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And let's assume it is far too big to synthesize de novo, how do I, well, "select" for it and splice it into say e. coli or whatever 01:46 < dv9700> or more to the point, how is it isolated? 01:58 < dv9700> also can you regrow plants from single callus cells and if so how long does it take (for example, with tobacco) as opposed to growing from seed? 01:10 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- dv9700 [~kevin@host-74-211-29-77.beyondbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- pads is now known as Guest82037 01:33 -!- Guest2430 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:39 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-156-43.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-156-43.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 < poppingtonic> paperbot: 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has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 -!- Lamech [~Lamech@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:42 < abetusk> kanzure, you use vim? 08:45 < abetusk> more specifically, do you use tern with vim? 08:51 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-156-43.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53 < ParahSail1n> tern? 08:56 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-156-43.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 < abetusk> autocompletion and ...file jumping maybe?... for javascript under vim 09:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:45 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:8200:857b:4000:8b73:5e70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined 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kanzure, you do quite a bit of javascript programming, no? 13:24 <@kanzure> dv9700: before people synthesized genes they would cut em out with endonucleases 13:24 <@kanzure> abetusk: sadly yes :( 13:25 < abetusk> I actually like it... 13:25 < abetusk> you just use vanilla vim? 13:25 <@kanzure> i turn on syntax highlighting and i do whitespace tabs 13:28 <@kanzure> i haven't found a good yaml syntax highlighter 13:29 <@kanzure> and my python syntax highlighter seems to crap out after 200-300 lines (e.g. it can't detect long docstrings) 13:30 <@kanzure> i think i would be happier with syntax highlighting if it wasn't as-you-type highlighting. it should just parse my changes when i reach the end of the line or liberally allow me to have incomplete blocks. then it can look at the entire file and let python tell it how to colorize it. 13:55 -!- AlonzoTG [~atg@pool-72-66-99-187.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 13:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit 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##hplusroadmap 19:40 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-3-129-200.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:41 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@pool-173-54-39-52.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-156-43.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- Souljack [~Souljack@host86-159-156-43.range86-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:04 -!- justanotheruser [~andrew@184.75.214.163] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 < justanotheruser> What is the relationship between hplusroadmap and h+ magazine? 20:05 < Adifex> is there one? 20:05 < justanotheruser> if there is one 20:06 < Adifex> speaking of which, humanityplus.org doesn't do anything 20:06 < Adifex> or I'm missing something 20:06 < justanotheruser> You mean http://humanityplus.org 20:06 < justanotheruser> because that works for me? 20:09 < Adifex> I mean, newsletter and engagement and such 20:09 < Adifex> not much happening, or so it seems 20:10 < justanotheruser> http://hplusmagazine.com/ seems to be really slow 20:11 < justanotheruser> last update Oct 24th 20:14 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@utdpat242051.utdallas.edu] has quit [Quit: Adifex] 20:16 < jrayhawk> 20:05 < justanotheruser> What is the relationship between hplusroadmap and h+ magazine? 20:16 < jrayhawk> bitterness, regret 20:16 < jrayhawk> not much more 20:17 < justanotheruser> jrayhawk: What came first 20:18 < jrayhawk> probably the bitterness 20:20 < justanotheruser> jrayhawk: IRC has more smartasses per capita than any form of internet communication I have used 20:20 < jrayhawk> http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Bryan_Bishop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanity+#H.2B_Magazine 20:20 < justanotheruser> :) 20:20 < jrayhawk> seems like if you wanted answers instead of smartasses, you would've used google 20:20 < jrayhawk> google should really include smartasses 20:21 < jrayhawk> seems like IRC could be eliminated at that point 20:21 < justanotheruser> lol 20:22 -!- n_bentha [~GuanYu@184.75.214.202] has quit [Quit: до свидания] 20:22 < justanotheruser> hmm, I wish the wiki included the h+ drama 20:24 < justanotheruser> Know anything about skdb jrayhawk? 20:25 < jrayhawk> Some! It's just ideas at that point AFAIK; kanzure's been busy and not super sure on how to make progress with the concept and fenn's hard for me to keep track of but hasn't expressed much interest in it as of late 20:26 < jrayhawk> but they were the two people who really cared about it 20:26 < justanotheruser> Oh, it seems very interesting. Honestly I think it would be better to implement it as a website though 20:27 < jrayhawk> implement... a standardized resource management and instruction system... as a website... 20:27 < jrayhawk> transport is literally the least complicated part of the problemspace 20:28 < justanotheruser> Yeah, just host all the files there, allow users to see all the data without using commands 20:28 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28 < justanotheruser> (11:27:40 PM) jrayhawk: transport is literally the least complicated part of the problemspace> True, but in terms of growth I think it would be a good thing 20:28 < justanotheruser> right now it seems there are 5 projects you can use skdb with 20:29 < jrayhawk> there are? 20:29 < justanotheruser> as far as I can see 20:29 < justanotheruser> Not that you *can*, but currently are. Unless there are SKDB packages missing 20:30 < justanotheruser> from the wiki 20:30 < jrayhawk> Perhaps you should go to http://www.thingiverse.com/ 20:30 < justanotheruser> Are all things on thingiverse available as SKDB packages? 20:31 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:33 < jrayhawk> No, Thingiverse is the conclusion of the mentality that you should slap crap on the web and hope network effects make something useful out of it. 20:33 < jrayhawk> Which, to be fair, is working reasonably well. 20:33 < jrayhawk> "Worse is better" and all that. 20:34 < jrayhawk> But there's a lot of work to do on the SKDB design before the public should be attempting to use it for useful stuff. 20:34 < jrayhawk> There's a lot of cost associated with bad design decisions. 20:35 < jrayhawk> Both for users and developers. 20:35 < justanotheruser> true 20:36 < jrayhawk> And Thingiverse is in the position of baring that cost. 20:36 < jrayhawk> bearing 20:36 < jrayhawk> words are hard 20:37 < justanotheruser> Do you think there will be DIY 3d metal printing? 20:37 < dv9700> justanotheruser, there already is, it's just expensive and impractical 20:38 < justanotheruser> ah 20:38 < dv9700> metal is rather complicated, basically you just make a gigantic weld joint 20:38 < dv9700> which is useless 20:38 -!- saturn2 [~visitant@c-75-72-240-113.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:38 < jrayhawk> I think there has been for a few years. I guess jsmiller isn't here anymore? 20:39 < dv9700> 3D printing is much more accurately referred to as rapid prototyping 20:39 < jrayhawk> anyway, development for that sort of thing happens in #reprap 20:39 < dv9700> and you don't prototype in metal, you prototype in plastic 20:39 < dv9700> also, if you want something that doesn't require a vacuum chamber, you need 40 kW lasers, which, oh by the way, require a DARPA license 20:40 < jrayhawk> http://reprap.org/wiki/Metal_deposition_print_head 20:40 < dv9700> jrayhawk, yes, there are ways around it, you can use low melting allows 20:41 < dv9700> people who think 3D "printing" is going to change the world tomorrow know next to nothing about the engineering problems. Not to say the tech isn't neat, but it isn't a panacea 20:44 < jrayhawk> It'd pretty doubtful it'll be more useful than subtractive metal manufacturing in the next decade, but if you're enamoured with the technology, you can always work on development. 20:44 < jrayhawk> At least it'll be fun for art trinkets. 20:48 < dv9700> jrayhawk, yeah like I said, it's not so much that I want to say it's useless, but rather I grow weary of the delusional people who think they're GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD LEL 20:51 < justanotheruser> What, with metal printing? 20:51 < dv9700> justanotheruser, no just in general 20:52 < dv9700> with 3D printing, techno-utopianism in general irritates me 20:52 < dv9700> "if we just air dropped iPhones in Africa everything would be fixed" 20:52 < dv9700> because Africa is a single country of course with a completely homogenous culture and set of problems 20:53 < dv9700> it's white man's burden 2.0 20:53 < justanotheruser> dv9700: umm.. does anyone actually believe giving iphones to africa will fix them? 20:53 < dv9700> justanotheruser, that was facetious, but yeah, just look at OLPC 20:53 < justanotheruser> <(11:52:17 PM) dv9700: with 3D printing, techno-utopianism in general irritates me> You must love project venus 20:53 < dv9700> somehow, I think figuring out how to deal with, you know, eating, is higher up on their list than useless gadgets 20:54 < dv9700> oh god 20:54 < dv9700> it's by the zeitgeist guy? 20:54 < dv9700> fuck no 20:54 < justanotheruser> yes 20:54 < dv9700> fuck him for his ahistorical bullshit 20:54 < dv9700> and his 9/11 truther garbage 20:54 < justanotheruser> dv9700: but if we just fight against the illuminati and 3d print houses everything will be fine 20:55 < dv9700> justanotheruser, oh god, no, don't even get me STARTED on "3D printed houses" 20:55 < dv9700> talk about a solution looking for a problem 20:55 < dv9700> or you could do this really cool thing called taking planks of wood and hammering them together for a fraction of the price 20:55 < dv9700> electricity? lel 21:07 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:12 < justanotheruser> Whoever is managing diyhpl.us, probably kanzure: For some reason you can't use the search with logging in 21:15 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-67-174-253-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:27 <@kanzure> justanotheruser: the only relationship between hplusroadmap and hplusmagazine is that i mistakingly did work for hplusmagazine.com in the past, i guess 21:27 <@kanzure> Adifex: correct, humanityplus.org is basically a newsletter and not worth guessing about 21:27 <@kanzure> 20:16 < jrayhawk> bitterness, regret 21:27 <@kanzure> ah my spokesperson.. 21:28 <@kanzure> 20:27 < jrayhawk> transport is literally the least complicated part of the problemspace 21:28 <@kanzure> see, i would have just gone ballistic and started telling everyone to go fuck bodies in graves or something 21:29 <@kanzure> 20:28 < justanotheruser> right now it seems there are 5 projects you can use skdb with 21:29 <@kanzure> 20:29 < jrayhawk> there are? 21:29 <@kanzure> indeed! there are multiple skdb packages: screw, thread, dremelfuge, etc. 21:29 <@kanzure> thingiverse pages are not skdb packages 21:30 < justanotheruser> kanzure: why would you have gone telling people to be necrophiles? 21:31 <@kanzure> iirc our collective opinion on project venus is net negative, so that doesn't surprise me that dv9700 would say so 21:31 <@kanzure> justanotheruser: which search are you referring to? 21:31 < dv9700> kanzure, how do you mean? 21:31 < justanotheruser> kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ 21:31 < dv9700> also anything started by a guy who believes that Jesus is literally a roman clone of Horus is utterly insane and idiotic 21:32 <@kanzure> justanotheruser: i would have told them to fuck off because of how extremely apparent it makes their lack of comprehension of the scope of the problem. transferring packages over http in a web ui versus ftp versus email has almost zero relevance. 21:32 <@kanzure> justanotheruser: you hsould bug jrayhawk about that one; but if you really must search, just do: git clone git://diyphl.us/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git 21:32 < dv9700> also this "venus" thing just comes across as technocratic singularity millenarianism 21:33 <@kanzure> iirc the venus person doesn't profess any knowledge of singularity technobabble, not that it matters.. 21:33 < dv9700> kanzure, they might not, but it's a similar line of thinking 21:34 < dv9700> "let's handwave away all of these incredibly difficult problems with TECHONOLOGY" 21:34 <@kanzure> now you've lost me 21:35 < dv9700> kanzure, do you ever read Time? If so, or not, did you at least happen to see a recent issue claiming that Google is going to "solve" aging? 21:35 < dv9700> that's the kind of garbage I'm talking about 21:35 <@kanzure> that's clearly just journalists misunderstanding press releases 21:35 <@kanzure> this is why you shouldn't read the news 21:35 < dv9700> is it? Google bothers me on the accoutn that they seem to believe delusions of grandeur 21:35 < justanotheruser> kanzure: I don't really understand that. Do you literally mean don't read any news? 21:36 <@kanzure> dv9700: if they want to invest money into their own projects, why not let them? yes their marketing is going to be ineffective, but i think their goal was just to get a press release out, not something that makes sense. 21:36 < dv9700> kanzure, I don't read Time, but regardless, let's assume you're right, Google doesn't seem to mind letting that kind of BS be out there 21:36 < dv9700> kanzure, that's not what I'm saying, it's that certain people at Google have some sort of messiah complex about themselves 21:37 < dv9700> it's bizarre 21:37 <@kanzure> dv9700: so is your complaint about (1) funding people who are working on research projects related to aging, (2) bad marketing, or (3) bad journalism? 21:37 < dv9700> kanzure, my complaint are companies making completely bullshit claims 21:37 < dv9700> that pander heavily 21:37 <@kanzure> i think their claim that they are investing in research projects related to aging is probably true. they probably do have some biologist on payroll somewhere. 21:38 < dv9700> that's entirely different then achieving immortality 21:38 <@kanzure> i 21:38 <@kanzure> !~ 21:38 < dv9700> which is what their PR is trying to suggest 21:38 <@kanzure> grr ssh 21:39 <@kanzure> justanotheruser: yeah, i am only mostly serious there. in the vast majority of cases the news is absolutely wrong about something they read from a paper. 21:39 < dv9700> Google has this whole aura that they sell, that they're this savior of the earth. No, they're a profit-seeking corporation, and there's nothing wrong with that, but jesus christ come back down to earth will you 21:39 <@kanzure> i didn't know we were talking about a fictional aura. next time please mention context upfront... 21:39 < dv9700> it's an expression. . . 21:40 < dv9700> Technocracy is an intrinsically dangerous concept, and I immediately skeptical and suspicious of those trying to sell that idea 21:40 <@kanzure> what does any of this have to do with technocracy? 21:41 <@kanzure> a moment ago you were complaining about their PR campaign 21:41 < dv9700> pandering to the public namely 21:41 < dv9700> google fancies themselves technocrats 21:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 21:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 < dv9700> as do singularitarians, techno-utopians, and that whole gross silicon valley culture 21:41 <@kanzure> i think you keep changing context in this conversation and i hate you. bbl. 21:41 < justanotheruser> dv9700: what? I don't think google takes any stance on technocracy 21:42 < dv9700> justanotheruser, Google has openly said that we "need more engineers in government" or whatever 21:42 < dv9700> I hear lots of engineers types praise countries like China because "hurr engineers in government" ignoring the whole "human rights" thing 21:42 < justanotheruser> Yeah, that isn't exactly a technocracy, but I see what you're saying. 21:43 < dv9700> I mean more figuratively 21:43 < dv9700> it's under the mantle of scientism 21:57 < Zhwazi> Engineers in China have experimentally determined the tensile strength of the average Chinese male, I'm sure. They probably even have a function to look up tensile strength by age. 22:01 -!- dv9700 [~kevin@162.217.77.195.3wave.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:8200:857b:4000:8b73:5e70] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:11 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:29 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:51 -!- Viper168 is now known as Viper168_ 23:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 < jrayhawk> justanotheruser: it might be prudent to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZM_JmZdqCw 23:55 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:56 < jrayhawk> h+ magazine and the WTA are not really interested in a determinate future because it's much less sensationalizable 23:56 < jrayhawk> ##hplusroadmap is a community of people with a determinate outlook --- Log closed Mon Nov 04 00:00:14 2013