved afterwards...
16:46 < kanzure> why do hospitals only have machines that make bad sounds? why not power-up sounds and stuff? bling bling bling ("congrats you survived another day")
16:57 < ThomasEgi> cause hospitals are not casinos, and medical devices are no slot machines ?
16:58 < kanzure> yes, i would hope they have a higher success rate
16:59 < kanzure> the cryptpocalypse isn't as fun as i thought it would be
17:01 < kanzure> tianeptine looks like a space ship
17:02 < ThomasEgi> guess it's pretty silly to care about the NSA breaking some crypto when they can access the unencrypted data through things like OS  backdoors.
17:02 < ThomasEgi> still serves the purpose tho.
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19:08 < efm> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6150/1241214
19:08 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1241214
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20:34 < abetusk> just got back from OSH 2013
20:34 < abetusk> First presentation was an open source microfluidic device
20:41 < streety> abetusk: The open hardware summit?
20:41 < streety> I'll have to look out for videos
20:46 < streety> presumably http://microfluidics.utoronto.ca/dropbot/
20:47 < abetusk> that's it
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20:59 < kanzure> was it carlo quinonez?
21:05 < abetusk> I think it was Ryan Fobel
21:05 < abetusk> http://apl.aip.org/resource/1/applab/v102/i19/p193513_s1?isAuthorized=no
21:05 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=doi%3A10.1063%2F1.4807118
21:05 < abetusk> http://microfluidics.utoronto.ca/dropbot/index.html
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