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07:53  * heath is considering something worth learning
07:53 < heath> maybe ansible
07:53 < heath> kk
07:53 < heath> that's about all i've got right now, and it would be nice to automate the ec2 config stuff
07:56 < eudoxia> ansible is rather nice
07:56  * eudoxia has no knowledge of anything else and only picked it because it's what we use at work
08:11 < kanzure> heath: learn http://serfdom.io/
08:11 < kanzure> eudoxia: that's a terrible reason
08:12 < kanzure> eudoxia: was a deepness in the sky significantly worse than the first one?
08:13 < kanzure> because i read a deepness in the pie when i was 12 and didn't like it. of course, i was an idiot. but also, none of the things that people attribute to vinge remind me of anything i remember from that book.
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08:15 < kanzure> "a decentralized anonymous marketplace" https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2014-March/013304.html
08:30 < eudoxia> kanzure: i only read the first one, i got the reference from wikipedia.
08:31 < eudoxia> re decentralized service discovery, i read one of the ways bitcoin finds peers is joining some IRC channel for bots and /who'ingit
08:32 < eudoxia>  /who'ing it*
08:32 < chris_99> http://www.chrisdancy.com/ it doesn't actually seem to list what those sensors are though..
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08:54 < kanzure> looks like bitcoin reduced the size of OP_RETURN from 80 bytes to 40 bytes
08:54 < kanzure> http://www.coindesk.com/developers-battle-bitcoin-block-chain/
08:54 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21b4pm/developers_battle_over_bitcoin_block_chain/
08:54 < kanzure> https://www.counterparty.co/plea-bitcoin-core-development-team/
08:54 < kanzure> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg5815887#msg5815887
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08:54 < kanzure> also here is some stuff about a decentralized marketplace:
08:54 < kanzure> https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2014-March/013304.html
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08:54 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7464372
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08:56 < kanzure> "Core developer Mike Hearn has an idea to cut through the whole tangled mess. In fact, he had it in 2012, before Counterparty or Mastercoin even existed. Instead of trying to store lots of data in a special field in the block chain, why not simply store a pointer to a third party, P2P data storage pool, he asks? This could be achieved using something called a distributed hash table (DHT). That way it doesn’t matter how much data you want to ...
08:57 < kanzure> ... store, the impact to the block chain is always the same,” Hearn says. “Nobody is against that – it’s why OP_RETURN is sized to allow for hashes. DHTs come in conveniently reusable libraries so it’s hardly a big engineering challenge. Instead they turned it into some kind of stupid political fight."
08:57 < kanzure> "Using a DHT provides some but not all of the functionality needed for applications like counterparty. The way it would work would be with OP_RETURN outputs containing a protocol ID and a hash.. To make a transaction you form it, commit to it with an OP_RETURN of its hash, then insert it into the DHT. Then the DHT nodes can stop spam or false transactions by only accepting valid transactions that have a hash reference on the blockchain. That ...
08:57 < kanzure> ... means that you can be assured that all transactions you see are actually made by whoever controls the associated bitoin addresses. The problem is that a transaction's validity potentially depends on every single prior transaction - so the DHT has to be kept up to date with every single transaction. Now supposing that you just check that every OP_RETURN with a Counterparty identifier has a transaction in the DHT. If you see every ...
08:57 < kanzure> ... transaction, you know that you're up to date and can validate new transactions. The problem comes when someone starts making OP_RETURNs but withholding the inserts from the DHT. The whole consensus process grinds to a halt, because the hash might, but is not guaranteed to, refer to a valid transaction and so invalidate any later transaction. This is a real problem, because if you just carry on as normal, it becomes possible to do a ...
08:57 < kanzure> ... network-splitting attack, and without a PoW mechanism there's no obvious way of resolving it. What I hope is that there's a non-obvious way of solving it, but I don't know of any that don't involve other suboptimal solutions like merge-mining."
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09:02 < kanzure> some cheapo lytro cameras http://tech.woot.com/offers/lytro-light-field-digital-8x-opt-camera-3-colors see https://www.lytro.com/camera/
09:06 < chris_99> yeah the res is pretty poor alas
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09:49 < chris_99> http://lightfield-forum.com/2012/05/how-to-make-your-own-microlense-array-diy-lightfield-camera/
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10:09 < chris_99> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/10/16/1318325110.full.pdf+html seems really interesting
10:10 < chris_99> regarding c elegans and capturing the neuron output
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10:22 < kanzure> i dunno if this sounds like fun or not http://unbounce.com/photos/bbboxing.jpg
10:22 < kanzure> an in-person rhino design competition?
10:22 < kanzure> so in other words.. madly scramble to tweak your 3d meshes in the same room with everyone else?
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10:30 < catern> kind of like a hackathon for 3D modeling
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13:39 < jrayhawk> nmz787: kanzure: PSU's network is probably going to be mostly down 2014-03-27 from 22:00 to 24:00
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16:46 < justanotheruser> kanzure: what would happen if a coinbase tx paid to the XCP PoB address?
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17:05 < jrayhawk> irc://irc.counterparty.co/#xcp
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17:13 < kanzure> justanotheruser: i dunno, i haven't tried that situation. but i've been playing around with regtest.
17:14 < kanzure> justanotheruser: source code specifically caps it at some block number, so coinbase tx probably wouldn't matter
17:14 < kanzure> justanotheruser: also, joey is probably right about #xcp being a better place to ask, maybe
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17:33 < teseteresr> hi
17:34 < teseteresr> paperbot hi
17:34 < teseteresr> ~paperbot hi
17:37 < kanzure> hello teseteresr
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17:52 < teseteresr> paperbot
17:57 < teseteresr> how should i send a request to paperbod ?
17:57 < chris_99> paperbot: <url>
18:04 < teseteresr> paperbot: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0966692301000357?np=y
18:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Attitudes%20to%20traffic-related%20issues%20in%20urban%20areas%20of%20the%20UK%20and%20the%20role%20of%20workplace%20parking%20charges.txt
18:18 < teseteresr> paperbot https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0966692301000357
18:18 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/90798e6f66ded0a4056b69323737b3b5.txt
18:21 < heath> https://github.com/CyberCRI/DSynBio_reloaded
18:21 < kanzure> better luck next time
18:22 < heath> ^2d synbio game, talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYmyMhSOGc&index=45&list=PLt9cyv3LnAHdWFTosKHZadBceVNH3EWN9
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18:33 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs11606-010-1631-3.pdf
18:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9e4c833a1607b723788b52bfdafd99a1.pdf
18:36 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004192.pub3/pdf/standard
18:36 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8187f3bbb54f1bd212c6c3fd9d1e4a72.txt
18:38 < jrayhawk> paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/acm.2013.0188
18:38 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cd491843be90522262be4357415fa806.txt
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19:02 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24394384
19:02 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fncb2902
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19:15 < justanotheruser> If you can't get a paper, feel free to highlight me
19:17 < Lemminkainen> thanks justanotheruser
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19:21 < justanotheruser> I don't get all the messages even when it says I'm online though because of my znc
19:23 < Lemminkainen> saight, it's a rare problem I can't get a paper I want and I appreciate having fall-back options
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20:17 < kanzure> hrm http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html
20:17 < kanzure> "Many, many people have noticed that if we had a way to reliably record program execution and replay it later, with the ability to debug the replay, we could largely tame the nondeterminism problem. This would also allow us to deliberately introduce nondeterminism so tests can explore more of the possible execution space, without impacting debuggability."
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20:41 < ParahSailin> lol
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21:17 < nmz787_i> so ya'llz should take a look at my new site takeitapart.com, here's a sign-up code if you want to log in and try the image/video upload and crop functionality ;)  quickly-slide-its-plastic-switch-lk2gI-hplusroadmap
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21:34 < superkuh> The flexoelectric paper was interesting, thanks kanzure. Also, unrelated, Oculus VR acquired by Facebook. :(
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22:19 < jrayhawk> nmz787_i: your beta signup captcha iframe is character escaped: &lt;iframe src="..." height="300" width="500" style="frameborder: 0"&gt;
22:19 < jrayhawk> and the form succeeding it
22:20 < jrayhawk> well, just the form elements succeeding it, i guess
22:20 < jrayhawk> er, form inputs
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