--- Log opened Wed Apr 16 00:00:41 2014 00:34 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:42 -!- diegogarcia [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has quit [Quit: quit] 00:43 < sheena> https://medeo.ca/about.html 01:06 < Adifex> What is this, sheena? 01:08 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.129.122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:10 < sheena> bc's new 'not enough gp' solution 02:04 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:15 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@38-244-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:28 -!- diegogarcia [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:32 -!- entelechios is now known as enchilada 02:32 -!- enchilada is now known as enchiladas 02:32 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqqmmagtewwdbbog] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:38 -!- enchiladas is now known as entelechy 02:40 -!- AshleyWaffle_ [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:41 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:41 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:58 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.129.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:06 -!- diegogarcia [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has quit [Quit: quit] 03:11 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:16 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:21 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@38-244-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@178.230.144.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- Adifex is now known as Adifex|zzz 04:39 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@190-109-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:46 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@190-109-15.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 05:10 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-190-28.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@178.230.144.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56 -!- AshleyWaffle_ [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:07 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host] 06:58 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:30 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 07:30 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@178.230.144.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:16 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:43 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:51 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@cm113.kappa36.maxonline.com.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:53 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:54 -!- kardan [~kardan@kite.riseup.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:58 -!- xmj [~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:58 * xmj looks around 08:58 < kanzure> hello 08:58 < kanzure> been a while 08:58 < xmj> heh, right 08:59 < xmj> weren't you the one with the copy of the entire google plus db? 08:59 < kanzure> nope 08:59 < ParahSailin> i dont think he has that many hard drives 08:59 < xmj> er, play 09:00 < kanzure> yes 09:00 < xmj> righto 09:01 < xmj> ParahSailin: invited me here as i was asking him for a channel with cool folks, but less dickheads than #lesswrong. 09:01 < kanzure> sounds reasonable 09:02 < kanzure> although i'd hate to end up being known as lesswrong2 09:02 < xmj> yeah that's not a cool reputation to have. 09:02 < Qfwfq> What's wrong with #lesswrong? I would like to make it better, but I'm not sure how best to. 09:02 < ParahSailin> equestrians 09:03 < xmj> nothing per se. i find the attitude of most people self-selcting for rationality quite ... annoying. 09:03 < Qfwfq> So kick all of the horses who won't self-identify. Got it. 09:03 < kanzure> it might be beneficial to have a mental model other than "everyone is a pony" 09:04 < eudoxia> all that stuff about eternal authoritarian happiness is a little creepy sometimes 09:05 < kanzure> xmj: i built hplusroadmap based on the idea that many of transhumanist technologies are actually practical to build and use 09:05 < xmj> launching singularity, eh? 09:05 < kanzure> not necessarily 09:05 < kanzure> i make no claims about that 09:05 < xmj> bummer. 09:06 < xmj> anyway 09:06 < kanzure> it's a bummer that i don't lie through my teeth? 09:06 < xmj> Hi everyone, I'm xmj, an I'm a masochist Unix neckbeard. 09:06 * xmj chuckles 09:07 < eudoxia> xmj: so what transhumanist technologies are you most interested in 09:08 < xmj> exocortices, mate. if i could hook up my brain directly into the web (or even upload / fork my self) that'd be awesome. 09:09 < kanzure> so what does direct mean 09:09 < kanzure> do microelectrode arrays count? 09:09 < xmj> probably 09:10 < xmj> as long as i don't have to move muscles to get there 09:10 < xmj> counts 09:13 < xmj> what about you guys? 09:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration 09:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit 09:13 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/skdb/ 09:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 < xmj> interesting, got any good python code around? 09:15 < kardan> I like your social clause about being responsible for the outcome of technology to some extent. 09:15 < ParahSailin> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 09:15 < kanzure> kardan: go fuck yourself and die 09:16 < kanzure> kardan: if i didn't like you before why would you continue to think a presence in here is okay 09:16 < kardan> when will you stop that undergraduate behaviour? 09:16 < dingo> :D 09:17 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 09:17 < xmj> kardan: nothing undergraduate about insulting people 09:17 < kardan> maybe you earned some tolerance 09:17 < xmj> theo de raadt and linus torvalds do it all the time. 09:17 <@kanzure> what part of asking someone to die is an insult 09:17 < kardan> it's so silly 09:18 <@kanzure> yes and you're very polluting 09:18 < kardan> I try not to 09:18 < xmj> hm 09:18 <@kanzure> last time we talked, you claimed i was killing people because i didn't like you enough 09:18 < xmj> so the proactionary principle is just Ayn Rand restated. 09:18 < kardan> me? 09:18 < xmj> i like that 09:18 <@kanzure> xmj: it's not ayn rand related, it's stolen from max more 09:18 <@kanzure> xmj: or, it's not intentionally ayn rand related 09:19 < kardan> ayn rand is ok if it WOULD be rational 09:19 -!- kardan was kicked from ##hplusroadmap by kanzure [kardan] 09:19 < xmj> "It's not about who is going to let me, it's about who is going to stop me" 09:19 < xmj> ^ Rand 09:19 < xmj> same logic 09:19 < xmj> don't ask for permission, do 09:19 <@kanzure> i would say that is orthogonal logic 09:20 <@kanzure> it's more like "if everyone is waiting for someone else to do it, then it wont happen" 09:20 <@kanzure> and the proactionary principle is specifically a response to the precautionary principle that committees often employ 09:20 -!- kardan [~kardan@kite.riseup.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 <@kanzure> and these committees are often stuff like, uh, bioethics boards or something 09:20 < kardan> .. but maybe you don't get the difference 09:20 <@kanzure> where they think that because you have a home biology lab, you're going to kill the human race 09:20 <@kanzure> <-- purportedly a "bioterrorist" 09:20 <@kanzure> kardan: pls stay gone 09:22 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-4356bfd0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 < chris_99> when you can sequence pneumonic plague at home, then maybe we should be a bit more worried? 09:23 <@kanzure> nope 09:23 <@kanzure> just because you can't presently sequence it doesn't mean i haven't 09:23 < chris_99> and have you? 09:24 <@kanzure> that's for me to know and you to complain about 09:25 <@kanzure> if your threat model can be destroyed by "people knowing the sequence to various plagues" then i suggest having a better threat model 09:25 <@kanzure> there's already many natural viruses and bacteria that are very devastating, even without human intervention 09:25 <@kanzure> and it turns out thta the response to natural viruses and plagues etc is exactly the same as the response to human-created plagues 09:25 <@kanzure> *that 09:25 < chris_99> no i know it's easy to get hold of the sequence 09:26 <@kanzure> you're not going to filter your air any less just because it was man made or not 09:26 < chris_99> i'm just thinking maybe when sequencers are more commonly available etc., then maybe terrorists etc. would make use of them. I don't think theres anything that you could realistically do to stop that from happening 09:27 <@kanzure> um, bad actors can make use of them even if they are uncommonly available 09:27 <@kanzure> that's the stupidest statement i've heard you make, ever 09:28 < chris_99> true, i think naturally the likelihood of someone using them naturally increases though, if they're more easily available. 09:28 < xmj> its the same logic obama uses do forbid drugs and guns. 09:28 < xmj> it's really working well. 09:28 <@kanzure> obama forbids guns? 09:28 < chris_99> news to me 09:28 < xmj> tries to.. 09:28 <@kanzure> food should also be forbidden because it could be eaten by bad actors 09:28 <@kanzure> it is "dual use" 09:29 < xmj> worse, it can make you fat. 09:29 <@kanzure> the worst terrorism 09:29 < xmj> while we're at it.. bad actors breathe. 09:29 < catern> obama banned burgers, too https://warosu.org/data/lit/img/0031/52/1353091591577.jpg 09:30 <@kanzure> just because we hope that viruses don't happen isn't a good reason to not have good security models 09:30 <@kanzure> independent of whether or not a virus comes from a bad actor or from nature, you're still just as vulnerable to the same attacks 09:31 <@kanzure> the focus should not be on trying to pretend that nobody knows how to make dna sequencers and dna synthesizers 09:31 <@kanzure> but rather on equipment and tools to make you less vulnerable to chemical and biological warfare 09:31 <@kanzure> whether "artificial" or "natural" 09:32 <@kanzure> s/warfare/disease 09:32 < chris_99> mm true 09:37 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:39 -!- fireprfHydra [~fireprfHy@ool-4356bfd0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:39 < eudoxia> 02:34 < kanzure-> one of my monitors is always showing who is accessing my site. 09:39 < eudoxia> "oppresively colossal" 09:45 < chris_99> can anyone recommend any cheapo trinocular microscopes per chance? 09:45 < chris_99> ..or at least one you can shove a camera on 09:45 < mosasaur> Qfwfq: I'm really sorry about #lesswrong, but what can one do against eternal september? 09:46 < eudoxia> are you really sure the problem is eternal september? 09:47 < mosasaur> eudoxia: It's an euphemism for young people who engage in signaling contests 09:50 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52 < cluckj> damn I go afk and all this fun happens 10:01 <@kanzure> i don't think young people are the problem 10:02 < cluckj> it's just all people? 10:02 < cluckj> :) 10:02 < eudoxia> is it bronies? 10:03 -!- HEx2 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:03 < chris_99> is it possible to mutate the DNA viruses easily, so vaccines don't work? 10:03 < chris_99> *of viruses 10:03 <@kanzure> chris_99: take a look at directed evolution 10:03 <@kanzure> eudoxia: the pony fixation doesn't seem to help 10:04 < chris_99> merci 10:04 <@kanzure> cluckj: sure i'd much more readily say all people before i'd say young people 10:04 <@kanzure> cluckj: in my head i'm, like, 12 10:04 < cluckj> hah 10:04 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05 <@kanzure> cluckj: i have recovered some historical logs from #extropy #sl4 #immortal etc 10:06 < cluckj> anything interesting? 10:06 <@kanzure> cluckj: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/irclogs/ 10:06 <@kanzure> bunch of the oldfolks were on that irc server- max more, natasha vita-more, eliezer yudkowsky, hal finney, michael anissimov, etc 10:07 <@kanzure> some of the same trolls that inflict this channel too (AlonzoTG) 10:07 <@kanzure> but now i have to wonder why they have never bothered visiting here 10:08 <@kanzure> they didn't seem like the irc types (except eliezer, who i knew was in #sl4) 10:08 < cluckj> too busy with the irl trolling, I supppose 10:09 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 < eudoxia> < MichaelA> Heck, Newt Gingrich (former speaker of the house) told us to stay tuned for nano in 15 years or less, I believe 10:10 < eudoxia> ah, youth and innocence 10:11 * xmj reads backlog 10:11 < cluckj> lol 10:14 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:17 < chris_99> what's the maximum no. of base pairs a sequencer can roughly do? i just read something that say it's ~1 mil, is that roughly right 10:17 <@kanzure> short fragments, then you use software to assemble the full sequence 10:18 <@kanzure> short fragments have traditionally been <500bp each, sometimes 20bp 10:18 < chris_99> is that called ligation, i forget? where you join them 10:18 < cluckj> yes 10:19 <@kanzure> ligation is where you join two fragments of dna 10:19 <@kanzure> into a physical molecule 10:19 < chris_99> ok, so could someone theoretically at least synthesis the plague, which seems to be 4.6 mil. base pairs, or is that too difficult at the moment 10:20 <@kanzure> they could synthesize it if they try pretty hard 10:20 <@kanzure> but then there's the additional problem of getting it into an appropriate virus capsid 10:20 <@kanzure> which plague is this? are all plagues bacterial? 10:20 < cluckj> why would you even want to do that 10:21 < cluckj> plague bacteria are endemic 10:21 < chris_99> i wouldn't want to do that, i was just wondering if it's possible 10:21 <@kanzure> oh okay, well for bacteria obviously the virus capsid comment doesn't apply, but you do need a cellular chasis that takes the genomic data 10:22 < cluckj> craig venter printed out an entire genome, so sure it's possible if you have millions of dollars and dozens of scientists, and a well-equipped lab 10:22 <@kanzure> his work wasn't just about printing a genome 10:22 <@kanzure> once you synthesize the dna you have to do something with it. it doesn't just spontaneously turn into a cell. 10:22 < chris_99> mmm 10:22 < cluckj> yes 10:23 < eudoxia> it's hard to grep for mentions of eugen in the logs because it keeps matching 'eugenics' :> 10:23 < chris_99> kanzure, is it the shape of the capsid that would roughly allow the immune system to detect it? or is it something else 10:23 < cluckj> eudoxia, I bet they talk a lot about that :P 10:27 < eudoxia> huh i didn't know AlonzoTG was a 9/11 truther 10:27 <@kanzure> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/04/16/the-deal-with-dirty-cheap-dirty-boards-pcbs/ 10:27 < cluckj> lol how old are those logs 10:28 <@kanzure> 2002-2006 10:28 < eudoxia> < AlonzoTG> I only watch Jon Stewart and Anime. 10:28 < eudoxia> < AlonzoTG> Everything else is a waste. 10:28 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-84.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 < cluckj> o_o 10:29 < cluckj> oh dear 10:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-190-28.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:38 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:47 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- audy is now known as science_audy 10:54 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.73] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:55 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: what was the full set of problems with the gfp plant kickstarter project? 10:56 < ParahSailin> i thought it was a luciferase plant 10:56 <@kanzure> i don't even remember 10:56 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58 < nmz787_i1> problems or challenges? 11:00 < cluckj> anyone heard any progress about their plants? 11:00 < ParahSailin> that kickstarter got canceled 11:01 <@kanzure> not challenges 11:01 <@kanzure> i specifically mean the scammy parts 11:01 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:04 < nmz787_i1> cancelled? 11:06 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06 <@kanzure> http://lesswrong.com/lw/jgz/aalwa_ask_any_lesswronger_anything/ap84 "I do have some early role models. I recall wanting to be a real-life version of the fictional "Sandor Arbitration Intelligence at the Zoo" (from Vernor Vinge's novel A Fire Upon the Deep) who in the story is known for consistently writing the clearest and most insightful posts on the Net. And then there was Hal Finney who probably came closest to an actual real-life version ... 11:06 <@kanzure> ... of Sandor at the Zoo, and Tim May who besides inspiring me with his vision of cryptoanarchy was also a role model for doing early retirement from the tech industry and working on his own interests/causes." 11:08 <@kanzure> wei dai joined the extropians mailing list or did his first post 1997-09-20 .. that's disappointing. 11:08 <@kanzure> evidence http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q97/4116.html 11:09 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 <@kanzure> hal's review of the ending to "a fire upon the deep" http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.2Q97/1336.html 11:13 <@kanzure> ewwww carl feynman worked at oracle 11:16 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:25 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.107.155] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.107.155] has quit [Changing host] 11:27 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:33 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 <@kanzure> $ tbl --help 11:42 <@kanzure> Segmentation fault 11:42 <@kanzure> i'm doomed 11:42 < dingo> .pǝʍǝɹɔs ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɹ,noʎ ʍou ɥo 11:43 <@kanzure> hm? 11:43 <@kanzure> well i can't read manpages anymore 11:43 <@kanzure> so yes.. 11:45 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45 -!- heath [quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-84.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 <@kanzure> dingo: any thoughts? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/tbl.log 11:49 < dingo> well there is protected memory mapped W^X stuff 11:49 < dingo> so if this is some kind of JIT or similar 11:49 < dingo> which tries to execute code from dynamic memory 11:49 < dingo> what is tbl anyway ... do i have that ... 11:49 <@kanzure> man uses it apparently 11:49 < dingo> ahh troff 11:49 < dingo> boy are you ever fuckered 11:50 < dingo> well check your dmesg 11:50 < dingo> if you're using grsec or similar there may be something there 11:51 <@kanzure> [461783.573082] tbl[5536]: segfault at 7fd148551108 ip 00007fd1462178ff sp 00007fff1e1a5a30 error 4 in libc-2.17.so[7fd1461aa000+1a2000] 11:51 <@kanzure> [461783.574826] groff[5541]: segfault at 7f6bc657e108 ip 00007f6bc42448ff sp 00007fff21897980 error 4 in libc-2.17.so[7f6bc41d7000+1a2000] 11:51 < dingo> and there you have it, your libc is a bit borked. 11:51 <@kanzure> hmm 11:52 < dingo> if you updated recently, your libc, you may need a reboot 11:52 <@kanzure> so i'm doomed 11:52 < dingo> openbsd calls these "flag days" -- where libc + kernel ABI changes, and all new binaries must be compiled 11:54 < dingo> or maybe the rootkit you have planted by agents is malfunctioning :-) 11:54 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:57 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-84.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 -!- science_audy is now known as audy_lab 12:14 <@kanzure> fixed: sudo apt-get install libc6:amd64 12:14 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@178.230.144.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.73] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:31 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-uwhlglklzgtlzspg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 <@kanzure> http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html "warning signs in experimental design and interpretation" 13:03 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-84.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-84.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-197-84.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:14 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@192-195-81-250.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 <@kanzure> https://www.secondmarket.com/bitcoin-trading 13:21 <@kanzure> https://www.secondmarket.com/illiquid-assets 13:21 <@kanzure> so this is where i'm supposed to buy cell towers? got it. 13:33 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-50-138-109.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- audy_lab is now known as audy 13:43 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-158-33-229.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- nsh [~nsh@host86-158-33-229.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 <@kanzure> 13:48 <+nsh> all my life, especially the past 6 seconds of it which i predominantly remember, i have wished to be part of a homoerotic postage stamp collection 13:51 < eudoxia> i don't think i've ever seen a postage stamp 13:51 <@kanzure> no obsessive stamp collecting? pfft 13:52 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:01 < nsh> never seen a stamp?? 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15:19 < drazak> he's into synbio apparently 15:19 <@kanzure> nope 15:20 < drazak> weird 15:20 < drazak> he wants schematics to make a 20ghz oscilloscope 15:20 < drazak> diy! 15:20 < drazak> great part? it'll cost 5x as much as just buying one, for no gain (the process is ridiculous, not something that can be done until other processes are worked out) 15:20 < drazak> http://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/235xp0/dc20ghz_oscilloscope_schematics/ 15:29 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52 -!- snuffeluffegus [~John@homie-vserver314.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:55 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.107.155] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.107.155] has quit [Changing host] 16:06 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:08 -!- Lunakitty [~Luna@unaffiliated/lunakitty] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- nmz787_i1 [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-egxxeamkbbpzdvwq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- nmz787_i1 [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-egxxeamkbbpzdvwq] has quit [Client Quit] 16:19 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-uwhlglklzgtlzspg] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:20 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-196-11.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-196-11.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:37 < delinquentme> kanzure, happen to know what are the consumables when operating a FIB? 16:37 < cpopell2> Okay, that contract is done. 16:37 < cpopell2> Ugh. 16:41 <@kanzure> delinquentme: ask nmz787 16:56 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:57 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@76.167.105.53] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:58 < ParahSailin> kanzure: i think new rule of no questions before doing a search first 16:59 <@kanzure> but then i'd be a hypocrite 16:59 <@kanzure> i mean, more than i already am 17:00 < ParahSailin> maybe just a rule for delinguent 17:00 <@kanzure> have we confirmed whether or not he's tried stims yet? 17:01 <@kanzure> i remember asking but i think he deflected 17:01 < cpopell2> He certainly posts like it on FB. 17:01 < ParahSailin> anyway, the consumable, which you might find on the wikipedia is a liquid metal that is not a terminator 17:18 < FourFire> 20Ghz ?! 17:19 <@kanzure> "dynamic epistemic logic" http://www.idt.mdh.se/personal/gdc/work/OPEN-PROBLEMS/pdf/Dynamic2010.BOOK.89newBenthem.pdf 17:19 <@kanzure> cluckj: that stuff might be interesting to you 17:20 < cluckj> math 17:21 <@kanzure> nah 17:22 < cluckj> logic 17:22 < cluckj> brain...melting... 17:41 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-50-138-109.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:12 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-81-204-167.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-205-5-34.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 -!- devrando1 [~devrandom@70-36-136-78.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@70-36-136-78.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:29 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-196-11.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-196-11.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:31 <@kanzure> bower angular#1.2.6 ECMDERR Failed to execute "git ls-remote --tags --heads git://github.com/angular/bower-angular.git", exit code of #128 18:32 <@kanzure> seems to exist to me 18:34 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-196-11.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:52 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@c-98-225-143-81.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:55 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@176-254-15.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 19:03 -!- HEx2 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- rk[1] [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06 -!- DrSilverstein [~tpi@c-107-4-148-59.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:06 -!- HEx2 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:07 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11 -!- HEx2 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12 -!- Lunakitty [~Luna@unaffiliated/lunakitty] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:17 <@kanzure> 19:16 < kevlarman> Wild_Cat: if you want a real mindfuck, check out the exploit where they managed to extract rsa private key bits from a different vm on the same hardware by clearing out the cpu's cache and measuring the time it takes in order to figure out which addresses were accessed 19:20 <@kanzure> is there a sun tzu of malware? 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https://github.com/gulpjs/gulp/issues/167#issuecomment-40677759 20:47 < xmj> did you see the excellent rant against node? 20:47 < xmj> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg 20:48 <@kanzure> you want me to watch an entire video? geeze 20:48 < xmj> it's fun. 20:48 < xmj> I don't usually like bears talking to each others 20:48 < xmj> but the content and style of this one is excellent. 20:56 -!- Auctwo [~Auctus@122-57-138-207.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:56 < ParahSailin> what is fd5 20:57 <@kanzure> how would i know? 20:57 < ParahSailin> scroll up 20:58 < ParahSailin> it was opened or bound somewhere 20:58 <@kanzure> i don't think epoll_wait takes a file descriptor, so the 5 is probably something else 20:59 -!- Auctus [~Auctus@unaffiliated/auctus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:00 <@kanzure> this problem is fairly recent 21:00 <@kanzure> i'm pretty sure i didn't upgrade these packages 21:00 <@kanzure> same version of node etc 21:01 < ParahSailin> most certainly is a file descriptor 21:06 <@kanzure> node 30420 kanzure 6u 0000 0,9 0 2398 anon_inode 21:06 <@kanzure> COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME 21:08 <@kanzure> anything else i should look for? 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