--- Log opened Fri Jan 17 00:00:35 2014 --- Day changed Fri Jan 17 2014 00:00 < entelechios> the title i referred to is a collection of varying ideas on the subject of biophysics as it relates to consciousness, many of which are in opposition to each other 00:01 < kanzure> yes i looked at it, it looks like a typical "classic/quantum" debate 00:01 < entelechios> nah 00:01 < kanzure> either the summary is wrong or the book is just genuinely boring 00:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:01 < entelechios> well, got anything more interesting or are you just going to spew acerbic attitude all over a channel that used to be way more intersting before you were the #1 person to fill it with chatter at all 00:02 < kanzure> "more interesting"... yes, i was having a pleasant conversation with archels (who works in a neuroscience lab of some sort) 00:03 < kanzure> someone who apparently is more informed about the drawbacks of these theories than you :\ 00:03 < entelechios> yeah, archels is chill, you were giving him the exact same bullshit though. not constructive or interesting or pleasant. 00:03 < kanzure> blah 00:03 < kanzure> it doesn't look like that at all, he was complaining about penrose 00:04 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:04 < entelechios> seen obviously 00:11 < ruphos> what is the unobvious way to see, and what is it that is being seen? 00:12 < entelechios> this is what i see -- shitty attitudes that do absolutely nothing to encourage the general population to aspire towards giving a damn about anything we care about 00:13 < entelechios> on top of doing absolutely nothing to bring any of ourselves who might feel like things are hopeless in terms of getting it together enough to see beyond our little bubbles of perception 00:13 < entelechios> to somewhere more useful 00:14 < entelechios> the unobvious way to see? i'm sure we could work it out 00:22 < ruphos> while that still doesn't explain what your "seen obviously" comment means, I'll bite. Why does a shared label mean that we have the same end goals? 00:23 < entelechios> coming back to this conversation... i doubt the unobvious way to see things has anything to do with your typical attitudes of 'ugh fuck off' when someone isn't on the same level as you may be. a shared label, well, clarification on what you mean by that? 00:23 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24 < entelechios> and 'seen obviously' as in i had read the conversation and was referring to kanzure acting as if i hadn't 00:28 < ruphos> presumably people are here, idling, lurking, chatting or otherwise do to a shared interest in transhumanism, h+, diy etc. (or are feds, because internet.) Often people translate an interest into a label they can use to generalize expectations of behavior. 00:28 < entelechios> heh the feds do. 00:28 < entelechios> in this channel, specifically. 00:30 < entelechios> someone got busted in here for getting too chatty not too long ago 00:31 < ruphos> oh? do tell 01:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:20 < delinquentme> soooooo bio-it world is claiming (ish ) that illumina is owned by apple 02:20 < delinquentme> =/ 02:24 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-108-39-210-212.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:37 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:50 -!- eudoxia 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http://www.coindesk.com/reality-keys-bitcoins-third-party-guarantor-contracts/ 08:35 < kanzure> i feel like the name "reality keys" could be a hilarious joke about something like cognitive dissonance 08:35 < kanzure> "Unreality Financial Holdings, Inc." 08:36 < kanzure> "Your Funds Are Probably Okay, Inc." 08:36 -!- alonso_ [~alonso@84.79.68.155] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- pysdp [~alonso@84.79.68.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:54 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://microcorruption.com/ you must play 09:04 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:20 -!- delinquentme [~asdfasdf@pool-108-39-210-212.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- alonso_ [~alonso@84.79.68.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:04 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.204] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- delinquentme 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jrayhawk> nmeth787 is definitely a classier pseudonym 12:13 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:13 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:24 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:17 -!- klafka [~klafka@c-24-6-18-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:41 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:57 -!- venturecommunist 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