--- Log opened Mon Apr 14 00:00:39 2014 00:00 < archels`> paperbot: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08990220600700768 00:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9224876a1c3561692d4d94e296956d19.txt 00:01 -!- yottabit [~Heath@c-98-240-49-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:01 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:06 < archels`> norepinetree: me and another fellow are building a safer, open-source tDCS kit 00:06 < norepinetree> oooh 00:06 < kanzure> safer than what 00:07 < archels`> every single DIY kit on the web 00:07 < archels`> but thebrainstimulator.net in particular 00:07 < cpopell> wonder how far out we are from home tcus 00:08 < norepinetree> tcus? 00:08 < cpopell> ultrasound 00:08 < kanzure> "how far" what does that even mean 00:08 < kanzure> just build it 00:08 < norepinetree> like, how long until 00:08 < kanzure> until you stop waiting 00:08 < kanzure> wtf 00:08 < archels`> haha 00:08 < norepinetree> MOTIVATIONAL 00:09 < kanzure> yeah let's just sit around like a bunch of jackasses and demand that someone makes transcranial ultrasound equipment for us 00:09 < kanzure> that'll fucking work 00:09 < cpopell> I hardly demanded it 00:09 < kanzure> it was more of an implied demand 00:09 < kanzure> "how long until" is basically "when is someone going to do it for me" 00:10 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ 00:10 < kanzure> there are some schematics in there somewhere 00:10 < cpopell> Not really. I'm curious when it will hits hobbyists like tcds is now 00:10 < cpopell> *hit 00:10 < cpopell> I speculate this about plenty of things, as much as that frustrates you. 00:11 < kanzure> because you could just as well be speculating about any other thing you haven't built yet, like homebrewed semiconductors 00:15 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:17 -!- yottabit [~Heath@c-98-240-49-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:17 -!- yottabit [~Heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:17 < yottabit> kanzure: yeah, still getting paid 00:18 < yottabit> it's pretty nice, working from home most days 00:21 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:22 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 < kanzure> 20:52 < [\\\]> jgarzik, how large is the new bootstrap.dat? 00:23 < kanzure> 20:52 < jgarzik> 17G 00:23 < kanzure> eek 00:23 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.145.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 < kanzure> pedantry: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4015 00:30 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:31 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:35 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:43 -!- norepinetree [~chatzilla@cpe-108-185-140-10.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:45 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:45 -!- nsh [~nsh@host217-43-193-174.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has 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It can at least output a catalog in BiBTex format. http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/gui.html 04:41 < chris_99> thanks 04:41 < chris_99> i'll have a look 04:52 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:54 -!- Simurg [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:01 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:01 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:03 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:05 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.93.254] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 < mosasaur> I've been trying to interest people in something I call "Cage Theory" for some time now, but with little success so far. In fact I had kind of given up on it, here's one example of a comment I didn't even bother to post: https://www.privatepaste.com/d87b3a4a83 05:08 < mosasaur> But then I read this: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/11/going-loopy/ which kind of gave me new hope for this theory, so there I go. 05:10 < mosasaur> Even though I think the slatestarcodex post is too specific (focusing on disorders) and doesn't go into reasons for why things would be like this even for Artificial intelligences. 05:11 < mosasaur> By the way: Hi all ;-) 05:16 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:17 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.60.244] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.60.244] has quit [Changing host] 05:17 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:42 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- archels` [~neuralnet@sascha.esrac.ele.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.155.191] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:31 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.93.254] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:33 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@118-15-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:18 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@61-241-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 -!- blueskin is now known as HNM|work 07:49 -!- HNM|work is now known as blueskin 08:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:39 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ekhvlyjxeeqfawfp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.93.254] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- Jaakko910 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 -!- Jaakko910 [~Jaakko@cpc13-newc15-2-0-cust64.16-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:01 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ekhvlyjxeeqfawfp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:11 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.93.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:20 -!- voodster [~je@95.129.166.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- voodster [~je@95.129.166.182] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:31 < kanzure> eudoxia: extropians@gnu.ai.mit.edu was a pay-to-subscribe list 09:33 < eudoxia> kanzure: is that why you were asking for backups yesterday? 09:34 < kanzure> someone was asking me for backups 09:34 < kanzure> so i've been uploading the content i raided from max more's house: 09:34 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/ 09:34 < eudoxia> was it someone trying to find satoshi 09:34 < eudoxia> i mean, once you've exhausted the crypto ML, why not go for tangentially-related ones 09:34 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wazmywkvapnzslqm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:35 < kanzure> wei dai posted to extropians at least a few times 09:36 < kanzure> "The original focus was Libertarians. Do you expect freebies from hardcore Libertarians?" 09:38 < eudoxia> ,--8<- 09:38 < eudoxia> |Eugene Leitl wrote: 09:38 < eudoxia> |> 09:38 < eudoxia> |> I've never seen a definite answer to a recurring pet idea of mine: to 09:38 < eudoxia> |> (transiently) stellify Jupiter by means of a nuke detonated in its 09:38 < eudoxia> |> metallic (or at least somewhere deep enough where hydrogen is 09:38 < eudoxia> `-->8- 09:38 < eudoxia> > sufficiently dense) hydrogen layer. 09:38 < eudoxia> i guess eleitl used to be a lot less apocalyptic and more optimistic in the past 09:39 < kanzure> he's best thought of as a large fluffy cat 09:44 < eudoxia> it's funny, there are mentions of synaptic imaging being around the corner and a "Near Earth Asteroid prospector" thing 09:44 < eudoxia> 20 years ago was just like today but with bulkier computers! 09:45 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.155.191] has quit [Quit: lunchtime] 09:51 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined 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helpful even if it was well-implemented 11:11 < eudoxia> i agree with the NE thing 11:11 < kanzure> skdb has a lot of monolithic design in it 11:11 < eudoxia> what do you mean skdb is a bad implementation though? 11:12 < eudoxia> or, rather, what would you redo better? 11:12 < kanzure> the design is a result of a poor understanding of the nature of hardware and bootstrapping-manufacturing 11:13 < kanzure> if i had a better understanding of bootstrapping-manufacturing crossed with package management then i would be able to make a less monolithic design and split it into separate aspects 11:13 < kanzure> however, i don't 11:14 < kanzure> bootfacturing heh 11:14 < eudoxia> so you're saying it wouldn't be useful in the real world because it's built on a wrong understanding of manufacturing? 11:14 < kanzure> really the problem of moving matter and energy around to get reliable tools is a constraint optimization problem 11:15 < kanzure> because you can make cnc machines from parts you order from whatever supplier but also from scrap metal you find and then proceed to forge with 11:15 < kanzure> i'm saying it's not useful at the moment because the design is wrong 11:15 < eudoxia> hm 11:16 < kanzure> this specification is not enough to make useful hardware packages: 11:16 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/package_spec.yaml 11:16 < eudoxia> it is a little abstract 11:17 < kanzure> abstraction isn't itself bad 11:17 < kanzure> but say you have a thousand defined packages 11:17 < kanzure> now what 11:18 < eudoxia> i don't understand though why you were trying to do 3d part fitting 11:18 < kanzure> because you could find packages that satisfy the same constraints even if they are something "else" 11:18 < eudoxia> because skdb felt to me like a fairly abstract dependency manager, but then that feature constrains its operation to 3d lego-like stuff 11:18 < kanzure> hardware is applied to other materials and matter 11:19 < kanzure> so there's always a physical interfacing 11:19 < kanzure> maybe you don't have a foobar but you have a foobaz laying around that satisfies the requirements 11:19 < eudoxia> but describing some interfaces in formal terms could easily get too complex 11:20 < kanzure> suppose that there's no interface/port coordination in the package specification 11:20 < kanzure> so you have a thousand packages for various bits of hardware 11:20 < kanzure> now what 11:20 < eudoxia> i don't mean "remove interfaces" 11:20 < kanzure> no, it'sfine 11:20 < kanzure> i'm more interested in the other conversation 11:21 < kanzure> what is the actual incentive to make packages or have packages at all? 11:21 < kanzure> people make software packages so that they can install their software on their computers in a way that doesn't involve them manually repeating everything 11:21 < kanzure> and in a way that is standardized for all pieces of software on their computer 11:21 < kanzure> but the incentive for hardware packaging doesn't seem to be there 11:22 < eudoxia> well, even without completely formal and automated interfaces, software packaging could still be used to produce human-readable instruction manuals 11:23 < kanzure> dunno if instruction manuals are compelling, especially since nobody has been able to demonstrate that 11:23 < kanzure> plus, there's a lot of knowledge in manufacturing that is trapped in human brains that only gets out in long-form text 11:23 < kanzure> i.e., you can't wait for all that knowledge to be built into the abstractions itself 11:24 < kanzure> so unfortunately i predict that only manually-written documentation will work 11:28 < eudoxia> that makes sense 11:30 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:31 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-4356bfd0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:37 < kanzure> there's a bunch of products from dassault for flexcells and factories 11:37 < kanzure> that do automatic assembly things 11:37 < kanzure> but it 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13:55 < eudoxia> kanzure: certainly not to the *writer* of packages, and of course the *reader* has no incentive to use it over regular manuals 13:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:03 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:09 < kanzure> well that leaves basically nothing 14:11 < eudoxia> i suppose 14:19 < kanzure> the benefit is something like "for people like transhumanists that need to take advantage of a pile of lots of technology that they probably couldn't realistically figure out on their own with their available time" 14:19 < kanzure> but that's only a very highly/weirdly altruistic motivation 14:19 < eudoxia> i would have said extremely niche 14:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-50-128-96.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-50-128-96.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:40 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] 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15:54 -!- diegogarcia [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:57 -!- nsh [~nsh@host217-43-193-174.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:16 < kanzure> phased array speaker system http://people.ece.cornell.edu/land/courses/ece4760/FinalProjects/s2012/tcj26_ecs227/tcj26_ecs227/index.html 16:16 < kanzure> "For our ECE 4760 final project, we designed and built an array of 12 independently-controllable speakers to implement an acoustic phased-array system. The system samples a standard audio input signal at approximately 44.1 kHz, and then outputs this signal to each of 12 speakers, each with a variable delay. The idea behind a phased-array is that by changing how the speakers are driven the angle of the maximum intensity of the output wave can ... 16:16 < kanzure> ... be shifted." 16:21 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-156.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Quit: DANG] 16:28 < xentrac> what are the limits on phased-array beamforming gain? 16:28 < xentrac> I'd think that if you have a phased array of 10 points, the best you can do is about 20dBi, no? 16:29 < kanzure> superkuh: ping, i think you might know these things 16:29 < xentrac> since the best you can do is to have the peaks from all 10 speakers arrive at a point at the same time, so the peak will be 10× higher than the peak from any one speaker, or 100 times the power, or 20dB 16:29 < kanzure> isn't there a loss over distance 16:29 < xentrac> not relevant 16:29 < kanzure> or atmosphere 16:30 < xentrac> eventually, but we can ignore that for now 16:30 < xentrac> I guess that's actually only 10dBi since the 10 peaks arriving at random times still give you 10dB higher than if you just had one speaker turned on 16:40 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: bbye] 16:56 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.129.122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-50-128-96.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:07 -!- nsh [~nsh@host217-43-193-174.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:09 -!- sheena [~home@d108-180-136-243.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:31 < FourFire> ok, thatæs interesting: what's it for? 17:33 < kanzure> you're asking what sound shaping is for? 17:34 < kanzure> pretty difficult to do that by flapping your hands 17:36 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-50-19-10-147.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-82-55-101.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- sheena [~home@d75-155-198-81.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 < xentrac> FourFire: imagine a speakerphone that other people in the same room can only barely hear, without echo 17:49 < FourFire> ok 17:50 < FourFire> so, it's *directed* sound 17:50 < xentrac> right 17:50 < xentrac> imagine it tracks the position of your head and focuses the sound on your ear, and filters the microphone inputs so that sound that comes from your mouth has 20dB or 30dB gain over other room sounds 17:50 < xentrac> because phased array microphones work the same way as phased array speakers 17:50 < FourFire> ah I see the source speakers in the array don't even need to be audible, but the point of focus is 17:51 < FourFire> that is useful 17:51 < xentrac> well, with only 12 speakers, the gain is only 10dB 17:51 < xentrac> but if you had 1000 speakers, you could do 30dB, I think 17:51 < FourFire> 10 is 300% though right? 17:52 < xentrac> no, 1000% 17:52 < xentrac> and if you had a million speakers, like a plasma monitor has a million lamps, you could do 60dB, I think 17:53 < xentrac> which would be enough under many circumstances to make a sound that was inaudible from nearby, but audible far away, and is quite difficult to achieve with simple parabolic reflectors 17:54 < xentrac> consider also that you could use a system like that to map out your environment with sonar. 17:55 < xentrac> if you had a million microphones instead of a million speakers, you could make a picture of your environment by sound sources: bright lights where a sound source is found or reflected, and without losing the ability to finely analyze the spectrum of each pixel 17:55 < xentrac> this is basically how the Allen Telescope Array works, but in radio rather than audio 17:55 < xentrac> looking at the sky 17:57 < xentrac> now, a million microphones at 44.1ksps/16bps is 700 gigabits per second, so this is probably not a device someone will build for a few years yet 17:58 < xentrac> but it's a more advanced form of the anti-submarine warfare systems that have been deployed for decades 18:04 < cpopell> xentrac: this is how I specced out the detection system for next-gen LCIWS 18:05 -!- nsh [~nsh@host217-43-193-174.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:05 < xentrac> ...? 18:06 < cpopell> 14 TB/s video feed 18:06 < cpopell> for anti-seaskimming laser CWIS 18:07 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:09 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 < xentrac> ...LCIWS? 18:12 < cpopell> laser close in weapon system 18:12 < xentrac> aha 18:14 < xentrac> so you want to use phased-array detection... of lasers? I'm not totally sure 18:14 < cpopell> ah, I was thinking more the parallels in huge quantities of data 18:14 < xentrac> ah 18:14 < cpopell> phased-array optical stuff might be going on blimps some time soon 18:16 < entelechios> yeah those advertisement systems which target only certain people which were being researched were pretty funny 18:16 < entelechios> directional sound 18:16 < entelechios> sounds like a recipe for mental illness 18:17 < xentrac> yeah, I think those were supposed to work by another method 18:17 < xentrac> ultrasound (which is easy to make directional) being converted into audible sound by nonlinear acoustics inside your ear canal 18:17 < entelechios> yeah 18:18 < entelechios> hmm ultrasonic neuromodulation 18:18 < entelechios> i wonder what kind of advances are being made in that right now behind the DARPA curtain 18:18 < entelechios> http://www.tylerlab.com/projects/ultrasound 18:18 < cpopell> entelechios: look at their FY2015 budget request 18:18 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:18 < entelechios> these guys used to have a super soldier helmet prototype right on their site 18:19 < entelechios> its disappeared 18:19 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:19 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:19 < entelechios> good call cpopell 18:19 < cpopell> I'll have a scraped and structured version in 4-5 months. 18:19 < entelechios> so you work in defence research, or were you speccing out something you're not really connected to? 18:20 < cpopell> entelechios: I used to work in defense research, but mostly I'm interested in the dynamics of tech growth and forecasting and figuring out ways to know where things are going ahead of time 18:21 < entelechios> any thoughts on advances in photonic computing 18:22 < cpopell> according to http://www.itrs.net/Links/2012ITRS/2012Chapters/MtM%20WG%20entirereport_final.pdf, I'd suggest looking at Strategic Research Agenda of the Photonics 21 platform, and Photonik 2020 Research Agenda 18:22 < cpopell> tl;dr I haven't closely examined it yet. 18:22 < entelechios> lol 18:24 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:24 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:25 < cpopell> http://www.photonics21.org/download/PhotonicsMultiannualRoadmap/PhotonicsMultiannualStrategicRoadmapDocument.pdf 18:25 -!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25 < xentrac> hmm, what time is the lunar eclipse? 18:26 < entelechios> depends on where you are 18:27 < entelechios> i'm in costa rica but have been told conflicting information 18:27 < entelechios> kinda cloudy here... 18:27 < xentrac> I'm in Buenos Aires 18:27 < xentrac> but I'm pretty sure it happens simultaneously worldwide :) 18:27 < entelechios> i think you're out of the zone 18:27 < xentrac> or very nearly simultaneously 18:27 < entelechios> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/where-can-you-see-tonights-total-lunar-eclipse-this-map-has-the-answer/ 18:28 < entelechios> so for me about 10-11pm 18:28 < entelechios> cool 18:28 < entelechios> sounds like it's going to be going for a while too damn 18:28 < entelechios> guess im going out tonight 18:29 < xentrac> that map makes it look like it'll be visible at moonset 18:29 < xentrac> which is basically sunrise 18:29 -!- QuantumG [0eca2431@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.202.36.49] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:30 < entelechios> http://www.space.com/25479-total-lunar-eclipse-2014-skywatching-guide.html 18:30 < entelechios> says here different time starting at EDT 18:30 < entelechios> like much later 18:30 < entelechios> i am confused still but eh whatever 18:30 < QuantumG> what'd I miss? 18:30 < entelechios> nothing yet, a lunar eclipse tonight if you're in the zone 18:31 < entelechios> btw thanks for the links cpopell 18:32 < QuantumG> heh, I meant in the last 3 years of not being on this channel. 18:33 < entelechios> uhhh hmmm whats notable... that laurie love guy going to jail was pretty wtf 18:33 < entelechios> he was indicted cause of shit he said in here 18:33 < entelechios> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/30/laurie_love_investigation_stretches_to_oz_sweden/ 18:34 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:34 < QuantumG> yeah, I was bitching to kanzure about his irc logs around the time that happened. 18:34 * entelechios waves to the googleable future 18:34 < QuantumG> speak of the devil, how's it goin' kanzure. 18:35 < kanzure> i'm sorry for running you out 18:37 < QuantumG> ya did? I don't even remember it. 18:38 < kanzure> excellent 18:38 < xentrac> entelechios: nsh is in jail now? 18:39 < kanzure> irony police finally caught him 18:39 < kanzure> (i don't actually know. he was around a day ago or so.) 18:41 < xentrac> yeah, his client was in here earlier today 18:43 < entelechios> oh cool it does seem hes not locked up then 18:43 < kanzure> yeah, wrong country etc 18:45 < entelechios> lol @ the "i have the assburgers plz dont send me to jail" defense though 18:45 < entelechios> gary mckinnon did that too 18:45 < entelechios> if my lawyer told me to try and pull that off, i'd fire him 18:50 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:53 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/images/thumb/8/8a/BMC_Johnny5.jpg/300px-BMC_Johnny5.jpg 18:55 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:58 < cpopell> entelechios: if you find a consistent metric you want to track for photonics (which I sorta doubt), might be worth seeing if it has a consistent doubling time 18:58 < kanzure> cpopell: the only consistent way to predict the future is to invent it 18:58 < kanzure> cpopell: reality is highly constrained by what is technically possible 18:59 < entelechios> cpopell: nah not really lol 19:00 < entelechios> i just know things are going to become even more interesting when those become commonplace 19:01 < xentrac> 21:56 < kanzure> cpopell: reality is highly constrained by what is technically possible 19:01 < xentrac> that's what I thought before I went to Burning Man 19:01 < cpopell> kanzure: doubling times are often consistent 19:02 < xentrac> http://prog21.dadgum.com/191.html talks a bit about how little video games are constrained by what is technically possible 19:02 < QuantumG> .. and more tightly constrained by how people are allowed to find funding. 19:02 < xentrac> " 19:02 < xentrac> All of these designs could have been discovered thirty years ago, but they weren't. Think about that; someone could have come up with Jetpack Joyride's objective system in 1984, but they didn't. Ten years later, they still hadn't." 19:03 < xentrac> QuantumG: well, or more generally, what the social relations around technical possibilities happen to be at the moment 19:03 < entelechios> possibility is a mental construct constrained to imagination, probability is another story 19:05 -!- QuantumG [0eca2431@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.202.36.49] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@61-241-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27 < kanzure> xentrac: burning man isn't magic, just not made up of idiots 19:29 < kanzure> xentrac: i'm primarily trying to make sure cpopell doesn't turn into ray kurzweil 19:29 < kanzure> ray did some equipment about 400 years ago and is now living off of his portfolios 19:39 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:41 < entelechios> no, now he's living on stringing people along on thinking he's going to live forever 19:41 < entelechios> when secretly he's on his last few years of life, and to have that go out would mess with plans 19:45 < kanzure> now add more conspiracy theory 19:46 < entelechios> nah i got a cryptocurrency prediction proposition betting pool in the works with his death in there 19:46 < entelechios> give me about a month before its released 19:46 < kanzure> isn't that just a poorly implemented assasination market 19:46 < entelechios> no 19:46 < kanzure> i think you mean yes 19:46 < entelechios> i think i mean jokes 19:47 < entelechios> but this has been done before by like 19:47 < entelechios> a corporation 19:47 < entelechios> on obama 19:47 < entelechios> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Power#Criticism 19:47 < entelechios> proposition bets are super funny stuff 19:51 < entelechios> Initially Ireland's largest bookmaker refused to pull down the odds. The bookmaker rejected calls to withdraw the controversial offer, claiming it was a nonsense to suggest that their stance could actually encourage anyone to go out and try to kill Mr Obama. 20:04 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-rvbnjewhdahlyiyp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:17 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:35 < dingo> http://osrc.dfm.io/kanzure 20:35 * dingo giggles 20:35 < dingo> its good to have pokecrystal up front you know 20:35 < dingo> keeps the spy agencies guessing 20:36 < dingo> amazing how your code commits are so regularly done 20:36 < dingo> i don't commit so aggresively as you 20:36 < dingo> yours are like dipped clearly during sleep (3am-8am) lunch, dinner, and midnight 20:37 < dingo> i've got a pretty clear dip at the 6pm hour too... though i'm not sure how correct that is, most of my public commits were in EST5EDT, now i live in PST, dunno 20:39 < dingo> working with kanzure must be like working with a carmack 20:39 < dingo> a young carmack, anyway, hehe, somebody works at oculous and it ain't kanzure 20:40 < dingo> but his typing speed & productivity is something to strive for 20:40 < kanzure> dingo: http://www.quantumg.net/carmack_takes_bishop.php 20:40 < kanzure> carmack sent me hate mail 20:40 < dingo> i recall 20:40 < dingo> nice title though 20:41 < kanzure> for some reason these sites often list me as "top 1% asm" 20:42 < kanzure> which is worth approximately.. nothing. 20:42 < dingo> i have to agree with him at some level, regarding OSS 20:42 < dingo> openbsd has a "shutup and hack" motto, they don't go around blah-blah-blahing like gnome projects etc. do 20:42 < kanzure> oh sure, he's not really too wrong 20:44 < dingo> i interviewed somebody who felt short on a lot of things, but did claim to write some kind of checksum serial # thing @ vmware, so i he ranted about the bitwiser ops, so i said "what is... any number, .. say... 3,000 xor 3,000" anad he aanswered "I don't know, i'd have to look it up" :-) 20:44 < dingo> N xor N == 0 20:44 < dingo> so he ranted, rather 20:45 < dingo> i don't get to chose programmers to interview, they just happen, but its strange working in irc/mailing list/github and seeing such great competency vs. what i talk to on phone/meet in the interview room 20:45 < kanzure> that company is going to generate a new type of folklore 20:45 < kanzure> i hear you're back to live editing production 20:46 < kanzure> by hear i mean i am pretending in my head 20:46 < dingo> i've seen a lot worse, anyway.. sometimes i say very clearly, this person should not work here, and some weeks later -- look, they just started ;-) 20:46 < dingo> naaw something came directly from the top not to allow such anymore 20:46 < kanzure> i probably wouldn't pass your interview btw 20:46 < dingo> naw of course you'd do fine 20:47 < dingo> just having github acct. does a lot for you vs. the others 20:47 < dingo> i evaluate folk by the 'extra' effort and interests 20:47 < dingo> if i asked you what new languages you'd like to learn and why, you'd probobly talk my ear off 20:48 < dingo> i get answers like "Scala", "Why?" "i know nothing about it... but people talk about it a lot in the office ..." 20:48 < kanzure> "lisp, so that i may redeem my immortal soul" 20:48 < dingo> hey man, learn hy :-) then you can re-use your python 20:48 < kanzure> hy? 20:48 < kanzure> i definitely want a javascript/python replacement that isn't stupid 20:48 < dingo> http://www.1984.ws:8888 == https://gist.github.com/signalpillar/9107761 20:49 < dingo> its lisp + python == hy 20:49 < kanzure> does it just translate to python, or is it an actual interpreter? 20:49 < kanzure> i absolutely hate python's package management (well, lack of) 20:49 < kanzure> npm/commonjs/harmony-stuff is looking great but then you have to use js 20:50 < dingo> see 16:30 for 5-minute lighting talk, http://julien.danjou.info/blog/2013/lisp-python-hy 20:50 < kanzure> require() is pretty nice overall 20:50 < dingo> it works with pdb and everything 20:50 < kanzure> if it fixes packaging and has clojure-style docstrings, i could be convinced 20:51 < kanzure> well, not just packaging but also importing. importlib ain't enough. 20:52 < kanzure> or it's wrong. i'm not sure which. 20:52 < dingo> in 2002 it was mind blowing for me 20:52 < dingo> today kindof a pita 20:52 < kanzure> require() gives you nice things like http://browserify.org/ 20:56 < dingo> dunno if you've chatted with devzero lately 20:56 < dingo> seems to be some push internally to make me become his position here 20:56 < dingo> some kind of leader of newbs 20:57 < kanzure> any engineering going on? 21:01 < dingo> i tried to express the "real devloper life cycle" means they'll just burn me out 21:01 < dingo> the same way they've burned him out 21:01 < dingo> they seemed kindof bummed that i'm not gullible enough to take it on 21:01 < dingo> "Oh boy! I'd be happy to be slave-driven! Yay!" 21:01 < dingo> i fear the next time hey threatens to quit, they will say "go ahead", and he will, and they'll make me take his place, but i'll quit, too. 21:01 < dingo> nobody wants to work in mediocracy 21:01 < dingo> it'll downard spiral from there 21:01 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66.161.138.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66.161.138.110] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 < dingo> slowly implementing lin's 4-mo old vision, yes 21:01 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01 < dingo> there is push to complete the "new architecture" by july from business 21:01 < kanzure> hah mediocracy 21:02 < kanzure> well, at least you know your plan 21:02 < dingo> at least it isn't a cat-photo sharing site 21:02 < kanzure> yep, it's a special variant: enterprise cat-photo sharing 21:03 < kanzure> multi-tenant cat pic sharing 21:03 < dingo> cat-picture entitlements 21:03 < kanzure> i was a little surprised that my salesforce demo fell on deaf ears 21:03 < kanzure> maybe it was the wrong crowd 21:04 < dingo> yeah that was a little off wasn't it 21:04 < dingo> i tell you the bigwig here, whatever his name is, the one with the austrailian accent or whatever, i saw his eyes light up, he seemed geniunly impressed 21:04 < dingo> he didn't make such a reaction as the others 21:04 < kanzure> well i figured if i was going to leave, and that was the most enterprise place i've worked, why not crank it up to 100%? :) 21:05 < kanzure> oh well. 21:05 < dingo> i think the lower wigs pushed against having you win the constent because you too blatently(?) appealed to the gimmick it is -- to appease the higher ups, no idea really 21:05 < kanzure> of course it's a gimmick 21:05 < kanzure> it was called gimmick day 21:05 < dingo> hehe 21:05 < dingo> oh we began one worse -- end of sprint, we all demo our work in <5 minutes time 21:05 < dingo> talk about dog and pony show 21:06 < dingo> just began that last friday 21:06 < kanzure> oh wow 21:06 < kanzure> just run the tests. 21:06 < dingo> lol 21:07 < dingo> not too interested in the valuating my stock options as i once was. its a time game now, we'll see how long it plays out 21:07 < kanzure> if i was to do anything in that market, 21:08 < kanzure> i think it would be something about load balancing 21:08 < kanzure> put the load balancer on each node in the cluster 21:08 < kanzure> then you have distributed fault tolerance and load handling 21:17 < kanzure> also some company can definitely have a competitive advantage with libcloud/jclouds if anyone bothered 21:18 < dingo> i'm pretty sure i'll open the newspaper and see we were beat to the competition any day now 21:19 < dingo> i wish it were the alan kay days 21:19 < dingo> you could spend 5 years and lots of money on good research 21:20 < kanzure> i don't think research is the bottleneck. just engineering.. 21:20 < kanzure> and not the warm body style 21:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:33 < kanzure> irc logs from #extropy 2002-2003 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/extropy.log 22:34 < kanzure> 2002-06-14 15:04:08 < AlonzoTG> An Eliezer-triggered singularity would probably be worse for me than one triggered by some other researcher. 22:34 < kanzure> pretty funny to see the same trolls were around back then 22:34 < kanzure> the same schizophrenic trolls, even 22:39 < kanzure> also #sl4 logs http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/sl4.log 22:39 < justanotheruser> Is what an eliezer triggered singularity? The wiki for eliezer leaves me not understanding the relation 22:41 < kanzure> huh? it's referring to the person in the channel, eliezer yudkowsky 22:42 < justanotheruser> Oh 22:43 < justanotheruser> "Known for: 'Friendly AI', Harry Potter fan fiction" 22:43 < kanzure> yeah, he's disappointing 22:45 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:46 < kanzure> haha hkhenson was in #evol-psych back then 22:46 < justanotheruser> Seems like he's doing some interesting work Yudkowsky's most recent work is on decision theory for problems of self-modification and Newcomblike problems 22:50 < kanzure> #transinst #immortal #wta #vbc # 22:51 < cpopell> oh man, this is a 23 year old AlonzoTG 22:51 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you implying you don't like him because he's a futurist? 22:52 < kanzure> i don't like eliezer because of a number of reasons, but the primary one is that i just don't agree with his big scary ai idea. i agree that intelligent agents can do terrible things, but i don't agree it's necessarily an interesting observation. 22:53 < kanzure> 25 MB immortality institute logs from #immortal http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/immortal.log 22:53 < ParahSailin> actually he just hate ponies 22:53 < kanzure> 2002-2006 22:55 < kanzure> 2002-06-24 01:51:42 < Michael> Michael (darkvegeta@ACC2D4D7.ipt.aol.com) has joined #immortal 22:55 < dingo> i was pretty obnoxious in 2002 also 22:55 < dingo> oh aoil.com 22:55 < kanzure> i keep forgetting that michael anissimov was calling himself darkvegeta26@aol.com 22:55 < kanzure> in my eyes darkvegeta26 almost completely redeems him 22:55 < dingo> thats pretty disreputable 22:55 < cpopell> I was going to ask, heh 22:56 < cpopell> if it was Vassar or Anissimov 22:56 < dingo> in 2002 i think you could still ping the pattern +++ATH0 and knock an aol'r offline 22:56 < kanzure> vassar ain't street smart like that 22:57 < kanzure> ever since i learned that nick i keep thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJI9sA5RJWs 22:57 < cpopell> this heaven guy looks like a fun troll 22:57 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/microfluidic_valves.gif 22:58 < kanzure> 2002-06-24 13:08:36 < AlonzoTG> Eliezer doesn't want to be immortal; he wants to be uploaded. 22:58 < kanzure> 2002-06-24 13:08:38 < AlonzoTG> !!! 22:58 < kanzure> i like how !!! took him an entire two seconds 22:58 < kanzure> that's how serious he was 22:58 < kanzure> 2002-06-24 13:21:35 < nrv8> "I think my efforts could spell the difference between life and death for most of humanity," 22:58 < kanzure> oh man 22:59 < cpopell> 2002-08-31 18:36:15 < heaven> IM HEAVEN GENIUS OF NEW MEXICO 23:03 < kanzure> 2002-06-26 15:09:07 < AlonzoTG> I used to pick on eliezer's ego. 23:03 < kanzure> 2002-06-26 15:09:18 < AlonzoTG> he banned me beacuse I didn't have anything interesting to say. 23:03 < kanzure> 2002-06-26 15:09:36 < AlonzoTG> and I was in full-panic mode about being uploaded. 23:03 < kanzure> you know, at least he's consistent 23:04 < kanzure> he's presently banned from this channel for the exact same reasons 23:04 < kanzure> 2002-06-26 15:54:11 < Eliezer> Eliezer says, "Not unless the Singularity actually happens in the next 10 years." 23:05 < cpopell> 2002-09-28 11:30:12 < Eliezer> there is some Japanese TV, unlike American TV, that is not absolute abject trash 23:05 < kanzure> anime geek 23:07 < cpopell> huh, Hal Finney 23:07 < kanzure> which log are you reading? 23:07 < cpopell> extropy 23:07 < kanzure> 2002-06-28 12:58:38 < nrv8> but at this point i see everything that isnt singularity related as a waste of time 23:07 < kanzure> 2002-06-28 12:58:48 < Eliezer> Eliezer says, "And so it is. :D." 23:07 < kanzure> damn look at how expertly he does cult building 23:07 < kanzure> i'm so ashamed 23:07 < kanzure> of my lack of skillz 23:08 < cpopell> heh 23:08 < cpopell> irc #lesswrong is more cult of gwern than cult of Eliezer 23:08 < kanzure> sure, it could be worse 23:12 < kanzure> 2002-06-29 17:53:13 < Eliezer> Eliezer hands Michael_Away a badge reading 'Everything I need to know in life I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.' 23:12 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:13 < dingo> lunar eclipse started, bit hazy 23:13 < cpopell> too many clouds out 23:13 < dingo> where i am, anyway 23:13 < cpopell> here :( 23:13 < ParahSailin> i can see the moon from my house 23:13 < dingo> you can tell its brighter behind the clouds, but the clouds kinda negate it 23:13 < dingo> lol @ ps 23:14 * ParahSailin does what he can to keep the name apropos 23:14 < ParahSailin> shes probably not going to run for prez again, so my joke name is quickly depreciating 23:14 < kanzure> start a rumor that she's been hanging out in a certain irc channel 23:14 < kanzure> with that kid that hacked the federal reserve 23:15 < kanzure> and missile defense agency 23:15 < ParahSailin> who replaced all the gold in fort knox with bitdoge? 23:15 < cpopell> 2002-07-14 07:13:06 < Eliezer> I was predicting the stock-market bust since 1994 :) 23:19 < kanzure> welp time for a #sl4 markov chain bot 23:22 < kanzure> 2002-07-03 16:53:40 < Uthnapishtim> What time frame do you see for the emergence of human equivalent AI? 23:22 < kanzure> 2002-07-03 16:53:53 < Michael> 2007-2015 23:30 < Viper168> ParahSailin, there's always Hairllary Cliton 23:31 < Viper168> :P 23:57 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Apr 15 00:00:40 2014