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08:46 < kanzure> paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7128
08:46 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Searching%20the%20Internet%20for%20evidence%20of%20time%20travelers.pdf
08:46 < kanzure> fenn: we're on to you
08:47 < chris_99> i love how they cite back to the future in it
08:50 < kanzure> satoshi nakamoto is an alien from the future that has traveled back to test whether or not humans are ready for more advanced forms of finance
08:50 < chris_99> haha
08:51 < eudoxia> maybe he's an upload that traveled back in time to create bitcoin and finance defenses for a future human/upload war
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08:57 < kanzure> eudoxia: maybe, but it doesn't explain hal finney.
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09:37 < kanzure> http://blog.0xbadc0de.be/archives/155 "In 2007 already, Dan Shumow and Niels Ferguson from Microsoft showed that Dual_EC_DRBG algorithm could be backdoored. Twitter also uncovered recently that this algorithm was even patented in 2004 by Dan Brown (Not the Da Vinci guy, the Certicom one) as a “key escrow mechanism” (government jargon/lingo for trapdoor/backdoor). I will go a little bit further in explaining how it works and give a ...
09:37 < kanzure> ... proof-of-concept code, based on OpenSSL FIPS. This is in the best of my knowledge the only public proof of concept published today. (correct me if I’m wrong)."
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10:06 < heath> ideas for diybio meetups?
10:06 < kanzure> equipment teardowns
10:07 < heath> sequencers, synthesizers, what else?
10:07 < kanzure> chromatography machine stuff
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10:08 < kanzure> centrifuges.
10:08 < kanzure> incubators. autoclaves. shakers. you have a bunch of options..
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10:09 < heath> http://www.hach.com/hq40d-portable-ph-conductivity-optical-dissolved-oxygen-do-orp-and-ise-multi-parameter-meter/product?id=7640501639&callback=bc
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10:09 < heath> you can get one of these for $90, it would be interesting to figure out its internals
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10:11 < heath> thanks for the idea kanzure
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10:22 < chris_99> i got a do sensor actually, don't spose you know anything about using in liquids other than water
10:23 < heath> cool, have you used it yet?
10:24 < heath> my only experience is using it on a nearby creek
10:24 < ParahSailin> pretty sure DO sensors are electrochemical
10:24 < ParahSailin> so using it in nonelectrolytes and electrolytes other than water would probably be broken
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10:49 < chris_99> ParahSailin, yeah
10:49 < chris_99> that is what i was thinking
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10:50 < chris_99> heath, i've not used it properly yet, as i was intending to use it in unfermented beer
10:50 < chris_99> but i guess it's not possible
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11:51 < kanzure> http://binwalk.org/ "Binwalk is a firmware analysis tool designed for analyzing, reverse engineering and extracting data contained in firmware images. Written in Python, it is fully scriptable and easily extendable via custom signatures and plugins."
11:52 < kanzure> wtf http://binwalk.org/3d-data-visualizations/
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12:06 < nmz787> jrayhawk: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Biomarkers_of_gluten_sensitivity_in_patients_with_non-affective_psychosis_A_meta-analysis.pdf
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13:16 < kanzure> http://linkedin.com/in/carlforce "undercover Agent who established and cultivated 17-month covert relationship with Dread Pirate Roberts; Extensive knowledge of Bitcoin digital currency, the underground internet on the TOR network, and data encryption and decryption computer programs"
13:16 < kanzure> hmmm
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13:36 < jrayhawk> nmz787: oh, thank you
13:36 < FourFire> Hello
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13:42 < bkero> :(
13:42 < bkero> poppingtonic is gone and I'm in nairobi
13:46 < kanzure> https://github.com/poppingtonic
13:46 < kanzure> i saw him active in a git repo a few days ago
13:46 < kanzure> maybe he got sacked for transcribing from 30c3
13:47 < kanzure> 2 hours ago on twitter too https://twitter.com/negamuhia
13:55 < bkero> wait
13:55 < bkero> poppingtonic was at 30c3 too?
13:56 < bkero> I must have missed him there too. Damn it.
13:56 < kanzure> nah i think he was probably listening to audio or a video
14:04 < kanzure> emotiv/emokit question if anyone wants to take a stab at it.. https://github.com/openyou/emokit/issues/98
14:04 < kanzure> to be honest i've never actually used it after i did some initial work on it, sooo
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14:42 < kanzure> 3d mid-air acoustic manipulation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU
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14:44 < ParahSailin> http://news.php.net/php.internals/70691
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15:09 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/LC/2013/c3lc50227a#!divAbstract
15:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Skin%20and%20hair%20on-a-chip%3A%20in%20vitro%20skin%20models%20versus%20ex%20vivo%20tissue%20maintenance%20with%20dynamic%20perfusion.pdf
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16:13 < nmz787> huh, this guy needs to chat with Anselm http://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/
16:17 < heath> nmz787: how's the synthesis work coming along?
16:22 < nmz787> just got the spin-coater in working order a few nights ago
16:23 < chris_99> nmz787, are you making a synthesizer?
16:24 < nmz787> yes, it's a long process!
16:24 < nmz787> doing many things at once
16:24 < chris_99> nice, do you have any writeups for that?
16:25 < nmz787> no, not really
16:25 < nmz787> bits and pieces scattered
16:25 < nmz787> on here and diybio mailing lists
16:26 < nmz787> working on a 3-point kinematic mount now (like a hexapod manipulator but with only 3 legs)
16:26 < nmz787> for focusing a projection surface to be co-planar with a projected image
16:26 < nmz787> i've also been sourcing components to build a vacuum spin-coater
16:27 < nmz787> so a microfluidics production system kit is likely to come out of this before a synthesizer
16:27 < gradstudentbot> I'll be at the microscope.
16:27 < chris_99> what's a kinematic mount in laymans terms?
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16:29 < nmz787> triangle with a screw on each angle, motors on bottom and some ball joints
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16:29 < nmz787> move any motor and that angle raises/lowers
16:29 < nmz787> s/angle/corner/
16:30 < chris_99> what's it for?
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16:42 < nmz787> focusing the silicon wafer with photoresist on it with the digital photomask i'm beaming onto it with a projector
16:43 < nmz787> luckily most of the chemistry research has been done, so once i can fab channels and get liquids pumping around, I can order reagents and start trying to make DNA
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16:54 < chris_99> what's the mask for?
17:09 < kanzure> mask lithography, because he's been talking about it for a while
17:09 < kanzure> but also, masked lithography because it's obvious from the things he just wrote
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17:11 < chris_99> but what's the mask for i mean
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17:14 < ParahSailin> dna synthesizer
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17:28 < kanzure> breaking out of kvm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVSVdudfF8Q
17:28 < kanzure> http://www.vupen.com/blog/20120904.Advanced_Exploitation_of_Xen_Sysret_VM_Escape_CVE-2012-0217.php
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18:46 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:36 < katsmeow-afk> drat
19:37 < kanzure> ?
19:37 < katsmeow-afk> i was hoping heath/ybit or fenn was awake
19:37 < katsmeow-afk> or i could ask you, in pm, preferrably, as if you remember me
19:38 < katsmeow-afk> please?
19:39 < katsmeow-afk> :-/
19:40 < katsmeow-afk> well, wth, i'll ask in channel then : is there a way to get some 2,9,10-trimethoxy-13-methyl-5,6-dihydroisoquinolino[2,1-b]isoquinolin-7-ium-3-ol ?
19:40 < katsmeow-afk> references : http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/025806430.html  http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2813%2901494-2?script=true
19:42 < kanzure> i don't understand what this has to do with whether or not i remember you (and yes i do)
19:43 < katsmeow-afk> i preferred asking select individuals
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19:44 < katsmeow-afk> i have a legit reason for wanting the material, and any data for it
19:44 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2813%2901494-2
19:44 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.cub.2013.11.039
19:45 < katsmeow-afk> Firefox can't find the file at http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016/j.cub.2013.11.039.
19:52 < nmz787> whoo 80MSPS ADC on a 204MHz microcontroller http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers/cortex_m4/LPC4370FET256.html
19:54 < nmz787> katsmeow-afk: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/A_Novel_Analgesic_Isolated_from_a_Traditional_Chinese_Medicine.pdf
19:54 < gradstudentbot> You used the wrong formula.
19:55 < katsmeow-afk> i have seen all that google has to offer, like that pdf
19:55 < nmz787> ?
19:55 < nmz787> that's the one you just requested
19:55 < katsmeow-afk> oh
19:55 < katsmeow-afk> strange, it's a pdf of a webpage i already read
19:56 < katsmeow-afk> in fact, it was the first webpage that got me started trying to find more on it
19:56 < nmz787> ahh, I guess kanzure confused me by requesting it with paperbot
19:57 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/025806430.html lists several synonyms
19:57 < nmz787> katsmeow-afk: can't you just go to chinatown?
19:57 < katsmeow-afk> and the chemical has beenknown for a century: http://books.google.com/books?id=X0DOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA260&lpg=PA260&dq=dehydrocorybulbine&source=bl&ots=ua9x9EZp8L&sig=cs8Ff9uk-zD2Gaw-C_JOF0kY6hA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wivGUujoN8PksASB84L4DA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=dehydrocorybulbine&f=false
19:57 < katsmeow-afk> i have no chinatown here
19:58 < nmz787> well that link you just sent shows several manufacturers
19:58 < nmz787> 5G for $53
19:58 < nmz787> 25G for $188
19:59 < katsmeow-afk> who? i see no data on their pages, it's,,,, umm, like it's javascript ......... grrr
20:00 < katsmeow-afk> what's 10-UNDECYN-1-OL ?
20:00 < katsmeow-afk> that's not what i asked for
20:00 < nmz787> yeah, that's confusing
20:01 < katsmeow-afk> loking up chemicals can be like looking up electronics parts, they tell you they have data but the page is a search engine on their site
20:01 < gradstudentbot> I am busy researching.
20:01 < nmz787> yeah, I see that
20:04 < nmz787> this similar one has a CAS number 65615-07-8
20:04 < nmz787> you might try finding manufacturers of that, then see if they have the one you want
20:04 < katsmeow-afk> hell, i got closer with ebay : http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313&_nkw=yanhusuo&_sacat=0&_from=R40
20:05 < nmz787> you could also mention that article since they might have to modify their process if they aren't already making it
20:05 < nmz787> well yeah that's your e-chinatown
20:06 < katsmeow-afk> Item location:
20:06 < katsmeow-afk> Catskill, New York, United States
20:08 < katsmeow-afk> ah, lots more hits : https://www.google.com/search?q=CORYDALIS+YANHUSUO
20:12 < nmz787> katsmeow-afk: that paper i posted mentions their synthesis route
20:12  * katsmeow-afk is not a chemist
20:13 < nmz787> right, that's why you'd send those instructions (or the whole paper) to a manufacturer of a similar molecule (or the starting reagent they used)
20:13 < katsmeow-afk> isn't there tons of upfront costs associated with that?
20:13 < nmz787> there are likely several contract fine-chemical manufacturers looking for the next 'hot' molecule that people will want
20:14 < nmz787> so you'd need to do some sales pitch type work, finding and convincing a company, but this is their business
20:15 < katsmeow-afk> i am the wrong person for that
20:15 < nmz787> the research chemical industry needs to work quickly between discovery of a new function and/or syntheis route and governments regulating the chem
20:15 < nmz787> so you giving them a lead would be helpful
20:16 < katsmeow-afk> the chemical has been known since prior to 1904, when it appeared in publication
20:16 < katsmeow-afk> the Chinese used the plant for centuries
20:16 < nmz787> note that you likely wouldn't receive pharma-grade chems, they could be good-enough, but without the right certifications you won't know
20:16 < nmz787> the paper mentions synthesis routes have been unknown prior to that publication
20:17 < katsmeow-afk> "here is the chemical you askedfor, in a fine lead powder, notto be taken internally"
20:18 < nmz787> that or a number of other metals and weird organics
20:18 < nmz787> hah the tail-flick assay
20:18 < nmz787> i saw that in GMO pain-reduced mouse paper I read recently
20:19 < katsmeow-afk> it's real common for docs to stick pins into humans for the same reason
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20:21 < katsmeow-afk> drug/pharma companies and docs have left me with real bad feelings, i just want to buy the stuff and back away quietly
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