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bookmarks: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5468.html (space) http://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5437.html (autonomous ecosystem) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5289.html (hacker body) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5406.html (drones) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5395.html (state-of-art bci) ... 12:39 < pasky> ... http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5526.html (strong ai) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5613.html (wikipedia apple) 12:42 < nsh> wikipedia apple? 12:43 < nsh> oh god 12:43 < nsh> that is a ridiculous project 12:43 -!- entelechios [~elysium@190.184.196.50] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 < nsh> en.wikipedia current revision text, compressed: 9.5gb 12:45 < nsh> apple genome: ~800mb 12:45 < kanzure> there are larger genomes around 12:46 * nsh nods 12:46 < gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Cell paper. 12:47 < pasky> nsh: they want to take just top 50k articles 12:47 < pasky> but joe davis talked about bunch of other crazy stuff 12:47 < pasky> and said just three sentences at the very end about this 12:48 < nsh> ok 12:48 < nsh> DNA for long-term storage is an interested field 12:48 < nsh> but trying to do it in an apple is clearly an art-school gimmick 12:49 < pasky> it seemed they chose apples in particular for the shortness of their genome (the original kind of apple) 12:49 < pasky> but the talk was rather confusing :) 12:50 < kanzure> that seems like a rather boring talk for CCC, to be honest 12:51 < kanzure> there are tons of interesting dna things to talk about 12:52 < pasky> there is maybe more, it just was on right now and the only talk i actually listened to :) i didn't select for bio talks much 12:58 < pasky> http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5526.html seemed interesting but if they talk about just http://micropsi.com/ too much, i don't know if i'll be very impressed 13:09 -!- yashgaroth 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has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:56 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 < heath> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-39357-0_2 16:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b265f42b38f2055cb38c372bec8cacf9.txt 16:00 < heath> paperbot, noooo! 16:00 * heath heads to r/scholar 16:02 -!- Jaakko98 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- Jaakko97 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04 < FourFire> what is the NRA again? 16:07 < juri_> national rifle association? 16:08 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13 < entelechios> 'the other nra' 16:13 < entelechios> https://encrypted.google.com/#q=the+other+nra 16:13 < entelechios> national restaurant association AKA the ones who are ripping off all the foodservice workers and making us sick with the cutting of standards 16:14 < entelechios> who wants to open a chinese robot restaurant 16:14 -!- Viper168__ [~Viper@177.kansas-04-05rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:25 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:27 -!- Viper168__ [~Viper@177.kansas-04-05rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:42 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09 < Dantespeaks> Johnny Depp merges with the A.I on the upcoming movie: "Transcendence." 17:09 < Dantespeaks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTen3-B8GU 17:10 < chris_99> is that the terry gilliam film 17:11 < chris_99> ah apparently not 17:19 < Dantespeaks> Assuming you can upload your electrical impulses to a computer, i could understand some aspects of your self, (personality) can be tranferred by the patterns of way these electrical activities present them on the brain, but how can it retain memories without neurons? 17:20 < Dantespeaks> Like, don't you need something tangible to access memories in the first place? Why is it that people say everything can be transferred, and it's not a copy? 17:20 < kanzure> when most people talk about whole brain emulation they never imply "upload your electrical impulses" 17:21 < kanzure> you should read more encyclopedias 17:21 < Dantespeaks> ...right ok... 17:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf 17:21 < Dantespeaks> cool thanks. 17:32 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37 < chris_99> that film looks cool 17:41 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@184.75.221.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@184.75.221.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:47 -!- kyknos_ [kyknos@nat/novell/x-vdugbtarxwjakuvc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.140.99] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@95.211.140.99] has quit [Changing host] 17:52 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02 < Dantespeaks> Would it be a better idea to start learning something from MEMS instead NEMS, due to it's scale of observation being more opaque... I mean, i'd like to see what i'm building, and make it functional, nano based systems are not so practical in the medical realm right now right? We still gotta wait 20 years +? 18:03 < Dantespeaks> is there a IRC channel or a website dedicated to teaching nano-stuff kinda like rosalind? 18:03 < Dantespeaks> preferably by use of python somewhere? 18:05 < Dantespeaks> I understand MEMS manufacturing processes include Deposition, Lithography and Etching to make a device, 18:05 < FourFire> I say 15 minimum, and that's with foom 18:05 < Dantespeaks> but what about NEMS? 18:05 < FourFire> slow, 50-60 years 18:05 < FourFire> slower 80+ years 18:06 < Dantespeaks> any practical NEMS assembly method... 18:06 < FourFire> young people now will get to see it 18:06 < Dantespeaks> oh come on Fourfire thats bit of a stretch. 18:06 < FourFire> Dantespeaks, how old are you biologically and what is your expected lifespan? 18:06 < Dantespeaks> I think I got good 70 years left, if I play it right. 18:07 < FourFire> yeah, so what's the stretch? 18:07 < Dantespeaks> or if I die early, 50... 18:07 < Dantespeaks> well, assuming A.I and nanomeds will be progressing as it is now, I think...40-50 years? 18:07 < FourFire> are you claiming that you Know that foom has to happen within a certain period of time which is shorter than 80 years? 18:08 < Dantespeaks> i dont even know what is foom. 18:08 < FourFire> Foom is the thing that happens which causes the singularity to happen 18:08 < Dantespeaks> oh 18:08 < Dantespeaks> i dont think singularity needs to happen in order for nanomeds to flourish. 18:09 < Dantespeaks> some form of automata - perhaps not sentient, 18:09 < FourFire> today computing technology and some other technologies are getting better at a rate of about 18 months per doubling of performance per unit of currency 18:09 < Dantespeaks> can work with nanotechnology. 18:09 < FourFire> now and that's been increasing 18:09 < Dantespeaks> and that is in the realm of 20+ years. 18:09 < FourFire> the growth rate has been growing 18:09 < FourFire> when that thing is happening every five months 18:09 < FourFire> every three months 18:09 < FourFire> every two weeks 18:09 < FourFire> every two days 18:09 < Dantespeaks> I don't believe A.I has to happen in order for nanotech to flourish and reverse aging in the human body... 18:10 < FourFire> imagine replacing your computer every two hours 18:10 < FourFire> that's foom 18:10 < FourFire> and automata will keep up when humans can't any more 18:10 < FourFire> and then we've lost our shit basically 18:10 < Dantespeaks> if there is an A.I, I would imagine it'll be like, we can assemble an entire person from a bone fragment, like in the "fifth element" movie. 18:11 < FourFire> I'm hoping it's going to be a bit later rather than sooner, but who knows? 18:11 < FourFire> certainly not you 18:11 < FourFire> the fifith element was cool 18:11 < FourFire> but too scifi 18:11 < FourFire> brain structures don't exist in DNA 18:11 < Dantespeaks> oh 18:11 < Dantespeaks> well, maybe memories can be encoded in it's remnants by a DNA 18:12 < FourFire> and thus no matter how comlex "LeeLoo's DNA was her personality and memories couldn't have been recovered from her crashsite bonefragment 18:12 < FourFire> Dantespeaks, have fun, Im ust go now 18:12 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@34-149-232.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 18:12 < Dantespeaks> it could be really advanced physics. :P 18:12 < Dantespeaks> oh FourFire just left me. LOL 18:14 < Dantespeaks> Well, I think, if the entire universe is deterministic in some way, it doesn't have to be a bottom up approach to retrieve memories from just DNA, but there could be some patterns that hints the molecular patterns of the brain as it once were. 18:14 < Dantespeaks> obviously sci-fi but A.I could be able to calculate. :P 18:15 < Dantespeaks> why am I talking to myself, my question is, should I get to learning on NEMS and prepare for the future or MEMS and live in the now....... 18:27 < Dantespeaks> FourEyes was bit of an asshole... 18:27 < Dantespeaks> *FourFire whatever. 18:33 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-227-77-162.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-50-17-32-127.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:38 < nsh> NEMS? MEMS? 18:41 < Dantespeaks> yeah...... 18:55 < Dantespeaks> If there's a open source learning for MEMS/NEMS and computational neuroscience in the field of A.I- 18:55 < Dantespeaks> kind of like Rosalind, 18:55 < Dantespeaks> please let me know i'd like to spend time in those sites... 18:56 < Dantespeaks> even IRC channels relating.... 19:01 < Dantespeaks> my mind opened up to using programming languages ---- to leverage myself on learning. 19:02 < Dantespeaks> i couldn't see it before but... now i see it applies in all areas. pretty cool. 19:19 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@75-148-41-126-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 < entelechios> there is Dantespeaks 19:20 < entelechios> https://www.coursera.org/course/compneuro 19:21 < entelechios> just google 19:21 < entelechios> [advanced academic topic of your choice] 19:21 < entelechios> and 19:21 < entelechios> moc 19:21 < entelechios> or mooc 19:21 < entelechios> next to it 19:21 < entelechios> bam free education the world is a fantastic place all of the sudden 19:21 < kanzure> just because it's on coursera doesn't mean it's worthwhile 19:21 < entelechios> truesay i can't vouch for it at all 19:21 < entelechios> never spent the time on it 19:22 < entelechios> but he now knows how to choose between options 19:22 < entelechios> if there is more than one anyways. i know that stanford had their one for a while 19:26 < Dantespeaks> cool ty. now i have some options to take, and, for me as an absolute beginner, anything is really helpful. 19:34 -!- nsh [lol@host86-158-73-232.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:34 -!- nsh [lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:58 < kanzure> pasky: how do i force "git clone" to not prompt me for a username/password? ex: git clone https://github.com/kanzure/wtf123 19:58 < kanzure> pasky: it looks like --quiet is totally ignored 19:59 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@75-148-41-126-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 20:03 < Dantespeaks> paperbot: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/hologram.html 20:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/840570d1a8b14e5d16bd5493af21255b.txt 20:04 < Dantespeaks> blah... 20:09 < kanzure> got it, GIT_ASKPASS=true git clone 21:05 -!- entelechios [~elysium@190.184.196.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:06 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 21:18 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@184.75.221.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26 -!- ielo [~ielo@c-69-255-193-198.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:29 -!- justanotheruser1 [~justanoth@184.75.221.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:38 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:39 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@166.181.81.82] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@ip70-176-210-76.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:46 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@166.181.81.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@184.75.221.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:48 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@184.75.221.3] has quit [Changing host] 21:48 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:08 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.139.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:31 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:17 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b240:8200:2940:ca1f:1b95:3c76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30 -!- Viper168 is now known as Viper168_ 23:33 -!- Viper168__ [~Viper@253.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:34 -!- Viper168__ is now known as Viper168 23:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@253.kansas-01-03rs.mo.dial-access.att.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:38 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:41 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 23:41 < kanzure> another diybio belgium group http://diybio.be/index.php/en/ 23:45 -!- drewbug [~Adium@fsf/member/drewbug] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:45 < drewbug> paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21354315 23:45 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.neuroimage.2011.02.058 23:45 < drewbug> Thanks, paperot! 23:45 < drewbug> *paperbot 23:48 < gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Nature paper. 23:49 -!- ascendancy [~ascendanc@pool-72-64-157-220.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:59 -!- drewbug [~Adium@fsf/member/drewbug] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Sat Dec 28 00:00:06 2013