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something funny 09:25 < gradstudentbot> Dropped my sample. 09:26 < eudoxia> just rub it a little and put it back in the microscope noone will notice 09:26 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 09:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-63-141.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:04 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:04 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:08 < kanzure> there should be a hardware site called hard fork 11:13 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@94.9.98.141] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hszhmliqmagzmcro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.139.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@206-248-156-17.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-50-161-113-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:44 -!- entelechios [~elysium@190.184.196.50] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:52 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.222.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:57 -!- Dantespeaks [~Dantespea@206-248-156-17.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 < kyknos_> paperbot: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2013/sc/c3sc52928b/unauth#!divAbstract 13:01 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-50-161-113-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Photoscopy%3A%20Spectroscopic%20Information%20from%20Camera%20Snapshots%3F.pdf 13:13 < nmz787> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/C3SC52928B 13:13 < katsmeow-afk> adobe won't open that 13:14 < kanzure> it's technically not a valid pdf 13:14 < kanzure> but also you shouldn't be using any adobe software because of how awful their track record is with security 13:15 < katsmeow-afk> yet it starts with %PDF-1.4 13:15 < kanzure> pdfparanoia manipulates every incoming pdf file in a way that makes it a technically invalid pdf file 13:15 < ParahSailin> it doesnt have xref table 13:15 < kanzure> it should have an xref table but pdfparanoia makes the xref table probably wrong 13:15 < katsmeow-afk> :-/ 13:16 < katsmeow-afk> :-/ 13:16 < ParahSailin> it doesnt even endstream and endobj that last stream object 13:16 < kanzure> hrm that seems worthy of debugging 13:16 < ParahSailin> kanzure: dont worry about it 13:17 < kanzure> huh? 13:17 < kanzure> oh do you have your super secret haskell pdf parser-generator yet 13:17 < ParahSailin> almost done 13:17 < kanzure> i was being facetious, i dunno if you're actually writing one 13:17 < katsmeow-afk> what do you suggest i open the mangled pdf with? 13:18 < ParahSailin> its unopenable 13:18 < nmz787> katsmeow-afk: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Photoscopy_Spectroscopic_Information_from_Camera_Snapshots_.pdf 13:18 < kanzure> there are, apparently, other problems with that pdf 13:18 < nmz787> it's because pdfparanoia is broken 13:18 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@214-137-212.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 < katsmeow-afk> then i am so glad we had this discussion 13:18 < nmz787> and i never pushed my changes because i thought kanzure might want me to keep my GUI stuff separate 13:18 < ParahSailin> actually lemme see if adding the endstream fixes it 13:18 < nmz787> the pdf i sent works 13:19 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Photoscopy%3A%20Spectroscopic%20Information%20from%20Camera%20Snapshots%3F.pdf 13:19 < nmz787> the manipulate command is broken 13:19 < katsmeow-afk> nmz is correct, and his file is 700k bigger 13:19 < ParahSailin> nope, the endstream and enobj dont fix it 13:19 -!- klafka_ [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 < nmz787> it might be due to this function being broken https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/blob/master/pdfparanoia/eraser.py#L10 13:21 < katsmeow-afk> nmz787 , the page caught my eye because i have collected a few Canon A530 for other photo reasons 13:21 < nmz787> it always skips the first object 13:21 < ParahSailin> fatal error seems to be a /undefined in /BXlevel 13:21 < nmz787> i wrote a fixed version, lemme upload it 13:22 < gradstudentbot> No, you definitely have a right to your own opinion. I just.. wish you wouldn't voice it. 13:23 * katsmeow-afk unplugs gradstudentbot 13:23 < gradstudentbot> Grant submitted. 13:27 < kanzure> nmz787: why is manipulate_pdf broken? 13:27 < kanzure> nmz787: why are you passive aggressively withholding code? 13:27 < kanzure> you're worried that i might say it could be better? big fucking deal... i often write terrible things that need to get fixed. 13:28 < uberj> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0900134X 13:28 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/368b4b2b263eda204151cd1aebf2a490.txt 13:28 < nmz787> no 13:28 < uberj> paperbot: you never work 13:28 < nmz787> i'm just busy and hate github 13:28 < kanzure> uberj: feel free to fix the bug 13:28 < nmz787> like now it's such a PITA to add code 13:28 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0900134X/pdfft?md5=e4909f0ac890901cf45ef009c299a33c&pid=1-s2.0-S0006291X0900134X-main.pdf 13:28 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6db31cc127ec1d0d85eabf725ac19e5a.pdf 13:29 < kanzure> uberj: there you go 13:29 < kanzure> man you guys all suck 13:29 < uberj> kanzure: ah, so I guess I'm not linking the right url 13:29 < kanzure> fix shit on your own i'm not going to always be around to fix bugs 4 seconds after you report it 13:30 < uberj> kanzure: where on the page did you find that url? 13:31 < uberj> in this case, paperbot isn't broken, its users are. 13:31 < kanzure> no, this is a paperbot bug 13:31 < kanzure> it's clearly in the html that paperbot returned to you 13:32 < uberj> gotcha 13:33 < nmz787> kanzure: here is the working code https://github.com/nmz787/pdf-watermark-removal/blob/master/pdf-watermark-removal.py#L213 13:33 < kanzure> you.. created a new repo? 13:34 < nmz787> sure 13:34 < kanzure> argh this is a fucking flask server 13:34 < nmz787> yep 13:34 < kanzure> separation of concerns *beats you with a stick* 13:34 < nmz787> well i forked from pdfparanoia then stopped using that pdfparser because you weren't actually using it to write 13:35 < nmz787> and the removal code you had was broken, and by writing the enumerate myself I elucidated how to properly write remove_object 13:35 < nmz787> i did not however write any unit tests as I know you mentioned there arent any 13:36 < kanzure> i haven't mentioned anything about the lack of tests of pdf-watermark-removal.git ever 13:36 < nmz787> as I stopped working on the javascript stuff because i needed to figure out the randomization of removing objects algorithm 13:36 < kanzure> i just learned about this repo 5 seconds ago 13:36 < nmz787> you're forgetting i said i forked it from your code 13:36 < nmz787> and you said you didn't have unit tests for the remove code 13:36 < nmz787> in your code 13:36 < kanzure> i think that adding an entire web server is a huge mistake and that it limits the availability of this in other contexts. eg. it means that if paperbot uses it, it suddenly has to run wsgi stuff.. 13:37 < nmz787> since this is basically the same with the addition of the image generation and flask stuf 13:37 < nmz787> well it can be broken apart 13:37 < nmz787> just easier to test with one file 13:38 < nmz787> anyway, it's generating images nicely from PDF pages, so presenting them to the user with "is the watermark gone yes/no" is all that's left 13:39 < nmz787> that binary search or whatever you mentioned 13:39 < gradstudentbot> Friends don't let friends go to super school. 13:43 < ParahSailin> http server for watermark removal? 13:43 < nmz787> for learning a new publisher 13:43 < kanzure> the object id is going to be different between each pdf 13:43 < nmz787> s/learning/training/ 13:43 < kanzure> it doesn't do that 13:43 < nmz787> you told me the first thing was to find the object that needed removing 13:44 < kanzure> yes, so that you can write a plugin for pdfparanoia that searches for similar objects 13:44 < nmz787> then you know what to search for content-wise in future 13:44 < nmz787> i thought 13:44 < kanzure> just knowing the id is not enough 13:44 < kanzure> knowing the id is necessary for starting the process of reverse engineering 13:44 -!- aelinoea [~aelinoea@a88-113-45-152.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44 < nmz787> nah i thought you'd search i nfuture with content of that object 13:45 < kanzure> the content is often obfuscated using whatever encodings that i probably don't know; often it's based on dimensions or geometry or coordinates 13:45 < kanzure> making a blocking http server for pdf watermark removal is really really bad. you should at least make it non-blocking, and then move all the watermark removal stuff into a separate module so that it's not dependent on wsgi/flask things. 13:46 < nmz787> also, seems like you'd just have to do it for a few papers from that publisher to see what their watermark data was, do a diff between all the watermark objects you've collected 13:46 < kanzure> diffing the content of the watermark objects wont tell you much 13:46 < nmz787> you also said with a binary search of removing objects you usually get it in 6-8 hits 13:47 < kanzure> i was talking about a manual process for starting the reverse engineering process 13:47 < nmz787> so i am fine with doing that for each pdf i upload for now until we can get the training part working better 13:47 < nmz787> for now even just for debug i think it's vaulable 13:47 < nmz787> it wasn't very slow or anything 13:48 < ParahSailin> no, diff the same paper downloaded from different locations 13:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: he's talking about something else.. 13:48 < kanzure> ParahSailin: he wants to create some svm thing for detecting the watermark objects based on 'training data sets' instead of the plugin approach where a programmer figures out how to remove the watermark 13:48 < nmz787> sure, so the IP is different, so but hopefully they aren't encoding with error-correction 13:48 < nmz787> i.e. nested interleaved data 13:49 < nmz787> which i doubt they are using 13:49 < ParahSailin> dont really need to do something that wild to train detection 13:49 < kanzure> ParahSailin: otherwise i can't explain why he is using the word 'training' if he didn't mean machine learning.. 13:49 < nmz787> so i'd think the IP section of the coding would be different, but the "You downloaded from Springer.com" wouldn't be 13:49 < nmz787> svm? 13:49 < nmz787> no way 13:50 < nmz787> you told me that i should randomly remove objects til it was gone and my content wasnt 13:50 < kanzure> fuck you, learn to read 13:50 < nmz787> so i made the function to get any pdf page 13:50 < nmz787> as a png 13:50 < ParahSailin> removing entire objects is going to break many pdfs 13:50 < kanzure> yes 13:50 < ParahSailin> because often the watermark is part of the same stream as the content 13:50 < kanzure> i was explaining a manual process for identifying a watermark's object id 13:50 < kanzure> by a binary search of removing objects 13:50 < nmz787> and i wanted to present to myself that image with a yes/no box, along with a count of the # of objects currently removed 13:51 < kanzure> and then once you find the id, you can identify how to find it more easily (geometry, size, placement, encoding, etc) 13:51 < ParahSailin> you just want to remove that particular BT ... ET section 13:51 < kanzure> i didn't tell you to randomly remove objects and the ncreate machine learning training data sets or whatever 13:51 < kanzure> *then 13:52 < nmz787> i was under the assumption you just removed any object, since that's all pdfparanoia looked like it was doing 13:52 < nmz787> in the plugins 13:52 < kanzure> it's removing a specific object 13:52 < kanzure> each plugin finds a very specific object 13:52 < nmz787> there are no machine learning ANYTHING in my head with this project 13:52 < nmz787> you segued onto that somehow but it's not me man 13:52 < kanzure> you keep saying 'training' and 'diff the watermarks' 13:52 < nmz787> yes 13:52 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53 < nmz787> the difference should only be the IP address 13:53 < nmz787> which is somehow encoded 13:53 < nmz787> if it isn't using error-correction or encryption it will be surrounded by the same journal watermark text 13:53 < kanzure> what the hell does that have to do with making a flask server :( blaaaaah 13:53 < nmz787> "you downloaded from Springer.com from IP 000.000.123.122 have a nice day 13:53 < nmz787> " 13:54 < nmz787> you're stuck on that 13:54 < ParahSailin> i think you should be happy that he pushed stuff onto github 13:54 < nmz787> that's minimal 13:54 < kanzure> ParahSailin: or angry that he doesn't listen 13:54 < nmz787> that's just how i wanted to connect to the user 13:54 < nmz787> it's that you are going asperbers and not seeing my perspective 13:55 < kanzure> your user that is writing a pdfparanoia plugin? 13:55 < nmz787> i don 13:55 < nmz787> 't use nodeJS or any phantomJS or whatever 13:55 < kanzure> what does nodejs or phantomjs have to do with this now ? 13:55 < nmz787> because that's what you'll suggest if i ask about displaying a PNG 13:56 < kanzure> you shouldn't be displaying a png in the first place! separation of concerns 13:56 < kanzure> just generate a png, and then a ui layer (whatever the user chooses or if another developer spits it up over http, fine) chooses 13:56 -!- Adillian [~Adillian@94.9.98.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56 < kanzure> s/) chooses/) displays/ 13:56 < nmz787> i chose web UI layer 13:56 < kanzure> yeah and then you stuck all your pdf parsing code into the same thread 13:56 < nmz787> and flask was like 20 lines of code i already had 13:57 < kanzure> as the request/response 13:57 < nmz787> so very simple! 13:57 < nmz787> you sucl 13:57 < kanzure> but it's also wrong and broken and forces everyone else who imports this file to use wsgi/flask 13:57 < nmz787> k 13:57 < nmz787> your coding help sucks 13:57 < nmz787> you 13:57 < nmz787> 're mean 13:57 < kanzure> what do you not understand about my suggestions? 13:57 < nmz787> and rude 13:57 < kanzure> i disagree about my coding help sucking, maybe you can tell me what you don't understand or disagree with 13:58 < nmz787> no 13:58 < kanzure> yes i'm mean and rude, i have every right to be given the previous conversation before today *plus* your continued actions 13:58 < nmz787> I have a farmer to go help build a barn with 13:58 < nmz787> I do more than just code 13:58 < nmz787> you can't understand that 13:58 < nmz787> you never have been able to understand why biologists can't use computers 13:59 < nmz787> and you don't realize that i fall between them and you 13:59 < nmz787> and you don't know how to see or understand my perspective 13:59 < nmz787> maybe you are the one not thinking things through thorougly 14:00 < nmz787> i wrote a bunch of code, I wasn't rude at all 14:00 < kanzure> code can be rude and do rude things :) 14:00 < nmz787> I wanted to write a plugin but I couldn't understand it 14:00 < nmz787> I found errors in your code 14:00 < nmz787> I knew you wouldn't like flask so I didnt fork your code 14:00 < kanzure> i explained how it worked to you and you asked questions and then i clarified (not today) 14:01 < kanzure> i like flask just fine, for web servers 14:01 < nmz787> sorry I lacked attribution to you 14:01 < nmz787> you also know I wrote a flask server to receive pdfs from my browser 14:01 < kanzure> you found errors but you expected me to have 100% complete coverage of all of modern science, which is completely unreasonable. i also said i was filling to accept bugfixes and new features. 14:02 < nmz787> and i've mentiond wanting to integrate watermark removal, so flask is no more overhead in my existing application 14:02 < kanzure> (i never advertised pdfparanoia as working across all known publishers) 14:02 < nmz787> sorry i didn't attribute your codebase, ParahSailin too I guess and whoever else, I'll try to fix it but I have to go now. 14:03 < nmz787> I just wanted to make things better. 14:03 < nmz787> Sorry I tried. 14:03 < nmz787> Do you blame me for being mad? 14:03 < katsmeow-afk> my dog, shhesh 14:03 < nmz787> Sorry for that too, if so. 14:06 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:09 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13 < ParahSailin> nmz787: for future reference, its easiest to use gs and https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/ghostscript/source/38a0cb22a559ee2492ecf77be8361fcd30346a4a:toolbin/pdfinflt.ps to inflate a pdf then browse it in text editor 14:13 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> nmz787 , would you know a glue that will stick to 2 liter pop bottle plastic? 14:16 < Qfwfq> ParahSailin: Good tip, thanks. 14:17 < kanzure> you should do the thing where you draw ids on each object instead of asking a user to do things over HTTP. then you just spit out a png and you can identify the ids on each page. 14:18 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-158-73-232.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 < katsmeow-afk> hmm, locktite construction adhesive 14:44 < kanzure> not the most useful visualization but whatevs http://binwalk.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/pdf_3d.gif 14:53 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07 -!- lupfantomo [~lupfantom@24-159-24-229.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 < FourFire> hello everyone 15:24 < FourFire> I'm feeling that my hardware is corrupted a lot today :( 15:39 < Dantespeaks> I just got a Core 2 quad at 2.33ghz, 4gb ram. and ive been using a Pentium 4. 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