--- Log opened Wed Oct 23 00:00:02 2013
01:10 < archels> nmz787, abetusk: "if you move, the perspective moves" so how can it work with more than one player at a time?
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01:20 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1186/gb-2013-14-10-r115
01:20 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ec86d2402a99724039817009248f15eb.txt
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01:47 < archels> .title
01:47 < archels> oh
01:55 < ua> http://i.imgur.com/DHaHB8F.jpg petri dish on human scale
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07:00 < archels>  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zowi/xowi-the-worlds-first-personal-voice-companion-bad
07:00 < archels> ge
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12:06 <@kanzure> DEA7TH: hi
12:07 < DEA7TH> hello, kanzure
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12:19 < ParahSailin> hi
12:20 <@kanzure> sup
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12:24 < fenn> still alive
12:26 < fenn> archels: for castAR, the reflection is highly directional; a person standing next to you might see an image, but not if separated by a large angle
12:27 < archels> so you can only project on special materials?
12:27 <@kanzure> fenn: i was going to start bugging you by phone to test your heartbeat
12:27 < fenn> lub dub
12:28 < fenn> archels: it would be too dim to see without the retro-reflective material, but there's an attachment for the glasses to redirect the beam into your eyes
12:29 < fenn> kinda hacky but i don't see any better way to do it
12:29 < archels> ahh okay. makes sense
12:29 < fenn> also i don't really get why tracking position requires an ASIC
12:29 < archels> lag, maybe
12:30 < fenn> i could see why you might need something special for markerless tracking, but not if it's just IR blob detection
12:30 < archels> so what do you think of this? isn't a bit pointless when we have glasses that project onto our eyes rather than the world?
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12:31 < fenn> the FOV of most video glasses sucks, and the resolution also sucks, and they aren't designed with hackers in mind
12:31 < fenn> er, but the castAR attempts to solve these problems
12:32 <@kanzure> my brain has been rotting in san jose please save me
12:32 < fenn> i think the focus on dungeons and dragons is a bit misguided
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12:34 < fenn> also the lead time of one year is hard to swallow
12:36 < archels> I'll take this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFMjMt_oGo
12:36 < ParahSailin> .title https://www.nanoporetech.com/about-us/for-customers
12:37 < fenn> VRD's have been around for decades now but impossible to buy - has anyone actually got one?
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12:43 < DEA7TH> URD?
12:45 < fenn> also i call bullshit on labeling it a VRD at all, since it's just a DMD chip from a projector the focus will be in a single plane
12:46 < fenn> unless it has some gee whiz optical tracking system that automatically adjusts the focus with your eye
12:47 < fenn> since it looks like the avegant glasses are designed to watch movies, it probably doesn't matter
12:50 < DEA7TH> I tried Googling URD and it returned nothing
12:50 < fenn> get a better font
12:50 < fenn> or have your eyes checked :P
12:50 < fenn> VRD = virtual retinal display
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12:52 < DEA7TH> yeah I should change mirc
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14:56 < nmz787> fenn: seems like the ASIC was doing the actual video processing, and Jeri mentioned it would likely be a metallized gate array, so I think that just means they'll buy unpackaged dies from other manufacturers, then package those dies into a single ASIC... so it's a space saving measure it seems
14:57 < ParahSailin> an asic is a discrete die
14:59 < nmz787> that's not what the name says
14:59 < ParahSailin> ?
14:59 < nmz787> i mean, do you hav a reference for that
15:00 < ParahSailin> .google ASIC
15:01 < nmz787> you don't seem very interested in defending your point
15:01 < ParahSailin> no i dont
15:04 < nmz787> i guess these are a bit different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit#Gate-array_design  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-chip_module
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15:25 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0167-4838(93)90070-8
15:25 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b1e991ae485463d00cce3658dcdbbc6f.txt
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15:48 < DEA7TH> Is there any low-hanging fruit I am probably not aware of because it is not very socially acceptable, similar to nootropics?
15:49 < DEA7TH> I'm a bit new to this group
15:50 < nmz787> depends on your background/experience/skills and goals/interests
15:51 < DEA7TH> My end goals aren't directly reachable and probably won't be in the next few decades.
15:52 < DEA7TH> An intermediate goal of mine which is very close to the end goals is to have humanity reach technological singularity in a planned, controlled and successful way.
15:53 < nmz787> what do you mean by singularity?
15:53 < DEA7TH> build a self-modifying artificial general intelligence which will hopefully result in an intelligence explosion
15:55 < nmz787> could have some kids and teach them
15:55 < nmz787> then you'd fulfill that goal using yourself
15:55 < DEA7TH> not sure what you mean, but brains are too messed up and people cannot currently modify brains, not even understand them well
15:56 < nmz787> otherwise seems like you might start by getting a degree/equivalent education in electrical engineering and computer science
15:56 < DEA7TH> a hardware-based intelligence will more easily understand and modify itself
15:56 < nmz787> and bioteech and physics and chemsitry and sociology
15:56 < nmz787> biology is hardware
15:56 < DEA7TH> yes, I was about to say my other intermediate goals
15:56 < nmz787> when you teach a kid you modify it's brain
15:57 < nmz787> aren't brains still more efficient per watt computationally than silicon?
15:57 < DEA7TH> Minimizing risk of death, learning things, possibly earning money.
15:57 < DEA7TH> I'm not sure, I don't know how people measure bandwidth
15:58 < nmz787> if quantum computers can beat brains, then i'd say start working on quantum computing
15:58 < DEA7TH> I've seen some very gross assumptions, like that from a message from a neuron to another (as the result of a spike) is 1 byte
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16:09 < ThomasEgi> DEA7TH, one bit would be more precise than 1 byte (as a byte is tradittionally considered 8 bit wide). but even that it's more like 1 baud instead of a bit.
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16:19 < nmz787> DEA7TH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation#Relationship_to_biology
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16:43 < DEA7TH> hm, I thought they vary
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17:17 < fredox> thats a terrible oversimplification
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21:46 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/80701230e1a8e775046a1dd85151b7fb.txt
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