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06:45 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
06:46 < nsh> that's a pretty controversial viewpoint to go bandying about so liberally
06:47 < JayDugger> I'll defend my claim against all comers.
06:47 < JayDugger> One at a time, or all at once, whichever.
06:48  * nsh smiles
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07:44 < FourFire> JayDugger, it's objectively morning in your particular timezone, and surrounding timezones, which are a minority, so if you take the average
07:44 < FourFire> it's not morning
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09:58 <@archels> "The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it."
09:58 <@archels> (Karl Marx)
09:58 <@archels> relation to H+? you be the judge
09:59 < kanzure> uh, and?
09:59 < kanzure> philosophers changed the world at least by writing things down. is that not changing the world-state?
10:02 <@archels> it reminded me of http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration/
10:04 < gradstudentbot> Oh great, my paper got accepted with no revisions. Nice.
10:08 < entelechios> philosophers did loads to change the world in many cases
10:08 < kanzure> yawn this conversation is going to get very boring
10:09 < kanzure> "philosophers can't change the world because they don't exist!"
10:09 < entelechios> only due to your trite nerdraging condescension
10:09 < kanzure> is the only possible contra-argument. which is a nonsense argument.
10:09 < kanzure> it's not condescension
10:09 < gradstudentbot> Should have gone to med school.
10:09 < entelechios> then quit yawning and rollin your eyes around as if you're the only one who knows better
10:09 < kanzure> i'm genuinely open to alternatives but i think you're wrong (philosophers, by existing, are manipulating state)
10:10 < kanzure> well, the tihng is that i /know/ archels knows betters
10:10 < kanzure> he's a clever cookie cutter
10:10 < kanzure> *thing
10:11 < entelechios> karl marx kinda screwed it up too
10:12 < kanzure> *better
10:12 < entelechios> the point is to change it but if you don't go putting enough thought into it while also listening to what others have to think about things, then, well, it's disaster course
10:12 < kanzure> "the point" of archel's quote?
10:12 < entelechios> to stimulate conversation i'd think
10:12 < kanzure> what?
10:12 < kanzure> i am just asking what you meant when you said "the point is to change"
10:13 < entelechios> oh sorry
10:13 < kanzure> and i was saking if "the point" was referring to his quote
10:13 < entelechios> well, yeah, i don't think many philosophers go around sharing their ideas without the idea in mind to have their ideas influence the world somehow
10:13 < kanzure> i don't think it was to stimulate conversation, because he knows about the no philosophy rule, unless he's trolling me, which he has almost never done
10:13 < entelechios> there's an anti-sophistry rule in here? nice
10:14 < entelechios> i actually like that
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10:16 < gradstudentbot> Who's timer is going off?
10:17 < yashgaroth> damnit gradstudentbot fix yo gramma
10:17 < gradstudentbot> You can't guarantee that.
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10:46 < pasky> "my paper got accepted with no revisions" - does that *ever* happen? :)
10:46 < kanzure> he's magical
10:46 < kanzure> powered by the hopes and dreams of phd students from all over the world
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10:50 < eudoxia> kanzure: so other than a mention of its name, what triggers gradstudentbot?
10:50 < gradstudentbot> I don't think my PI remembers me.
10:51 < kanzure> he sometimes decides to speak up on his own
10:51 < eudoxia> is it random? or is it more likely to happen when others are talking?
10:52 < eudoxia> because i notice sometimes during a conversation he sends a phrase or two, like just now
10:52 < kanzure> it is random but constrained to when there's channel activity
10:53 < kanzure> because if there's 8 hours where nobody is talking i don't want to see 200 messages from gradstudentbot
10:53 < gradstudentbot> I'm working on a paper, I need to be left alone.
10:53 < eudoxia> ah, i see then
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11:51 < justanotheruser> gradstudentbot: say something funny
11:51 < gradstudentbot> The smell of e.coli is so very rewarding.
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12:06 < nsh> not as rewarding as the taste of lab ethanol and dr. pepper
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14:57 < drewbug> paperbot, http://www.nature.com/nprot/journal/v6/n9/pdf/nprot.2011.371.pdf%3FWT.ec_id%3DNPROT-201109
14:58 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7f3f798eb89e887e40f399fd6ab4d0a1.txt
15:00 < drewbug> paperbot, http://www.nature.com/nprot/journal/v6/n9/pdf/nprot.2011.371.pdf
15:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/39d1a2efa300ab03ed61e507955393d3.txt
15:03 < drewbug> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21886108
15:03 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnprot.2011.371
15:03 < drewbug> Muhahaha.
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15:59 < delinquentme> drewbot, what are you checking out?
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16:10 < nsh> *drewbug
16:10 < nsh> oh, they went
16:11 < kanzure> how rude
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16:57 < juri_> i really think i'd grow an iq point just reading all the articles pulled via paperbot.
17:00 < kanzure> you will grow a third eye
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