--- Log opened Tue Mar 18 00:00:35 2014 00:15 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 00:27 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@2001:67c:2190:c0de:b9ad:8484:8813:510e] has quit [Quit: UAA] 00:30 -!- WWIII [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:36 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:41 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 02:37 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:42 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 02:42 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:42 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:02 < justanotheruser> kanzure: did you do something with XCP at the texas conference? 04:14 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:38 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:46 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:05 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:09 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:11 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:41 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Quit: ...unyaaa ~~~] 05:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 05:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 05:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:59 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:09 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:14 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:14 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:15 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 < cluckj> oh nice oron catts is here today and tomorrow 06:25 -!- dbolser [~dbolser@unaffiliated/faceface] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:25 < dbolser> hihi 06:26 < dbolser> anyone using meta/master/ether coin? 06:26 < dbolser> I'm curious if they're practical systems or not 06:26 < dbolser> api/domain/comput coin etc 06:27 < dbolser> anyone created an alt coin from scratch? Looking for a how to (just for fun) 06:27 < FourFire> I wish coinmining would do folding@home 06:27 < FourFire> or other *@home computation 06:27 < dbolser> FourFire: that's the idea of compute coin I think... 06:27 < dbolser> FourFire: else we can make it 06:28 < FourFire> the miners have so much computation which they are just turning into heat, it's insane 06:28 < dbolser> FourFire: ok, lets make it 06:28 < dbolser> proof of work is reproduceability 06:29 < dbolser> thinking about asic resistant cryptographic proof of work algorithms? 06:29 < dbolser> isnt' there some turing generator sort of solution that can create arbitrary algorithms? 06:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 < FourFire> dbolser do it the same way they do the highscores on folding@home 06:30 < FourFire> I think they give out the same work several times 06:30 < FourFire> and answers which "agree" win 06:31 < eudoxia> processing and verifying transactions isn't "just heat" 06:35 < eudoxia> w 3 06:35 < eudoxia> ugh crap 06:37 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:38 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:46 < FourFire> probably sensationalist, but I am glad this advance has been made: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/genetics/the-worlds-first-bionic-plant-16604565?click=pm_latest 06:46 < FourFire> Improving the energy manipulators of life, with nanotechnology 06:47 < cluckj> that's pretty cool 06:51 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:54 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-80-116-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-224-128-93.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:59 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 07:20 < dbolser> they absorb light better... 07:20 < dbolser> I can do that more cheaply... 07:23 < FourFire> dbolser, cool, if you can write me the DNA sequence which will make that grow... I'll dedicate some portion of my life making photosynthetic human skin a thing 07:24 < dbolser> promote over three times higher photosynthetic activity than that of controls 07:24 < dbolser> ^^ that's a much stronger claim ;-) 07:24 < FourFire> (and it will be a thing regardless, the only question is how long before it happens) 07:24 < dbolser> FourFire: spinkle in black poweder, they'll absorb light better 07:24 < FourFire> yeah, I'll need the DNA to make it grow it's own powder 07:25 < FourFire> or dark pigment thingy 07:25 < dbolser> sprinkling woudl be cheaper... 07:25 < dbolser> anyway, the latter point wasn't made in the former article 07:25 < FourFire> cheaper? 07:26 < FourFire> recursive cycles of growth using protein synthesis and other cellular chemical production methods seems pretty cheap on a large enough scale 07:26 < dbolser> sure, but you have to factor in RnD 07:26 < FourFire> you could, hell, even make a virus which turns people into glucose producing people 07:27 < FourFire> yeah, RnD is a major initial investment, but it's not a recurring cost, unless you are "upgrading" 07:27 < dbolser> yu 07:27 < dbolser> yup 07:27 < FourFire> and the black powder needs to be inside the chlorophylls right? 07:27 < dbolser> anybody eaten any criper c9? 07:28 < FourFire> so it's a bit more refined than "sprinkling black powder" 07:28 < dbolser> FourFire: the original article just said 'they absorb light better', which means nothing 07:28 < dbolser> black powder absorbs light good 07:28 < dbolser> the paper makes a much more interesting claim, it was just vague reporting that set me off 07:29 < FourFire> oh right 07:29 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 07:29 < FourFire> I haven't read it yet 07:29 < cluckj> what is the claim in the paper? 07:29 < dbolser> I've only read teh abstract 07:29 < dbolser> but it's much better :-) 07:31 < dbolser> anyone got the pdf? 07:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:51 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-4356bfd0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- WORLDWARTHREE [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:56 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:09 -!- drewbug [~drew@fsf/member/drewbug] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:09 < drewbug> paperbot, http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn3029327?journalCode=ancac3 08:10 -!- rk[lies] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Visibly%20Transparent%20Polymer%20Solar%20Cells%20Produced%20by%20Solution%20Processing.txt 08:10 < dbolser> thanks paperbot 08:11 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.75] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:11 < dbolser> oh 08:39 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52 < kanzure> just[dead]: no, but i met an xcp person 08:53 < kanzure> dbolser: i think counterparty is practical. i haven't seen the mastercoin implementation yet. ethereum is going to be a bloodbath at launch. 08:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-4356bfd0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:01 -!- drewbug [~drew@fsf/member/drewbug] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-47-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:19 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:39 -!- strangewarp_ is now known as strangewarp 10:02 -!- voodster [~je@95.129.166.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:05 -!- voodster [~je@95.129.166.182] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 10:08 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 10:15 < justanotheruser> kanzure: Mastercoin is still a ways from being done. It also seems to have many pointless features IMO (can't work or are already covered by BTC) 10:19 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:24 < dbolser> kanzure: how do you mean? (bloodbath) 10:24 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:24 < dbolser> I've been reading about etherium (the white paper) and it talks about metacoin, but I'm not sure if that's the same as mastercoin 10:25 < dbolser> kanzure: counterparty is basically colored coin? 10:26 < dbolser> is lack of simplified proof of payment a big problem? 10:26 < dbolser> (for colored coin) 10:27 < eudoxia> i'd like to know too 10:34 < justanotheruser> dbolser: blood bath as in (at least what I think is going to happen) DoS at the best, arbitrary code execution at the worst 10:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:44 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- woddy_ [~woddy@ip-95-222-193-229.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:08 -!- woddy_ [~woddy@ip-84-118-8-129.unity-media.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:16 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 11:21 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- kyknos_ is now known as pinkiepie 11:22 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:23 <@archels> so, anyone read into this 'practopoeisis' paper yet? 11:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 11:26 < kanzure> just[dead]: nope i meant bloodbath as in, everyone is going to cry foul with how they distribute or mine ethers 11:27 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 < kanzure> dbolser: counterparty is technically not a colored coin (although it serves the same purpose). apparently people who say "colored coins" really mean "colored satoshis". 11:29 <@archels> oh there's a blogpost http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis/ 11:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-22-241.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 11:31 <@archels> "The paper ends with the Searle’s Chinese Room argument" how jolly 11:34 < cluckj> lol searle 11:35 < kanzure> my thoughts exactly 11:41 <@archels> it all sounds pretty vague... but Nikolic works with some pretty respectable people. not sure what to think 11:41 <@archels> he's on the Advisory Board of the Lifeboat Foundation too 11:41 < kanzure> i'm p. sure everyone is on the board of the lifeboat foundation 11:41 < kanzure> at least 3 people in this channel are 11:41 <@archels> haha 11:41 < kanzure> and i was offered once, but i declined or told them to go fuck a goat? i forget 12:22 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:23 -!- voodster [wonnaby@shell.bshellz.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:27 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 -!- voodster [wonnaby@shell.bshellz.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:44 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.75] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:52 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56 < kanzure> [(status)] irssi: relocation error: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libresolv.so.2: symbol __sendmmsg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference 12:58 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 13:06 < justanotheruser> kanzure: If ethereum doesn't have major vulnerabilities within the first week (unlikely) I'm almost certain someone will take the 10 minutes to re-release it without the premine. 13:13 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 < kanzure> sure, agreed 13:21 < kanzure> "I do have some early role models. I recall wanting to be a real-life version of the fictional "Sandor Arbitration Intelligence at the Zoo" (from Vernor Vinge's novel A Fire Upon the Deep) who in the story is known for consistently writing the clearest and most insightful posts on the Net. And then there was Hal Finney who probably came closest to an actual real-life version of Sandor at the Zoo, and Tim May who besides inspiring me with his ... 13:21 < kanzure> ... vision of cryptoanarchy was also a role model for doing early retirement from the tech industry and working on his own interests/causes." 13:21 < kanzure> http://lesswrong.com/lw/jgz/aalwa_ask_any_lesswronger_anything/ap3c 13:22 < kanzure> "It's Chinese Pinyin romanization, so pronounced "way dye". ETA: Since Pinyin is a many to one mapping, and as a result most Chinese articles about Bitcoin put the wrong name down for me, I'll take this opportunity to mention that my name is written logographically as 戴维." 13:23 < justanotheruser> What is this? 13:23 < kanzure> wei dai is one of the suspects for being satoshi nakamoto 13:23 < kanzure> and also his posts are pretty cool 13:23 < kanzure> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1997/04/msg00398.html 13:23 < kanzure> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1996/05/msg00980.html 13:24 < kanzure> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/10/msg00062.html 13:25 <@archels> interesting grassroots movement http://www.pro-test.it/ 13:26 < justanotheruser> kanzure: maybe. I don't think that's very strong evidence though. He merely was a cypherpunk and some cypherpunks are bound to talk about selling CPU power, or anonymous money. 13:27 < kanzure> justanotheruser: yes, i certainly agree that there's a problem regarding the strengths of various pieces of evidence 13:28 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you implying that together they are strong evidence? 13:28 < kanzure> no i am implying that this is a problem no matter the person you're talking about 13:29 < kanzure> i don't have "definitive evidence" 13:29 < kanzure> and i don't want to claim that i do 13:29 < kanzure> and i don't think i did 13:33 < ParahSailin> bayes theorem 13:38 < kanzure> use your words 13:50 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 14:26 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:32 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-193-16.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:37 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 14:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:39 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:49 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:50 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@utdpat242089.utdallas.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:04 -!- Giant456 [d03605ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.5.234] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:08 -!- Giant456 [d03605ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.5.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24 -!- pyotr [~hrouhan@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@host-80-47-103-27.as13285.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55 -!- woddy_ [~woddy@ip-84-118-8-129.unity-media.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01 -!- sacredhatred [~sacredhat@98.159.23.111] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 < sacredhatred> word 17:19 < kanzure> sup 17:26 < sacredhatred> not much, printing a cable chain, waiting on chinese people.. same ole 17:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@utdpat242089.utdallas.edu] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 18:13 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-48-163-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b2c0:ab00:f0:41c4:bae6:e378] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 < eudoxia> >vinge 18:21 < eudoxia> >not zindell 18:21 < eudoxia> oh well 18:26 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39 < catern> >implying on irc 18:49 < kanzure> eudoxia: well, zindell recycled a lot of vinge stuff 18:49 < kanzure> eudoxia: and i'm sure vinge was recycling a bunch of.. other stuff. 18:53 < eudoxia> the thing with zindell is that it's written very strictly from the point of view of the future 18:53 < eudoxia> and it's very hard to know if, for example, zindell knew about MNT or just sort of made it up 18:53 < eudoxia> because the descriptions of things are so abstract 18:54 < kanzure> even if he did know about MNT he still would have written about it that way 18:54 < kanzure> some of his opinions are a little annoying- like no clocks or internet 18:54 < kanzure> "why use internet when you can just use karma?" 18:55 < eudoxia> i vaguely remember something about the timekeeping hoarding all the clocks 18:55 < eudoxia> what was that all about? 18:55 < eudoxia> s/timekeeping/timekeeper 18:55 < kanzure> his son has down's syndrome :\ 18:56 < kanzure> http://www.astrologywithmelody.com/Astrology_with_Melody.com/Astrology_with_Melody.com/About.html 18:57 < kanzure> why did i say 's 18:58 < ParahSailin> i thought they cured that one 18:58 < eudoxia> i always thought it was "down's" 18:58 < eudoxia> apparently it's both 18:58 < ParahSailin> in like the 70s 18:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00 < kanzure> eudoxia: i think the next interesting scifi book will be from someone that has completely read orion's arm, tmp2, and the standard scifi regiment (maybe) 19:01 < eudoxia> http://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ? 19:01 < kanzure> standard regiment not required.. "hoo hoo a giant computer in the sky, guess you guys didn't see that one coming" 19:01 < kanzure> yes 19:01 < kanzure> that is a thing from eric hunting 19:02 < eudoxia> didn't know about it, thanks 19:02 < eudoxia> have you read simon funk's afterlife? 19:02 < kanzure> no 19:02 < eudoxia> http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/ it's pretty good 19:03 < kanzure> tbh most of the scifi that i should have read a long time ago i actually have not read 19:03 < eudoxia> same boat 19:03 < kanzure> i just rely on you assholes to have read them for me 19:04 < sacredhatred> eh 19:05 < sacredhatred> I'm much to busy 3d printing jesuses to read 19:05 < sacredhatred> purple jesuses with lightning bolts on them! 19:10 < kanzure> eudoxia: i think i'd like to try a book eventually 19:11 < eudoxia> writing? 19:11 < kanzure> yes maybe. or paying someone else to do it. either way. 19:14 < sacredhatred> http://www.amazon.com/Deceptions-Myths-Bible-Lloyd-Graham/dp/0806511249 19:15 < eudoxia> do you have any ideas in mind already or do generally want to write a book? 19:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:15 < kanzure> sacredhatred: who are you 19:15 < sacredhatred> that's the last book I read... 19:15 < kanzure> eudoxia: no, i don't want to write a book for the sake of it, i just genuinely think that there's insufficiently good hard scifi around 19:15 < sacredhatred> it was very strange 19:15 < sacredhatred> I'm nobody :) 19:17 < eudoxia> i should lock myself in a bunker for a few months without internet and finished my perpetually-WIP novel, but i'm afraid i'd just use the time to write code 19:18 < kanzure> the problem with orion's arm is that if you just dumped all its text into a book format it would be incomprehensible and slightly inconsistent 19:18 < eudoxia> by the time it was done, i'd emerge from the bunker to find we'd already reached mars and unified all fundamental forces 19:19 < kanzure> they try to maintain consistency by not contradicting themselves, but there are different levels of knowledge about technology in different articles 19:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:19 < kanzure> so one article talks about a certain type of tool, but then another seems completely unaware of the other 19:19 < sacredhatred> you guys make me want to get drunk 19:19 < kanzure> why are you here? 19:19 < eudoxia> i once read an article in OA about a downed probe using *quantum entanglement* to transmit data FTL 19:20 < WORLDWARTHREE> free booze 19:20 < sacredhatred> heh 19:20 < eudoxia> that's cryoprotectant fluid 19:20 < kanzure> hmm i thought orion's arm banned FTL stuff? 19:20 < sacredhatred> i saw this channel on a "3d printing irc channel list" 19:20 < sacredhatred> on google. 19:20 < eudoxia> kanzure: which is why i was surprised 19:21 < kanzure> that's unfortunate 19:21 < kanzure> and another example of why it's not suitable to be dumped straight into a book 19:21 < kanzure> and all of the "short stories" are pretty suspicious too. it feels like none of the authors have read all of the other content. 19:22 < catern> i read passages in the void a few days ago and it was pretty good hard sci-fi http://localroger.com/ 19:22 < eudoxia> i would pay good money for something set in a vaguely OA-like universe with the writing style of cordwainer smith 19:22 < eudoxia> cause i really like cordwainer smith and i really like magnetic monopoles 19:27 < kanzure> link? 19:29 < catern> kanzure: asking me? it was http://localroger.com/ 19:29 < eudoxia> it's pretty impossible to find his collected works, that was one of the two books i ever had to buy online 19:30 < kanzure> catern: nope, you had already provided a link 19:30 < catern> right 19:32 < eudoxia> libgen has a few of his books, the union of which should more or less be his whole work 19:34 < kanzure> "the oa isn't good enough" fan club 19:34 < kanzure> "also everyone should be using plan9" 19:41 < eudoxia> s/plan9/a custom-built Connection Machine for testing nematode emulations 19:42 < catern> kanzure: do you not like plan9? 19:43 < kanzure> i was making a joke about hplusroadmap 19:43 < kanzure> see, people in here tend to be aware of the bullshit in what others would consider fringe topics 19:44 < kanzure> it is obscure to find people who generally participate in transhumanist projects but think that the way that transhumanism is presented or commonly tlaked about to be complete shit 19:44 < kanzure> equally obscure would be an orion's arm fanclub 19:44 < kanzure> or, even more obscure, a fanclub that thinks that orion's arm is insufficiently orion's-army 19:44 < eudoxia> or an eleitl fan club 19:44 < kanzure> hah 19:45 < kanzure> all 3 members 19:45 < eudoxia> *toot* 19:46 < eudoxia> wait, you and me, who's the third? 19:46 < eudoxia> the guy who wrote that book? 19:46 < kanzure> oh i'm sure there's a third in here somewhere 19:46 < kanzure> pmetzger? 19:47 < eudoxia> yeah 19:47 < eudoxia> i wonder if he's satoshi 19:47 < kanzure> dunno, he's been preoccupied with molecular nanotech stuff for a long time 19:48 < kanzure> but he does have a history in private equity and investment banking 19:48 < eudoxia> he has a computer security background and is an ancap 19:48 < kanzure> too bad he hates me 19:49 < eudoxia> did you bug him about nanoengineer 19:49 < kanzure> no i believed he bugged /me/ 19:49 < kanzure> he was also spending a lot of time at upenn 19:49 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:50 < eudoxia> apparently he hates tom moore too 19:50 < kanzure> wow i met him at hplus summit 2010? i even emailed him about meeting him. 19:50 < kanzure> i don't remember that. 19:50 < eudoxia> they had a fight about aromatic molecules 19:50 < kanzure> "Spoke to you yesterday at H+. I mentioned that I focus on MNT research." 19:51 < kanzure> "You mentioned to me, among other things, that some people are trying to resurrect the Nanoengineer 1 code. I'd be very interested in that." 19:51 < eudoxia> i think he went to upenn to study chemistry 19:51 < kanzure> 917-846-5484 19:51 < kanzure> straight line to satoshi nakamoto you heard it here first 19:52 < eudoxia> hahaha 19:52 < kanzure> did you see the logs when he /joined? 19:52 < eudoxia> i remember seeing him in the logs, yes 19:52 < kanzure> hmm i see some emails from him to debian-users 19:52 < eudoxia> i think it overlapped with the period in ~2008 when eleitl was on here? 19:52 < kanzure> and i know he's run the cryptography list with an iron fist 19:53 < kanzure> eleitl wasn't around in here in 2008. it was only later that he started joining. 19:53 < kanzure> "Eugen, although I'm pleased I met Bryan this way, I don't really want my private cellphone number in public archives forever. Could you fix that?" 19:53 < kanzure> huh. that's interesting. 19:54 < kanzure> people are pleased to meet me! winning. 19:54 < eudoxia> eleitl was leaving us evidence! 19:54 < kanzure> i wonder if i wrote down what we talked about 19:55 < kanzure> i talked with 35 people that day? 19:55 < kanzure> damn. no tags. 19:55 < kanzure> well i remember meeting jcluck that day 19:55 < kanzure> but not pmetzger 19:55 < kanzure> i mean cluckj 19:57 * eudoxia looks that up 19:57 < eudoxia> kanzure grandma called me to tell me that she's "excited about the singularity" 17:39 19:57 < eudoxia> kanzure <3 17:40 19:57 < eudoxia> hhahahha 19:57 < eudoxia> cluckj lmao 19:57 < kanzure> best way to describe her is... lwaxana 19:59 < jrayhawk_> http://www.leitl.org/ this is a good surrealist site 19:59 < kanzure> i think he befriended a schizo at some point 19:59 < kanzure> actualcv.html:i become fascinated with Eugene whose lisp i can understand when i am not on Olanzapine, visit Germany 20:00 < kanzure> notes1.html:Joseph magically appeared at Eugene's. he said, "do you want vaginal muslces? you can have 20:00 < eudoxia> hah yeah i noticed that a while ago 20:00 < eudoxia> freaky paintings 20:00 < kanzure> it used to be a file server 20:00 < kanzure> i don't know where he has moved the files to 20:00 < eudoxia> it used to have an empty blog 20:00 < kanzure> superkuh might have a backup, but it would be presently owned by the feds 20:00 < eudoxia> only one post about how mike darwin's excellent blog had convinced him to start one 20:01 < kanzure> *in the possession of the feds 20:01 < kanzure> yes he went gooey legged about that chronoblog first post 20:01 < kanzure> "hey look someone has studied the history of cryonics and isn't an idiot!" 20:01 < kanzure> chronopause? 20:01 -!- aristarchus [~aristarch@unaffiliated/aristarchus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01 < eudoxia> yeah 20:02 < eudoxia> i wonder of eleitl's schizo friend is satoshi 20:02 < kanzure> nah it's more likely that eugen is just a huge softy under the hood 20:03 < jrayhawk_> haha 20:03 < kanzure> and got attached to someone 20:03 < kanzure> and now feels bad about it 20:03 < eudoxia> 'sylvia leitl' sounds like family 20:04 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: is memory loss a common schizo claim? 20:06 < jrayhawk_> AFAIK memory loss is a common symptom, but I don't know much about the mechanics of it. 20:06 < kanzure> interesting. i don't see memory loss claims from the schizophrenics that come into here. 20:07 < jrayhawk_> any cognizance they have on their own deficits they're likely to blame on external forces 20:07 < jrayhawk_> s/ on / of / 20:07 < kanzure> CIA memory editing? 20:08 < eudoxia> why does this channel attract so many schizo folk anyways 20:08 < kanzure> ooh remote memory disablement. 20:08 < jrayhawk_> transhumanism is where fantasy has the highest plausibility of becoming relaity 20:08 < jrayhawk_> reality 20:09 < kanzure> i like that there's an entire class of mental porblems that involve conspiracy theories about the CIA and NSA 20:10 < kanzure> maybe other channels get schizophrenics at the same rate 20:11 < kanzure> #lisp "your closure is reading my thoughts please turn it off" 20:12 < eudoxia> ha 20:12 < jrayhawk_> http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01927276 ugh, TRIAL FASTER, RESEARCHERS 20:14 * eudoxia yawns 20:14 < eudoxia> good night everyone, dream of uploading 20:14 < kanzure> is there a good article that shows off the organizational structure of alqaeda? wikipedia doesn't mention the cells. 20:14 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-48-163-155.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:42 < kanzure> "Workarounds are possible without a fork but transactions refer to other transactions by txid and with the current malleability you can't reference any transaction which aren't yet in the block chain. To fix this requires an overhall of the bitcoin signature system or of the txid and that would mean a soft fork." 20:42 < kanzure> i suppose there are use cases for that 20:50 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system#Non-traditional_models.2C_exemplified_by_al-Qaeda 20:52 < kanzure> that is way less interesting than i remember it 20:52 < kanzure> "Modern communications theory has introduced methods to increase fault tolerance in cell organizations. In the past, if cell members only knew the cell leader, and the leader was neutralized, the cell was cut off from the rest of the organization. Game theory and graph theory have been applied to the study of optimal covert network design (see Lindelauf, R.H.A. et al. 2009. The influence of secrecy on the communication structure of covert ... 20:52 < kanzure> ... networks. Social Networks 31: 126-137)." 20:53 < sacredhatred> i gave it a shot 20:53 < sacredhatred> :/ 20:54 < kanzure> gave what a shot? 20:54 < sacredhatred> the alqueda wiki 20:56 < sacredhatred> why so interested in alqueda, or is it just the social structure your interested in? 20:59 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@hwaet.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 599 seconds] 20:59 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 599 seconds] 20:59 -!- juul [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@hwaet.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@129.110.242.89] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:07 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:09 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 21:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:27 < justanotheruser> paperbot: google.com/testingpaperbotserrormessage.pdf 21:28 * kanzure shakes his head 21:28 < kanzure> why not just read the source code? 21:49 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@129.110.242.89] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 21:53 < justanotheruser> kanzure: Oh, I forgot he was on github 22:00 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2606:6000:b2c0:ab00:f0:41c4:bae6:e378] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:17 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:23 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:50 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.75] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:04 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Wed Mar 19 00:00:36 2014