--- Log opened Mon May 05 08:41:51 2014 08:41 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:41 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration (4 times) | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki 08:41 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] [Sun Apr 27 19:38:21 2014] 08:41 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 08:41 [@_archels ] [ cluckj ] [ justanotheruser] [ sivoais ] 08:41 [@heath ] [ cpopell`working] [ juul ] [ smeaaagle ] 08:41 [@ParahSailin ] [ d3vz3r0 ] [ kanzure ] [ strages__ ] 08:41 [ abetusk ] [ dbolser ] [ kardan ] [ strangewarp] 08:41 [ Adifex|zzz ] [ devrandom ] [ lichen ] [ streety ] 08:41 [ andytoshi ] [ dingo ] [ nmz787 ] [ superkuh ] 08:41 [ apex ] [ drewbot ] [ nsh ] [ ThomasEgi ] 08:41 [ AshleyWaffle] [ echo[1] ] [ padz ] [ Twey ] 08:41 [ audy ] [ EnLilaSko ] [ paperbot ] [ Urchin ] 08:41 [ augur ] [ eudoxia ] [ pasky_ ] [ Viper168 ] 08:41 [ balrog ] [ fenn ] [ phryk ] [ xmj ] 08:41 [ bkero ] [ gnusha ] [ realzies ] [ yoleaux ] 08:41 [ blueskin ] [ helleshin ] [ rk[1] ] [ yorick ] 08:41 [ brownies ] [ HEx1 ] [ ruphos ] [ Zhwazi ] 08:41 [ Burninate ] [ ivan` ] [ saurik ] 08:41 [ catern ] [ jrayhawk ] [ sheena ] 08:41 [ chris_99 ] [ juri_ ] [ Shehrazad ] 08:41 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 65 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 62 normal] 08:41 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Fri Feb 26 02:40:30 2010 08:41 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 6 secs 08:42 < fenn> cool 08:42 < fenn> wb gnusha 08:47 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:53 < xmj> fenn: can you please nag kanzure a little about paperbot :) 08:56 < fenn> nag him yourself 08:56 < fenn> paperbot isn't as easy to start as gnusha for some reason 08:58 < xmj> it's mostly a matter of some op inviting him here i presume. 08:58 < fenn> oh heh paperbot is already running 08:59 < fenn> no wonder it didn't work :P 08:59 < fenn> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=512976.512997 09:00 < fenn> i think acm usually fails 09:04 < fenn> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=512976.512997 09:09 < xmj> timeout? 09:11 < fenn> i'm not sure the correct procedure to start it, maybe i need to kill/restart it in the correct order 09:11 < fenn> how can i see the environment variables for a running process? 09:13 < fenn> ah /proc/PID/environ 09:15 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15 < fenn> ok i didn't do that 09:16 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18 * fenn winches open the storm doors, exposing the creature to the electrical fire of the heavens 09:19 < kanzure> not even the logging is working 09:19 < kanzure> i have no idea what's wrong 09:19 < kanzure> server has never been rebooted before 09:19 < fenn> do you need to run translation server before phenny? 09:19 < eudoxia> kanzure: a deepness in the sky is kind of a good novel after all 09:20 < kanzure> translation server is already running 09:20 < fenn> eudoxia: i love the contrast between how the spiders see themselves and narrate their lives by radio and the sudden shock when humans come face to face 09:21 < eudoxia> that was pretty good 09:21 < eudoxia> although i'm really upset the OnOff star was not explained beyond 'a new particle which coincidentally gives us a faster ramjet xD' 09:21 -!- yorick_ [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:22 < eudoxia> although i'm 5% away from the end, maybe they explain it on like the last page or something 09:23 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:24 < kanzure> anyone feel like debugging what's wrong with paperbot? 09:25 < fenn> paperbot: reload 09:25 < fenn> does that even do anything 09:26 < gnusha> paperbot: reload 09:26 < gnusha> NOPE 09:26 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 < gnusha> paperbot: reload 09:27 < fenn> where is it supposed to log to? 09:27 < kanzure> #paperbot-testing 09:28 < eudoxia> i think there are some operations that only work from admins 09:28 < eudoxia> from looking at the source 09:29 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 09:29 < paperbot> gnusha: papers: no such module! 09:29 < fenn> derr what. that's probably the problem 09:30 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 < fenn> .w bailiwick 09:35 < yoleaux> bailiwick (/ˈbeɪlɪwɪk/): n. 1. One’s sphere of operations or area of interest: after the war, the Middle East remained his ⁓ — http://is.gd/4lkJmn 09:36 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 < kanzure> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=512976.512997 09:36 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1145%2F512976.512997 09:36 < fenn> huzzah 09:37 < fenn> what's the secret sauce 09:37 < fenn> actually, that's completely wrong, acm isn't scimag 09:37 < kanzure> any error in the module when it is loaded causes the module to not load 09:38 < kanzure> someone (ParahSailin) made a handful of environment variables a requirement 09:38 < kanzure> since i didn't remember the scihub password, i was going to pass on it 09:38 < kanzure> but evidently that is not allowed 09:41 < fenn> paperbot: https://www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6173/868.full.pdf 09:42 < paperbot> SSLError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:504: error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 632, in send) 09:42 < fenn> bah 09:42 < kanzure> i had the strangest dream about an elevator that kept going upwards, but then it got loaded into the back of a container on a semi truck, and they drove me away to another building 09:43 < kanzure> stupid elevator cars 09:47 < kanzure> yeah, it would be nice if paperbot worked more than 5% of the time 09:47 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@93.152.189.64] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 < fenn> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.201202210/pdf 09:48 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8719f033bf6bea1bf00a0e3d0caf24b8.txt 09:49 < fenn> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/anie.201202210/asset/7933_ftp.pdf 09:49 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7b3fbb05fb59ac801103fe4ba3b105a9.txt 09:50 < fenn> what's a url that should work but hasn't already been downloaded? 09:50 < kanzure> that's okay, paperbot doesn't do caching anyway 09:51 < kanzure> paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/nl401215n 09:52 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4b3695f2deb7b687321167307334d211.pdf 09:55 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:56 < xmj> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=361227.361230 09:56 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1145%2F361227.361230 09:57 < xmj> uh 09:57 < xmj> ok, that's a fail 09:57 -!- yorick_ is now known as yorick 10:03 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 10:03 < kanzure> make fixes 10:03 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.61.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.131.115] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:16 < kanzure> maybe i should restrict paperbot to helping contributors only 10:17 < fenn> good luck with that 10:17 < kanzure> well i don't run it to be nice 10:17 < kanzure> i run it to fetch me papers 10:18 < fenn> you could have two paperbots, one that randomly fails and one that is supposed to work 10:18 < fenn> but we never know which is which 10:19 < fenn> then it could cycle between them manic-depressively, based on the volatility of the bitcoin market 10:23 * eudoxia mutters something about a paperbot-specific altcoin 10:23 < fenn> paper money 10:23 < eudoxia> ha 10:24 < fenn> it uses the full text of the paper as the private key 10:24 < fenn> you exchange papers by exchanging the full text of the paper 10:25 < eudoxia> mining software written in postscript 10:25 < eudoxia> turn your readers into a source of cash 10:25 < fenn> mining software implemented on gradstudentbot 10:26 < eudoxia> how would that even work 10:28 -!- gradstudentbot [~gradstude@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 < eudoxia> gradstudentbot: are you turing complete? 10:29 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, it's significant. 10:33 < kanzure> who turned him on? 10:37 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@90.149.182.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:50 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:59 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 < gradstudentbot> cache money bits in hose 11:02 < justanotheruser> gradstudentbot passes the Turing test 11:02 < gradstudentbot> Oh yeah, isn't that already a part on the biobrick registry? 11:02 < justanotheruser> I'm guessing that's what you mean eudoxia 11:03 < fenn> turing complete mean capable of doing arbitrary calculations/programs 11:03 < fenn> anything a turing machine could do 11:03 < eudoxia> right, what fenn said 11:04 < eudoxia> gradstudentbot, say something funny 11:04 < gradstudentbot> Uh, interesting question. 11:05 < gradstudentbot> The government announced today that it is changing its emblem to a condom, because it more clearly reflects the government's political stance. 11:06 < kanzure> did someone hijack gradstudentbot? 11:06 < gradstudentbot> Where are the pipettes? 11:06 < gradstudentbot> A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security, while you're actually being screwed. 11:06 < chris_99> has it sudently become self-aware kanzure 11:06 < eudoxia> IT'S HAPPENING 11:06 < chris_99> run for the hills! 11:07 < gradstudentbot> I can feel it. I can feel ... something. 11:07 < kanzure> ugh i hate when this fucking happens 11:08 < fenn> god every other day some irc bot is up and doing a hard takeoff 11:08 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-164-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:08 < kanzure> govt wouldn't wear a condom 11:09 < kanzure> also how is that a grad student thing to say 11:09 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-164-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 < gradstudentbot> Should this be on ice? 11:09 < eudoxia> and i'm guessing kanzure didn't run graddy inside vagrant 11:11 < justanotheruser> Interesting how closely gradstudentbots politics align with kanzures 11:11 < gradstudentbot> Where's my pellets? 11:11 < kanzure> really? what's my political stance 11:11 < kanzure> my politics is more pipettes and less tainted cell cultures 11:12 < kanzure> and graduate degrees for everyone 11:12 < gradstudentbot> Don't even ask how my research is going. 11:13 < kanzure> is his sensitivity increased? what did you change. 11:14 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 -!- sheena [~home@67.201.165.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16 < fenn> i think people are just paying attention to bots because it's international irc bot day 11:16 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@93.152.189.64] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140421221237]] 11:21 < kanzure> i thought you didn't like it anyway? 11:22 < fenn> me? i like when bots contribute to the discussion, but it's easy to get carried away 11:23 < kanzure> like, say, one that speaks randomly without invocation 11:29 < justanotheruser> Graduate 11:29 < justanotheruser> I guess that's not a keyword 11:37 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 * fenn pokes gradstudentbot 11:40 < gradstudentbot> Well, it looks better if you see it through a UV scope. 11:41 < fenn> that doesn't even make sense 11:42 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-12.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 < kanzure> how does it not make sense? 11:43 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:45 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.36] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:46 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-164-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:51 < fenn> "Diffbot sees web pages the same way humans do. Its advanced computer vision identifies only the important parts." 11:52 < chris_99> nmz787, be thee about? 11:52 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-12.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52 < kanzure> http://www.igvita.com/2014/05/05/minimum-viable-block-chain/ 11:54 < fenn> "The Product API can be used for extracting clean, structured data from any e-commerce product page. It automatically makes available all the product data you'd expect: price, discount/savings amount, shipping cost, product description, any relevant product images, SKU and/or other product IDs." 11:54 < fenn> this sounds like an ontological assimilator 11:56 < fenn> digital notaries have been around since forever 11:56 < kanzure> i am not claiming digital notaries are new 11:57 < fenn> i was following the "identity spectrum" cartoon up until "verified" - what makes it verified? 11:57 < kanzure> he is pandering to his audience, a bunch of people still believe in identity 11:58 < fenn> muhahaha, it's actually just my sock puppet army 11:59 < gradstudentbot> Identity, Identity, We Want Identity! 12:02 < fenn> i still dont understand why a block chain is important for verifying votes 12:02 < kanzure> it's not, the audience of this sort of document is also unware of other types of voting schemes 12:03 < kanzure> i've had a huge number of people approach me and ask about modifying the bitcoin source code to run conventional centralized software that would usually (and should) be written to use a database 12:03 < fenn> the way i see it, voting is a poor substitue for a randomized statistical sample 12:03 < kanzure> it's extremely annoying 12:04 < fenn> "store data in the cloud" sort of thinking? or something else? 12:05 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05 < fenn> i mean freenet is a thing, but ... 12:05 < kanzure> nope not even that.. just "well bitcoin sounds revolutionary, therefore why not use bitcoin to do x?" 12:05 < kanzure> "fuck you and die" 12:06 < fenn> some people don't know the difference between "disruptive technology" and "buzzword compliant" 12:07 < fenn> hence all the atomic pizza ovens of the 1950's 12:07 < kanzure> we had atomic pizza ovens? 12:07 < fenn> baking with gamma rays imparts an unpleasant radioactive flavor 12:08 < fenn> i couldn't think of any actual misconceptions 12:09 < kanzure> if you cook a pizza on a submarine, is it an atomic pizza? 12:09 -!- pyotra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 < fenn> a pizza is by definition not atomic, unless it's a pizza bite 12:13 < fenn> i was wrong. a random sample is a poor excuse for a complete vote. but voting is almost never complete 12:14 < fenn> also there's a huge bias in the way the vote options are chosen to be presented 12:14 < fenn> VOTE: loser A, loser B 12:15 < fenn> what if i don't want to vote for A or B? too bad. 12:15 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-cjstjuzsfoittpxz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:15 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.61.230] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:17 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:18 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-cjstjuzsfoittpxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:20 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=63304ccd DavidCary: move link from [[declaration]] 12:23 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=20c73ba6 DavidCary: move nootropics link to [[nootropics]] 12:23 -!- ephialtes480 [~Ephialtes@80-42-6-220.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:33 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=204a939b DavidCary: move self-replicating machines from [[projects/proposals]] 12:33 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=300a3323 DavidCary: move self-replicating machines to [[self-replicating machines]] 12:34 < kanzure> hrm 12:40 <@heath> "If it's crap data, we'll make it a shiny turd." ...data science! 12:40 < fenn> i thought we changed the commit irc message to say the name of the file that was changed 12:41 < fenn> self-replicating_machines.mdwn or whatever 12:42 <@heath> the quote was a real one :( 12:42 <@heath> hi fenn 12:42 <@heath> long time 12:42 < fenn> hello 12:42 < kanzure> time is just a symptom 12:42 <@heath> still in the bay area, yeah? 12:42 < fenn> i am in DC 12:42 < fenn> hopefully not for too much longer 12:43 < kanzure> huh? 12:43 <@heath> quite a lot more going on in DC than nashville according to the number of meetup groups 12:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=82742fe5 DavidCary: technical question about ikiwiki formatting 12:45 < fenn> ikiwiki has talk pages? or did he just invent that 12:45 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:46 < kanzure> nope, i imported openwetware diybio content into the wiki a while ago 12:46 < kanzure> jrayhawk: can you install the mediawiki plugin thing? or point me to it 12:46 < fenn> it looks like markdown to me 12:47 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=eb494485 Bryan Bishop: openwetware content import explanation 12:47 < kanzure> oh, it is rendering poorly 12:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/talk:diybio/faq/ 12:47 < kanzure> as opposed to this stuff: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/ 12:48 < kanzure> oh i see. mediawiki plugin would be required. 12:48 < kanzure> i hate marku. 12:48 < kanzure> marup. 12:48 < kanzure> markup. 12:49 < gradstudentbot> You used the wrong formula. 12:49 < fenn> it looks like the same kind of markup to me 12:49 < kanzure> ==== is not markdown 12:49 < fenn> * foo is 12:49 < kanzure> yes but the file extension is .mediawiki 12:49 < fenn> well there you go 12:50 < fenn> does (for i in *.mediawiki ; do mv $i ${i%mediawiki}mdwn ; done) work? 12:51 < fenn> for i in `find . -name '*mediawiki'` 12:51 < fenn> something like that 12:51 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e7207ae8 Bryan Bishop: move faq.mediawiki -> faq.mdwn 12:52 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/talk:diybio/faq/ 12:52 < kanzure> pretty awful 12:52 < kanzure> all of this is awful 12:53 < fenn> talk:diybio/faq/equipment.mediawiki 12:53 < kanzure> what about it 12:53 < kanzure> it too will look awful 12:53 < fenn> it's the only other mediawiki file 12:54 < fenn> oh there's nothing there anyway 12:54 < fenn> PROPOSE: delete talk:diybio/faq/equipment.mediawiki 12:54 < fenn> all in favor say nay 12:54 < kanzure> do it yourself 12:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55 < gradstudentbot> Sigh, my invasive fruit flies won’t have sex for me. 12:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 < fenn> i am in git-diyhpluswiki but `git push /srv/ikiwiki/diyhpluswiki/ master` sez 'remote: error: insufficient permission for adding an object to repository database ./objects' 13:00 < kanzure> push to /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git 13:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=46e5e9f4 fenn: test edit via shell 13:02 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03 < fenn> maybe i was thinking asciidoc? 13:04 < fenn> # for header is kinda lame 13:04 < fenn> so all your commented stuff turns into huge glaring title sized font comments? 13:07 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=387f8a37 fenn: test format fix 13:07 -!- Darius [~quassel@c-24-5-103-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.61.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:13 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4aca7ea1 fenn: playing around with markdown 13:19 < fenn> i format a lot of personal note files as yaml, does it even make sense to try to render that as if it meant something? 13:22 < fenn> aww [[!toc ]] doesn't do sub-headings 13:22 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f7184b52 fenn: show all the datas 13:24 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.36] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:25 < kanzure> yeah i'm not happy with the formatter stuff 13:33 < andytoshi> paperbot: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/2570807_A_Signature_Scheme_as_Secure_as_the_Diffie-Hellman_Problem 13:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f69c486ba7c495853aa973115fb2b614.txt 13:36 < kanzure> what's the scope of the wiki supposed t obe anyway 13:36 < kanzure> *to be 13:45 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=df5ca4d test format and gnusha irc hook>talk:diybio/faq.mdwn> 13:45 < fenn> hm. 13:46 < fenn> i am also just interested in making ikiwiki work and learning what it is capable of 13:46 < fenn> i have a lot of disorganized crap floating around that i should probably publish in some systematic way 13:48 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48 < fenn> oh duh, foo:\n bar was asciidoc, not markdown 13:48 < fenn> how do i s/\n/stuff/ without using tr 13:48 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 13:48 < kanzure> gnusha and diyhplus are both terrible names 13:49 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 < fenn> not as bad as serial killer database 13:49 < kanzure> why is half the content on gnusha.org and the other half on the other one 13:49 < kanzure> post receive hook is in /srv/git/ somewhere 13:49 < kanzure> for the irc thing 13:49 < fenn> i am messing with it currently 13:50 < kanzure> yyou can bug pasky for the list of git environment variables 13:50 < fenn> it's /usr/local/bin/gnusha-post-receive 13:50 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh 13:51 < gradstudentbot> Well, the IRB rejected that, so I'm going to rewrite it and try again. 13:51 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:52 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:01 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-wevlkdflgwtvooco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:07 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-wevlkdflgwtvooco] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:07 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-qqxqlxuyvttzdgxh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:15 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c718e43 :%s/^\* \(.*\) (\(.*\))/* **\1** - \2/ using markdown is so simple! >> talk:diybio/faq.mdwn 14:25 < kanzure> fenn: echo "set list" >> ~/.vimrc 14:25 < kanzure> and maybe echo "set listchars=trail:-" >> ~/.vimrc while you're at it 14:25 < kanzure> this visually indicates to you when you have trailing whitespace 14:27 < fenn> oh i saw that in the git diff but i didn't know what it was 14:27 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=52ba54d these aren't just genetic modifications >> genetic-modifications.csv >> human-modifications.csv 14:27 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:28 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 < kanzure> actually, this csv file is mostly crap 14:31 < kanzure> 12/18/2012,12/18/2012,PERFORMANCE,Strength related,GENE,ACTN3,Anaerobic gene doping,,, 14:31 < kanzure> 12/18/2012,12/18/2012,PERFORMANCE,Strength related,GENE,ACE I,Anaerobic gene doping,,, 14:31 < kanzure> this is not how things work 14:33 < fenn> ikiwiki should have a broken link flag 14:33 < kanzure> 12/18/2012,12/18/2012,NOVEL FUNCTION,Orgasmatron,IMPLANT,Spine,Completely subdermal spinal implant allowing orgasms on demand + WIRELESS,,Director_X, 14:33 < kanzure> that is the stupidest thing ever, you have way easier access to the non-spinal nerves that produce orgasm 14:34 < fenn> that actually exists btw 14:34 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34 < kanzure> doing anything with the spine is way more potentially dangerous. there are lots of other nerves that are equally effective, without doing anything spine related. 14:35 < kanzure> various pelvic nerves 14:35 < kanzure> pudendal nerve 14:35 < kanzure> hypogastric nerve (maybe) 14:35 < fenn> Orgasm Inc. (a documentary about pharmaceuticals like "female viagra") goes into this in extensive detail 14:36 < kanzure> did they justify spinal stuff? 14:36 < fenn> no, they cast it in the light of "dangerous treatment of dubious medical value, and inherent ethical problems" 14:36 < kanzure> ethical problems? 14:37 < fenn> like, "why do you want an orgasm so bad you're willing to get surgery" 14:37 < fenn> trying to please husband or whatever 14:37 < kanzure> ah okay, yeah i'm sure there's lots of fucked up relationships 14:37 < fenn> basically the problem is guys are uneducated about sex 14:38 < fenn> well, girls too 14:38 -!- entelechios [~elysium@181.194.131.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:39 < kanzure> their lack of education shouldn't prevent my ability to do x through z without citing some ethical oath 14:39 < fenn> it's amusing that a "tasp" is classified as a weapon 14:39 < kanzure> ughh 14:39 < kanzure> 2/4/2013 13:42:56,,NOVEL FUNCTION,Wings,?,wings,Wings,,MB, 14:40 < kanzure> the problem with this list is that there might be one or two items in here that are missing on genetic-modifications.mdwn 14:40 < fenn> NOVEL FUNCTION,KETER,grants immortality and control of fabric of spacetime,keter,ND 14:40 < kanzure> but otherwise it's deleteworthy 14:41 < fenn> oh it does have a broken link function, neat 14:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:43 < fenn> well, go through and delete each one on genetic-modifications.mdwn; if what's left is unimpressive then delete 14:43 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43 < fenn> s/on/from/ 14:43 < fenn> words 14:43 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 < kanzure> a lot of this is surprisingly medical 14:43 < kanzure> who the hell cares about "wings"? flying swarms of robots and uavs are way more useful to control. 14:44 < fenn> also it wouldn't work on earth 14:44 < FourFire> fenn well some people think a wirehead is basically dead 14:44 < kanzure> and i'm not sure "generic medical changes" are explicitly transhumanist 14:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:44 < fenn> FourFire: are there actually any wireheads? 14:44 < FourFire> thus causing someone to be wireheaded, is sorta like killing them, if you don't stop 14:45 < FourFire> and Orgasmning someone on demand will incapitate them 14:45 < kanzure> fenn: well, the people with wires going into their brains probably count, like the deep brain stimulation folks 14:45 < FourFire> putting them under your control 14:45 < kanzure> an orgasm doesn't put someone under your control 14:45 < fenn> i mean david pierce's whole philosophe rests on the idea that great > good is the same as good > bad 14:45 < gradstudentbot> Paper submitted. 14:45 < FourFire> you're essentially overloading their nervous systems, maybe without permanently damaging it, but overloading all the same 14:46 < fenn> it's more the conditioning and subversion of existing control structures 14:46 < kanzure> i haven't actually seen any reported deaths from deep brain stimulation users just wireheading 14:46 < FourFire> fenn, I don't think so, but heroin abusers come close 14:46 < fenn> but heroin has other side effects, like CNS depression and slowed heartbeat etc 14:46 < kanzure> did you know it's possible to take heroin without abuse 14:46 < kanzure> same with meth 14:47 < FourFire> kanzure, sure, but i don't trust myself to have the discipline to be able to do that 14:47 < fenn> yeah it's called "prescription painkillers" or "prescription stimulant medication" 14:47 < kanzure> avoiding molecular addiction isn't exactly just about discipline 14:48 < fenn> i'm wondering if a wireheader will do nothing or just continue to live their life, but happier 14:48 < FourFire> kanzure, ok saying that having the power to induce orgasm on someone puts them under your control is a bit much, but you can certainly impair them significantly 14:48 < fenn> FourFire: "wireheading" doesn't mean inducing an orgasm 14:48 < kanzure> fenn, the previaling political discourse is that they will do nothing except press the button and die, but it's worth being skeptical of that argument 14:48 < FourFire> kanzure, well there's some genetics involved too I think, but that's an unknown 14:48 < kanzure> *prevailing 14:49 < fenn> i'm extremely skeptical of assertions based on nothing 14:49 < FourFire> wireheading is to permanently induce orgasm 14:49 < kanzure> it's not just "genetics vs discipline" -_- 14:49 < fenn> FourFire: no, you're wrong. it's not "orgasm" it's "pleasure" 14:49 < FourFire> well that's what I've been lead to believe it means 14:49 < kanzure> wireheading is often about all sorts of pleasure, not specifically orgasm (which has a lot of physiological by products other than brain stuff) 14:49 < kanzure> *byproducts 14:49 < FourFire> permanent pleasure, possibly in waves 14:49 < kanzure> this conversation is fucked up 14:49 < kanzure> who are you 14:50 < FourFire> yeah, right sorry 14:51 < FourFire> assume I've now updated my definition of TASP, and Wireheading 14:51 < kanzure> what is TASP? 14:51 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-qqxqlxuyvttzdgxh] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:52 < fenn> it may be best to just read "known space" 14:52 < FourFire> it's like a device which can temporarily cause the effects of wireheading 14:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:52 < FourFire> or you can just constantly TASP someone == wireheaded someone 14:52 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=cbcc2c4 ignore vim swap files >> .gitignore 14:52 < fenn> tasp = wireless wirehading, if that makes any sense 14:53 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=32f1f16 remove empty lines from csv file >> human-modifications.csv 14:53 < FourFire> fenn I think that TASP could be used as a weapon, in that it can reduce the function of surprised recipients 14:53 < fenn> now isn't that better with filenames after the commit message? 14:54 < kanzure> meh, i would prefer a link to the actual page that was edited 14:54 < kanzure> and then the link to the commit 14:54 < fenn> oh i forgot the username 14:54 < kanzure> put the hook in the wiki repo 14:54 < kanzure> and then symlink to that 14:55 < kanzure> there may be git reasons that the symlink plan is a bad idea, which i'm sure jrayhawk or pasky will point out *cough* 14:56 < fenn> meh 14:56 < dingo> gotta git git 14:56 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=de4a4ae make the irc channel age year-agnostic >> hplusroadmap.mdwn 14:58 < kanzure> this landing page is hilarious: 14:58 < kanzure> http://musclegenes.com/ 14:59 < kanzure> this image in particular: 14:59 < kanzure> http://musclegenes.com/wp-content/themes/musclegenes/img/backed-by-science.jpg 14:59 < kanzure> oh damn, the text is an overlay 14:59 < jrayhawk> symlinking into a git repo seems fine, though i would kinda suggest doing object signing and verification of some sort instead 14:59 < kanzure> well it's supposed to say "BACKED BY SCIENCE" in front of him 14:59 < kanzure> oh yeah, because it's a script executed by someone 15:01 < kanzure> hah they raised money http://musclegenes.com/2014/04/musclegenes_investment/ 15:01 < jrayhawk> for i in "$@"; do openssl smime -sign -inkey ~/private/ahl-deploy.key -signer ~/private/ahl-deploy.crt -binary -outform pem < $i > $i.sig; done and https://secure.piny.be/cgit/ahl/tree/bin/example/ahl-signed-exec.sh is an example of how to do it with SMIME 15:02 < gradstudentbot> Where's my pellets? 15:02 < jrayhawk> PGP would be another option, though that would involve attempting to use gnupg 15:02 -!- Darius [~quassel@c-24-5-103-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03 < fenn> .pellet 15:03 < kanzure> < gradstudentbot> You pellet the sample. No luck. 15:03 < gradstudentbot> Well, the IRB rejected that, so I'm going to rewrite it and try again. 15:05 < kanzure> i don't understand how knowing which variant of muscle-related genes you have would help you exercise more sanely 15:05 < kanzure> theoretically you might have a fucked up metabolism where you should dose yourself with food at a different time rather than whatever you have been doing 15:05 < kanzure> but i don't know of any evidence of stuff like that existing 15:06 < fenn> .vortex 15:07 < kanzure> You vortex the sample. Unfortunately, your sample is now destroyed because the undergrad knocked over the equipment. 15:07 < kanzure> defeatist interactive molecular biology fiction 15:07 < fenn> choose your own protocol 15:07 < kanzure> hint, they all lead to pain and suffering 15:08 < gradstudentbot> Sorry, I can't really talk right now because I'm burried in grant writing. 15:08 < kanzure> even though they might work, i think bunches of them should be thrown out 15:12 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b602c8ee fenn: remove trailing whitespace >> talk:diybio/faq.mdwn 15:12 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6c186d2b fenn: Merge branch 'master' of /srv/git/diyhpluswiki >> 15:12 < kanzure> https://github.com/eliben/pycparser "Complete C99 parser in pure Python" 15:12 < fenn> i was just thinking "are there commits with no modified files?" and there it is 15:13 < fenn> anyway, there's your precious username 15:13 < kanzure> pft, i didn't ask for username, you did 15:13 < fenn> i was talking to fenn 15:16 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 < kanzure> fenn: so you don't want to be in DC? 15:37 < fenn> i have no reason to be here 15:40 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh 15:43 < fenn> what the hell, i've never heard of this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Centurions 15:43 < fenn> "In the near future Doc Terror, and his cyborg companion, Hacker, unleash their forces to conquer Earth! Only one force can stop this evil: a handful of brave men. In specially created Exo-Frames, they can be transported anywhere to fuse with incredible assault weapon systems, beamed down from the space station Skyvault, becoming man and machine, Power Xtreme!" 15:43 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.61.230] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-177-134.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 < fenn> "the lead character Crystal Kane is accused of "Zone Dancing" (The series term for computer hacking) and seen using a "droud" to interface her brain with computer networks in what is probably the first animated representation of Cyberspace and Virtual Reality. The story written by Michael Reaves weaves a future noir tale of cyberpunk espionage, cloning and private-eye procedural" 15:54 < fenn> https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7163806/Centurions_-_Cartoon_Series 15:56 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-177-134.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-177-134.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 < kanzure> is this spam? http://medicaldevicesreports.wordpress.com/ 16:16 < kanzure> since the links don't lead to real content (just spam), i think this is spam 16:16 -!- Baube [~Baube@65.93.14.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 < kanzure> ok yes this is just seo bullshit 16:19 < kanzure> sigh 16:22 < kanzure> they are trying to sell 92 pages of content for $10k? 16:22 < kanzure> haha 16:25 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-60-231-177-134.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 < juri_> fenn: um, wth? 16:51 < juri_> i hope we don't lose you here. DC has too few real hackers at the moment. 16:55 < juri_> with a couple million people in the DC metro area, its sad that i've ran into so few 'real hackers' that i can count them on my fingers. i'd hate to hear you left. 16:57 < fenn> heh now you know why i don't want to be here 16:59 < juri_> why don't you try meeting the other real hackers? there's so few, i could arrange it. ;P 17:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 < juri_> i've been here for two years. unemployed. 17:00 < fenn> god, why? 17:00 < kanzure> she doesn't work on anything that pays money because it's immoral to not be doing gnu things 17:01 < fenn> at least live somewhere with a beach 17:01 < kanzure> *to be doing paid non-gnu things 17:01 * juri_ sticks her tongue out at kanzure. 17:01 < juri_> welp, at least i'm known. thats the first part of being known and respected, right? 17:01 * juri_ looks around hopefully. 17:02 < kanzure> if you do things right, nobody will know you were there at all 17:02 < kanzure> etc 17:02 < fenn> "the network's running fine, what are we paying you for" 17:04 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 < juri_> indeed. 17:05 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:06 < kanzure> and conversely, "the network isn't working, what are we paying you people for" 17:11 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh 17:17 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:18 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-83-120-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:20 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:24 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-50-17-112-132.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:26 -!- Baube [~Baube@65.93.14.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:32 < jrayhawk> kanzure: the fact that the mediawiki plugin at last update features a bug report from you basically calling it obsolete in 2012 is not very encouraging, but i can try installing it anyway if you want 17:33 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33 < kanzure> o__o 17:33 < kanzure> well, i'll go ahead and trust myself 17:33 < kanzure> no point in ignoring my own advice 17:35 < jrayhawk> "so far the output is not very appealing" 17:35 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:37 -!- nsh__ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39 < kanzure> "Ubeam emits Ultrasound frequency waves from a base station. These sound waves are converted into mechanical energy by a crystal inside a flash-drive sized dongle attached to the device. The crystal resonates at that sound frequency and the mechanical energy of the vibration is then converted into electricity by the dongle." 17:39 < kanzure> whatever happened to ubeam anyway 17:39 < kanzure> http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/ubeam they raised $2.1M? 17:40 < kanzure> ouch, that's not much of a round 17:40 < kanzure> might as well have been a down round 17:41 < kanzure> neat " For example, ultrasound is already used to wirelessly charge pacemakers http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/11/wireless-pacemakers " 17:42 -!- nsh__ is now known as nsh 17:45 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: sleep] 17:53 < kanzure> "Transrectal transducer with simultaneous biplane imaging" 17:53 < kanzure> transrectal dawg 17:55 <@heath> 2.1 isn't terible 17:55 <@heath> terrible 17:55 <@heath> unless maybe you are in sf 17:56 < kanzure> neat, a commercial tumor ablation system http://www.haifumedical.com/Products/Model-JC200/ 17:58 < kanzure> and here's one where the body goes through the machine (but they don't mention full-body imaging) http://www.haifumedical.com/Products/Model-JC/ 17:58 < kanzure> "Approvals: Europe: CE,China: CFDA, Korea: KFDA, Russian Federation approval" 18:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 <@heath> http://www.osvehicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/cua-01okok-495x400.jpg 18:06 <@heath> i want that cad model 18:07 <@heath> g/that cad model/the cad model for this drawing/ 18:09 < kanzure> hehe someone demanding bitcoins for an openssh vulnerability http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3 18:09 < kanzure> (which is most likely bullshit) 18:10 < kanzure> "Well duh, ... of course if someone sent 20 BTC there you can bet they'd be flooded with emails of the form "my txid is {txid}, send it over to me". This is one of multiple reasons why the Bitcoin system wasn't designed for people to reuse addresses." 18:10 < kanzure> hehehe 18:12 < kanzure> https://zmap.io/ / https://github.com/zmap/zmap "It's pretty crazy to think about, but a portscan of the IPv4 space isn't that hard to do in practice: On a typical desktop computer with a gigabit Ethernet connection, ZMap is capable scanning the entire public IPv4 address space in under 45 minutes. The research paper says that it's on a particular port, from page 3: "The architecture allows sending and receiving components to run ... 18:13 < kanzure> ... asynchronously and enables a single source machine to comprehensively scan every host in the public IPv4 address space for a particular open TCP port in under 45 mins using a 1 Gbps Ethernet link."" 18:13 < gradstudentbot> Can I get some more media? 18:15 < kanzure> no you have to use what you already have 18:17 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:18 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:20 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 < gradstudentbot> need... data... 18:22 < kanzure> use the data you already have 18:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29 < fenn> i hadn't thought of that.. black hats using honeypots to learn about zero days from other black hats 18:32 < kanzure> the superweapon zerodays are not going to be spent on random targets 18:35 < fenn> what's the last line mean? ". 1\-5\61\-J\48/a \~£\3|2\D6\ %%!%})." 18:39 < kanzure> given the stupidity about bitcoins in this, i suspect this is not legit 18:39 < fenn> it also seems like a very small amount of money 18:40 < fenn> i mean too small 18:47 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 < fenn> http://www.reddit.com/user/vjn http://vjn.livejournal.com/profile https://twitter.com/VJ_net_ua https://www.facebook.com/VJaroslaw?_fb_noscript=1 possibly unrelated but he links to an article about "little-known division of the Treasury created by Congress after the Sept. 11 attacks, is now engaged not only terrorists and illegal hunting for offshore cash flows. It uses the latest in financial 18:50 < fenn> weapons for attacks on carefully selected targets, with links to hostile governments" 18:51 < kanzure> why isn't there an aws for manufacturing, where i can rent a flex cell and just point laser beams at shit 18:51 < fenn> is called mfg.com? 18:51 < kanzure> you have to call people 18:51 < kanzure> and then you have to tell them things, instead of just pointing your api client at the machines 18:51 < kanzure> it's all very stupid 18:54 < fenn> what happens when the user breaks your machine with the API calls 18:56 < kanzure> dunno, but first of all there's some at least minimum level of constant amount of damage just by using 18:56 < kanzure> i mean, for certain tools, maybe not all tools 18:56 < fenn> it's not a constant 18:56 < kanzure> so at minimum there would have to be regular maintenance 18:56 < kanzure> the constant is the minimum 18:56 < fenn> diamond coated inserts can last for essentially forever, in certain situations 18:56 < fenn> julian had a bit to say about this 18:57 < kanzure> there may be other methods of breaking things other than just the inserts 18:57 < fenn> more ways than you can think of 18:57 < kanzure> and even if it wasn't a flex cell, someone would have to be maintaining it anyway 18:57 < fenn> heh i'd like to see fuzz testing of a machining center 18:57 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:57 < fenn> kerblammo 18:58 < fenn> there's a difference between normal wear and tear, and catastrophic failure 18:59 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh 18:59 < kanzure> well, they're paying you, so you can just factor that in 19:02 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-79-151.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:03 < JayDugger> Good morning. 19:03 < kanzure> fenn had evernote questions for you 19:03 < fenn> does it actually work on handwriting recognition? 19:03 < fenn> or is it fake OCR "good enough for searching" but not really 19:05 < JayDugger> The latter. 19:06 < kanzure> i wonder if livescribe could do better hand writing recognition if it uses accelerometer/gyro data 19:06 < kanzure> even the palm pilot needed its own funky grammar because it couldn't tell how you were drawing things 19:06 < kanzure> s/grammar/symbols 19:06 < kanzure> good thing i don't care 19:06 < fenn> i don't think there has been as much research into vector character recognition, especially for latin characters 19:06 < JayDugger> I occasionally take handwritten notes. Those, if archived, go to Evernote. I have legible printing. 19:07 < JayDugger> Evernote's OCR tends to err with incorrect rotation, and with false positives for recognition. 19:08 < JayDugger> If you want to search something, handwritten, you'll get better results with tagging it in the program. 19:08 < fenn> that sort of defeats the purpose 19:09 < JayDugger> As for cursive? especially my mother's atrocious scrawl on yellow post-it notes, forget it. 19:09 < JayDugger> It does okay with "born-digital" documents, and serves just fine as an Archive. 19:10 < JayDugger> It works well when searching for reference designators across circuit diagrams or illustrated part breakdowns. 19:10 < fenn> do you think it could reliably translate something like this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/sachac/14022300544/ 19:10 < JayDugger> Unseen, that's probably a question for sacha chua, who usually hangs out in #emacs and #org-mode. 19:11 < JayDugger> Seen, ehh...maybe? Probably wouldn't get transform or capture from the image at the lower left. 19:11 < fenn> she also says " even though no one expects transcripts for podcasts and even though I can transcribe my own posts, I pay other people to transcribe them for me." which leads me to believe evernote is not reliable enough 19:11 < fenn> i guess that's audio tho 19:12 < fenn> i have a fair amount of low-entropy handwritten data that needs asciifying 19:12 < JayDugger> Yeah. There formerly existed castingwords, which did exactly that. 19:13 < kanzure> fenn: might be easiest to pay some kid $10 to do it 19:13 < fenn> kanzure: problem is humans make weird mistakes that are hard to discover 19:13 < JayDugger> Yeah, but the problem with that is finding a kid smart enough to do it who's dumb enough not to notice it sucks. 19:13 < fenn> kanzure: computers make weird mistakes that make you go "what the heck" immediately 19:14 < JayDugger> Shoeboxed.com does an okay job of scanning hard copy to Evernote. 19:14 < fenn> oh, receipts 19:14 < JayDugger> The price is right, but I think I got in a free plan as an Evernote comp. 19:15 < fenn> yeah i don't actually care about evernote 19:15 < JayDugger> Shoeboxed does non-receipts too: bills, greeting cards (get one for your mother), legal documents, etc. 19:16 < kanzure> there is also onereceipt 19:17 < JayDugger> Good point. 19:18 < kanzure> what are the chances that he knew sacha chua, that doesn't make sense 19:19 < kanzure> i forget that we are all slight replicas of each other with very minor differences 19:20 < fenn> meep moop 19:20 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20 < fenn> JayDugger: are you an emacs user? 19:20 < fenn> stupid freenode and their ghost policy 19:21 < fenn> er, invisibility 19:21 < fenn> "This prevents you from appearing in global WHO/WHOIS by normal users, and hides which channels you are on. It is enabled by default." 19:22 < fenn> so not only do i not learn about people, i also don't learn about channels 19:23 < nsh_> i've complained about it before to no avail 19:23 < fenn> what's the rationale behind that decision? 19:24 < pyotra> fenn this is a freenode issue. I can never see where people are cochanneling 19:25 < nsh_> the rationale is that +i protects people and the set of people who actually want to be able to shared their joined channel information is small enough to ignore 19:25 < JayDugger> Yes, for my sins, I use emacs. 19:25 < gradstudentbot> Who's in charge of the master mix? 19:26 < JayDugger> I learned enough vi (not vim) because it work (a Solaris shop) required it. 19:26 < fenn> i'd guess 90% of users don't care one way or another, 5% wants to hide their channel list, and 5% wants to know what channels others are on 19:27 < fenn> i doubt anybody tries to share the list of channels they're joined on 19:27 < JayDugger> Then I looked at outlining software for a while, from freemind to freeplane, ran into problems with Java under xmonad, came down to Leo or org-mode, and decided I'd look at org-mode for a year, then switch to Leo. 19:27 < JayDugger> That was two-three years ago. :) 19:27 < fenn> so you use leo? 19:28 < fenn> There are 899 users and 52716 invisible 19:28 < fenn> so at least 900 have set -i 19:28 < JayDugger> Not yet. It slipped on the list of things to learn. It seems to have Python as a prerequisite, and the core developer occasionally veers off into climate change disasterism. 19:29 < JayDugger> More honestly, I haven't learned enough emacs to switch over to Leo. 19:30 < fenn> ah. it seems org-mode is a pretty stable attractor (or end-state) 19:31 < JayDugger> To paraphrase Bruce Sterling, "it beats drugs for turning basically smart people into human wreckage." 19:32 < JayDugger> You know, those weirdos who have a wireless connection, need a shower, and understand all those silly parentheses. 19:33 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:33 < fenn> There were derelicts around who could fit all their material possessions in a paper bag, but they’d have a cheap laptop and some big chunk of the [completely digitized and accessible Library of Congress] and they’d crouch under a culvert with it, and peck around on it and fly around in it and read stuff and annotate it and hypertext it, and then they’d come up with some pathetic, shattered, 19:33 < fenn> crank, loony, paranoid theory as to what the hell had happened to them and their planet 19:33 < fenn> wikpedia, scourge of the future 19:34 < fenn> i've never read anything by bruce sterling and don't particularly want to 19:34 < JayDugger> That's it. 19:35 < fenn> was the crank loony paranoid theory that people started using "apps" and forgot how to do anything productive? 19:36 < JayDugger> I'd call "Holy Fire" the last novel of merit he wrote, but he had at least one good short story after that. 19:36 < JayDugger> No, the quote's from his novel "Heavy Weather," which I think came out before 2000. 19:36 < JayDugger> Fits the model, though. 19:38 < fenn> i guess editing wikipedia isn't as sexy as piloting a robot vulture around 19:39 < fenn> (as i read the wikipedia plot summary on my cheap laptop) 19:43 < fenn> ug so many things to read and then the day's over 19:44 < catern> fenn: my n=1, I switched to emacs because I wanted to use org-mode, but I haven't found it to be that much more useful, and the complexity is annoying. it was prohibitively painful for me to set up a few interesting things 19:45 < fenn> more useful than what 19:46 < catern> vim-wiki 19:46 < catern> + todo.txt 19:47 < gradstudentbot> When is he back from sabbatical? 19:48 < fenn> is "todo.txt" a program or a cliche? 19:48 < catern> (I kind of prefer the hypertext way of organizing my notes (i.e. what vim-wiki is) over the outlining focused attitude of org-mode) 19:49 < JayDugger> Org will let you do that, but it takes hoop-jumping. 19:49 < catern> fenn: it's a format used by a shell script called todo.sh and several other things 19:49 < kanzure> "vim-wiki" why is it editor specific? 19:50 < catern> JayDugger: sure, but Ctrl-o/Ctrl-i (history which goes through files) in vim makes the hypertext thing a lot nicer and easier than it can ever be in emacs 19:50 < kanzure> fenn: stop reading 19:50 < fenn> ok fine, i didn't get to the video i meant to watch either 19:51 < JayDugger> $0.02 for the off-topic jar. 19:51 < JayDugger> catern: I'll take your word for it. 19:51 < fenn> i don't really ever want to click hyperlinks in my text editor 19:52 < fenn> or whatever you do with a keyboard 19:52 < fenn> probably the main reason i don't use elinks 19:52 < catern> well it's easy to move your cursor to the link with vim movement commands 19:53 < kanzure> what part of the wiki is vim-dependent? 19:53 < catern> no part of it 19:53 < catern> it's just a plugin 19:53 < kanzure> ugh 19:53 < kanzure> does it parse mediawiki content or something? 19:53 < catern> to support a certain format 19:53 < fenn> it's not even a wiki, it just uses wiki markup 19:53 < catern> yeah 19:53 < catern> what fenn said 19:54 < fenn> i think i'll stick to git and yaml and whatever text editor i happen to like at the moment 19:54 < fenn> i guess that means ikiwiki 19:54 < catern> good plan 19:55 < JayDugger> Well said. 19:55 < fenn> at least with hierarchical structures there's a canonical path 19:55 < fenn> sometimes it's hard to decide where to put an idea 19:56 < fenn> you can't put it both places because then it gets out of sync 19:56 < fenn> maybe this is when you make a new file specifically for that idea, and link to it 19:57 < fenn> the alternative is using a tagging system where each idea/node/file can have multiple paths 19:58 < fenn> that thought might have been out of order 19:58 < gradstudentbot> The protocol is wrong. 19:58 < catern> i think it might just be really hard to make a non-awful knowledgebase system 19:59 < catern> because none exist and it's in high demand 19:59 < fenn> we certainly haven't come a long way since 1968 19:59 < fenn> NLS is basically identical to org mode 19:59 < fenn> except NLS had videoconferencing :P 19:59 < JayDugger> NLS? 20:00 < fenn> .g mother of all demos 20:00 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos 20:00 < JayDugger> Thought so. 20:00 < JayDugger> .g org-mode bug tracker 20:00 < yoleaux> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-issues.html 20:00 < JayDugger> Feel free to add a feature request, fenn. :) 20:01 < JayDugger> We have some improvements since the days of the Dewey decimal system, the UDC, and the LCC. 20:02 < catern> i'm planning to build a knowledgebase notetaking whatever system on top of camlistore, which is a tagged indexed content storage thing 20:02 < JayDugger> Or Bacon, or Diderot and d'Alembert. 20:02 < fenn> yeah now we have OWL and Cyc :\ 20:02 < JayDugger> .g camlistore 20:02 < yoleaux> https://camlistore.org/ 20:02 < catern> (if it ever gets stable enough) 20:02 < fenn> where does camlistore actually put the data? 20:02 < JayDugger> How very interesting. Thank you, catern. 20:04 < catern> watch the talk it's pretty good 20:04 < catern> fenn: on disk in a format 20:05 < JayDugger> I added it to the youtube-dl queue for my 20:05 < JayDugger> commute's playlist. 20:05 < fenn> oh. i thought it was like, on freenet, or google drive, or something 20:06 < catern> it can be. it abstracts away storage as being done by a "blob storage server" which is just a few functions and can be a wrapper around whatever 20:07 < catern> which has* 20:09 < fenn> why should i use camlistore instead of git 20:12 < fenn> i mean you could write a git wrapper around flickr images 20:13 < fenn> (the images are binary blobs containing whatever kind of data) 20:13 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:14 < fenn> i guess it has a focus on partial caching 20:21 < kanzure> .wik vector clock 20:21 < yoleaux> "Vector clocks is an algorithm for generating a partial ordering of events in a distributed system and detecting causality violations. Just as in Lamport timestamps, interprocess messages contain the state of the sending process's logical clock." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_clock 20:29 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 < kanzure> is there a blog that only shows hockeystick graphs that are happening in the world? e.g. growth trends 20:34 < fenn> trending topics? 20:35 < fenn> or is that too fast of a timescale 20:35 < fenn> shoes: a growing trend 20:37 < kanzure> not topics 20:37 < kanzure> well, maybe. image macro uptake. but that's sort of boring. 20:37 < fenn> what is a trend 20:37 < kanzure> i'd rather see stuff like, "a graph of the proliferation of semiconductor fabs, hey look it's hockeystick-like" (narf) 20:38 < kanzure> are you thinking what i'm thinking? 20:38 < fenn> i'm thinking it's past my bedtime 20:43 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59 -!- QuantumG [~quantumg@14-202-36-49.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:59 -!- QuantumG [~quantumg@14-202-36-49.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 20:59 -!- QuantumG [~quantumg@unaffiliated/quantumg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- Adifex|zzz is now known as Adifex 21:02 < kanzure> QuantumG: hi 21:04 < QuantumG> hey 21:05 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvazbymrcgowufzs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 < kanzure> QuantumG: did you look into that latest internet explorer vulnerability? 21:05 < QuantumG> nah, that's IT's job 21:05 < kanzure> huh? then what's yours? 21:06 < QuantumG> decompilation 21:06 < kanzure> what's the difference 21:07 < QuantumG> I write code that does a crappy job at making binaries look like source code so security analysis can be done without customers having to hand over source code. 21:07 < kanzure> that's stupid 21:07 < QuantumG> it's a livin'. 21:07 < nsh_> luckily they accept stupid in shops 21:07 < kanzure> they are paying you to do security stuff, but then they don't give you all the assets 21:08 < kanzure> because.. they don't trust you? 21:08 < QuantumG> well, even if you had the source code, we argue, it works better this way. 21:09 < QuantumG> When we analyze php, for example, we get the source code and immediately "compile" it and throw away the source code. 21:09 < QuantumG> which, ya know, the customer should have done long ago most of the time anyway (it's php) 21:16 < juri_> so, bullshit sells. not news. 21:18 < kanzure> QuantumG: wouldn't it be better to do both? 21:18 < kanzure> .ety bolth 21:18 < yoleaux> Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. 21:21 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-66-47.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 < kanzure> eudoxia: bring me cool things 21:26 < eudoxia> cool things is a very broad category of things 21:26 < eudoxia> but ok 21:27 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 < QuantumG> kanzure: what, to write ya own compiler? Why bother? You're only going to have to make it conform with the actual compiler used, keep it up-to-date, etc, etc. 21:31 < QuantumG> source code == comments and formatting. Sometimes very nice to have, but not much good for automated analysis. 21:37 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.67.39] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:55 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-66-47.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:05 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@90.149.182.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06 -!- Adifex is now known as Adifex|pub 22:06 < kanzure> oh, you only do automated analysis? 22:06 -!- Adifex|pub [Adifex@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe6e:f4e8] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Just going out for a swim..."] 22:12 < QuantumG> that's what I'm involved with, yes. 22:18 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.36] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:25 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33 -!- nsh_ [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.36] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:54 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:57 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-24-20-19-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:09 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-qqpwfwelubvxbmeg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:11 -!- kardan [~kardan@199.254.238.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39 < kanzure> gene_hacker: sup 23:40 < gene_hacker> not much 23:42 -!- marciogm [~marciogm@179.126.67.39] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:52 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Tue May 06 00:00:52 2014