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02:10 < dbolser> kanzure: did you take part in the counterparty burn? Sounds awesome!
02:10 < dbolser> I'm going to set up a delete coin burn...
02:11 < dbolser> (all my info comes from LTB)
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04:44 <@archels> "Werbos [...] said we could open up a Pandora’s Box of problems if we keep innovating without knowing what we’re doing."
04:44 <@archels> maybe this guy should look up 'innovation' in a dictionary
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07:13 < kanzure> just[dead]: then link to it
07:14 < kanzure> just[dead]: and yes, the way you said it made it sound like a joke
07:14 < eudoxia> the way he said it made me think he was quoting someone, but there were no quotes
07:14 < kanzure> dbolser: i participated in hte burn and also i have contributed changes to counterparty upstream
07:14 < kanzure> dbolser: i also have rewritten counterparty (or at least a large chunk of it)
07:25 < dbolser> kanzure: in a fork? or upstream?
07:25 < dbolser> I'm going to try to get some LTBcoin just to understand the mechanics a bit better
07:25 < eudoxia> dbolser: https://github.com/PhantomPhreak/counterpartyd/commits?author=kanzure
07:25 < dbolser> I want to start trashcoin, you mine it by picking up trash
07:26 < dbolser> there is a 'pictographic proof of work' principle within a gamified wot
07:27 < dbolser> is that origin?
07:28 < dbolser> but I want to write up the 'trash paper' before spamming it around
07:28 < dbolser> I'm 0% near an implementation
07:28 < dbolser> the coin is totally incidental, but it makes sense to have it rather than a random 'score'  with no significance outside of the project
07:29 < dbolser> and pictographic proof of work is obviously just a joke, but it's one idea we've had to stop people gaming the system
07:33 < kanzure> dbolser: i have a friend who proposed trashcoin to me. he literally used that same pitch.
07:33 < kanzure> dbolser: he started obsessive-compulsively picking up trash one day for no reason and figured it should have some monetary value
07:33 < kanzure> well, anyway, there are practical reasons why it's a bad idea
07:34 < kanzure> my counterparty reimplementation is not quite a fork.. it's just an alternative because xnova/phantomphreak clearly do not know how to package software well.
07:34 < eudoxia> how would pictographic POW work and not be gameable
07:34 < kanzure> he admitted as much
07:35 < eudoxia> you could just go around taking pictures of trash bins
07:35 < eudoxia> unless it requires a GIF of you picking it up and throwing it in the dumpster
07:35 < kanzure> taking pictures of trash bins is not necessary, you could just generate blender scenes
07:35 < eudoxia> and uses face recognition to detect it's actually you
07:35 < eudoxia> right
07:35 < dbolser> no
07:41 < kanzure> dbolser: pm
07:45 < kanzure> also, i recently picked eric hunting's brain about this topic and he emailed me back this, http://privatepaste.com/7a791990ef/asdf3801
07:48 < cluckj> did ckelty get back to you?
07:49 < kanzure> no
07:50 < cluckj> oh well
07:50 < cluckj> he might...academic email responses run real slow
07:51 < kanzure> it's not exactly something i expect a reply to
07:51 < kanzure> i'll probably get a related email in about 7 years
07:51 < kanzure> which is okay
07:52 < cluckj> hahaha
07:52 < chris_99> ThomasEgi, about?
07:53 < ThomasEgi> about what?
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07:53 < chris_99> check this heh "The entire meter’s data is recorded in a Ferro-electric Random Access
07:53 < chris_99> Memory (FRAM) under the control of the microprocessor"
07:54 < kanzure> eudoxia: what repo was it trying to clone?
07:54 < kanzure> eudoxia: really i don't think that the skdb package downloader is a good idea. separation of concerns..
07:55 < eudoxia> kanzure: i just wanted the packages to run it on them and test what works
07:55 < eudoxia> for a requirements.txt file (it's a start)
07:55 < eudoxia> and the repo was screw
07:55 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, this thing has fram? like where?
07:55 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/srv/git/lego.git
07:55 < chris_99> ThomasEgi, the RTC thing is also FRAM
07:55 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/srv/git/dremelfuge.git
07:57 < eudoxia> "fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /srv/git/lego.git"
07:59 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, you tapped into the i2c bus?
07:59 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: poke? see eudoxia's error message.
07:59 < chris_99> not yet, i'll try and do that later, will break out a logic analyser
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08:08 < dbolser> My first impl. is, if people want to game, let them game. Who cares realy.
08:09 < dbolser> when I thought about coin, I thought miners could go to an area that had been 'cleaned', and take a photo to prove it, confirming the original 'transaction'
08:09 < dbolser> photos are flagged as clean or not and can be viewed on a forum
08:09 < dbolser> people can go take pictures of trash and upload them for other miners to go clean
08:09 < dbolser> mining involves either picking up trash or confirming trash has been picked up or reporting trash
08:10 < dbolser> wot is used to get past the need for picture proof within a short time
08:10 < dbolser> it's mostly a game, the coin idea came after
08:10 < dbolser> but again, srsly, you want to pretend to pick up trash? go ahead son, we don't mind.
08:10 < dbolser> there there, etc.
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10:00 < JayDugger> Good afternoon, everyone.
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12:38 < justanotheruser> hello
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12:48 < nmz787_i> can you see me?
12:49 < nmz787_i> I can't tell if I can see replies
12:49 < justanotheruser> nmz787_i: yes
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13:10 < nmz787_i> ok, i think this shouldn't kick me\
13:10 < nmz787_i> this setup
13:11 < nmz787_i> seems I can't ssh from work, due to proxies, tried using ncat with ssh but it didn't work
13:14 < chris_99> do they do DPI?
13:14 < nmz787_i> DPI
13:14 < nmz787_i> ?
13:16 < chris_99> deep packet inspection
13:20 < chris_99> i'm just playing around with my stm32 it's pretty awesome it comes with cool demos for the screen preloaded like a vid player etc
13:27 < nmz787_i> neat
13:28 < nmz787_i> so i can't tell which of these I should use, I figure most recent commit is the one I should choose... http://wiki.wxpython.org/wxGTKWebKit    http://www.gnu.org/software/pythonwebkit/      https://code.google.com/p/pywebkitgtk/
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13:59 < nmz787_i> or maybe just pyjamas desktop, which seems to be a mashup of those
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14:42 < jrayhawk_> augh, default release of testing
14:43 < jrayhawk_> well, here's hoping dist-upgrading to wheezy doesn't blow anything up
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15:46 < eudoxia> oh no, gnusha.org is down
15:46 < eudoxia> such sad, much where will i obsessively read the logs
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16:32 < giant20> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-642-22144-6_126
16:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b5950a62f14c46a636c4374ee88baa95.txt
16:36 < giant20> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-642-22144-6_126.pdf
16:37 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a5cb4ff7b20743019e0942a1281f90c5.txt
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16:46 < justanotheruser> eudoxia: I haven't seen kanzure here in a while, so it may be down for a while
16:47 < justanotheruser> wait, nevermind. the scrollback says he was here a few hours ago
16:49 < eudoxia> it just went back up
16:49 < eudoxia> apparently jrayhawk updated
16:58 < jrayhawk_> aaand now git is fixed
17:01 < kanzure> hello from denton, texas
17:01 < justanotheruser> hello kanzure
17:02 < kanzure> nmz787: i've done a bunch of pywebkitgtk stuff or even a little bit of webkitgtk+ stuff and pyjamas-desktop things, so ask away
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17:24 < eudoxia> hm git is still giving me the same errors trying to clone repos from both urls cgit provides
17:25 < eudoxia> huh, it clones 'lego' and 'diyhpluswiki' just fine, but with 'screw' and 'threads' it gives me a 'repo not exported' error
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17:29 < kanzure> hmm what was the command, recreaterepo?
17:29 < kanzure> reloadrepo?
17:30 < kanzure> bryan@gnusha:~/public_html/irc$ sudo rebuildrepo screw
17:30 < kanzure> You are not the owner of screw!
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17:30 < jrayhawk_> sudo sudo
17:30 < jrayhawk_> it's stupid, i am sorry
17:30 < kanzure> what
17:31 < jrayhawk_> the normal usecase is to use sudo for privilege escalation from a normal user
17:32 < kanzure> bryan@gnusha:~/public_html/irc$ sudo sudo rebuildrepo screw
17:32 < kanzure> Reloading web server config: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: 87: ulimit: error setting limit (Operation not permitted)
17:33 < jrayhawk_> that's just a warning, but i will go fix that
17:33 < kanzure> bit rot?
17:33 < jrayhawk_> vserver limitations
17:35 < kanzure> eudoxia: both threads and screw should be okay now
17:36 < eudoxia> kanzure: yes they are, thanks
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19:57 < jrayhawk_> also translation-server is broken and it was not clear whether that mattered
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