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07:29 < kanzure> dingo: i was mostly joking, nobody in their right mind would want to do that
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07:45 < FourFire> kanzure, do what, exactly?
07:45 < kanzure> xml
07:47 < FourFire> eXtensive Markup Language?
07:48 < FourFire> yeah I don't know it, besides bastardizing other files to make horrid combo files to do things
07:48 < kanzure> good thing i didn't ask you
07:48 < kanzure> dingo and juri_ have been known to do humiliating acts of xml, that's why i specifically mentioned them
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08:13 < streety> I was at a talk just last week at which the presenter thought it would be a good idea to live code xml parsing
08:13 < streety> horrifying but you just can't look away
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12:04 < kanzure> "Restoration of eidetic imagery via hypnotic age regression: More evidence."
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12:14 < kanzure> "Eidetic children apparently blink to erase their persisting visual images (Leask, Haber, & Haber, 1969)."
12:17 < kanzure> from http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/pdf/10.2466/pms.1975.41.2.403
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13:15 < drazak> anyone in here used patser for dna motifs?
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13:24 < kanzure> you should bug ParahSailin about that
13:25 < drazak> ParahSailin: yo
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14:35 < kanzure> "In 2009, two Japanese individuals were arrested trying to smuggle $134 billion in US bonds into Switzerland from Italy. In 2012, Italian authorities seized $6 trillion in allegedly fake US bonds from safe-deposit boxes in Zurich (which were purportedly to be used to buy plutonium from Nigerian sources). And now, in 2014, The BBC reports, Italian police have arrested two men who were allegedly trying to deposit trillions of euros in fake ...
14:35 < kanzure> ... bonds in the Vatican bank."
14:37 < cluckj> kanzure, http://backstoryradio.org/shows/on-the-money-2/
14:38 < cluckj> tangentally about bitcoin
14:39 < kanzure> eww it's audio only
14:40 < kanzure> well that's inconvenient
14:40 < cluckj> I guess :P
14:41 < cluckj> they're excellent historians with good radio voices
14:45 < cluckj> there's a transcript
14:47 < kanzure> oh i didn't see it
14:49 < cluckj> I'm only 25 minutes in, so no spoilers from master roshi's school of speed reading
14:50 < kanzure> "the trick is to make shit up"
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15:19 < cluckj> hah
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15:58 < kanzure> XMLSyntaxError: internal error: Huge input lookup, line 9913877, column 244
15:58 < kanzure> welp time to find a pull parser
16:04 < dingo> lol line 9.9 million
16:05 < kanzure> what's the right way to parse a large xml file? lxml.etree.iterparse looks like it ends up loading the entire lxml file at the end
16:07 < dingo> well i think with iterparse, what you do
16:07 < dingo> is delete the nodes as you're done with them :-)
16:07 < dingo> It also allows to .clear() or modify the content of an Element to save memory. So if you parse a large tree and you want to keep memory usage small, you should clean up parts of the tree that you no longer need:
16:07 < kanzure> oh okay, so the final node (if you have deleted all of the children along the way) will be mostly empty
16:08 < dingo> a few pages into http://lxml.de/tutorial.html#incremental-parsing
16:08 < kanzure> should i prefer sax?
16:09 < dingo> perhaps, it depends, with sax you have to save state sometimes to understand the context that your callback was called under, and if you begin tracking too many state variables, you should probobly try something else
16:09 < dingo> if you're just looking for a few easily identiable leaf nodes, or text, sax is pretty good
16:10 < dingo> but if those leaf nodes can only be identified by their relative position, their parent's attributes, etc., you end up with some hairy code
16:10 < kanzure> i think this is up to 9 children deep and i want to split up the file into multiple files based on the 3rd level elements or something
16:11 < kanzure> i'll go for iterparse for now. not interested in writing a state machine.
16:11 < kanzure> heh an xml state machine
16:11 < dingo> yup
16:11 < kanzure> "jstor is 90% xsltproc running in a loop"
16:11 < dingo> the simplest one is just for each node, append() to a list the name, and pop() them on exit node
16:12 < dingo> then do something like if '/'.join(nodes) == 'a/b/c/d/e'
16:12 < dingo> poor man's xpath :-)
16:12 < kanzure> (memory poor)
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16:13 < dingo> jstor actually puts almost everything into oracle using batch xml processing
16:13 < dingo> since the xml is too fucking slow to parse live
16:13 < dingo> and solr
16:14 < kanzure> native xml column type in oracle?
16:14 < dingo> no, not at all, plain string, int types, etc.
16:14 < dingo> tables gets joined with business data/publisher data, metrics/analytics
16:14 < kanzure> (postgresql "recently" got a json column type)
16:15 < dingo> portico.org, a branch of jstor, does use an xml database, documentum
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16:44 < kanzure> dingo: tree.xpath("//\{http:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/xml\/export-0.6\/\}page")
16:45 < kanzure> dingo: what's the right way to make //{http://www.mediawiki.org/xml/export-0.6/}page a valid xpath?
16:45 < kanzure> the element's tag is apparently {http://www.mediawiki.org/xml/export-0.6/}page and not just page
16:48 < kanzure> oh.. nevermind. ugh.
16:51 < kanzure> lxml.etree.XMLSyntaxError: None
16:51 < kanzure> nice
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17:05 < kanzure> i wonder if it's safe to assume that mediawiki uses revision ids in monotonic increasing order
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19:24 < kanzure> meh http://rs.io/2014/04/05/anki-10000-cards-later.html
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19:50 < eudoxia> i would use anki if it stored cards like in YAML files in directories
19:50 < eudoxia> (not the XML import isn't good enough because i don't want to constantly import things)
19:50 < eudoxia> that way i could programatically generate cards from other stuff
19:51 < eudoxia> the same complaint applies to mnemosyne
19:52 < kanzure> after a few hundred thousand cards the whole system gets to become unuseful
19:54 < eudoxia> are you speaking from experience, or is that a projection?
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19:54 < kanzure> experience with supermemo
19:55 < kanzure> i spent the entirety of 2003-2005 wasting my time on supermemo cards
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20:01 < eudoxia> so, do you just read stuff now to learn it or did you come up with something new
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20:04 < kanzure> yes i just yell at my friends and peers until they give me the right answers?
20:10 < kanzure> http://gcbias.org/2013/11/11/how-does-your-number-of-genetic-ancestors-grow-back-over-time/
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20:22 < delinquentme> thought this was cool: http://www.calhounvision.com/intl/
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20:22 < delinquentme> ultraviolet laser-tunable eye lenses
20:22 < delinquentme> in clinical use outside of the US for the last 6 years
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