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kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.226.88.204] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.226.88.204] has quit [Changing host] 07:28 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@212.49.88.100] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 08:01 < justanotheruser> kanzure: you wrote this? https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=61ef1f90 08:01 < justanotheruser> I guess I should have checked the author 08:02 < eudoxia> they've been exposed to some weird memes 08:02 < justanotheruser> Didn't realize you were into dog training :p 08:02 < kanzure> shrug.. i went with a girl. 08:03 < eudoxia> maybe he wants to train the dogs, upload them, and see if the training sticks 08:03 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@159.171.124.1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:03 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:03 < eudoxia> you heard it here first folks 08:09 < kanzure> there was a surprising number of people that knew about deep brain stimulation (for doggies) 08:09 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 < kanzure> *suprising 08:26 < kanzure> it would be interesting to have something like this for dogs http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/664a7fef7c56221148ab75759d29f431.pdf 08:29 < kanzure> paperbot: http://findlab.stanford.edu/Publications/Parvizi_Neuron.pdf 08:29 < kanzure> "The will to persevere induced by electrical stimulation of the human cingulate gyrus" 08:30 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 08:35 < eudoxia> kanzure: the first paper doesn't seem to list a single good thing in the 'cognitive' column 08:35 < eudoxia> it's like a stroke simulator 08:36 < kanzure> i'm a little surprised that arbitrary electrical stimulation in the brain hasn't caused deaths 08:36 < kanzure> or maybe those go unreported? 08:38 < eudoxia> i don't know about death, but at least permanent damage of some kind 08:40 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 08:41 < kanzure> paperbot: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1307.2196.pdf 08:43 * kanzure pokes paperbot 08:43 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a804d2f94dd7ee259cdbdfd8c7bff4b0.pdf 08:44 < dbolser> I think if a death like state is induced, they turn it off 08:44 < dbolser> and the brain reboots 08:44 < kanzure> maybe the brain is highly resistant to arbitrary stimulation 08:45 < dbolser> you'd hope it's got good noise protection 08:45 * eudoxia waited for paperbot to deliver Parvizi_Neuron.pdf before he realized 08:48 < kanzure> oh good, someone has finally tested transcranial ultrasound on humans http://postlab.psych.wisc.edu/files/5413/9092/5377/legon_etal_natneuro.pdf 08:49 < dbolser> kanzure: publicly 08:49 < dbolser> I@m sure they do it all the tiem in gitmo 08:50 < kanzure> what does gitmo have to do with transcranial ultrasound? 08:51 < eudoxia> lol why would they use gitmo and not some underground black site in virginia 08:51 < eudoxia> more convenient 08:56 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56 < WORLDWARTHREE> as if that doesnt happen 08:57 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:59 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 09:01 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:02 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Client Quit] 09:02 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.224.211.61] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.224.211.61] has quit [Changing host] 09:02 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 < kanzure> oh yeah there was http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Transcranial%20ultrasound%20(TUS)%20effects%20on%20mental%20states%20-%20a%20pilot%20study%20-%20Stuart%20Hameroff%20-%202012.pdf 09:04 < kanzure> forgot about that one :| 09:07 < dbolser> transcranial stimulation... ur doin it rong 09:07 < kanzure> why? 09:08 < dbolser> just a random thougth that popped into my head... 09:08 < dbolser> it was supposed to be a joke 09:08 < dbolser> you can trust me, it's funny, so just laugh 09:09 < kanzure> i am laughing on the inside where it hurts 09:09 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-227-86-124.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-198-241-140.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 < kanzure> superkuh: "A quantitative overview of biophysical forces governing neural function" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1309.6277.pdf 09:11 < kanzure> superkuh: this might be weaker than the other material you had collected, though 09:12 < kanzure> https://github.com/igemsoftware 09:12 < kanzure> apparently igem.org requires their teams to submit software to their account on github 09:13 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 09:13 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you ever worried about the legal implications of running paperbot? 09:13 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:14 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:14 < kanzure> justanotheruser: no 09:14 < justanotheruser> ok 09:17 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:19 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-59-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:30 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 09:31 -!- eudoxia 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Actel's ProASIC3 is the targeted technology, other brands will come later" 10:13 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:18 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:24 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 < nmz787_i> jrayhawk: I beeped at you on skyline on saturday 10:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-52-40-119.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:56 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 -!- 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with http://fuckingshellscripts.org/ 16:13 < eudoxia> what a funny name, optimism bias 16:14 < eudoxia> >because you just use fucking shell scripts. 16:14 < eudoxia> >Step 0: Install the gem 16:14 < kanzure> "the 'i like being alive' bias" 16:14 < jrayhawk> yak shaving 16:14 < kanzure> yeah, step 0 seems to break the whole philosophy 16:15 < kanzure> i can't tell if yak shaving is your answer to the name of the bias or your response to fuckingshellscripts.org 16:16 < kanzure> also they embed aws secret keys into yaml files in your git repo 16:19 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:20 < poppingt`> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.disc.2009.09.023 16:21 < jrayhawk> i can't remember if it was douglas adams or scott adams who would characteize something as "superficial problems masking fundamental problems" 16:21 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4a197fa90b0aebdf6ce3bdf0611a7675.txt 16:21 < jrayhawk> characterize 16:22 < dingo> i like the sound of that 16:23 < kanzure> i bet there's going to be a lucrative career path for a while for anyone willing to clean up chef messes 16:24 < jrayhawk> The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in a moment of reasoned lucidity which is almost unique among its current tally of five million, nine hundred and seventy-three thousand, five hundred and nine pages, says of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation products that "it is very easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of them by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all." In other words, - and this is the rock-solid ... 16:24 < jrayhawk> ... principle on which the whole of the Corporation's Galaxywide success is founded - their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws. -Douglas Adams 16:25 < jrayhawk> "rearranging deck chairs on the titanic" is the popular rendering, i guess 16:26 < kanzure> i would argue that most fundamental design flaws are hidden in most things anyway 16:52 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:55 -!- poppingt` [~poppingto@212.49.88.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:19 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:23 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:35 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gggwuvqxbeudyqlo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:35 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.nature.com/nrmicro/journal/v1/n2/pdf/nrmicro753.pdf 17:36 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnrmicro753 18:00 -!- kyknos_ [~kyknos@2001:67c:2190:c0de:146a:33e4:c6f9:5b16] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:17 < dingo> < kanzure> i bet there's going to be a lucrative career path for a while for anyone willing to clean up chef messes 18:18 < dingo> there is still lucrative careers for cleaning up perl sysadmin messes 18:18 < dingo> its the new legacy 18:18 < dingo> i think this is what sysadmins just do best 18:18 < dingo> turning their production operations into a code & science experiment 18:19 -!- Vutral is now known as Dark_Horse 18:22 < eudoxia> if you want a picture of the future, imagine vinge's programmer-archaeologists 18:22 -!- pyotr [~hrouhan@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:44 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.151.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:45 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-85-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:58 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:59 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:10 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 19:12 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13 -!- Dark_Horse [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:14 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:24 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: austerity chic brand destruction] 19:30 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@ps95204.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04 -!- Adifex|zzz is now known as Adifex 20:06 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:08 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21 -!- justanotheruser is now known as just[dead] 20:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:19 -!- just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser 21:50 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52 -!- rigel_ [~yourmom@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:54 -!- rigel_ is now known as rigel 23:34 -!- rigel [~yourmom@c-76-105-237-98.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gggwuvqxbeudyqlo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Tue Mar 25 00:00:42 2014