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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1359005/ 04:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Evolutionary%20attempts%20at%204%20eyes%20in%20vertebrates..pdf 04:54 < kyknos_> paperbot: http://www.asihcopeiaonline.org/doi/abs/10.1643/CE-12-125 04:54 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8e240502b44eed4afefc5c55ee24b3e3.txt 05:08 < Tukotih_> kyknos_: lol, nice paper 05:28 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 < kyknos_> paperbot: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pfeil-verlag.de%2F04biol%2Fpdf%2Fief23_4_02.pdf&ei=P_N0UtrmEYurhAfjwoGQAw&usg=AFQjCNFUNNykKdnAzIDnXH3sUpiV5fR8Ow&sig2=BFC8LrJm0K3d-rtDrJcNEg&bvm=bv.55819444,d.ZG4 05:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d6ffc91ed1dae20e8a6f3e8d575e8f75.txt 05:51 -!- kyknos_ 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typing thing, http://phoboslab.org/ztype/ i got to level 35 10:45 <@kanzure> oh it's because j looks like i 11:02 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:8200:312e:98bc:c2aa:9295] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 < rigel> there used to be a vi-teaching video game 11:09 < rigel> i cant seem to find it 11:13 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@pool-173-54-39-52.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: -=DUNE=-] 11:18 <@kanzure> rigel: vitutor 11:28 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:8200:312e:98bc:c2aa:9295] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:8200:312e:98bc:c2aa:9295] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:32 <@kanzure> i wonder why cad seems so difficult. it's just a bunch of shapes and transformations.. what could be hard about this? 11:32 < abetusk> kanzure, user interface is non-trivial 11:33 <@kanzure> not even thinking about UI 11:33 < abetusk> ...openscad 11:33 <@kanzure> openscad sucks 11:33 <@kanzure> they wrote their own language and i hate them for this 11:33 < abetusk> simple language that does what you want for simple things 11:33 < abetusk> why? 11:33 <@kanzure> no it doesn't do what i want, fuck you 11:33 <@kanzure> i don't even think it's turing complete at this point 11:33 < abetusk> yes, that is true 11:34 < abetusk> well...maybe 11:34 < abetusk> TM equivalence is pretty easy 11:34 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-2-97-231-27.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:34 <@kanzure> but why would cad require a new language! these two are completely unrelated. 11:34 < abetusk> you were just lamenting how it was hard to do anything in existing CAD software 11:34 <@kanzure> no 11:34 <@kanzure> i was lamenting how cad seems difficult to write 11:34 <@kanzure> the engines 11:35 <@kanzure> like this: 11:35 <@kanzure> https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/ 11:35 <@kanzure> for some reason opencascade's programmers thinks that cad has to be incomprehensible 11:35 <@kanzure> *think 11:35 < abetusk> oh, and fuck you too 11:35 <@kanzure> regarding what? 11:36 < abetusk> no it doesn't do what i want, fuck you 11:36 <@kanzure> in that context, it is obvious why i am saying fuck you 11:36 <@kanzure> please make your fucks more clear 11:36 < abetusk> please do the same 11:36 <@kanzure> huh? 11:37 < abetusk> make your fucks clear. It wasn't 11:37 <@kanzure> i am telling you that it doesn't do what i want and you should put much more thought into your suggestions 11:37 <@kanzure> openscad is a lazy suggestion that shows you haven't really considered what we're talking about 11:37 <@kanzure> openscad is clear enough itself. :\ 11:37 < abetusk> it was an obvious suggestions to show that your request was not well though out 11:37 <@kanzure> it's like saying "use blender, bro" 11:38 < abetusk> your fist shaking is equally as vacuous 11:38 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38 <@kanzure> i believe i have shown adequate reasoning at this point 11:38 <@kanzure> including the point about their integrated language, and i could bring up the weird GUI integration too (why should a cad engine have a GUI in it??) 11:39 <@kanzure> but i think they might have finally separated the GUI out- i'm not completely sure. i haven't checked in 6 months or something. 11:40 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 <@kanzure> have you used openscad? 11:40 < abetusk> yes 11:40 <@kanzure> have you used brlcad? 11:40 < abetusk> I started to but I found the learning curve a bit steep 11:41 <@kanzure> any commercial cad engines ever? 11:41 < abetusk> no 11:43 <@kanzure> i recently learned that brlcad's internal is unfortunately tainted by tk in a few ways 11:43 < abetusk> do you use brlcad? 11:43 <@kanzure> i have been writing python bindings against brlcad recently https://github.com/kanzure/python-brlcad 11:44 < abetusk> nice 11:46 < abetusk> wait...so brlcad also has a non separable gui integrated via tk? 11:47 <@kanzure> well... no. 11:47 <@kanzure> oh, first, i misspoke 11:47 <@kanzure> i meant tcl 11:47 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-147-239-225.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 <@kanzure> tcl is integrated throughout the core of their engine in a few weird places (and they are aware of this and want to eventually move away from this) 11:48 <@kanzure> they do have tk gui components that are separable 11:52 <@kanzure> i'm trying to figure out if implicitcad does stl generation on its own or if it's just an openscad wrapper https://github.com/colah/ImplicitCAD/blob/master/implicit.cabal 11:53 <@kanzure> the ExtOpenScad module seems to just be a parser, so that's unrelated 12:06 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:11 < ParahSail1n> still need windows testing of your brlcad bindings? 12:11 -!- Abraham [~Lamech@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:12 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:12 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@pool-173-54-39-52.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:13 -!- Stormtrooper [~Lamech@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:21 <@kanzure> ParahSail1n: a little, yes.. 12:21 <@kanzure> ParahSail1n: make sure you have brlcad installed using hte "global install" option. or erm.. "system-wide". 12:21 < ParahSail1n> maybe you just want to package the dll files in the pip package 12:22 <@kanzure> no thanks 12:22 <@kanzure> wasn't that opennurbs one something like 400 MB ? 12:22 < ParahSail1n> ohshit forgot that 12:22 <@kanzure> and it would mean i have to package shared libraries for every conceivable target platform 12:23 < ParahSail1n> well you could just do that for windows and count on sane settings on all the other platforms 12:23 < ParahSail1n> but the 400mb dll rules that out, so nevermind 12:23 <@kanzure> windows should be working as-is 12:23 <@kanzure> but i haven't had anyone other than me confirm it 12:23 <@kanzure> and i don't really trust myself here 12:27 < ParahSail1n> installing with "add to system PATH for all users" 12:28 < ParahSail1n> by default it wants to bury itself in "my documents" 12:28 < ParahSail1n> where do you need it to be? 12:33 <@kanzure> C:\Program Files (x86)\ 12:33 <@kanzure> or C:\Program Files\ 12:33 <@kanzure> depending on whether or not it's the x86 or x64 version 12:33 <@kanzure> strange that it would pick "my documents" :( 12:33 <@kanzure> i don't know how to deal with that. or why it picked that. 12:34 < ParahSail1n> heh nevermind, it picked that because i didnt run as root 12:34 < ParahSail1n> oddly, it picked (x86) to install the x64 version in 12:35 <@kanzure> yes, i saw that behavior regarding x86/x64 too 12:35 <@kanzure> so i just went with it 12:35 <@kanzure> re: Administrator/root, i'll have to add that to the README. good catch. 12:36 <@kanzure> make sure you read the python-brlcad README for the windows install. i have some other notes there. 12:36 <@kanzure> it turns out that the mingw option wont work 12:36 <@kanzure> (someone posted a bug about it) 12:49 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-147-239-225.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:04 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:04 -!- pads is now known as Guest2430 13:06 -!- Guest2409 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit 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someone tries to sell a kinect interface to starcraft because of ender's game. :\ 17:44 -!- apophenia [~apophenia@c-50-131-237-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:01 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-134.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 -!- delinquentme_ [~asdfasdf@66.233.132.203] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:09 < ThomasEgi> a kinect? for starcraft?... i can't imagine that a laggy kinect could keep up with the >200 APM from a korean pro players 18:10 <@kanzure> i know. but someone will do it because they think it will be "cool". 18:10 <@kanzure> i am just emotionally preparing myself for being annoyed by that. 18:11 < ThomasEgi> let them try.. and they'll see how "cool" it is when their arms feel like lead after a lost match. 18:12 -!- realz [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12 <@kanzure> well, the pro matches are only, what, 10 minutes these days? 5? 18:12 <@kanzure> anyway, yes i agree 18:12 < ThomasEgi> those interfaces are really exhausting. try waving your arms like crazy for 5 minutes. 18:12 <@kanzure> that is essentially how i type 18:12 <@kanzure> i just flail my fingers around until words happen 18:13 < ThomasEgi> it's great for workout and casual games. but for a productive environment i highly recommend the speed and precision of a keyboard and a mouse/tablet 18:16 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, you don't happen to have any sources on where to get electroactive polymers, do you? 18:17 -!- apophenia [~apophenia@c-50-131-237-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 18:17 <@kanzure> no, but i would ask superkuh if i had to get that 18:19 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30 -!- realz [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:30 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:32 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@pool-173-54-39-52.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33 -!- 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