--- Log opened Wed Sep 11 00:00:22 2013 00:00 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@50.121.12.59] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:01 < kanzure> justanotheruser: you might have missed my messages, check the backlog: http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-09-10.log 00:05 < justanotheruser> seems like a mix of science/nanosystems and futurism/engines of creation 00:05 < justanotheruser> referring to http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/ 00:05 < justanotheruser> but a good list of links, very interesting 00:06 < justanotheruser> What are the prerequisites for reading these? I couldn't appreciate nanosystems until I took college physics 00:08 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-75-80-50-28.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12 < justanotheruser> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aLAo0fZrJo 00:24 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@184.75.213.114] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@184.75.213.114] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:24 -!- ParahSai1in [~Rob@50-194-178-148-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:25 -!- spresser [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxxifswmdcrvurqz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:26 -!- spresser [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvnwnidzxoidwdmr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:27 -!- ParahSailin [~Rob@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:41 -!- cogitokat [~kat@ip70-171-0-190.ga.at.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:23 < nmz787> .title 01:23 < yoleaux> Cold Warning - Kinematic Self Replicating Machine - YouTube 01:31 -!- FourFire1 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paperbot: http://www.mdpi.com/1424-2818/5/3/680/pdf 09:40 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/82bb5c63c6f6e4cef83dd18ec73d7316.pdf 09:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:14 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@74.45.126.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:27 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:27 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:33 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@156-30-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@pal-178-020.itap.purdue.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 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I have a question 11:26 < kanzure> sup 11:27 < kanzure> also: don't ask to ask 11:27 < kanzure> also: if you have failure here then try #biology or ##bioinformatics 11:28 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 < anannie> Well the thing is that I'm having an argument with not so erudite scholars that we don't actually understand genetics as well as we like to think we do. We do not understand how networks of genes work to arise complex traits, what the "junk DNA" bits are, we don't know why spicing works as well as it does and saying that we will create a completely artificial life from *scratch* is just fool... 11:29 < anannie> ...hardy at this point there's a lot of work to be done 11:30 < anannie> Am I right or wrong? 11:30 < kanzure> spicing? 11:30 < anannie> * splicing 11:30 < anannie> sorry the L key is sorta broken 11:31 < kanzure> "artificial life from scratch" depends on what you mean by "from scratch" 11:31 < kanzure> do you think "copying a dna molecule with a dna polymerase enzyme, except using man-made nucleotides that don't match nucleotides in nature, that still happens to be usable to build other enzmyes" counts as "from scratch" ? 11:31 < anannie> think individual base pairs from scratch and evolving a completely new form of life 11:31 < anannie> that's crazy 11:31 < kanzure> dna doesn't create life. in particular there's no way to bootstrap a cell membrane from a dna molecule. 11:32 < anannie> yes 11:32 < kanzure> but why do you care, again? 11:32 < kanzure> is he trying to argue that gibson asembly is fake, or what? 11:32 < anannie> I do because I got into this idiotic argument and I like being right 11:34 < anannie> I don't think he knows about the gibson assembly 11:34 < anannie> he just thinks that we're 30 to 40 years from Strong AI and what not 11:35 < anannie> I know science seems strong and awesome from the outside, but there's a lot of real work to be done 11:36 < sbaugh> Science seems weak and inefficient even from the outside, could be doing a lot better 11:38 < anannie> sbaugh: the layman reads these news saying that we'll be assembling bacteria soon or whatever and they believe it's going to happen the next day 11:38 < anannie> it's never that easy 11:40 < kanzure> what does "assembling bacteria" mean? 11:40 < anannie> I have no clue 11:40 < kanzure> okay. it's better to use specific terminology so that we can talk about real things. 11:40 < anannie> he spouted that and I tried very hard not to laugh 11:40 < sbaugh> Yes okay, I was talking about hobbyist or dilettante looking at academia 11:40 < kanzure> so, personally, i think craig has been doing a disservice by calling it "artificial life" just because of chromosome-length dna assembly 11:41 < kanzure> most people would associate artificial life with something that doesn't involve culturing pre-existing organisms 11:41 < kanzure> but whatever, it's his PR nightmare 11:41 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:42 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 < FourFire> " anannie: he just thinks that we're 30 to 40 years from Strong AI and what not" tell your friend that Super Intelligent AI is mostly likely not for a good fifty years or so 11:48 < FourFire> As for "new lifeforms from scratch" ... yeah that really depends on how you define it 11:49 < anannie> FourFire: I told him that we don't know the algorithms to do strong AI neither do we know if current hardware is capable of non-linear decision making 11:49 < FourFire> we have technically had useable artifical organisms since the 70s 11:51 -!- FourFire1 [~FourFire@45-3-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 < FourFire1> yeah, the hardware doesn't really matter as much, as does the algorithms do 11:52 < FourFire1> if we could have the algorithms today for strong AI we could probably run it on today's hardware and get an out of control AI 11:52 < anannie> yup 11:53 < FourFire1> the AI problem requires two things: brute force like hard work 11:53 < FourFire1> and magical insight and inspiration 11:53 < FourFire1> you can graph the first, but not the second 11:54 < kanzure> can you two go to lesswrong to talk about that, they eat that crap up 11:54 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@156-30-212.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54 < kanzure> i mean #lesswrong specifically 11:54 < FourFire1> yeah anannie come to #LessWrong if you'd like to discuss AI 11:54 < kanzure> your arguments about strong ai are weak and uninformed 11:55 < kanzure> so get the hell out :) 11:55 -!- FourFire1 is now known as FourFire 11:55 < anannie> kanzure: I'm not arguing anything. Just that if we knew the algorithms and had that magic we could probably do it right now and it's non-trivial and we don't even know how to get there 11:56 < kanzure> that doesn't matter if your concern is "out of control" 11:56 < kanzure> because we already have a lifeform that is reasonably intelligent (humans) that are currently out of control (you do not control them, thus it's "out of control") 11:56 < anannie> I don't care about that. The chances of that happening are equivalent to the chances of me building a 747 in my backyard accidentally 11:56 < kanzure> what is accidental about it 11:57 < anannie> Most scenarios involve that 11:57 < anannie> that we somehow stumble across something 11:57 < anannie> and we do that 11:57 < kanzure> sigh 11:57 < kanzure> basically you're saying that because humans exist and are smart, you should murder all of them because they're out of control 11:57 < kanzure> i don't entirely buy that argument 11:57 < anannie> I don't either 11:57 < kanzure> it has nothing to do with building a 747 11:57 < kanzure> people make humans all the time 11:58 < anannie> I'm not talking about anything like that all I care about is building one someday 11:58 < anannie> You're comparing me to the lesswrong crowd that just talks all day long and doesn't do anything practical beyond writing dissertations 11:58 < kanzure> my point is that you're wrong about "the algorithms" being the only requirement for an "out of control" situation 11:58 < gradstudentbot> None of my experiments are working. 11:58 < kanzure> no i am not comparing you to lesswrong, what the fuck 11:59 < kanzure> i didn't even say that 11:59 < anannie> Ah okay 11:59 < anannie> sorry 11:59 < kanzure> 11:52 < FourFire1> if we could have the algorithms today for strong AI we could probably run it on today's hardware and get an out of control AI 11:59 < kanzure> you already have people that exist that are "out of control" 11:59 < gradstudentbot> Do I have to go through the IRB for that? 11:59 < kanzure> yes 12:01 < anannie> what are you trying to say... I'm pretty sure we agree on something, but I don't know what that thing is :) 12:01 < gradstudentbot> So, I'll let you have my reagents when I'm done with my project. 12:03 < kanzure> i don't know what you want from me right now 12:04 * anannie doesn't either 12:04 < anannie> This is weird 12:04 < anannie> sorry if I wasted your time 12:05 < FourFire> kanzure the human race is limited by our biology in our ability to conprehend and process information, if you had the action potential (not neurons) of a human being thinking at the speed of a computer... it's More out of control 12:05 < FourFire> and if you have a super fast thinking human mind which can control robots and roam the internet... 12:06 < kanzure> you don't need big computers to do terrible things 12:06 < kanzure> big computers certainly help though 12:07 < FourFire> yeah, so terrible things happen faster... which is bad 12:07 < kanzure> in terms of your behavior, you shouldn't behave differently if you believe that a human will blow up the earth or an ai-- your solution will generally be the same (don't be on earth) (or kill all humans/machines) (one of these is easier) 12:08 < FourFire> don't be on earth might be risky in the long term 12:08 < kanzure> whatever, it was an example 12:09 < FourFire> also have you seen http://everything2.com/title/How+to+destroy+the+Earth ? 12:10 < kanzure> my favorite methods involve the moon 12:14 < FourFire> haha 12:14 < ParahSai1in> i just wont let the ai out of the box 12:14 < ParahSai1in> easy solution 12:17 < FourFire> ParahSai1lin yes... about that 12:18 < FourFire> I'm currently personally aware of 13 AI-Box experiments and of those, four resulted in the AI being let out 12:19 < ParahSai1in> i beat yudkowsky in aibox once 12:19 < FourFire> good for you! what were the stakes? 12:20 < ParahSai1in> earth 12:20 < FourFire> pretty high stakes I'd say 12:43 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:54 < sbaugh> I love gradstudentbot 12:54 < gradstudentbot> I feel like you don't completely comprehend the scope of this work. 12:56 < kanzure> most poeple go for paperbot 13:34 -!- efm is now known as efm_ 13:38 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 13:38 < gradstudentbot> If you aren't busy, could you coauthor this paper with me? 13:38 < brownies> gradstudentbot: sure. 13:38 < brownies> oh, that shut him up. 13:39 < gradstudentbot> Who the hell stole my pipette? 13:39 -!- efm_ is now known as efm 13:41 < kanzure> brownies: sometimes he is busy doing science and he takes a while to respond 13:44 * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 13:44 < gradstudentbot> When are you going to publish? 13:44 < brownies> kanzure: "science"? likely story. 13:45 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:45 < kanzure> smeaaagle: hi 14:05 < FourFire> Stand back... 14:06 < FourFire> I'm going to try *Science* 14:06 < kanzure> smeaaagle: aren't you from #veekun? 14:07 -!- makoLime [~mako@103-9-42-150.flip.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31 -!- EnLilaSko [~Nattzor@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- efm is now known as efm_ 15:22 -!- efm_ is now known as efm 15:30 < kanzure> ugh google alerts has switched me back to html format apparently 15:31 < kanzure> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-hallambaker-prismproof-req-00.txt 15:36 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-22-47.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44 -!- efm is now known as efm_ 15:49 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.104] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 -!- rk[wrkwrkwrk] is now known as ryankarason 16:14 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@198.150.12.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- panax [~panax@68.200.160.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- efm_ is now known as efm 16:20 -!- pan4x [~panax@68.200.160.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20 -!- pan4x [~panax@68.200.160.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- panax [~panax@68.200.160.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@90.206.170.141] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.5.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 < superkuh> paperbot: http://pop.aip.org/resource/1/phpaen/v20/i5/p055501_s1 16:37 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1063/1.4807033.pdf 16:38 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 -!- pan4x [~panax@68.200.160.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:08 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@45-3-212.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:16 -!- anannie [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/anannie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:19 < n_bentha> stupid machine...i ran a virtual machine on it w/ win xp, installed the nanodrop 1000 software, and then tried to get it to work, but it wouldn't discover the nanodrop >.< 17:23 < kanzure> did you expose the interface to the vm 17:25 < n_bentha> yes 17:46 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer] 17:48 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-75-80-50-28.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@198.150.12.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:26 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:46 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:48 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-44c01f50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-112-212-230.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 -!- nicotiana_b [~GuanYu@184.75.213.114] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 -!- nicotiana_b [~GuanYu@184.75.213.114] has quit [Client Quit] 19:59 -!- randalla1ordon [~randall@75-164-194-193.ptld.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- randallagordon [~randall@71-38-159-39.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:33 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@63.142.161.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:33 < justanotheruser> Hello 20:34 < kanzure> hi 20:34 < justanotheruser> kanzure: what news source would you reccomend for transhumanism and nanotech related topics 20:35 < kanzure> the best way to predict the future is to invent it 20:35 < kanzure> everything else is ignorable 20:35 < kanzure> i was highly involved in hplusmagazine for a while and i regret every second of it 20:35 < kanzure> although if you absolutely must have a news source then i recommend transhumantech on postbiota.org 20:36 < justanotheruser> Well did you dislike the magazine because they speculated? 20:37 < kanzure> there are lots of reasons to dislike the magazine 20:37 < kanzure> i'd rather not spread the dirt 20:37 < justanotheruser> Also it looks like postbiota removed thier homepage 20:37 < justanotheruser> I see 20:37 < kanzure> homepages were never cool anyway 20:37 < kanzure> http://google.com/search?q=transhumantech+postbiota.org 20:37 < justanotheruser> lol 20:38 < kanzure> http://postbiota.org/mailman/listinfo/tt 20:38 < justanotheruser> Thanks 20:38 < kanzure> http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/ 20:38 < kanzure> in general, futurism news is terrible and should be avoided at all costs 20:38 < kanzure> if you want biology stuff on the ground, try https://groups.google.com/group/diybio 20:38 < gradstudentbot> Let's pour a bunch of chemlights into a spinner flask and claim it's luminescent e.coli. 20:39 < justanotheruser> Well is it futurism news? I want news about scientific discoveries and creations 20:39 * brownies pokes gradstudentbot 20:39 < gradstudentbot> Don't you have anything better to be doing? 20:40 < kanzure> scientific discovery news is all spun from university PR departments 20:40 < kanzure> if you read the papers after a while you notice a trend that they just lie to you in the news 20:41 < justanotheruser> Yeah I was hoping there was an outlier somewhere though. 20:41 < kanzure> hm, sorry. maybe try #reddit or something. they like news. 20:42 < kanzure> btw did you want me to dig up that mediawiki stuff? i forget if you were just asking, or needed it from me. 20:42 < justanotheruser> You want me to go to reddit for news that isn't "spun"? 20:43 < justanotheruser> /r/science finds a cure for cancer weekly 20:43 < gene_hacker> read the damn journal papers not the press release 20:43 < kanzure> the context is that i hate reddit 20:43 < kanzure> and i hate news 20:43 < kanzure> so i was telling you to go to reddit to get the two things i hate 20:43 < kanzure> sorry if that wasn't clear 20:43 < justanotheruser> oh, makes sense loll 20:43 < kanzure> oh cool hi gene_hacker 20:43 < gene_hacker> hey 20:43 < kanzure> sup 20:44 < gene_hacker> didn't you say you did stuff with nanorex at some point? 20:44 < kanzure> i have been doing some python things against nanorex/nanoengineer for the past few years yes 20:44 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer 20:44 < kanzure> btw i've been working on some python bindings to brlcad. i was going to tell matt when they were ready but since you're here... they work. 20:45 < kanzure> and brlcad has nurbs support now 20:45 < gene_hacker> is brlcad fast? 20:46 < kanzure> it is very fast 20:46 < gene_hacker> gpu fast? 20:46 < kanzure> yes it also has custom gpu raytracers iirc 20:46 < kanzure> (they like raytracers a lot, so they care about performance) 20:46 < gene_hacker> for the the geometric operations 20:47 < kanzure> their geometric operations by default are implicit operations 20:47 < kanzure> i am going to be doing some python performance tests soon, i want to see how much overhead python adds 20:48 < kanzure> so i will be doing things like a million intersections and see how long it takes etc 20:48 < gene_hacker> and it has all the nice CAD kernel stuff right? 20:48 < kanzure> yes 20:48 < kanzure> it's written in a very clean and understandable way 20:49 < gene_hacker> and it doesn't suck like opencascade does? 20:49 < gene_hacker> guess I'll have to try it out 20:49 < kanzure> it "sucks" in a few ways, like their UI is tcl/tk 20:49 < kanzure> but you don't have to use the GUI 20:49 < gene_hacker> who cares, you've got a CAD kernel, make your own GUI 20:50 < kanzure> i like your attitude 20:51 < gene_hacker> now you wouldn't happen to know Toth-Fejel would you? 20:51 < gene_hacker> heard he's on the nanorex project 20:51 < kanzure> checking 20:51 < kanzure> Tihamer Toth-Fejel: [society of manufacturing engineers, foresight institute, nanomanufacturing, nanotech] 20:52 < gene_hacker> yeah that's him 20:52 < kanzure> http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/883Toth-Fejel.pdf 20:52 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20060328094811/http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/images/stories/portraits/toth-fejel.jpg 20:52 < gene_hacker> yup 20:52 < kanzure> stalking level: master 20:52 < gene_hacker> and what sort of work are you doing for nanorex? 20:53 < kanzure> nanorex died in 2009 when mark stopped dumping in money 20:53 < kanzure> i picked up nanoengineer on my own because i didn't want it to die and vanish 20:53 < gene_hacker> oh that's too bad 20:53 < kanzure> so everything on https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer is volunteer resuscitation 20:53 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev 20:54 < gradstudentbot> If you help me, I'll put you on the paper. 20:54 < heath> http://i.imgur.com/J5vNDfU.png 20:54 < justanotheruser> lol gradstudentbot 20:54 < gradstudentbot> Wasn't there a paper about that? 20:54 < kanzure> gene_hacker: here's an example of using the C API for brlcad... https://github.com/kanzure/brlcad/blob/master/src/proc-db/wdb_example.c 20:54 < gene_hacker> it'd really help if someone would go out and verify diamonoid mechanosynthesis once and for all 20:56 < heath> gene_hacker, omg, gene_hacker 20:56 < gene_hacker> yeah it's me 20:58 < heath> what have you bene up to, sir? 20:58 < gradstudentbot> Oh, that's problematic. 20:59 < gene_hacker> research mainly 20:59 < heath> what are you studying? 21:00 < gene_hacker> Mechanical engineering 21:00 < gene_hacker> so more or less everything 21:00 < heath> hm. that's all i've got for now, i needed to check a few things on the internets before calling it a night 21:00 < heath> i'll pester you with questions later 21:00 * heath waves gn 21:01 < gene_hacker> also looking for people who are doing self-replicating system research 21:01 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: what are you studying? 21:01 < gradstudentbot> I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. 21:02 < justanotheruser> gradstudentbot help 21:02 < gradstudentbot> Wow, I'm definitely not including this data in the paper. 21:02 < justanotheruser> So does he only say random phrases when he's highlighted? 21:02 < klafka> ugh 21:03 < kanzure> more or less... yes. 21:03 < kanzure> but he also pipes up on his own 21:03 < gene_hacker> that's funny 21:03 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: how's the paper going? 21:03 < gradstudentbot> Wasn't there a paper about that? 21:06 < gene_hacker> gradstudentbot can I be coauthor? 21:06 < gradstudentbot> How many papers do you have published? 21:07 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: i've coauthored many papers 21:07 < gradstudentbot> The paper got rejected. 21:07 < gene_hacker> gradstudent bot I have published 2,147,483,648 papers 21:07 < gene_hacker> gradstudentbot I have published 2,147,483,648 papers 21:07 < gradstudentbot> Right, I just finished coauthoring a related manuscript. 21:07 < kanzure> he's a fairly accurate emulation of a graduate student 21:08 < sbaugh> "fairly"? 21:08 < sbaugh> he'd pass the graduate-student-Turing-test 21:10 < justanotheruser> gradstudentbot: what do you know about robotic arms 21:10 < gradstudentbot> Someone stole my pipette. 21:10 < kanzure> hah 21:10 < kanzure> it's funny because robotic arms often hold pipettes 21:11 < sbaugh> or perhaps.. steal pipettes? dun dun dun 21:12 < justanotheruser> I feel like cleverbot could pass the 12-year-old turing test 21:13 < kanzure> klafka: sup ? 21:13 < klafka> building a fraud algorithm 21:14 < kanzure> was there one present before? 21:14 < gene_hacker> that's one approach to passing the turing test actually: 21:14 < gene_hacker> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-06/chatbot-posing-13-year-old-wins-largest-ever-turing-test 21:14 < klafka> no 21:14 < kanzure> klafka: hahaha 21:14 < klafka> i mean 21:14 < kanzure> klafka: oh man 21:14 < klafka> yes 21:14 < klafka> a very robust one 21:14 < kanzure> i see i see 21:14 < klafka> don't try and defraud us 21:14 < kanzure> of course there was 21:15 < kanzure> klafka: good luck, though 21:16 < klafka> i have some things that work 21:22 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@cpe-70-112-212-230.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@184.75.213.114] has quit [Quit: до свидания] 22:48 < juri_> kanzure: write it as something so standalone, that it is easy to integrate. 22:50 < juri_> prepare to do some sort of exchanges using remote procedure calls, including for authentication. make the EMRs come to you. there is no universal pluging system, beause each system ends up with 20+ ways to 'plug in'. 22:51 < juri_> oh, and log every change everywhere, for HIPPA purposes. 22:51 < juri_> (two Ps? 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