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08:24 < delinquentme> So I managed to find a hand held sensor which measures ~350 VOCs :D
08:24 < delinquentme> Not sure on the price yet ... or which specific VOCs .. but waiting for a list ... Theres tons of work being done making these really small sensors ...  but a hand held is small enough to mount remotely :D
08:24 < delinquentme> facemasks + measuring exhaled compounds
08:25 < delinquentme> anything to give us more information on whats going on in the body
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09:33 < ParahSailin> hm i could definitely use a voc sensor
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11:56 < heath> kanzure: why are you using angular btw?
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12:01 < kanzure> heath: i have no idea
12:01 < kanzure> heath: figured i would try something other than backbone for once
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12:02 < kanzure> i wrote a lot of gulp-related things yesterday for my build system
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12:02 < kanzure> i definitely like it, compared to grunt that i just tolerate
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12:02 < kanzure> gulp+browserify is just hilariously simple
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12:03 < heath> s/angular/react/g "for good time
12:03 < kanzure> i am a little bit unsure why angularjs has so many eyeballs on it
12:03 < heath> I've started playing with Om
12:03 < kanzure> where are these yeoman people coming from?
12:03 < kanzure> i think they might all be googlers but i'm not sure
12:04 < heath> s/angular/om "rather
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12:04 < kanzure> heath: none of your regexes make any sense today
12:04 < heath> :)
12:05 < heath> https://github.com/swannodette/om
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12:05 < heath> http://vuejs.org/perf/
12:05 < kanzure> https://github.com/ChtiJS/chtijs.francejs.org/blob/gulp/gulpfile.js
12:05 < heath> Om is where it's at
12:06 < kanzure> oh sure, i definitely believe those performance results- angularjs does seem cluggish in a few places, but i haven't identified why
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12:10 < kanzure> heath: i dunno man.. https://github.com/swannodette/todomvc/blob/gh-pages/labs/architecture-examples/om-undo/project.clj
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12:11 < heath> https://gist.github.com/heath/8919206
12:11 < heath> that came from http://www.deepbluelambda.org/programming/clojure/dart-vs-clojurescript--two-weeks-later
12:12 < heath> it pretty much sums up my experience with clojurescript so far except that i'm not reconsidering coffeescript/angular/grunt/etc.
12:13 < kanzure> drop grunt. no reason to keep it around.
12:13 < kanzure> unless you're doing some really insane builds?
12:15 < kanzure> a while back i was trying to get grunt/requirejs/r.js/almond to play well together for builds and testing but then i realized i hated the world so i stopped
12:15 < heath> hm, i don't know how insane it is... a typical deploy task will look like:
12:15 < heath>     'clean', 'harp', 'copy:build', 'filerev:img', 'usemin', 'filerev:css', 'usemin', 'cdn:templates', 'html2js', 'concat:app', 'uglify', 'filerev:js', 'usemin', 'cdn', 'copy:deploy', 'aws_s3:assets', 'aws_s3:html'
12:15 < kanzure> tell me what these are: harp cdn aws_s3:*
12:15 < kanzure> i'm not really sure why you are calling usemin so many times :) just do it once?
12:16 < kanzure> surely the aws_s3:* tasks are for deployment..
12:16 < kanzure> oh, deploy task. right.
12:17 < heath> cdn = grunt-cdn2
12:17 < heath> using harp to compile stylus, jade, coffee files
12:17 < heath> and deploying it all to an s3 bucket
12:17 < kanzure> oh, grunt-cdn2 just does url manipulation on resources.. got it.
12:18 < kanzure> yeah, this is all gulp-compatible at the moment, except for harp which i'm not sure about
12:20 < heath> also i've switched from using classes to a more fp style of writing controllers
12:21 < kanzure> show?
12:23 < heath> https://gist.github.com/heath/8923492
12:28 < kanzure> i've never seen the second approach used in the angularjs world
12:28 < heath> I wrote an entire project like that
12:29 < kanzure> sometimes they return a dict to hide some of the earlier internal state stuff
12:29 < kanzure> hrm
12:30 < kanzure> is $scope and $state passed into the constructor in the second case?
12:31 < kanzure> this is closer to what i've written: https://github.com/angular-app/angular-app/blob/master/client/src/common/security/security.js
12:32 < heath> yeah, updated the gist for you
12:33 < heath> The only reason for the switch is that it feels nicer, you don't have @scope, or @state all over the place
12:40 < heath> i really dig pythons' consistency
12:40 < heath> ignore incorrectly placed paren
12:40 < heath> https://gist.github.com/heath/8923724
12:41 < heath> it's not listed, but... i just remembered after reading these just how easy it is to read .py
12:43 < heath> k
12:43  * heath gets back to work
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14:47 < kyknos_> still no paperbot?
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15:08 < pasky_> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24268336
15:08 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.cvsm.2013.09.005
15:08 < pasky_> aw, 404
15:09 < pasky_> hmm, i wonder how large its equivalence classes are
15:09 < pasky_> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195561613001976
15:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cfa679fb92f5c346fb5fb0f6e75083c1.txt
15:10 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ShoppingCartURL&_method=add&_eid=1-s2.0-S0195561613001976&originContentFamily=serial&_origin=article&_acct=C000054237&_version=1&_userid=1694017&_ts=1392073761&md5=1a7dd9ef11793b56013ba3105e4e8d12
15:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/bef775146bc3b1f1e038fae2c8541d44.txt
15:10 < kanzure> huh. okay.
15:10 < kanzure> oh yeah, that's the purchase link
15:10 < kanzure> that makes sense
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16:03 < juri_> kanzure: seen pdfedit?
16:03 < chris_99> ooh yay paperbots back :)
16:08 < kanzure> no i haven't
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16:27 < FourFire> well, I just Really realized what the term "uncanny valley" means
16:28 < FourFire> who in here has seen the movie "Her" ?
16:32 < curt1s> FourFire: i just got a screener, gonna watch
16:33 < curt1s> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/will-a-nicotine-patch-make-you-smarter-excerpt/
16:33 < FourFire> a screener?
16:33 < curt1s> yeah
16:34 < curt1s> dvd distributed to people who are eligible to vote for awards
16:35 < FourFire> ok, of that movie
16:35 < curt1s> yes
16:35 < FourFire> well have fun
16:35 < curt1s> good?
16:35 < curt1s> i do love joaquin phoenix
16:35 < chris_99> it sounds interesting, did you enjoy it FourFire
16:36 < curt1s> The Master was one of my favs of the last few years
16:36 < curt1s> also starring the marvelous, now-dead philip seymour hoffman
16:36 < curt1s> :(
16:38 < curt1s> anyway re: "Smarter," (link above) i have seen some of the papers suggesting protective effects of nicotine
16:38 < curt1s> probably a few years ago already
16:38 < FourFire> chris_99, not done watching
16:39 < FourFire> only made it to minute 77
16:39 < chris_99> aha, enjoy the rest then
16:39 < FourFire> where i was very suddenly struck by "uncanny valley"
16:39 < FourFire> like, for the first time ever
16:39 < curt1s> but besides that, everybody who has ever smoked probably knows nicotine is cool :D
16:39 < curt1s> i quit tobacco years ago but have recently come to appreciate the e-cig
16:40 < curt1s> nicotine without the tobacco is pretty sweet
16:40 < FourFire> I think gwern.net has a piece on it
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16:41 < curt1s> FourFire: nice, found it
16:41 < chris_99> i'm really looking forward to Transendance and The Zero Theorem
16:44 < FourFire> yeah Johnny depp as a singularitan
16:44 < FourFire> looking forward to that
16:45 < FourFire> I haven't heard of Zero theorem: is it indie?
16:45 < curt1s> ohh yeah super excited about transcendence
16:45 < curt1s> directed by chris nolan's DP
16:46 < curt1s> should be pretty cool-looking if nothing else
16:46 < chris_99> it's by terry gilliam FourFire
16:47 < curt1s> zero theorem stars christoph waltz
16:47 < curt1s> phenomenal actor of inglorious basterds fame
16:47 < curt1s> some good movies coming out this year
16:47 < chris_99> mm
16:47 < FourFire> oh yeah I've seen that trailer
16:48 < curt1s> im really looking forward to lars von trier's Nymphomaniac
16:48 < curt1s> looks super unpleasant
16:48 < curt1s> but intriguing
16:48 < FourFire> looked somehow reminiscent of "being john malkovich"
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17:11 < nsh> wat
17:11 < nsh> talking about films?
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18:33 < curt1s> yes nsh films
18:33 < curt1s> sort of quaint i know
18:34 < curt1s> but a pleasant interlude
18:34 < kanzure> nsh: i wasn't aware of the origin of the term chaordic until recently
18:34 < kanzure> nsh: seems relevant to the times
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22:14 < archels> Fees include lunches, coffee breaks and a wine reception on the evening of Monday 31st March.
22:15 < archels> crikey, a wine reception on the first day of a 4-day conference?
22:16 < kanzure> that's how you know they're serious, i guess
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