--- Log opened Wed Mar 19 00:00:36 2014 00:58 -!- pyotr [~hrouhan@24.60.79.55] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 01:18 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:44 -!- pinkiepie [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03 < dbolser> justanotheruser, kanzure: ty 02:03 < dbolser> 'use your words' lol 02:04 < dbolser> hplus coin? 02:04 < dbolser> I want to start an alt coin from scratch just for learning 02:19 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.75] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:27 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- Adifex [~Adifex@rrcs-50-84-151-141.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Just going out for a swim...] 03:11 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qigpqbxwezinaavc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:00 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:05 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:14 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 05:34 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-20-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:38 -!- _Sol_ [~SolGr@c-50-166-90-49.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:38 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-20-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-20-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:40 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-20-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 06:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-20-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 < sacredhatred> good morning 06:50 < eudoxia> hi hi 07:00 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-224-128-93.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-235-235-238.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:01 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:04 < kanzure> dbolser: then you might as well use coingen.io 07:04 < kanzure> dbolser: but you could also just use testnet or regtest if you want to learn 07:05 < kanzure> dbolser: e.g. testnet-in-a-box (but really, i prefer regtest) 07:06 < eudoxia> i think with he meant "from scratch" as in from scratch 07:07 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:18 < kanzure> i doubt it, all the stupid altcoins are never from scratch 07:19 < eudoxia> it would probably be a lot of work to start from scratch 07:19 < kanzure> ooh look at me fucking scared of doing things :) 07:19 < kanzure> "work"! 07:19 < kanzure> hehe 07:20 < eudoxia> plus there's the fact that bitcoin is battle-tested and a new from-scratch coin would have a shitload of security holes 07:20 < kanzure> most of the forks have security problems anyway 07:20 < dbolser> scratch-ish... 07:20 < dbolser> fork 07:21 < kanzure> https://index.docker.io/u/freewil/bitcoin-testnet-box/ 07:21 < dbolser> tys 07:27 < kanzure> scienceexchange just spammed me about ubiome 07:27 < kanzure> so i guess ubiome isn't dead yet 07:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 < eudoxia> has anyone proposed a cryptocoin with some form of universal basic income? 07:36 < kanzure> proof of stake? 07:37 < eudoxia> not just for miners 07:38 < kanzure> jojack was proposing a concept of social bonds 07:38 < kanzure> where everyone gets a distribution of the bonds and they are transferable to whoever 07:38 < kanzure> and at some point in the future they mature into a payout 08:04 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qigpqbxwezinaavc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:13 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_disclosure_(mailing_list) 08:13 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7427865 08:14 -!- nsh [~nsh@86.141.90.242] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:14 -!- nsh [~nsh@86.141.90.242] has quit [Changing host] 08:14 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- pyotr [~hrouhan@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:16 < kanzure> hm what's CISSP https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7428563 08:16 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 08:38 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@ool-44c47d29.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-79-151.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@ool-44c47d29.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-20-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06 < cluckj> certified internal security professional 09:07 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-95-223.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-95-223.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 09:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-95-223.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ is now known as kuldeepdhaka 10:14 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@host81-147-57-86.range81-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:16 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:19 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:21 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.136.75] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:33 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@static-108-52-197-34.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 < phillyj> hey kanzure, the Sambrook manual you got on diyhpl.us didn't seem to download properly for me. You know if it's broken? 10:36 < phillyj> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11189251 11:00 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01 < kanzure> no i don't know 11:09 < kanzure> phillyj: rename to .djvu and use a djvu viewer to view it 11:10 < phillyj> ooo 11:10 < phillyj> ic 11:49 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@static-108-52-197-34.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 11:55 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@ool-44c47d29.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:58 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-95-223.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:58 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:10 -!- kuldeepdhaka 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may have forged ParahSailin's name, i forget 13:02 < ParahSailin> cluckj: you know how in textbooks there are parts labeled "exercise left to the reader" 13:03 < kanzure> textbooks? this ain't no learnatorium. 13:03 < ParahSailin> this is example of shovel-ready project just ripe for new contributors 13:04 < kanzure> that's for sure.. a very large chunk of paperbot can easily be thrown out and refactored pretty fast. 13:07 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:07 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 < cluckj> lol 13:14 < cluckj> I started writing about paperbot today, and I think I need to know more about it 13:15 < kanzure> imagine a pile of crap 13:15 < kanzure> and then imagine an even bigger pile of crap 13:15 < kanzure> and uh.. well i don't know what to imagine next, but the point is crap. 13:15 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 13:16 < cluckj> okay 13:17 < cluckj> by crap you mean the code? 13:17 < kanzure> yes 13:17 < cluckj> it seems to work, most of the time 13:17 < cluckj> despite the crapitude 13:17 < kanzure> everything in this function is bad: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py#L18 13:18 < kanzure> programming is like engineering, like building an airplane that is meant to not fall apart and be generally maintainable 13:18 < kanzure> and the source code in that file is not anything nearly maintainable or good 13:18 < kanzure> very little separation of concerns 13:18 < kanzure> no tests 13:18 < kanzure> hardcoded edge cases in the wrong places 13:19 < cluckj> so it's a slapdash hack to (barely) perform its duty (sometimes)? 13:19 < kanzure> dependency on phenny even though phenny isn't actually necessary for anything that the non-bot related portion of paperbot does 13:19 < kanzure> yes and i deeply regret doing it that way 13:19 < cluckj> why? 13:19 < kanzure> you may be interested in seeing v2 https://github.com/kanzure/papermonk 13:20 < kanzure> because it means that it makes it impossible for others to contribute to 13:20 < kanzure> including myself in most cases, unless i have time to rewrite all of it or whatever 13:20 < cluckj> lol 13:23 < cluckj> I'm afraid I need to ask some really stupid questions 13:24 < cluckj> please let me know when you have a few minutes? 13:24 < kanzure> i'm around 13:25 -!- entelechios [~elysium@mail.2bett.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- entelechios [~elysium@mail.2bett.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:28 < cluckj> alright, thanks 13:29 < cluckj> let me try to rephrase these so they aren't so obtuse 13:29 < kanzure> you can also call me if you prefer 512-203-0507 13:29 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:30 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 -!- ruthie 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