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justanotheruser> Merry Christmas! ho ho ho 13:33 < kanzure> once the watermark is removed the hash of the two pdfs are the same 13:33 < kanzure> so far i have not found an example of a pdf that has a different hash from one access method against another (once the watermark was removed) 13:33 < kanzure> however, i'm sure it's entirely plausible 13:34 < kanzure> especially since there are often metadata stamps such as when the pdf was modified by the server 13:43 < delinquentme> what the hell? the hashes are the same?? 13:44 < delinquentme> Hows that even possible? I thought hashes were generated from the entirety of a piece of code?? 13:45 < kanzure> if the bytes in a file are exactly the same then the hash is going to be the same 13:45 < kanzure> unless it's a stupid non-deterministic hash, in which case it's mostly worthless anyway 13:47 -!- nsh- [~lol@host86-158-74-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-74-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-74-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:48 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 -!- drewbug [~Adium@fsf/member/drewbug] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:22 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@2001:67c:2190:c0de:34fc:a915:5377:bb47] has quit [Quit: UAA] 14:23 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@2001:67c:2190:c0de:34fc:a915:5377:bb47] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:42 < delinquentme> kanzure, it seems that if something was edited in the file... then the bytes wouldn't be the same ... and yeah like you said worthless if thats the case 14:42 < delinquentme> whos our chemist in here? 14:42 < kanzure> the only modifications made to pdfs are just the watermarks. so removing the watermarks means that the files become the same. 14:43 < kanzure> this sameness is confirmed by checking the md5 hash 14:43 < kanzure> because it's highly unlikely for the paper to be a md5 collision 14:43 < delinquentme> I've been told that there are cellular compounds which yield pretty consistently ATP precursors > ATP I was told convert quite uniformly 14:43 < kanzure> drazak is the closest to a chemistry goon in here 14:43 < delinquentme> Which makes me curious: At what level of cellular biochemistry, do things become more complex as to not make these compounds as consistently 14:44 < delinquentme> I know we've got all kinds of variations in protein folding ... so say sticking a single cell in a minturized bioreactor such as http://marblar.com/technology/US8133722 14:44 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:44 < delinquentme> would be a really interesting way to start testing the variance 14:47 < delinquentme> additionally... what about selecting a really simple compound .. say even something like lactic acid ... and just grow a bunch of these cells in the uni-cellular reactors 15:00 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-74-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:04 < delinquentme> I guess nobody else sees these single cell reactors as that interesting? 15:04 < nsh> what kinda reactors? 15:05 < delinquentme> nsh, they're single cell reactors with morphological and fluidic input controls 15:05 < nsh> for what kind of reactions? 15:05 < nsh> , cells? 15:07 < delinquentme> they're supposed to provide inputs for individual cells 15:07 < delinquentme> http://marblar.com/technology/US8133722 15:13 < nsh> oh, i see 15:14 < delinquentme> http://marblar.com/technology/US7948564 15:15 < delinquentme> this is cool too ... they're using LCDs to replace photolithographic masks to make micro-scale features 15:15 < delinquentme> would be really cool for making ECM in a bioreactor ... using some kind of biocompatible photopolymer 15:16 < delinquentme> but that usefulness would be kind of hinging upon the resolution of typical printers 15:21 * nsh nods 15:28 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@24-132-232.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:54 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:06 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.15.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 < delinquentme> More gene therapy http://www.nanowerk.com/news2/biotech/newsid=33721.php#at_pco=tcb-1.0&at_tot=7&at_ab=-&at_pos=4 17:11 < FourFire> Has anyone in here read _Red Mars_ ? 17:11 < FourFire> Kim Stanley Robinson 17:20 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-126-118.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 < superkuh> Yes. 17:25 < FourFire> superkuh, so do you think the treatment they come up with is plausible in reality? 17:25 < FourFire> or something which worked similarly 17:25 < FourFire> within the same timeframe, mind 17:26 < superkuh> Plausible enough I can suspend my disbelief to enjoy the story, sure. 17:28 < FourFire> no, but I mean, do you think it's possible to make their treatment in reality 17:28 < FourFire> within their same timeframe 17:30 < superkuh> I don't think it is useful to think about that. 17:30 < superkuh> It is a fictional story for recreation. 17:30 < superkuh> There's no insight there. 17:32 < FourFire> of course not, but there are potential goals which we might strive towards 17:32 < FourFire> all technology was at some point science fiction 17:32 < FourFire> possibly even fire 17:32 < FourFire> and as far as scifi comes, The Mars Trilogy is quite Hard 17:36 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-211-131-212.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-204-178-43.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-74-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:40 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:46 -!- Adifex is now known as Adifeliznavidad 17:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-50-161-113-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 -!- Adifeliznavidad is now known as dewbie 17:58 -!- dewbie is now known as Adifex 18:00 -!- Adifex is now known as BrightGreenLED 18:02 -!- BrightGreenLED is now known as hdb 18:03 -!- hdb is now known as mullletmaster 18:06 -!- mullletmaster is now known as Hem 18:10 -!- Hem is now known as Adifex 18:45 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46 < delinquentme> So I've got this nagging feeling 18:46 < delinquentme> that something about crawling wikipedia is the secret to suggestion for novel experiments 18:47 < delinquentme> http://www.itechpost.com/articles/11786/20131117/accidental-discovery-dramatically-improves-electrical-conductivity.htm 18:48 < delinquentme> things like this ... just make me think that we've got so much we're blatantly overlooking 18:50 < juri_> honestly, i think you'd do better just reading the papers in paperbots directory, and trying to duplicate results. 18:50 < ParahSailin> maybe stop saying random things and learning stuff would be a first step 18:51 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, I like how you went from a lab lackey to a shit talker so quickly 18:51 < delinquentme> thanks for your positive contributing advice! 18:52 < ParahSailin> always here to help 18:52 < delinquentme> go back to sucking dicks and let me know when you're ready to 18:52 < delinquentme> IDK be productive ... or at least present ja? 18:52 < delinquentme> *big thumbs up* 18:53 < delinquentme> Hey thanks man ! So yeah as I was saying. We've clearly got all of these behaviors present in this soup we're in. 18:56 < ParahSailin> soup? 18:57 < delinquentme> To begin linking them... to where we could query something like " imaging at X scale " ... would return not technique matches ... but instead something like collective particle excitations, and other phenomena which are dominant at that scale 18:57 < delinquentme> soup yeah. Like this bath of photons, EM, particles and energy we're in 18:57 < delinquentme> " environment " 18:58 < delinquentme> IDK the seed of the idea is that if we can actively use a human brain to connect the disparate phenomena to make something like a hyperlense 18:59 < delinquentme> or this thing where conductivity was boosted by 400x simply by connecting these concepts 19:00 < delinquentme> blah concepts = behaviors / phenomena 19:01 < delinquentme> Like INDIVIDUALLY these are all established particle physics... someone just needed to come along and lego them together and viola ... new imaging technique 19:02 < gradstudentbot> Man, if only I could biopsy his organs. 19:02 < juri_> gradstudentbot: i agree. 19:02 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I read the paper, I just don't remember the details. 19:04 < FourFire> delinquentme, there is surely loads of low hanging scientific fruit for automated AI tasks 19:04 < FourFire> and data comparison for large datasets 19:08 < ParahSailin> so meta 19:23 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, what do you do again? 19:23 < delinquentme> I mean core skillset? 19:23 < delinquentme> You're a quantum physicist in ultracold particle physics right? 19:35 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.15.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@24-132-232.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 20:28 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-126-118.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 21:03 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:08 < delinquentme> 'solid pharmaceutical' anyone? 21:18 < kanzure> his core skills are in molecular biology wetlab antics (inc. SENS work) and haskell (apparently) 21:29 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@184.175.15.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:44 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-50-161-113-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:45 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 21:58 < kanzure> hi 22:35 < justanotheruser> kanzure: do you contribute code to bitcoin or a related project, or do you just like listening? 22:40 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40 < kanzure> i write lots of software that does stuff but i haven't submitted a patch to bitcoin.git 22:41 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 < justanotheruser> kanzure: you have the greenest github account I've ever seen 22:41 < kanzure> i've fixed obscure leveldb issues in forks, if that counts.. 22:41 < kanzure> yes, well, drugs do wonderful things for the soul 22:48 -!- SolG [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:49 -!- _sol_ [~Sol@c-174-57-58-11.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:53 < delinquentme> A prevalent but incorrect belief is that solid form is determined primarily by choice of crystallization solvent. In fact, it is well established that parameters like temperature, supersaturation level, rate of concentration or cooling, seeding, and ripening can have an overriding effect. These variables must be controlled to ensure consistency of solid form in API. 22:54 < delinquentme> I have no idea what ripening in this context even means 23:12 -!- drewbug [~Adium@fsf/member/drewbug] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:14 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@97-122-126-118.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:43 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:44 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Wed Dec 25 00:00:03 2013