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09:36 < EnLilaSko> http://gizmodo.com/how-to-use-a-laser-pointer-to-turn-your-iphone-into-a-m-1448478994
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10:06 < kanzure> Dantespeaks: the "3 laws of robotics" are bullshit, brains still work without them.
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11:16 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.270.5243.1804
11:16 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d94c9092db88a76d1044e6fc8f74ebfc.txt
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12:22 < archels> kanzure: there's a bit of a game-theoretic aspect to them though
12:23 < archels> the selfish gene for robots
12:24 < archels> if a robot decides to kill all humans, it is certain to incur our wrath and face near certain destruction
12:24 < archels> thus, it is in its best interest to look after the interests of humans
12:25 < kanzure> huh?
12:25 < kanzure> "genes"
12:26 < kanzure> in my mind when you say robot i think "human or robot" and as far as i know humans are not presently restricted by known physics to "the 3 laws"
12:26 < kanzure> so therefore your argument is bullshit
12:27 < ua> archels, why you think that anyone would made a robot that isn't just uber slave?
12:27 < kanzure> what?
12:28 < kanzure> that's like asking "why you think that anyone would make a human that isn't just uber slave?"
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12:28 < ua> yes and most of them are lol
12:28 < ua> learn, get a job, work, eat shift fuck die
12:28 < n_bentha> what else tis there to do?
12:28 < kanzure> so you consider "doing things" to be slavery?
12:29 < kanzure> i hate all of you
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12:29 < ua> kanzure, wanna irchug?
12:29 < kanzure> fuck off
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12:29 < ua> kanzure, I'm sorry
12:29 < n_bentha> could always get baked and go snowboarding?
12:29 <@kanzure> i don't care, stop being an idiot
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12:35 < archels> kanzure: no, but humans are restricted, or at least shaped, by these game-theoretic considerations
12:36 < archels> but yes this assumes that 'gene selfishness' extends to 'meme selfishness'
12:36 < archels> which I deem plausible
12:39 < archels> of course if we are of no value whatsoever to the robots, the argument does not hold
12:40 < archels> but I don't think many people here hold, say, Kurzweil's ETA for the singularity anyway.
12:45 <@kanzure> archels: humans can have all sorts of mental problems that can lead them to ignore those "game-theoretic considerations". i don't see your point.
12:46 <@kanzure> *see your point as valid
12:50 < archels> my point is that sociopaths have a diminished reproductive fitness, be they robotic or human
12:51 < archels> it even seems to hold for bankers, in the long run!
12:51 < archels> :)
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12:54 < ua> archels, how is not being bound by the rules everyone plays by diminishing?
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13:04 < archels> because either you are not extracting the maximum possible value from your fellow man (in terms of economy/trade) and/or you are pissing him off, increasing your chances of being lynched or ending up in jail
13:06 < ua> not being bound by rules =/= breaking every rule
13:06 < ua> but it certainly opens up possibilies for extracting value
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17:07 < superkuh> paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/pop/20/8/10.1063/1.4816669
17:07 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Scitation%3A%20The%20magnetospheric%20clock%20of%20SaturnA%20self-organized%20plasma%20dynamo.txt
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17:55 < bertmy> paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/jbm.a.10057
17:55 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3e61d45bd8f55b286fc0e7eb5f426009.txt
18:06 <@kanzure> bertmy: hi
18:17 < bertmy> kanzure: howdy
18:17 < bertmy> paperbot  http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/adma.200401960
18:18 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9fe3e00ba574b95672e4f888cc9cd511.txt
18:20 <@kanzure> bertmy: what brings you around?
18:21 < bertmy> kanzure: trying to figure out how to modify silica nanoparticles with PEG
18:22 <@kanzure> i know a few people with experience in exactly that
18:22 <@kanzure> state your questions and i can get some answers if i rough up a few feathers..
18:30 < bertmy> What are a few synthetic methods to react polyethylene glycol with silica particles in order to coat them?
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18:32 < bertmy> paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/1097-4636%2820000905%2951:3%3C343::AID-JBM7%3E3.0.CO;2-D
18:32 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d6a59a13ddf5fc7c8d0828c24f0f611.txt
18:33 < bertmy> paperbot does not like Wiley.com
18:42 <@kanzure> paperbot is not omnipotent
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19:09 < bertmy> paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/la00019a045
19:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Ellipsometry%20Studies%20of%20the%20Self-Assembly%20of%20Nonionic%20Surfactants%20at%20the%20Silica-Water%20Interface%3A%20Equilibrium%20Aspects.txt
19:09 < bertmy> striking out
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21:59 < tentative8eacon> what does paperbot do?
21:59 < tentative8eacon> it cant just be to display a webpage as text, right?
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22:37 <@kanzure> tentative8eacon: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
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22:43 < tentative8eacon> ty
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23:42 < Dantespeaks> if this channel is sponsored by NRA = assuming it's the national rifle association, could i ask questions about making guns?
23:43 < Dantespeaks> as long as you dont produce it, is it legal to design i wonder.
23:44 < Dantespeaks> i had thought, if this is possible, a revolver based rifle with a pump action
23:44 < Dantespeaks> as a cocking mechanism. is it mechanically possible?
23:57 < Zhwazi> Yes.
23:57 < Zhwazi> I don't know of it ever having been done.
23:57 < Zhwazi> Part of the good thing about a revolver is that the trigger pull can do all of the cocking needed.
23:58 < Zhwazi> There are revolver-based rifles, and there are pump-action rifles, but I know of nothing that combines the two.
23:58 < Zhwazi> The pump-action rifles feed from non-rotary magazines, usually tubular or box magazines.
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